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Arabs and Africans were left to themselves for quite a few millenia at a time, i'm sure they developed into the best and most advanced societies.
Actually yes, Arabs did in fact become a flourishing race. the middle east around 800-1300 AD when almost all breakthroughs for medicine and science were discovered in the middle east
i have no idea if you were being sarcastic or not
I was more leaning towards the subject of culture, but thanks for the info.
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Based on the Roman, Greek, Persian and Hindu documents and works.
... yes, that would be the main amount of higher quality of life empires
Yes it was, they were good because they made everyone around them worse.
but thats wrong. during this golden age things were rather peaceful. the only things that happened were the turks taking over baghdad, and the fatimids took over egypt. in fighting happened but it was rather peaceful for wars back then. algebra was discovered in arabia. glass mirrors were made. the conquering was actually rather standstill around this time. Vikings moved to russia,slavic vikings became a thing, the Rus'. The Rus' traded with the middle eastern and asian traders on the silk road and learned from the arabic people. Then, the non rus vikings went and pushed into europe. Small fights between europeans and the fatimids were happening because they were not on good terms almost ever on the account of the jerusalem being under control of islamic rule, however at this time pilgrimages were welcomed for all 3 religions. While i do agree the first crusade was a justified measure, i think that you have a very, VERY skewed perspective of what actually happened during this era; as the middle east used to be the center of the world with technology and education, as well as trade and living quality. As of modern islamic rule we cannot say the same.
Also, Algebra was there long before the Arabs started their conquests, most likely being used along the silk road, then again, most likely originated in Babylon.
One thing that has always irked me about people praising Islamic society or cultural accomplishments is most of their accomplishments were just cargo cultish imitations of the Byzantines and Persians. The Middle East had been a cultural and economic center for millennia at the time of the Islamic conquests, producing many of Christendom's best theologians, and it's a little disingenuous to give Muslims credit for the region's accomplishments when they're the ones who took thousands of years of success and drove it into the ground; turning richest, oldest, and most strategically valuable region in the world into a worthless backwater. There is absolutely nothing of value produced by Muslims that was not already produced, or could not have been produced in the future, by a Christian or Zoroastrian population of the middle east and north Africa.
The consistent pattern with muslims was that they conquered culturally superior peoples and used the first generation of talented slaves and converts to produce architecture and poetry and whatnot. After that the stultifying effects of their religion and government set in and the region they had conquered sank into permanent intellectual and cultural stagnation. To compensate for this they drew talented people from edges of their empire to the capital, where they could enrich it and mask the cultural rot that always set in outside the capital. Arabs had become so inert by the end of the Abbasid era that the crusaders found a region dominated and defended not by its own people but by the parasitic Seljuk Turks, who ruled over passive and demoralized Arab, Greek, and Persian subjects and leeched their wealth like equestrian vampires. In fact, from about the mid Tenth century onwards the Arabs would never again be free of foreign, usually Turkic, regimes. They were a spent and fallen culture, doomed to be buffeted about endlessly by various steppe nomads, Europeans, and uppity slaves like the Mamlukes and Janissaries. The nomads themselves always succumbed to the same cultural rot as the rest of the Islamic world after enough time, and had to be replaced or revitalized by the next invading steppe horde. The Moors as well went through the same pattern of rot followed by nomad takeover, losing more ground to the Spanish each time the cycle reset.
"But", you'll say, "Islam was rich and powerful for centuries before the decline set in. Surely they weren't that bad if they could sustain a great civilization for so long". The original Caliphate lasted about three hundred years(the Islamic Golden Age), during which time it was able to exploit the fact that most of its population was not actually Muslim yet and still had enough cultural continuity left over from the pre-Islamic era to stave off the sort of stagnation and rot that would become characteristic of Islamic societies from the 10th century onwards. Islam squatted in the middle of the world's most vital trade routes and was able to siphon off a huge chunk of the world's wealth to sustain itself. It also profited from a massive and now largely forgotten slave trade. Finally, Islamic regimes enriched themselves by constantly conquering new areas and either sending the loot and new talent back to the capital or moving the capital to the new area to enjoy a generation of cultural revival before the rot set in again. Ultimately, Islam is a tapeworm that latched on to a very rich and strategically valuable region and became convinced it was responsible for all the s**t flowing past it. The world stopped trading with Muslims as soon as trade routes allowing them to be avoided were discovered, and with their choke hold on the world's trade broken, the impoverishing effects of their religion became apparent as they immediately sank into irrelevance on the world stage and stayed there until the discovery of oil. Ever since then they've been pawns of other worlds powers.
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