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If someone kills someone and shouts "Allah Akbar."
That is not the same as yelling "God is Great"

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#1 - bicornedbagel

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(04/20/2017) [-]

>Failed to note in arabic.

Holy ****, this just proves more how bad of journalists they are.

#39 to #1 - stormhammer

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Investigative journalism is dead. They just pay some schlub to dig around on Reddit and Twitter and package it into some turd pill for everyone to swallow. There are a few investigative journalists left, like Tim Pool. He recently went to Sweden and went to the no go zones to see if they were as bad as reported. Surprise. They were.

#2 - strifethethird

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(04/20/2017) [-]

"A new tweet is upcoming"

Translation: give us time to figure out how to spin this.

just put the same ******* tweet with "Allahu Akbar" instead of the English "God is great"

#5 to #2 - theladystrangler

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(04/20/2017) [-]

AP is a fairly unbiased news source.

Please prove otherwise.

#12 to #5 - anon id: f614a480

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(04/20/2017) [-]

They "failed to note" a major detail that paints a recent killing spree in a completely different light. How's that for proof?

#13 to #12 - theladystrangler

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(04/20/2017) [-]

>>#11

#9 to #5 - figtreez

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Even if that's true, that Associated Press are and have been unbiased for the entirety of them running, why would they not just tweet out the same message with "God is good" replaced by "Allahu Akbar?" Is that not unbiased?

#11 to #9 - theladystrangler

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(04/20/2017) [-]

This is the new tweet FYI.

I don't know, you're really just splitting hairs here. Both "allahu akbar" and "God is great" can give two separate impressions, and both could be considered biased.

If AP said "allahu akbar", I could easily say that they're trying to paint a common Muslim prayer as a terrorist prayer Which is just an example, I'm not actually saying that.

If AP said "God is Great", I could accuse them of trying to hide the ethnicity of the attacker to manipulate the public.

Both statements are entirely accurate. There's no way to say it that can't be misconstrued as being propaganda. In the content they said they weren't aware he said it in Arabic. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, given their history as a fairly centrist news source.

#37 to #11 - SemiAnon

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(04/21/2017) [-]

If they said "allahu ackbar" they would be reporting what was said.

They completely avoided saying "allahu ackbar," which is very commonly associated with islamic terrorism, specifically because it is commonly associated with islamic terrorism. Everyone reading that tweet knows the phrase "allahu ackbar." There is absolutely no reason to translate it, except to spin the story away from islamic terrorism.
That's the bias.
You can't call an exact quote a biased quote unless it is being quoted out of context which, in this case, it is not.

#41 to #37 - theladystrangler

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Except not everyone actually knows what that means. I think my original point still stand.

It's literally the same phrase just translated. Except "allahu akbar" has a different ring to it that "god is great".

Again, they also could have just been misinformed. They clearly addressed the mistake.

#53 to #41 - anon id: 641ec53f

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Allahu Akbar (Arabic: الله أكبر) is an Islamic phrase, called Takbir in Arabic, meaning "Allah is Greater" or "Allah is [the] greatest". Allahu Akbar or Allahu Ekber and similar variants may also refer to: Allahu Akbar (anthem), the national anthem of Libya from 1969 to 2011.

#21 to #9 - anon id: 1a04ab34

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Not really, but I will give them credit for reprimanding their own ideologues now and then, something sorely lacking in every single other paper these days.

#3 - keicloud

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(04/20/2017) [-]

I actually think it's okay for them to put the translated version. What if they said something like"almawt 'iilaa alkuffar"? I can guarantee that 90% of people here don't speak Arabic so literally noone would understand what was being said unless they translated it. I mean sure you could run it through google translate but that would make putting the non-translated version redundant.

#6 to #3 - zenthos

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(04/20/2017) [-]

shut up

#8 to #6 - keicloud

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Oh no! I voiced an opinion you disagree with, I do apologize for using my right to free speech. But c'mon you can use your right to free speech for something with a little more effort.

#36 to #8 - autumnanubis

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(04/21/2017) [-]

You could have better exercised your right to an education, because it doesn't seem it helped you very much,

#16 to #3 - satoasami

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(04/20/2017) [-]

In her first session holding the rotating presidency of the United Nations Security Council, U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley tried to turn the spotlight from Israel to Iran, the latest target of the Trump administration’s tough talk. It wasn’t easy.

“If we are speaking honestly about conflict in the Middle East, we need to start with the chief culprit, Iran, and its partner militia, Hezbollah,” Haley told the Security Council Thursday. “For decades they have conducted terrorist acts across the region.”

For the past two weeks, Haley had encouraged nations attending the quarterly open meeting on “the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian question” to tackle Tehran’s role in Yemen and Syria and its support for Hezbollah, topics she sees as more central to the theme of Middle East peace.

Few nations appeared to go along with Haley’s attempt to shift the discussion. In the early hours of the debate, Iran was seldom raised.

We need “to achieve justice based on the two-state solution in accordance with Security Council resolutions,” said Egypt’s Ambassador Amr Abdellatif Aboulatta, referring to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The current situation has become a “regressive status quo,” he added.

#14 to #3 - raisinbeuponhim

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Because everybody knows what Alah abkbar means , especially when it comes to the context when it is used in? E.g **** is soon going to go either balistic or take an explosive turn.

#10 to #3 - kibuza

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Because it makes little difference and both have massively different implications.

If I you had to picture someone who would say "God is Great' you'll probably get many different types of people. It's only made worse by the 'god' and 'God' issue.
Then If you had to picture someone who would shout "Allah Akbar" you're going to imagine drastically different people. Nuance matters.

#20 to #10 - anon id: 1a04ab34

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(04/21/2017) [-]

At least you know (((who))) you're dealing with if they say G-d is Great! They make it so easy to spot themselves sometimes...

#4 to #3 - theseareletters

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Here, there is context to the quote in the native language. If a German yelled a paragraph at me, I'd need a translator. If someone yells "allahu akbar" I understand what it is and as well, associate a type of person who would say this and why they might say it.

It's not the same as translating thoughts in a debate.

#15 - hiukuss

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(04/20/2017) [-]

Your description doesn't make any sense. Allahu Akbar literally means God is great.

#23 to #15 - spikefish

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(04/21/2017) [-]

And SS stands for Schuztstaffel which means "protection squad" but the connotations between the German term and the English term are drastically different.

#30 to #23 - onceman

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(04/21/2017) [-]

but it's said in daily prayer, not just when someone is committing a terrorist act.

#38 to #30 - rockamekishiko

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(04/21/2017) [-]

"shouting"
I hate when i accidentally shout my daily prayers and then spontaneously go on a murder spree

#42 to #38 - onceman

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(04/21/2017) [-]

ok but do you not get that using the argument of the connotation it has is nonsensical sense it's mostly used with a spiritual connotation?

#43 to #42 - rockamekishiko

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(04/21/2017) [-]

yes but it's very well known that terrorists shout that. Just like deus vult, sieg heil, etc... it matters that it was said in arabic

#49 to #43 - onceman

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(04/21/2017) [-]

I'm not arguing that, the reporting should have been accurate, his example and reasoning however is questionable

#17 to #15 - yisumad

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Yes, but the general association of the word "God" is with Christian religions (Catholic, Methodist, etc.), while the word "Allah" is almost always associated with Islam. Translating the phrase "Allahu Ackbar" into english ("God is great") gives the unintended (or intended I don't know) side effect of people associating the attack with Christianity rather than Islam.

It's more or less God = Christian, Allah = Islam

#18 to #17 - howunexpected

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(04/21/2017) [-]

AP style generally requires that foreign sayings be translated into the language the publication publishes in.
As such, their decision to translate this was totally right.

#75 to #17 - tanditsky

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Christianity isn't the only religion where people say God

#29 to #17 - spudrum

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Technically Allah is also mean The God, but what you said is true as most of us prefer using Allah term rather than God term.

#22 - cupcakescankill

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(04/21/2017) [-]

We deleted a tweet about a Fresno slaying suspect shouting "
Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen."

It failed to note he said it in Arabic. A new tweet is coming.

#34 to #22 - anon id: 9d73889e

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(04/21/2017) [-]

That's only a Christian thing to call God your father. In Islam the best relationship you can have with Allah is a servant/slave.

#35 to #34 - cupcakescankill

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(04/21/2017) [-]

you're missing out on a joke here

#44 - zazonion

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Isn't allah akbar literally translated to god is great?

#52 to #44 - jacklane

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(04/21/2017) [-]

actually it more precisely means "my god is greater than your god"

#50 to #44 - killingoffstars

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Yes but its like saying "A black man was shouting Fakkuhowaito as he killed three people" ( I don't speak Japanese, Fakkuhowaito is a google translate for **** whites )

It doesn't matter if it means the same thing. Its misleading to the public who might not know that it means the same thing.

#45 to #44 - MuahahaOfLore [OP]

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Yes.
But Christians dont yell that after they kill someone, they ask for forgiveness.
Saying it in Arabic has other connotations.

#46 to #45 - zazonion

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(04/21/2017) [-]

I'm pretty sure there have been some crazy ass christians out there who have killed people and thought they were doing the right thing.

#48 to #46 - anon id: 2a3d162c

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(04/21/2017) [-]

No, they still wouldn't say it because the Christian God doesn't advocate for murder.

#47 to #46 - MuahahaOfLore [OP]

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(04/21/2017) [-]

So you dont think its relevant?

#51 to #47 - anon id: 7fc5e6ab

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Ignore obvious bait. Either they're retarded, or they're having a go at you.

The relevancy is pretty blatant - Allah Akbar is a pretty popular phrase these days, and what it's said for.

#54 to #44 - flowgo

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(04/21/2017) [-]

No, it means "WITNESS ME"

#55 - Deavas

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Yes it is? It's a literal translation?

#56 to #55 - MuahahaOfLore [OP]

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Yes.
But Christians dont yell that after they kill someone, they ask for forgiveness.
Saying it in Arabic has other connotations.

#57 to #56 - Deavas

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(04/21/2017) [-]

He still yelled it tho

#58 to #57 - MuahahaOfLore [OP]

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(04/21/2017) [-]

so saying it in Arabic has 0 connotations?
c'mon man

#59 to #58 - Deavas

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(04/21/2017) [-]

That's not what i said

#65 to #55 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

>>#64,

#60 to #55 - krobeles

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(04/21/2017) [-]

"God is great!" ~ Implies he is some denomination of Christian
"Allah Akbar!" ~ Implies he is some denomination of Muslim

By using "God is great!" in lieu of "Allah Akbar!" you're telling an implicit lie, which is roughly equally as bad as outright lying if its done by a journalist.

#61 to #60 - Deavas

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(04/21/2017) [-]

I'm aware of the bs journalism. I know what changing it does.

#62 to #61 - krobeles

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(04/21/2017) [-]

...Then whats your point?
Are you just ***********?

#63 to #62 - Deavas

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Dude i honestly can't remember
I had to go back to the content just to remember what we were arguing about

#64 to #60 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

It translates to "god is greater." the reason the shout it is so they make it clear that no matter what we do, god is greater then us

#68 to #64 - krobeles

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(04/21/2017) [-]

I'd like to know how to say "Inferior" in Arabic or possibly "Null".
Would make a fine counter-statement to "Allah Akbar" then

#70 to #68 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Scratch that, I meant to say whore not gay

#69 to #68 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

you can always say "Ahba" instead of "Akbar"
Ahba means gay and that really would piss of alot of Muslims real fast

Remember to pronounce the H as is would otherwise sound like Aba

#71 to #69 - krobeles

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Sounds too similar if you need to stress the H.
You wouldn't recognize "Ahba" from "Akbar", I don't think

#72 to #71 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

thats why I don't use it myself
Still people in my country you be able to tell the deference given that the maltese language has an aribic origin. but hay at least we hate those sand ******* for what its worth

#73 to #72 - krobeles

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Everyone who isn't a ********** hates the ***********.
They've even managed to get the Buddhists and the Indians to stop burning themselves and ******** in the streets long enough to direct their ire against the Muslims.
They literally drove the most peaceful people on the planet to murder them, because they're so violent and heinous. When the pacifists start fighting you with violence, you know you're doing something very wrong...

#74 to #73 - pineapplechunkss

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(04/21/2017) [-]

we've been at it for Century's, so we are glad that the world is slowly waking up

#24 - ganisphel

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Kinda stretching with the use of the term "fake news" aren't you? I mean fake news is generally propaganda and disinformation.

They left out a detail and stated they are fixing it. Seems like the use of the term "fake news" is a little misleading don't you think Unless there was obvious intent to mislead shown that I am unaware of. ?

Incorrect news corrected seems like a better title. In truth I am splitting hairs but I just figured I would mention it in passing.

#25 to #24 - randacc

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(04/21/2017) [-]

more like filtered news, only the details they want for you get through

#26 to #25 - ganisphel

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(04/21/2017) [-]

... They fixed it though.

From what OP has shown we have nothing that screams intentional filtering. In fact we see journalistic integrity by clarifying details.

#28 to #26 - randacc

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(04/21/2017) [-]

ya it is great that they corrected themselves, most news channels can't say the same. The first post seemed very misleading, perhaps a moderator fixing or adding to the previous posters post

#31 to #28 - ganisphel

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Well I would not say it was misleading at all. I think this is slightly more telling but the old tweet should not have been misleading to anyone who has followed any news about muslim terrorism in the last 10 years.

I mean the new tweet is more clear but the old tweet posted is technically accurate and had I read that I would have figured Muslim as "god is great" is the direct translation.

Again to be clear I am glad they changed it but I cannot see how this could mislead anyone who follows the news even remotely closely.

#32 to #31 - randacc

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(04/21/2017) [-]

thats the whole point, a person is smart, people are dumb. without being thorough, opposing opinions will use even typos as leverage. 2 opposing news channels can have one glorify someone's actions as a hero while one deems them a horrible person.

#33 to #32 - ganisphel

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(04/21/2017) [-]

Oh I agree with you there. I think it was not an optimized decision to release the original as is. I just feel like this post was very accusatory by utilizing the term "fake news".

Another thing to keep in mind was that this was Twitter. You are limited on what you can say. Had they left that detail out of an article it would have been a huge failure. In this case I just feel they quickly gave a few details and figured the full story would speak the details.

I agree with you but feel that this should be more of a celebration rather than a harsh criticism not that you are . The original post, while not as good as the repost, was not showing signs of intentional misleading which is what I feel is kind of being pushed on this content.

#40 - mangyblacksheep

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