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Being able to rely on the free market requires competition
No ajit pai, satellite and dialup arent competition
, and that the ISPs arent using corrupt and shady tactics
Lawsuits and legal bribery
to stay at the top. Unfortunately neither of these are true.
Also, for those that say site packages is fear mongering would never happen, you dont have to look any further than Portugal. Not to mention similar has already happened.
-AT&T blocked Skype in 2011 because it was competition for it's Cell and home phone service.
-AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon blocked access to Google Wallet because it competed with their own payment apps; 2011
-TWC attempted to extort Riot Games and Netflix for money to upgrade their infrastructure, basically holding TWC users hostage; 2017
-MetroPCS blocked ALL streaming services. They tried to sue the FCC to let them; 2011.
-Verizon went on record in 2013 saying the only thing that kept them from favoring some content over others is the potential pro-net neutrality backlash.
Fuck you for reposting this propaganda picture dishonestly pretendings its relevant when you already know what it is.
Nigger i already admitted i was wrong later in the thread regarding that image, though its still a shitty thing to pull and im surprised its allowed under EU law.
The first and third parts still stand true, though the dates on the at&t part are off by two years as it happened in 2009
Go back to the piece of content you regurgitated your list from, the list taken straight from lickinggecko blue picture with the ethernet cable.
(Really thinking for yourself huh?)
Go back to your instructions and read the big comment near the top with lots of greens and links. The guy goes through each claim and actually explains them in detail,
You people arent thinking or researching this just being lazy reading internet articles and repeating what a tech blogger was paid to say by Verizon and Netflix.
Can i get a link to this, couldnt find anything oh his profile? sounds interesting though it doesnt make sense for verizon to pay someone to put them in a bad light
btw i got the list from elsewhere, though i did search each claim and they generally held true. The exceptions being the date is off on the first two by two years, and the last one i couldnt find a direct quote from verizon though i did find many results showing they were either attempting or thinking about doing so at that time
I'm tired of seeing this same images being used as an argument for Net Neutrality, when it has absolutely nothing to do with it.
What you're seeing there are extra data packages for phones. You have your basic plan, nd then you can pay extra to visit those sites/apps for no additional data cost. So for example, you pay 5 extra € to watch all fucking netflix/youtube/similar without it consuming additional data.
Portugal is within EU, and follows EU's Net Neutrality laws. Please investigate before spreading missinformation.
Its effectively the same thing though, restricting access to websites unless you pay extra. just because it falls under a legal loophole because its cellular data doesnt make it any less different.
But it has absolutely nothing to do with it!
One thing is limiting speeds or access on certain sites, or to certain customers, and other is offering unlimited data usage (Specifying on phones, that is).
Like, that's been a thing since... ever, at least here! You can get a plan with, say, 2GB a month, phone calls and all that shizz aside, or you can pay extra to get more data monthly. Only here you can pay just a bit extra to get as much data as you want for stuff like Netflix or youtube while you're out.
There are plans where you can get unlimited data on everything, but usually those cost a fuckton.
You're right, which all the more reason that Pai's plan that does affect what you are referring to also allows for the image above. This current plan is not the right answer, it will give you what you want and are arguing for, but you have got to understand that even though that image doesn't have anything to do with NN, that is what will happen based on the information from Pai's plan.
Hmm, that much I can agree with, yeah. I can see that happening if NN is taken down (which, just in case, is something I wouldn't enjoy, it'd be a fucking shitstorm).
It's just that I've seen this picture in particular being used without context and spreading missinformation that's just tiring, like, no joke, I've seen it on twitter 3 or 4 times this week alone!
Ill admit your right on this part. mobile having datacaps has been a thing for forever, and although its far from an ideal situation, it is a more flexible way to pay for extra data. When i saw that image originally, i knew it applied to a data capped plan, but didnt know it was a mobile data capped plan.
I would ask if you could trust your ISP not to bring similar shit to standard internet plans without net neutrality or any of the consumer protection laws the EU has in place, but i dont know the state of competition in your country. Here our competition consists of a single cable company like comcast, cellular plans(also heavily capped), or sattelite.
Without any protections in place companies are free to do whatever they want because the customers have no real alternative.
It's cool, I know what it looks like at first, and it's easy to missunderstand, hence why I try to tell the people that it's not what it looks like.
I do agree that phone data rates are overall full of bullshit, using the excuse of "portable" to add a cap limit is BS all around. I've heard that there's internet limits on home internet on the US too (which is surreal to me, not gonna lie). They're mafia-like here in Spain, I don't even wanna know how it'd be if that sort of business practices applied to us.
And yeah, just like you, ISP's here is pretty much a massive company with most of the infrastructure with a bunch of others "pretending" to be as big, and in the end it's all the same shit, without NN it'd be much much worse.
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