(So i remember i did this long ago but it was more of a poll but i never went into detail for people who they think would win so i thought "Eh, why not give a deep explanation for it" So here you go, whenever you like it or not.)
With these i shall go over 7 things. Strength, speed, stamina, durability, Intelligence, powers and flaws. If i get anything wrong just tell me i’m just doing this for fun and not saying this character can beat this characters ass.
Angron, The Red Angel, Angronius of Nuceria, Lord of the Red Sand
‘Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honor, courage and honor, courage and honor. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honor is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honor’
Angron Primarch of the world eaters, now fallen to khrone with blood lust he is a very fierce warrior, more then a worthy opponent for anyone. So let’s see some of his feats.
Strength: He manged to hold back a Warhound scout titan, though taking many injuries.
“He turned, raising his arms, and took a god-machine’s weight on his shoulders.
Every muscle in his body locked tighter than the iron trying to crush him. Drool stringed through his metal teeth, skinned knuckles white as he defied the will of a Titan. He gave a bear’s roar as the foot lowered another half-metre. Sinews crackled in his shoulders. His broken boots skidded back on the patch of unglassed rock; something cracked in his spine, something else cracked in his left knee. The compression of his bones sounded like twigs breaking underfoot, which was a vivid burst of imagination he didn’t appreciate.”
This is very impressive though while being the smallest of the titans unit’s they can still be 50 feet at their tallest. So good on our boy.
His punches are so strong then sent Guilliman back from his blows.
“The two primarchs met again. Guilliman’s powered gauntlets should have easily deflected Angron’s chainswords, but the World Eater’s strength drove his brother back step by step. Chain-teeth sprayed from the weapons as eagerly as the saliva from Angron’s lipless slit of a mouth.”
Just for reference Guilliman is a few 100 tonner. So yeah.
Manged to to dig himself over 170 meters underground by just his axes. But they do break.
“Free me!’ he said again.
You have to free yourself. You’re digging downwards. The enemy mined the roads and collapsed the towers upon the vanguard of our army. You were over thirty metres beneath the ground when you woke. You’re now closer to two hundred.
And bleeding. And weakening. And your axes are broken. Even your kind aren’t immortal, sire.”
Speed: Can keep up with Guilliman in a fight who they seem a blur to their sons.
“The two primarchs fell into a seamless, roaring duel exactly where Lorgar and Guilliman had abandoned theirs. This high on the overlooking hill, the water was a dim and distant concern. Lorgar heard its serpent-hissing flow, but spared it no mind. It didn’t matter. All that mattered was the song.
Both primarchs fought without heeding their warriors, their godlike movements an inconceivable blur to the Space Marines fighting around them. Here was a record of the very mythical action that the Terran remembrancer order had been founded to document, as two of the Emperor’s sons raised weapons in the embodiment of those most ancient legends:”
Within the books it has said that the most trained space marines can react to under or at least very close to a nano-second, yet not even the most trained space marines could see their father’s fighting one another.
He Beat Kharne faster then the guy could even figure out what was going on.
“…He exhaled, and took another step into the room. For a moment he thought he could hear movement, the padding of feet, a rush of air that felt like breath before everything splintered and whirled and he crashed into a pillared wall to land hard on his back, gasping in pain.
By the time the gasp had entered his lungs, reflex had taken over and he was up on one knee, turning to put his broken right arm and shoulder to the wall and holding and tensing his left arm ready to ward as he scanned for motion, eyes sifting the gloom, pushing into infrared to see the hulking shape hurtling forwards to fill his vision—
Will overrode reflex, and with an iron effort Kharn forced his hand towards his side. Then he was skittering on his back across the floor, breath hammered out of his lungs and cracked clavicle flaring. Unthinkingly he drew his knees to his chest, turned the skidding tumble into a backwards roll. Training, determination and Astartes neural wiring let him shunt the pain to the back of his mind as he came up into a combat crouch.
Then will took over again, and Kharn made himself stand upright and placed his hands by his sides. He looked back and found the spot where he had rested a moment ago, but the floor was empty, no shape or heat-trace. Was this how it was for the others? He caught himself wondering, and stopped thinking about it when the lapse in concentration started him swaying on the spot. He focused, half-heard movement closing in behind him and opened his mouth to speak, and a moment later was jerked up from the floor, the back of his head and neck in the grip of a hand that felt bigger and harder than a Dreadnaught’s rubble-claw. Will, will over instinct: Kharn stopped himself from kicking backwards, trying to wrench free.”
Again Kharne was considered one of the best back then in 30k, so him being blitzed shows just how fast Angron is.
Stamina: Being a Primarch his stamina is insane as they can fight for months without break and still not be tired, and since angron was one of the most warrior like out of everyone, his must have been even higher then the others at times.
Durability: So remember that digging feat he had earlier? Well….Has a few towers collapse on him but survives still with enough strength to dig himself 170 meters. So yeah that’s something big to survive.
Bones break from having hundreds of tons of continuous force pressed upon him
“Every muscle in his body locked tighter than the iron trying to crush him. Drool stringed through his metal teeth, skinned knuckles white as he defied the will of a Titan. He gave a bear’s roar as the foot lowered another half-metre. Sinews crackled in his shoulders. His broken boots skidded back on the patch of unglassed rock; something cracked in his spine, something else cracked in his left knee. The compression of his bones sounded like twigs breaking underfoot, which was a vivid burst of imagination he didn’t appreciate.”
So yeah….Angron has survived some pretty insane ****.
Gets into a long brawl with Guilliman who as above, is a few hundred tonner
“Angron himself still fought Guilliman, standing above the kneeling Ultramarine. Had he even noticed the storm of blood streaming from the sky in a red torrent? Sparks sprayed from Roboute’s raised gauntlets as he struggled to ward off blow after blow. He was beaten. He was down. Wounds painted him, a palette of proud defeat. Even now, his warriors were fighting to retrieve him. With the scarring across his armour and the sense of pain bleeding from his mind, Lorgar reckoned his brother would be lucky to ever walk again.
Angron looked little better. Already an icon of mutilated majesty, huge rents and gashes marked his flesh from the knuckles of Guilliman’s gauntlets.”
Intelligence: He’s a Competent military strategist and gladiator. Has lead his entire legion to victory’s across the galaxy and can think of complicated strategies.
Powers: Already as a Primarch he has super human powers to the extreme, but while also becoming a daemon he has accesses to warp powers which post his already insane super human stats even higher. He’s way stronger then lesser Bloodthirsters who can grew to star system size in the eye of terror as while his speed also increases to insane heights as well.
But while with that he also has Matter manipulation, time manipulation, soul manipulation, spatial manipulation, regeneration to a godly degree at times as well as many other powers.
Flaws: While Angron is a very powerful Primarch his anger and rage was the down fall to him as he fell to chaos as he now serves Khrone, he is not the best straightest out of all his brothers and had a problem for running into head things first.
So now i’ll give my own thoughts of how this goes with a little state chart going from 1 to 10. 10 being the highest.
(now for asura)
Asura, Asura the destroyer, The fallen Guardian, The raging demi-god, avenger of the innocent
“I understand it all now! The true reason for my wrath! There is always some fool who’s trying to rule the world! forcing others to do, for what they can’t do themselves! That’s why….I pray to no one! Nor will i be prayed too! But above all else….i will never….Forgive you…FOR MAKING MY DAUGHTER CRY!!!”-Asura vs Chakravartin, the Creator
Asura, the fallen guardian and raging god trying his best to do what is right, even though his temper get’s in the way a lot of the time. He’s went beyond the duty of a father to get his daughter back from all sorts of evils, even the Charkavatin who had made the power Asura was using. All of this to save his daughter from misery and trying his best to protect her and give her a happy life.
Strength: Just in his base form he’s able to toss around Gohma lashers around like they’re nothing. For reference a Gohma their shells are 500-2000m, the body being 200-830m in height and 190-750m in width. And assuming these guys take down ships just as big as them for the Army of Shinkoku. Assuming that the army Shinkoku has very sturdy ships (via example of the Nirvana class) of since it takes a Gohma lasher a few hits to take one down and asura can destroy both in one hit. He has enough strength to take down some of the largest ships in the world and carry them around to toss them.
It doesn’t help that in his six armed form he’s done even crazy feat’s of strength as he was able to lift Wzyen’s finger (when wyzen used his mantra reactor and became bigger then the planet) and then destroyed him with just punching his finger alone. He’s been seen taking on Augus in this form, to which Augus has enough strength to over power asura in his base form easily. With his sword (Wailing Dark) and he was easily able to slice the moon straight in half. His sword was able to grow long enough to stab through the entire earth and then keep going.
Another feat he’s has in this form is when Vitra first appeared in the game and was at least bigger then an entire content, Asura in his six armed form was able to beat it. With only three punches. That is some serious strength there.
And even then he has even stronger forms as then when he goes true berserk, he hits even harder and strong then he did before.
And then even then he still has his Mantra Asura who his two giant arms is made up of one thousands of his smaller arms. And he manged to beat the earth’s core with yasha’s help. If his six arm form was enough to destroy Wyzen who was bigger then the planet at the time, Image how much power he’s got then.
EVEN STILL, Asura has two other forms which was Asura the Destuctor who was BIGGER THEN THE PLANET, his strength increases to a STUPID amount of punching and lifting power as we was able to punch apart planets and stars even bigger then him, but with this form Chakravartin was still testing him,with his six armed Mantra form where he took him on while he wasn’t at full power but kicked his ass. Chakravartin was then forced to transform into his true power but while destroying Asura’s size armed form Asura’s base form (what we assume it was) had so much rage towards Chakravartin that it over powered the creator and eventually destroyed him.
As seen in this picture Chakravartin while using a tiny bit of his power was bigger then over 3 dozens galaxies and in this form asura was able to crack this thing open and break it, this guy’s punching power isn’t even his highest yet it still reaches the high end of multi-galaxy striking power.
Speed: Asura in his base form was moving around in space very fast looking almost like a blur to his allies aside from the other generals, for him to even move this fast he have to had massively hyper sonic flying speeds. That in itself is at least over mach 100, 100 times the speed of sound. Though that is his travel speed via “flight” not ground speed. His travel speed via foot it at least super sonic as he can keep up with the ships of his former army.
But in his other forms his speed increases even higher and higher as at his strongest he was able to keep up with the creator’s strongest and fastest form.As for his reaction time he can hit and dodge just as fast as he can dodge FTL as he can dodge Vitra’s laser’s rather easily in his six armed form. He got even faster as with his flight speed in his giant form he was able to travel to the center of the milky way in only minutes, the center being over 26,000 light years away makes him easily MFTL flight speed, reaction time and travel speed as to when he was fighting the creator in his full power he must have been even faster then asura’s giant form yet asura was still able to keep up with him. Even when Chakravartin froze time and caught asura off guard, he was still fast enough to catch him and give a counter attack.
Stamina: Asura can fight for insane long on hours on end and even days and never once through out the game was never shown to get once unless fighting other guardian generals. Even when being smashed into the ground, being stabbed by a sword that went through the earth, having his arms constantly destroyed, being hit with planet size blasts, hits, and having planets and stars being thrown at him he still get’s up and keeps trucking ahead.
Durability: Asura body has seen being able to take hits and explosions without even having a scratch on him like the absolute canon as it fired him out of the earth’s atmosphere but he came back a few seconds later without a scratch. He’s able to take hits from desu and yasha without his body taking any real looking damage and at his highest plant/stars exploding on him didn’t hurt him as much as you think they would.
Intelligence: While Asura is nowhere near stupid he ain’t the smartest guy around, but in combat he is a master martial artist, immense cunning as he has shown on the fly tactics in his fighting style and has over 10,000 years of combat experience.
Powers: Super human stats ,Some of his powers show to shoot energy blasts as they get stronger with each form, as he doesn’t seem to age, his rage is strong he has returned from death three times, can survive space without breathing, his rage allows him to transform into higher states of power.
Flaws: Rushes in almost 90% of the time without a plan, his anger get’s the best of him sometimes, smarter people can usually tricks him, often loses his arms in fights with people just as tough as him.
My thoughts on this is which i'll give my 2 cents, remember it's just that, i'm not the all mighty judge to decide this. Out of the five i'll give who has what has the advantage on who.
Asura has shown on multiple occasions that he is physically stronger then Angron via feats as he has lifted a finger bigger then texas, throwing wyzen when he was giant into space, catching missiles just as big as him and throwing giant Gohma way bigger then him. Also destroying things "WAY" bigger then him in only a few hits while Angron while extremely strong has shown nothing of this caliber as of yet.
At least in the beginning, for while asura may be very fast if he can't catch Angron then he can't do the hurting, though when asura pretty much "Levels" up he can keep up with Angron, so unless were doing scaling with Angron with his other brothers then Angron has MFTL reaction speed and attack and if not well he still has FTL reaction speed. But Asura can eventually catch up to that speed in his higher forms.
Even though Angron is a Primarch and they are known to fight for days upon end, the books have shown to were Angron has become tired before as within the game for Asura we get no real signs of him getting tired at all unless fighting someone of his strength or greater, but even then we don't see that often because asura has never been shown to take a break in battle.
Just within the game Asura has just survived so much more **** then Angron ever has. Angron suffered heavy damage from battling one of the smallest titans which was a scout, while the same size Gohma Asura can take on without no Problem. Asura has been seen fighting extremely well even without his arms and even when he got stabbed with wailing dark which went through the earth and kept going he was still fine in the end.
They've both shown to be extremely clever for when in the heat of battle, but they're flaws of angry getting in the way and tendency to rush into things is what makes them in a tie.
Now i know what some of you maybe be saying "but moon prince, Angron has power that could easily kill asura" and yes he does but it doesn't help if asura get's one good hit in and Angron is dead on the spot.
Then what about in the warp?
It is true, Asura would be on Angron's home turf and be at a huge dis advantage though here's what i think. Since from what i understand you can shape the warp based on will, knowing you have to have very strong will to do it but the stronger your emotion is the stronger you become. So then what's stopping Asura from just using his rage to shape the warp to the way he wants? His rage is so immense for his normal body that he could become even stronger then he was in the game. That's just my thoughts.
Anyways that was my two cents? but who you think would win based off what i found? Vote down below.
Angron vs Asura
Blood for the blood god!!! (Angron)
Come on!!! (Asura)
I got no idea