Chernobyl from HBO. - #188133230 added by dreadnaor at lowly exciting Antelope

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From what I hear, the Russians are angry at the suggestion that their government would operate in such a disgusting, dishonorable, vile manner.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world watching this show can only wonder how they could think it happened ANY differently.

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not only that, they're making their own show to "set the record straight" thus proving they engage in propagana to decieve people

#46 to #44 - SenatorGalpatine

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They're going to really give a hell of a lot of credit to CIA by saying that their country was brought to its knees by one guy, lmao.

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#6 to #1 - nomadfourohthree

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Actually, many of us are pleasantly surprised by how well the series is made. I haven't heard a bad opinion from people I've spoken to myself.

#47 to #6 - lundh

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ahaha great meme my russian friend

#38 to #6 - Silver Quantum

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i'm sure by "russians" they meant government officials, not actual citizens

#23 to #6 - blaecmain

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It's probably just a vocal minority then that is upset.

#34 to #23 - nomadfourohthree

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Yeah man, even my dealer told me it was great and that I should watch it.

#11 to #6 - Milvath

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Apparently the belarussian woman is an invented character to represant wymon

#13 to #11 - nomadfourohthree

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Actually not, I really like the idea for her character - she is the representation of all the other scientists who helped Legasov to fix the catastrophe.

#10 to #6 - SenatorGalpatine

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Btw, obviously the attempt to scrub Valery Legasov from the history books was unsucessful, I know. The scientific community, both of the world and within Russia, wouldn't allow it.

I remember reading an article though saying how it 'wasn't accurate' that he was kept isolated from all human contact until the day he killed himself because his wife and daughter were eventually allowed to take care of him when he became to weak and feeble to take care of himself."

#9 to #6 - SenatorGalpatine

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I thought it was epic. Sort of a real-life sci-fi horror film. From the outside looking in (also hindsight is 20/20) it seemed like every decision made for the first 24 hours was intentionally the wrongest decision possible in the given circumstances.

But the big punch line was when it revealed that the people who built the reactor knew about the incredible flaw of the AZ-5 emergency shut-down button... but the KGB redacted the warnings regarding it from the operators manual because they didn't want there to be any perception that their nuclear reactor was anything short of 100% safe... leading to the misuse of the button and power plant exploding.

I'm glad that ya'll Ruskies are watching it and appreciating it though. I love historical drama. It's a shame this one came at such a needless high cost of human life.

By the way, how do you all feel about the Russian government's refusal to acknowledge the servicemembers, citizens, etc... who died during this disaster? Refusal to acknowledge that they died in the first place, to me, is to refuse to asknowledge their incredible sacrifices.

Also, how do you all feel about Valery Legasov being erased from history for revealing the state secret regarding how the AZ-5 button could cause an explosion in the right conditions?

Also, how do you all feel about the new documentary being made by your government around the idea that a CIA agent, working alone, managed to bypass all the safeties on the nuclear reactor in order to cause it to explode?

#17 to #9 - nomadfourohthree

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Yeah, the USSR was getting really radical with the KGB at a few points in time. But it was in a ----ty place the last decade of its existence. My mother told me that everyone felt things weren't going to go well after Brezhnev died. But she always remained incredibly objective and taught me to be so as well. So she, as well as I recognise that the Soviet Union had a lot of bad things and ----, however, there were many things that were pretty great, like Education, Healthcare, good normal daily life, if you're a hardworking Soviet citizen. Even though she even was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, she wasn't a fanatical communist then, just as she isn't radically anti-communist now. But I digress.

Regarding the acknowledgement of the people who died, I am not really familiar with the exact numbers. Though I can tell you that though Yeltsin was a ----ing disaster, he did do one or two things right. One of which was to posthumously award Legasov the Hero of the Russian Federation, which is the greatest honour. So that also kind of answers the next question as well.

And regarding the documentary, I'd have to look into that, first I hear of it. But it's not surprising, I barely keep up with anything irl at the moment. I study medicine, it's exam session and it's pretty much hermit life for these two months.

#20 to #17 - SenatorGalpatine

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What field of medicine? Also, do you feel that the Russian government has learned anything since Chernobyl regarding the cost of keeping secrets, or are the same practices in place today that are depicted in the film... or perhaps the film is exaggerated too much?

Btw, I read your entire comment in a heavy Russian accent.

#12 to #9 - dinokilla

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I havent seen the show yet. But I've heard good things.
Does the russian goverment not acknowledge chernobyl? If they dont thats horrific.
Erasing ANYONE from history is always bad.
Theres a uk goverment based documentary about the cia causing chernobyl? Hell yeah I'd watch that. That sounds sick.

#15 to #12 - SenatorGalpatine

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Government officials all across the board either totally refuse to acknowledge the severity of the incident, or they know full well the severity of the incident and still refuse to do the right thing (evacuate people, let the world know the true extent of the damage).

For instance, they asked Japan for a robot to help push the EXTREMELY radioactive graphite off the roof (90 seconds of exposure from 10 feet away from a single piece = you will die in under 5 years and looking over the edge of the roof meant you'd die in a matter of weeks, so sending people to clean it up would be death sentences).

Japan was happy to oblige, and asked what levels of radition the robot would need to withstand. The Russian government lied, downplaying the insane severity of the radiation levels, so the Japanese built the robot to withstand only the modest amount of radiation quoted. The robot fried the second it was placed on the roof and was non-functional. This led to the Russians using people anyway, equiping thousands of men with shovels and sending them up onto the roof in pairs with a time limit of 90 seconds each to try and shovel as much graphite off the roof as possible, knowing these men were basically being sent to their deaths. Many of them got too close to the graphite with either their hands or their feet, and had to get amputations due to the severe levels of total cell-death threatening their lives with gangrene..

#18 to #15 - nomadfourohthree

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In the show it was Germany who provided the robot, West-Germans that is. And as a matter of fact, most of those men who shovelled that graphite off the roof actually survived and are still alive today, in reality, which is actually a pleasant fact.

#22 to #18 - SenatorGalpatine

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"Following the dissolution of the USSR in the 1990s, the health of liquidators has proved difficult to monitor. This has been compounded by Russia’s reluctance to provide the true figures for the disaster, or even on make serious estimates. The authorities agree that 28 workers lost their lives to acute radiation sickness, while another 106 of the liquidators were treated and survived. But the health toll for the survivors continues to be a matter of debate. One advocacy group, the Chernobyl Union, says 90,000 of the 200,000 surviving liquidators have major long-term health problems."

Another good article: You need to login to view this link

#21 to #18 - SenatorGalpatine

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Thought it was Japanese for some reason. Just scrubbed back through the episode. The robot was named the 'joker' so I wonder if the Germans guessed that the Russians were lying about the radiation levels and built it to their spec anyway. Would be a sick joke, but the Germans are known for their dark humor, and I'm sure they weren't tickled by the fact that their children couldn't go outside due to the amount of radiation in the air at the time.

I'm shocked that the Russian government kept tabs on all of them to keep track of how many died prematurely of cancer. From what I heard, they refuse to keep statistics regarding this incident to this day, and claim the death toll is only at 31 people (the power plant workers who got buried under rubble basically).

The best figure I can get regarding the fates of the 'biorobots' who dared step foot where even robots could not go due to insane radiation levels, is that of the 600,000 'liquidators' who worked on the clean-up, 4,000 are known to have died from cancer, and a further 70,000 are now disabled as a result of radiation exposure.

An interesting article: You need to login to view this link

#16 to #15 - dinokilla

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Was that during the event or after? I thought you said The russians STILL havent acknowledged Chernobyl. Not during the event. Because That makes sense ofcourse the soviets wouldnt let the world know.
But yeah I know about the event. ---- was wack especially when they sent a few engineers through tanks of radioactive water to turn off an emergency valve just to pay them in cans of soda.

So yeah. Has the CURRENT government not acknowledged chernobyl?

#19 to #16 - nomadfourohthree

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Of course.

#7 to #6 - fluffysteal

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which series is it?

#8 to #7 - dreadnaor

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Chernobyl from HBO.

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#2 to #1 - LilLX [OP]

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I'm russian and every russian I ever met hated the Soviet government. Everybody knew they were spied on and lied to like crazy. I don't know anyone who lived there that would defend this system and become angry at the series.

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a german russian.... thats atleast a few tenners