Hi guys it's me again! Been a while since i've posted anything like at all! But i thought for the heck of it i like doing some VS battles cause i find those fun cause of all the crazy feats you find characters doing! So i thought "Hey why not the sorcerer supreme vs the red king?" Should be pretty interesting.
Now if you find this to be stupid or dumb i don't blame you but hey mates, again this is all for fun. But onto the fight! As i've done research on both sides for each character and will give in detail as best as i can what these bois be made of! And yes i do use research and other things among other sites like vs battle wiki but i ain't exactly the smartest guy around *shrug*
I'll be using a rank system of 1-10 and doing stats of strength, speed, intelligence, stamina, range and powers!
Magnus the Red, The Crimson King, The Red Cyclops
“ The ancient knights’ quest for the grail, the alchemist’s search for the Stone of the Philosophers, all were part of the Great Work and are therefore endless. Success only opens up new avenues of brilliant possibility. Such a task is eternal and its joys without bounds; for the whole universe, and all its wonders… what is it but the infinite playground of the Crowned and Conquering Child, of the insatiable, the innocent, the ever-rejoicing heirs of the galaxy and eternity, whose name is Mankind? “- Magnus the red
Magnus the red, The primarch of the tragic thousands sons legion from the ancient days of the crusade. Be it he has fallen to chaos he is still one to fear highly as his pysker might will show all who dare go against him to see why he is called “The crimson king”
Now Magnus is more of a guy who isn’t “Oh i’ma kill you with this giant ass sword” He’s more of “Oh let me look at you for a moment with my mind-and now your dead” type of guy.
Strength: Now just because i said the boy wasn’t more of the close in type, that don’t mean he was weak in it by any sense of the word. Just with his punches alone he was able to crack and destroy MOUNTAINS, and when he got in CQC with his brother leman russ, not only did he match his brother in that they were causing earth quakes shaking the entire PLANET.
So yeah no our boy is no slouch when it comes to his pure psychical MUSCLES.
Just to show how much power he got behind those hands, let’s look at the time he basically pimp slapped Logan grimnar
“Logan Grimnar sat up from the gore-stained slush, a dozen broken bones making every movement painful as he coughed blood onto the back of his gauntlet.” - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 112
Speed: Now being a primarch our boy is pretty fast, how fast you ask? Well what i didn’t see last time was a feat Angron has managed to pull off. He was fighting so fast that lasers around him seemed to be frozen in time.
“The Spear of Telesto worked and Arkio felt as if he were merely a vessel for the weapon, like the igniter for an explosive power so far beyond him as to be unimaginable. And yet, every second the weapon sang in his grip, and the teardrop blade brought ruin to hundreds of Traitor Marines, he felt himself changing. Power the likes of which he had never dared imagine coursed through Arkio, and his mind struggled to grasp it. The closest thing he could approximate it with was his rebirth when he left the sarcophagus on Baal for the first time, but even that was a pale shadow compared to the majestic force running through him now. He was a hundred feet tall. He could see the passage of bolts and laser blasts as if they were suspended in the air. He was invincible. By the lords, he was godlike.“Laser weapons are indeed actual light.”Laser Weapons, or Las Weapons as they are known in the Imperium of Man, are a family of directed energy weapons that produce beams of high-intensity amplified light to produce heat damage on a target. Laser Weapons are relatively easy to produce and maintain. No solid ammunition is ever used – only power cells which can be recharged and quickly swapped with a fully-charged power cell“
So by another calculation i had found someone did at the lowest end of the scale Angron would have to be 5000 times FTL or at the high end he’s over 7700 times FTL. This puts Anrgon easily in MFTL speeds in reaction time alone. And Angron has been known to fight leman russ to which the wolf king could keep up with him.
And magnus fought Leman….i think you see where i’m getting at. Thought that’s only in “reaction time” His travel speed on foot is still insane as he can reach up to Hyper sonic speeds which is over mach 5. And his flight speed is even higher being able to reach around massively hyper sonic.So he still a very fast man.
Stamina: Again being a Primarch he can fight weeks upon end without ever having to take a break as he wields his powers just as easily as a man can take a breath.
Durability: Just because our boy don’t like to fight close combat don’t mean he can’t take a hit. i mean he survived a fight with Leman (Even though his back was broken, RIP spine) which he took hits from which both of them were causing earth quakes to happen.
Or what about the time he took blasts from raven wings and tank that are designed to turn things they hit to implode and turn into nothing?
“ It was the Ravenwing that first paid the price for challenging the Crimson King. A bolt of actinic light shot from the centre of the rocky circle marking Magnus’ arrival upon Asaheim, a piercing lance of energy so fierce it scarred the eyes of all who saw it. In a flash two jetfighters were disintegrated, the third of their squadron spiralling to crash burning into Asaheim’s immense cliff face. The Dark Talons that came in close behind them opened fire with their rift cannons, hoping to banish Magnus back to the Warp. The strange unlight of the weapons did no more than blister the Daemon Primarch’s skin. With a snap of his wings he sprang into the air, whipping his immense staff around to send an airborne tsunami of psychic energy crackling out. Where it struck home the Dark Talons were turned to black marble laced with seams of the pilot’s flesh. They arced, then plummeted, plunging one after another into the boiling morass of corrupted lava at the base of the Wolf’s Gullet.“ - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 104
Or the time he took lightning from a grey knights master while also being hit by orbital laser blasts with the force of grinding tectonic plates?
“The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed.” - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105
So yeah our boy can take more then a simple “hit”
Range: Magnus being a psyker range is his bread and butter as he can reach over kilometers with most of his powers and even to a planet range with certain power such as his time manipulation. And even longer with his daemon hood.
Equipment: Back then he wore power armor and had a power sword just in case, but nowadays he mostly only carries a giant force staff. (Not like he needs much else nowadays)
Intelligence: Magnus is a book worm, no denying it. But a book worm who could kill your in 1000 different ways without looking at you. This guy was a Primarch and lead the thousands suns into tactful battles and victories time after time. Out of all his brothers he was defiantly the smartest in book smarts as he was a seeker on knowledge (Even though that lead to his down fall) but has over 10,000 years of knowledge and combat experience. He’s a very ******* smart man. (that’s a super under statement)
Powers: Oh boy. Where do i even start?
Magnus is known as one of the strongest pysker’s to had every exist right next to the big E himself, don’t believe me? Look at some of his feats.
Like i said earlier he can cast magic as easy as a man breaths, as the time he turned his words turned into rain to cover an entire planet.
"His bass tones rolled like distant thunder around the gigantic orreryof his astral court. Outside the arcane citadel, his words turned to raindrops that baptised the Planet of Sorcerers with the power of his intent.“ - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 31
Anyone who even writes his name he can see them.
”Though Magnus the Red has but one eye, few beings in the galaxy possess greater vision. The Daemon Primarch’s name is rarely penned even in those texts that detail the ancient history of the Imperium, for to inscribe it is to risk falling under his nigh-omniscient gaze.“ - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 32
As soon as he entered realty, everything around him started to turn into crystal sand.
"The Crimson King did not arrive with dignity and poise in the manner of an Eldar prince, nor did he announce his coming with heralds and servant-squires as would an Imperial potentate. Instead he barged into the harsh air of Fenris like a charging minotaur. His horns ripped the glitch in reality wide open as he forced his titanic bulk through. A glut of daemonic celebrants spilled from the lesion behind him. The Crimson King roared his orders to the massed vassals below, who were already gathering alongside the Warp-spawned host that tumbled from the rift. Around him a blast wave of cerulean force crackled outwards, turning the snow to a landscape of crystal sand. The facets of every grain reflected an aspect of the Daemon Primarch’s soul.” - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 62
His very breath is sentient and kills people, no i am not kidding.
“With three great beats of his pinions, Magnus soared aloft, revelling in his own power. The cold and virginal air he breathed in was exhaled as coloured clouds of sentient mist that wound away like ghosts, seeking mortal victims to asphyxiate at their leisure.” Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 62
He got so bored with the people he was fighting with he killed a group of grey knights and death wolfs without even fighting them himself and then when three dread noughts came by which they were designed to kill GREATER DAEMONS, he killed them with a simple glare.
Nothing being thrown at him was hurting him until the chapter master grabbed a khrone axe and stabbed him with it, and he didn’t bother to dodge or counter attack cause he thought it wasn’t going to do anything anyways.
“It was an ignominious end to a mighty saga, but it had bought Logan Grimnar the time he needed. Jumping from Stormrider at the edge of the chasm, the Great Wolf called out a mighty challenge. Magnus turned, a sneer of disdain on his cyclopean features. No mortal weapon could harm him, and thanks to the work of the Blue Scribes, neither could the enchanted relics of the Imperium.
But the Axe Morkai was not of the Imperium. It had first been forged as a weapon of Khorne, bane of sorcerers.
Logan leapt. The double-headed power axe slammed into Magnus’s chest, shattering arcane wards and piercing his breastplate to bite deep.
In the distance, thunder rumbled long and loud. Only the psykers present heard it for what it was – the laughter of the Blood God himself.” - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 108
He basically has the laws of physics as his play thing, which only makes him stronger around other pysker’s and daemon princes.
“Magisterial, masterful and unparalleled in psychic supremacy, the royal court of Magnus floats ethereally across the land. None can match this assemblage’s prowess in the arcane arts, for the patronage of a Daemon Primarch confers power of such magnitude that the laws of physics are reduced to mere playthings. Named the Rehati in remembrance of Magnus’ original bodyguard, this collection of psykers is comprised of the most favoured entities from the Planet of the Sorcerers. Some may be warrior mystics from the Primarch’s original Legion, others ascendant glory-seekers that have achieved immortality by becoming Daemon Princes under Magnus’ rule. The air shimmers with raw Warp energy as the sect advances, the deaths of their enemies assured by the dominating malice of the Rehati and their master.” - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 153
Just out of sheer will and determination in the warp he can make new concepts and entire phantom worlds that exist now in reality.
“The nobility of his cause threw off sparks of potency that created phantom worlds and concepts, in his wake. Entire philosophies and bodies of thought would be born into the minds of those lucky enough to have his leavings descend upon their dreaming minds.” - A Thousand Sons
Annihilates the minds of an entire host with a single psychic blast.
“The Blades of Magnus were long bound to the Cult of Manipulation, and worked in secret to break the bonds between Magnus and the eldritch powers. When the Daemon Primarch learned of their works he annihilated their minds with an overwhelming psychic blast. Now they are some of his most loyal thralls, replete with Rubric Marines.” - Codex: Thousand Sons
In the warp can destroy and create entire realities to his whim alone with just his mere thoughts.
"I remember gold. A golden web of glowing threads, spreading through the black, stretching into infinity. The threads split and divided, met and joined, over and over, slicing the emptiness into sharp slivers. I spun through the web. My body blinked between shapes: a silver hawk, a circle of fire, a sickle of moonlight. Rainbow sparks danced in my wake, and the golden web sang at my passing. I felt joy. I had made that journey many times in dreams before that moment, but that was the first time I had dived into the Great Ocean at my own will. It felt like breaking into air after drowning. It felt like returning home. I flew, my thoughts stretching across time and space, my will snapping realities and remaking them. It was so easy, it was like nothing, but it was everything.“ - Ahriman: King of Ashes
That’s not EVEN including all the other powers he has, like matter manipulation (On an atomic level) time manipulation, reality warping, telepathy, telekinesis, can attack on all forms (Physical, spiritual, mental and symbolic) can create illusions to trick enemies, can step in and out of reality, soul manipulation, mind destruction, can seal other people’s powers out of sheer will, has Resistance to mind, spirit, soul, existence, matter, reality and time manipulation or erasure. Not to mention the other **** tons of ability’s he got over the years.
Flaws: but for as great as he is the red king does have flaws of his own.
One would be of course He’s missing one of his ******* eyes.
He tends to forget at times that only in the warp he can sure his true power as he is in a weaker state when coming into the real world.
He can be quite over confident at times such as the time where he got stabbed by the giant ******* khrone axe which he thought wasn’t going do anything to him.
But for stats.
But now time for other magic user.
The sorcerer supreme
(Btw this shall be Classic Doctor strange as he's the stronger version compared to modern doc)
Sorcerer Supreme of the Earth dimension, Doctor strange, Stephen Strange.
The Doctor known among his allies and friends is one of the strongest magic users in the known marvel comic franchise as his powers and feats show his is truly worthy of the name Sorcerer Supreme. He’ll show why he this name in the first place.
Also like Magnus, The doctor is not one to go hand to hand combat or melee but would rather deal with you from a distance or shut down his opponents with clever tricks.
Strength: Now unlike our boy Magnus the doc ain’t as strong physical wise as the red primarch, he has never really shown any pure strength feats except maybe lifting to where he’s peak human but striking at someone he could take down the everyday thug but we haven’t seen things against like captain america.
Speed: Now unlike strength the doc’s speed is on a WHOLE other level as this boy is pretty fast not only in travel speed but in reaction speed and attacking speed.
If we did scaling with magnus as we compared him to Angron then the same should be said for the doc. As to we shall compare him to his teacher, the ancient one who once did a feat like this.
Considering from where he was at the time and how fast the ancient one reacted to the beam in the exact “micro-second” this already makes doctor strange in the FTL reaction speeds since he’s been confirmed to be stronger then his old teacher.
Or the other time were Adam Warlock (you know the guy who always is seen with thanos at times?) had literally FLUNG him to the edge of the universe and the good doctor just returned within SECONDS. Boi that is some saint seiya levels of speed right there easily over 1,000,000 times in travel speed.
Also btw he could become the avatar of ENTIRETY or DEATH itself so he’s then EVERYWHERE at once. And if anyone knows who those two are within the marvel multiverse, you know how big of a feat that is.
Stamina:The good doctor has fought with very strong being with hours at the time, while no where near Magnus levels of stamina he has never had to fight upon days or weeks because his magic was that strong he could deal with opponents.
Durability: What? You think just cause he’s magic he hasn’t survived insane **** before? Look at this
He survived and tanked this attack from the The In-Betweener. You know the guy who works for lord chaos and lord order and is PHYSICALLY Embodiment of the Duality of Concepts. So he survived an attack from that mother ****** to which that mother ****** could easily create and destroy universe’s. He also fought that guy on an almost equal level and manged to seal the guy.
Or the time he survived this attack from the demon Dormammu
An attack not which only killed ENTIRETY but also with the doc’s force fields he tanked the attacked until he was rescued from his universe falling apart.
Or how about the time he literally resisted DEATH trying to kill him.
Yeah that’s pretty insane to survive not only DEATH itself but within it’s own realm, this could also show a feat for just how fast this guy can go at times.
Range: Can go up to dozens of meters at weakest to multiverse levels of range as he Crossed an infinite number of dimensions by using Mordo’s power to which that in itself is pretty insane if i say so myself. So range is no problem for this guy.
Equipment: (this comes vs battle wiki) Many magic artifacts, such as the Eye of Agamotto, which draws power from the cosmic being of the same name and can pierce through any illusion, gives him massively upgraded senses, open dimensional portals, and many other effects. The Cloak of Levitation allows him to fly (he can fly without it, but using the cloak doesn’t consume any energy) He can also control the cloak remotely, like Surfer does with his board. The Wand of Watoomb, which can control “cosmic winds” allowing him to reach anywhere in the universe very quickly, or banish others to the far reaches of the universe, and the Ring of Full Power, which allows him to access all of his power while in his astral form. Has the Soul Gem, but will virtually never use it. The Purple Gem.
Intelligence: (also comes from Vs battle wiki) The most powerful sorcerer in the universe, fought for thousands of years in a magical war, created his own forms of magic and mastered nearly every form of magic in existence, the leading authority on magic and mystical related subjects, highly skilled in HtH combat, a vast amount of experience battling nearly every conceivable type of foe.
The doc ain’t no stranger when it comes combat, maybe not as much as magnus but can hold his own very calmly and with mastery.I mean he’s gone against the in-betweener, Nightmare, Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu and even other entities like them which have a whole **** ton of more experience then him but he’s still has beaten every single one of them.
Powers: Where to even start with this guy.
Here’s the main powers of this guy. (this comes from vs battle wiki)
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Martial Artist, Flight, Mastery of Many Forms of Magic including ones he developed himself, Supernatural Senses, Telepathy (Both offensive and defensive), Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Astral Projection, Intangibility, Time Manipulation (Can slow, accelerate and loop time), Time Reversal (On a universal scale with the Cosmic Wheel of Change), Time Stop, Time Travel, Dimensional Travel and Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Law Manipulation (can affect laws of reality and concepts such as direction, dimensionality, mind etc inside Null Space), Reality Warping, Portal Creation, BFR, Sealing, Teleportation, Telekinesis, Power Nullification (temporarily nullified Borgo’s (Silver Surfer clone) power cosmic and Modred’s powers), Power Absorption (has absorbed powers of Arioch, Shadowqueen, Shuma-Gorath etc), Can survive in outer space, void and other hostile environments, Is immuneto any diseases and does not age due to making a pact with Death, Immortality (Type 1, 3 and 4), Regeneration (Low-Godly, Regenerated from death after both Dormammu and Strange shattered each others essence across multiple realms), Can create forcefields, Black Hole creation (trasnmuted Stygyro to a supernova which collapsed into a Black Hole ), Psychometry, Can travel between universes, Shapeshifting, Can summon many powerful cosmic beings and their power, Necromancy, Possession, Energy and Matter Manipulation, Energy and Life-Force Absorption, Transmutation, Automatic defenses, Gravity Manipulation, Resistance to Void Manipulation (resisted Dormammu’s void attack which erased Eternity , can exist in a void outside of Space-Time ), Resistance to Fire and Heat Manipulation, Resistance High-Tier Reality Warping from beings as strong as The In-Betweener, Resistance to Illusions/Mind Manipulation, Resistance to Death Manipulation and Sealing, Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (resisted Stygyro’s attempt to turn Strange into a 2-D character )
So yeah, that a whole **** ton of powers to him.
Oh yeah and if you like to see some other feats of his, check this out.
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Flaws: So to be excepted the doc ain’t the most physical fit to fight to hand and without his items he’s far weaker. And other beings of powerful strengths have overpowered him before.
So stats for the old doc!
Now next finally for the setting!
Round 1: Normal space, neither home advantage
Round 2: In marvel universe
Round 3: Within the warp
Imo i see if magnus can get close to to the doc and get around his force field the poor magic man is scared but thats if magnus can even catch doctor strange in the first place considering how fast the guy can go. And even within the warp depending on how strong the will of doctor strange is magnus could still have a hard time fighting the sorcerer supreme.
But hey thanks for reading my dumb little (but long) post, call me out on anything i got wrong or you think could need changing or explained in more detail. But tell me who you think would win from what i showed ya! I love to see your guys thoughts!