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- friggin mangakas
Honestly, I see how creating a long-running series takes a toll on a person, not to mention the corporate bullshit you'll eventually have to deal with.
But I like the format... sadly, the only one that delivers long-term is One Piece. The only other one that would come close is Hiatus X Hiatus
Dude, the atorybwent ahit most likwly due to shonen jump not wanting to part ways with one of its cash cows. They wanted to milk it dry, so they wanted more, and more,
... Masashi was just not that good of a writer to keep up with their stupidly high demand. Same happened to Bleach, only much earlier.
One Piece still strives mainly because Oda is just that amazing. Sure, the fact that the wntes to do a pirates based manga way back when he was a kid helps. But the man has been stated time and time again to be an absolute workaholic. He ould do research for new material, sleep at his studio, look back at the old issues for reference/keep tack of the plot (this more of a speculation on my part; there is this one image of his desk, showing that he keeps a set of the manga and would open them while drawing). Heck the guy almost pulled an Osamu Tezuka when he got hospitalized from overworking back in 2013, risking the orphaning of his series. Since then, he may occasionaly take a break from the manga for one week at a time.
Togashi's Hunter x Hunter is a bit more interesting, with the qustion of "why did they not milked that series" having a multi-facced answer. First, HxH's general narative elements and structure is anything but conventional, scoming of as if it was just a biography of a few Hunters and their journeys, who happen to be our protagonists. Coupled with it being a deconstuction - of the shonen genre, nonetheless! - makes it
for SJ to tell Togashi to just bullshit the rest of the plot.
Second, his long lasting health problems only make matters worse. The problema roots way back to his days of Yu Yu Hakusho, which only escalated to the point of him sometimes taking hiatuses a year or longer at a time. Asking him to overworks like most mangaka is outbof the question. Lastly, even if none of the previous were the case, it is very likely that Togashi would have still told SJ "Up yours" if he didn't felt like continuing on; he had done it with Yu Yu Hakusho
He wanted to stop it an arc earlier, but SJ pushed that idea away. When his work load, health issues, sleep, decline of satisfaction from life outside of manga, and decline of satiafaction from
reached unbearable, he ended the series.
On his own terms
The same factors aren't present for other popular shonen, hence the milking. I am currenlty reading/watching My hero Academia like a lot of FJers at the moment, and I hope that the quality of the narative will stay consiatent till the end.
Managakas are infamous for working themselves to death, writing, drawing, inking, everything, every day of the week, to meet a deadline. This is unlike he Western comics industry where the writing, coloring, drawing, inking, etc, is all don by different people.
And it doesn't help when the company you work for is constantly jumping down your throat for changes n shit. I think writers and artists should be paired up instead of the artists doing all the work. We'd see more quality and less dead mangaka, then.
Making a manga is also done in teams
Some manga's have these extra's where they talk about themselves and their team
Then those helpers sometimes create their own work
Like the assistant for the writer of Psyren made his own manga after it was done called Beelzebub
and this is why no one likes to work in japan
Well, that and the racism
really takes its toll
I hold a deep spot in my heart for the Hunter x Hunter fans.
I hate my life because I am one.
Why has anyone down voted this? It's pretty much the objective truth.
someone interpreting it as me talking shit about their favorite anime? idk, I used to follow and love all the big long-running shonen series but Naruto turned into a clusterfuck, "following" HxH today is what feels like reading a rushed chapter every 17 damn years and we best not talk about Bleach.
One Piece has it's issues but you can see that Oda still cares about this project so much. Hell, largely irrelevant extras (side characters without real impact on the story) in One Piece get more backstory and motivation than main characters in others...
I used to read all of the big three as well (HxH and other stuff as well), but it seems like Oda was the only one who could keep the insane pace of weekly serialization.
There's a shit ton on analysis vids on youtube, but they kinda boil down to the fact that the creator of bleach didn't think far ahead(story line) and mostly focused on art which took a big hit after years in serialization. He pretty much ended up hating the industry.
The author of Naruto were better at story telling, but as a reader it's obvious the art took a big hit, and so did the story telling.
I still read One Piece and never finished the other two.
Honestly, Naruto had a great setup at the start and did really well. But some shit just didn't make sense (e.g. everything Sasuke-related?). Also (ignoring Bleach since you pointed that out already), Naruto is probably the one series that rivals Dragonball with it's retarded power escalation. Arc after arc it became more and more ridiculous. In contrast, in OP we had Marineford which basically set the tone of "here's a basic power ceiling for you and by the way, our dear crew is far from ready". You could say that Naruto did that where most do it: at the end.
So yes, thinking ahead is what would solve many issues. I don't even think it's that big of a deal if the art takes a hit (even though it's obviously better if it doesn't), seeing as shitty drawn manga still manage to get a following if the story and characters are intriguing (HxH is a good example here because honestly, the drawing isn't really that amazing).
tbh I think the soul society arc in bleach was one of the best arcs I've ever read in a manga, but bleach turned to shit afterwards, and should have ended after Aizen got defeated.
One the point of art, I agree with you 100% one punch man is a great example of a manga/web comic creating a following based on story telling and humor.
Shounen seems to have a big problem with power scaling in most of their mangas.
I always felt like One piece did it well (maybe with the exception from the introduction of haki).
Agreed, Soul Society was amazing. It was where Bleach was still strong, you basically had a power ceiling available (i.e. Yamamoto), decent pacing, great fights (e.g. Ichigo vs. Kenpachi) and a damn motive. If they had ended it after this, Bleach would remain in people's memories as something good and complete (until someone decides to reboot it for no reason without any sense, like Code Geass).
The power scaling problem is quite natural and it does exist in OP to some extent, but where I disagree with many people is with the point you're making regarding haki. The concept already existed very early in the story, it just didn't have a name yet and was pretty obscure as well as not really used much. Examples include Shanks making a sea king run away or Garp's punches having impact on Luffy.
If haki was hinted at, I would call it very obscure.
I've always disliked how corcodile talked about how the strong didn't rely on their devil fruit power (but he did 100% as luffy just needed to get wet to counter him), and then we don't see the introduction of haki untill much later.
anyway I'm off to bed.
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