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#1 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/19/2017)[-]

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Everyone should be armed, crime rates would drop dramatically, no one's gonna pull out a gun and start shooting if there's 30 other people who have guns too, look at switzerland, practically everyone has a weapon there, and they have low crime rates

I'm ready for the dissenting opinions

#194 to #1 - twixtor

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I agree with you, if every person had a gun even the most desperate folks will think twice about robbing the nearest liquor store.

Think about it like this, no one's going to try to **** with apu, if the other cashier is polishing his new glock 40 in the chair behind him. The other shoppers have baretta's .45 acp and even the granny leaving her buick is packing a p238 tucked away in her brassiere.

Daquan is now reconsidering applying for McDonald's after seeing that much chrome at 7-11.

There will always be accidents, sure, yet even the worst case scenario, a bunch of dindus hold up a walmart as their new trap house, they would be flushed out eventually, by a good samaritan with a couple of mags from his barrett 50 cal, camping from across the parking lot.

Besides, I kinda like it when a lot of people die. makes jobs for the survivors

#199 to #194 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/20/2017)[-]

see that's the kind of scenarios i had in mind when i wrote that comment, i've seen a lot of footage from conceal carry places, mainly florida where someone tries to rob a store and 3 people pull guns on them and it's over

#181 to #1 - anon id: 64870ae6

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(01/20/2017)[-]

to be fair, in switzerland, i believe you arent allowed to keep ammo in your home with the gun, you have to go to a range and buy it and shoot it there

#178 to #1 - manholefreddy

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(01/20/2017)[-]

It would seem that way until you consider that there are more suicides in the US than homicides. And if my perspective of things is correct, a lot of us are just sad people wearing happy masks the numbers I got is 10-20 million people . So while guns have acted as a deterrent to crimes before, I don't think giving them out to everyone it's a risk worth taking. Even if you gave out guns to every depressed person in America and only .1% use it, that's still 10,000-20,000 extra deaths. If there was something that we need to make available to most/all people, I believe it's self-defense martial arts. Not only is it a safer admittedly unguaranteed, but pretty much everything is unguaranteed anyway so... option, it'll also slim down some of the fatties in this country.

And what everyone else said.

I like this discussion.

#168 to #1 - anon id: 0daca943

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(01/20/2017)[-]

welp: if you don't give evry ******* idiot a gun, this won't happen. at least like this. of course someone will commit a crime but without a actual gun it won't happen far less often. for example: germany has a **** ton og burglarries, but they are mo0st of the time solved by the cops and no one gets shot. i'd say that is a win. if no one (and in this sernse i mean in a regular wy) can get a gun, you don't need one to defend yourself. i think that is one problem of the USA.

#163 to #1 - anon id: 1a0fc0fa

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(01/20/2017)[-]

If everyone was armed we would be ****** because everyone has emotions and there are alot of people that can get upset in some way. Plus like we have a bunch of retards in our society. Even if someone wasn't angry, they could be depressed then kill themselves. More guns would not solve crimrates it would increase them.
And another point you want to argue if you look at countrys that took guns away from its citizens crimrate has dropped. But that's not gonna happen in the states, People love guns too much there.

#161 to #1 - reaperoxide

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(01/20/2017)[-]

lmao Americans truly are a lost cause.

#143 to #1 - Trophy

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(01/20/2017)[-]

But the average person in Switzerland does not/can not carry a gun in public. They have very strict carrying laws. People have personal guns for hunting and recreation rather than security over there, different mindset.

Carrying laws:
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#150 to #143 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/20/2017)[-]

#154 to #150 - Trophy

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(01/20/2017)[-]

To be honest until very recently (a couple months ago) I was not aware of it either and it has helped to change my opinion. I believe it is more of a cultural/gang problem in the US than a gun one. But with that being said I think because of the cultural problem there should be more stringent gun laws. I like to think they're working well here in Canada

Yes I realize I look like commie Canada coming to take away your guns

#171 to #154 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/20/2017)[-]

****** leaf coming to take mah guns, I'mma take your tim hortons and see how you like it!

Yeah, the gang problem is the one of the biggest factors

#140 to #1 - sayyeh

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Nah, it'd be anarchy in the streets because people are retarded. who needs bad guys when everyone is trying to be a ******* hero. this isn't an anime, no one is the main character even though they're trying to be - it's real life. that extreme course of action would do a lot more harm than good.

#198 to #140 - lonerider

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I disagree. I think you think people think life is an anime. Most people aren't mild autists who want to go out and be a hero. If everyone is armed, then those "special" individuals feel less special cause everyone is just as capable of them. That being said, literally EVERYONE being armed is kinda weird so I see your point.

#209 to #198 - sayyeh

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(01/20/2017)[-]

the average person believes they are smarter and more capable than the average person. That's a fact. Now give everyone a gun and work your way forward thinking it out.

#135 to #1 - bellrunner

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Alright, I'll play devil's advocate. What happens in a dark _____ (movie theatre, club, street corner, etc) when someone opens fire, if everyone start pulling out guns? How do these untrained (or random levels of trained/level headedness) civilians react to sudden gunshots? Do they open fire randomly? Even if they ALL, by some miracle, correctly confirm the initial shooter(s) over the quickly reacting civilians, you'd better believe that there's going to be insane friendly fire. It would be utter chaos. And what happens when the police or swat or national guard arrive? Terrorists or crazies could hide amongst the panicking multitudes, innocents will be running around firearms, etc. What happens when a bystander, wielding his legal self defense pistol, tries to flag down the cops?

And you'd better not tell me "well bellrunner, everyone would be trained and would act accordingly!" because if that was true, then we wouldn't have ******* thousands of car accident casualties every year. And that's ignoring the fact that, no matter how much training people have, you have no way to predict how they will react in a violent crisis. Some of them might just start shooting at random out of sheer panic.

As an example, there was a Berkeley shooting last year, and when swat was swarming the campus, a bunch of the students thought that the "men wearing all black, carrying rifles" WERE the shooters. People thought there were multiple shooters. There was one guy, who killed his professor. That was it. Now imagine if those swat men were just random people running around campus with their guns, looking for "the bad guys." What would happen if they ran into another group with the same idea?

#197 to #135 - twixtor

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(01/20/2017)[-]

You announce yourself before opening fire, you don't "hunt" down the baddies, they usually make themselves known eventually. No one is going to risk their lives running thrugh hallways chasing a school shooter, this **** isn't laser tag.

Yeah people are stupid, but do not underestimate the skill that some possess.

#200 to #197 - bellrunner

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(01/20/2017)[-]

That's the thing: I don't underestimate skilled civilian shooters. It's just that I also don't underestimate human stupidity, or the lengths some people will go to when in sheer panic. An example would be a person sobbing or screaming uncontrollably when trying to hide from, say, an office shooter. Just translate that into having a gun, and let's say... opening fire on the first person they see (like a cop, or another person fleeing the gunman).

Also, I'm just spitballing. This post was meant to be in the spirit of devil's advocating, not an earnest attempt to sway people. Considering conflicting views is always a good way to deepen or hone your beliefs and opinions. They either change upon finding new information (which is growth), or they become more steadfast upon overcoming alternate views (which is depth).

#138 to #135 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/20/2017)[-]

That's honestly a pretty good scenario i didn't consider. i wrote this thinking of the scenarios in like, Florida where someone tries to mug someone or rob a store and 3 people immediately draw weapons on him and it's over

#131 to #1 - severian

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Would everybody stop ******* posting this pic and unpopular opinion puffin on here accompanied with **** you know damn well is NOT an unpopular opinion?

#132 to #131 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/20/2017)[-]

actually, most of the people commenting are disagreeing with me, if you look at who thumbed me, it was actually a pretty close thing, this is a controversial opinion and i wanted to spark some discussion amongst people here

#126 to #1 - arandomanon

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(01/20/2017)[-]

You can go to Switzerland and open a shop just leaving a sign that says "please, get what you need and leave the box" without anyone watching and days can pass before anyone stealing so your example is awful because there are other reasons you are conveniently ignoring like their culture and their lack of *******.

#153 to #126 - toosexyforyou

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(01/20/2017)[-]

"good culture" and "lack of *******" are the same thing, aren't they?

#206 to #153 - arandomanon

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Not necesarily. See slavic countries.

#125 to #1 - funnytime

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(01/20/2017)[-]

kids are stupid and if every student could shoot any time, some kiddyfights starting with fists could end with shot kids in the end

#115 to #1 - Epicflail

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Adding more guns is only going to get more people killed though. I'm pro gun, but there are some people out there who shouldn't have a gun for good reasons (idiots and the mental).

If you are going to use Switzerland as your argument you should also point out they have better training and to carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors a person must have a gun carrying permit, which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

#104 to #1 - Ballbreaker

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(01/19/2017)[-]

yeah but they are ******* educated

#100 to #1 - seniorawesomesauce

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(01/19/2017)[-]

highest crime rates are in states with the lowest gun restrictions

#146 to #100 - anbis

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Or maybe its the oposite: the states that have most crimes started to implement gun restricting laws not vice versa. What you are saying is state starts to restrict guns -> gun related crimes increase, I am saying that it was a lot of gun violence-> lets make gun restriction laws

#101 to #100 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Actually, Chicago, Detroit, and i think New Orleans, have some of the strictest gun control

#102 to #101 - seniorawesomesauce

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(01/19/2017)[-]

are those states.

#103 to #102 - jacksipian#89 on commentsRank#89

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(01/19/2017)[-]

oh my bad, i was thinking cities. my bad, I'm retarded

#92 to #1 - cackrel

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(01/19/2017)[-]

**cackrel used "*roll picture*"**
**cackrel rolled image**Most of the guns in Switzerland are locked away in a safe at home and the ammo is regulated by the government if I remember correctly.

#129 to #92 - LTB

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Not entirely true on the ammo bit.
Ammunition you receive from the government funded ranges must be shot and kept at those ranges, but ammunition you buy yourself can be kept at home

Source (A Brit living in Switzerland): www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHmvoyIlKI (3:43)

#90 to #1 - crimsonsunshine

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(01/19/2017)[-]

It also helps to have a low rate of blacks in your country as well.

#88 to #1 - Abortedwafflez

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(01/19/2017)[-]

...do you honestly think "More guns!" is the solution to lowering gun crimes? A bit ridiculous if you ask me.

There's many factors that attribute to gun violence, saying something as simple as arming more civilians isn't a realistic nor effective means of achieving this goal.

#207 to #88 - cackrel

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(01/20/2017)[-]

**cackrel used "*roll picture*"**
**cackrel rolled image**Personally I think the problem is not guns, but rather the lack of psychiatric care in the US.

#208 to #207 - Abortedwafflez

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I think that is a factor as well. When people have problems here in America typically it's" take these pills" and be off with your day. But not every murderer is mentally insane or disturbed.

There's also cultural and economical factors. Such as minorities glorifying gang activity and living in primarily poor areas. No one is willing to clean out these areas with better education, housing, business, or even policing for that matter. So they will remain in the state that they are, just gangs killing each other and continuing the cycle. I focuses on gang violence in inner cities for some reason, I'm not sure if those are where most gun crimes happen, but if I had guess that would be my bet.

#210 to #208 - cackrel

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(01/21/2017)[-]

I agree with you, it has been shown that culture does have an effect on mental disorders, such as schizophrenia, in the Western world schizos tend to hear "bad" voices, while in India as an example they are very often positive or even reassuring.
We need to change as a whole to actually make an impact on the mental behavior of people and unity starts out with the individual, so we need to strive to become the society which we want to live in.
Also the notion that people with psychiatric disorders can't be cured, only managed, so what happens there is that people tend to view themselves as a sick person for life, instead of individuals who have these tendencies that can be managed, through psychiatric help and sometimes medication, however in a lot of cases you don't need medications, only a change of a worldview or a massive change in their life, such as environment.
Hikkikomoris in Japan is a great example of this, due to heavy anxiety or depression isolate themselves from society, however isn't the question then there is society wrong instead of the individual?

#107 to #88 - rossodonavanv

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(01/19/2017)[-]

#120 to #107 - Abortedwafflez

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I have no idea how to link comments properly so I'll just quote comment #3:

"This meme got thoroughly disproved in the comments of the original posting.

Also, gun laws are the result of high gun crime, not the other way around."

#121 to #120 - Abortedwafflez

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I need to sleep or something, meant Comment #53.

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#78 to #1 - checkemninja

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(01/19/2017)[-]

you're right though

#73 to #1 - anon id: d7589a2e

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(01/19/2017)[-]

As much as I want to agree, the proof has shot the "guns stop crime" argument exactly as much as "guns cause crime" argument. Taking guns out of the picture OR giving them out effects nothing. Crime is crime, guns are just a tool, a gun is equally as capable fo stopping crime as giving everyone a arming sword, or a wrench, and telling them to nuts.

#165 to #73 - thehonorableway

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(01/20/2017)[-]

I announce my bias right now and say I carry a weapon everyday in the chicago area. that being said you are right about the concept of more guns less crime both ways arguement. I have always been a firm believer that opportunity and and the destruction of poverty in an area is the best way to solve gun violence in the ghetto's. But I would make the argument that he is more likely pointing out the problem of gun free zones in upper class neighborhoods being targeted by mass shooters who live in the area . the proposed idea would drastically cut down response time to meet force with force. I disagree with the teacher statement; not on a moral ground but, in that, an armed guard or two in every school with a small secured arsenal would be much more economical. It's good enough for banks and jewelry stores right?

#114 to #73 - anon id: 7f1b8ff5

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(01/20/2017)[-]

He's right do you guys think ******* care about consequences or potential retaliation? All they think about is instant gratification. They don't think about what happens after when they want something they want it now.

if you wanna lower crime rates it's easy just legalise abortion so the teenage girls in the city stop getting knocked up and end up raising kids without fathers or any semblance of authority in their lives

BAM women stop bitching about their health care in laws city get less ignorant black kids running around rioting making everything worse for everyone else

there is literally no downsides

#160 to #114 - anon id: ba3d151a

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Except for the whole "killing your kid because you thought it was a good idea to commit ***** ***** sucky sucky with some jack who up and ran" part.

Personally, if I had the power, I would
1)Focus sex education on birth control as well as std prevention, because people are gonna smash whether you tell them to or not
2)Prevent abortions from occurring unless the baby is already dead or extremely messed up, and would jeopardize the life of the mother
3)Vastly improve the foster care system in the US so that single mothers don't have to be single mothers if they can't handle it; they can simply give their newborn child away to be raised in an institution that has the appropriate means not only to provide basic needs for the child, but to make sure said child becomes a law-abiding, prepped-for-life citizen.

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#106 to #73 - rossodonavanv

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(01/19/2017)[-]

#60 to #1 - upyourarsinal

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(01/19/2017)[-]

#59 to #1 - anon id: 31628f3d

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(01/19/2017)[-]

I'd agree with the exception that everyone be well educated first. If someone's going to be entrusted with the power to end someone's life to protect themselves, they should have to show that they aren't going to hurt someone else on accident.

#57 to #1 - iwaswithyourmum

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Yes everyone has guns... but no ammo, your comment is thus invalid

#48 to #1 - autoxx

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Guns aren't the problem...

#53 to #48 - anon id: 765e0383

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(01/19/2017)[-]

This meme got thoroughly disproved in the comments of the original posting.

Also, gun laws are the result of high gun crime, not the other way around.

#56 to #53 - autoxx

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(01/19/2017)[-]

American gun laws are statistically the result of high minority populations.

#192 to #56 - anon id: bf5f2b23

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(01/20/2017)[-]

The size of your ass is statistically the result of high minority populations. Both these statements are about as true.

#196 to #192 - autoxx

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(01/20/2017)[-]

The size of the average ass statistically increases with a high black population.

#124 to #56 - anon id: e741953c

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(01/20/2017)[-]

No they aren't. That doesn't even make sense.

#46 to #1 - wedgehead

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Have you seen Mad Max?

#22 to #1 - europe

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Switzerland is a terrible example because people don't carry guns around in Switzerland like they do in America, so there is no case of crime being prevented by armed citizens.

#63 to #22 - talldumbdork

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(01/19/2017)[-]

They simply dont have the same socioeconomic issues that populated US cities have. Haven't heard of many hardcore gAngs in switzerland, or massive drug/gun trades illegally. Switzerland also doesn't have even close to the diversity of cultures US has to deal with, with many cultures conflicting with each other. Apples and oranges.

#69 to #63 - europe

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Yes, but still
The entire fact that they do not carry the weapons around proves that the low crime rates has nothing to do with criminals being afraid of being shot by armed civilians

#41 to #22 - lean

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Not really. Everyone has easily accessible guns in switzerland but shootings aren't an issue. That tells you it's not related to the guns but to the culture.

We have a gang problem in the state.

#8 to #1 - captainprincess

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(01/19/2017)[-]

switzerland likely has other reasons for it's low crime rate, specifically cultural ones
I doubt its purely just the threat of every household being armed, given that their ammunition is locked away by law

Noone there is walking around armed, their homes are where the weapons are

#3 to #1 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

That's stupid and you're stupid. And I'm gonna tell you why.

First off, more guns means more gun accidents. Every year a bunch of people accidentally injure themselves or others with guns due to stupid mistakes. More guns will cause that number to go up. That's just a fact of life. People will do something stupid, and then BAM!

Second off, your point about people not starting **** because everyone is armed. Now, it's a good point, but you're forgetting something. People are stupid. Like, really stupid. People will do really stupid things from time to time. Whether it's stress, or they're just not in a great place mentally, or whatever, sometimes people just snap. But what would be a relatively harmless shouting match without a gun can very easily result in a tragedy if they're armed. And that ties in to the big problem with guns being widely available. Guns are fast. Nearly instant, in fact. All it takes is one pull of the trigger. There's no time for second thoughts. No time for your voice of reason to say "Hey! This is a really bad idea!". Just... clickBAM.

#195 to #3 - imoriginalposter

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(01/20/2017)[-]

Literally the only valid anti-gun argument I ever heard, kudos to you mr maplesyrup man

#81 to #3 - checkemninja

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Point being,they won't be able to get 30 or 40 people before being brought down,just one or two at the most before getting lit up

#80 to #3 - terminalinfinity

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Except what you're talking about has already been tried before. Kennesaw, Georgia. And those "stupid" people smartened up real quick. The result? The lowest violent crime rate per capita in the WORLD. Not the United States, the world.

Stupidity is a luxury that can only exist when the elements of natural selection are retarded or disabled. When people literally have to consider that the other person is armed before they opened their mouth, well, as Rick from Fallout NV said

"An armed society is a polite society"

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#87 to #80 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

The ordinance you're talking about in Kennesaw was passed in 1982. After a quick check, I can't really find any statistics for their crime rate beforehand. Not surprising, as at the time they would have had ~5000 people living there. And I'm gonna need a source on it being the lowest in violet crime per capita in the world.

#79 to #3 - anon id: d7589a2e

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(01/19/2017)[-]

your wrong on every single point. Accidents with guns are no more dangerous than accidents with knives and are in fact less common. Tools are tools, it is not the place of the government to ban because idiots might be idiots. we might as well ban extentions courts because people run them through pools.

On crime, no. guns have no effect on crime in any direction. This has been discussed and run several times. they are means to an end, nothing more, nothing less.

All I see is a bunch of deeply emotional fear-mongering, intended or otherwise. And dude, misanthropy is a color that fits nobody.

#89 to #79 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

1 - Yes. Yes they are. Incredibly so.
2 - Guns aren't tools. They're weapons.
3 - It actually IS the place of the government to ban things because of their potential for misuse, especially if said misuse could also cause harm to someone else.
4 - I'll take your word on the fact that guns don't affect how often crimes occur, since I can't be assed to look for it. But does that also include the severity and number of the injuries/deaths of said crimes?
5 - Yeah, it's not fear mongering. I'm not trying to make people afraid of guns. I'm pointing out that handing guns out like candy is a bad idea.

#42 to #3 - lean

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Statistically insignificant, accidents. 400,000,000 guns in the US and accidents measure in the hundreds. If that were cars it would make volvo look like a deathtrap.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature when it's faced with a very real possibility of being ventilated. 99% of people who bluster, fight, and cause a scene do so because everybody backs down and they can get away with it. When someone has a gun that extra bit of fear makes people want to reason over fight. A loudmouth with a gun doesn't live very long.

Google the old west and try to figure how many gunfights actually happened. There weren't many at all, and nearly everyone older than 12 carried a gun almost all the time.

#20 to #3 - Desdenne

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Actually in FBI statistics there are more civilian gun accidents than civilians actually protecting them selves.

Also In swiss don't the majority have military training? And there are tight restrictions on when/how/where to travel with guns and large restrictions on ammo?

Also the gun culture in the u.s. is a little crazy, side arm is one thing but anything bigger you're only getting it cause its cool

#21 to #20 - Desdenne

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Id like to add to my comment I gave a quick look, (its 2:30 am so this is all ya get) and I couldn't find the exact documents i was thinking of however I found 1 from FBI and CDC. Im not sure if they are 100% use the same statistics or not... but i think its interesting to think about.

www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf ( I think this is for 2015)
The CDC puts there death by accidental discharge at 586.... 36 under the age of 15 that makes me sad

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-...

Where as the FBI puts (justifiable homicides) with firearms at 268

now these are both small numbers,Though people do bring up protection when a gun issue is talked about and neglect accidents either to the operator or someone else.

Both do not include nonfatal statistics, which I would be interested in looking at too.

Me bringing this up isn't me saying, look at these statistics you are wrong think this way. I think its quite an interesting talking point that not a lot of the louder voices talk about in the media. Every situation is different, and guns can be cool, heck I like guns and my personal opinions though are not to keep things they way they are I still think they can be a decent hobby and really cool to collect and drool over.

#45 to #21 - lean

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Kleck and Gertz did a study in 1995 estimating guns were brandished defensively 2.5 million times per year resulting in a de-escalated crime or potential crime. That means a gun is used 80 times for defense for every murder committed with one.
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The FBI itself admits that civilian carry reduces murder, rape, assault, and burglary, there are many arguments to what extent.

Average shooting deaths of "mass shooting" when stopped by citizens is 2.3. The average when stopped by police is 14.3.
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#9 to #3 - vashstampede

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(01/19/2017)[-]

sure, there will be shootings which if everyone had a gun then that shooting wont be a mass shooting and accidental injuries which can be reduced with mandatory gun safety training. look at chicago and detroit with the highest amount of gun violence in the US. They have made it impossible to own a gun. Go to other places like arizona or texas and you have a low amount of gun violence. Getting rid of guns will only apply to law abiding citizens. criminals will keep their guns despite the laws and shoot up places where they know people can fight back.

#11 to #9 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Mmm, yes and no. You're certainly right that getting rid of all guns won't help anything. If someone wants something badly enough, they'll get their hands on it. And there are good reasons to own a gun. Hell, my dad lived out in the country, and he had a gun. He needed one in case a coyote or something came after one of our dogs. It was rare, but it happened in that area. I'm more against "let's give everyone guns, and then there won't be any more shootings".

Think about it. I'd hazard a guess that you like guns. Fair enough. As such, you probably would be interested in learning how to use it properly, not shoot your own dick off, etc. But what about the people who don't give a rat's ass about guns, and therefore, likely won't pay attention to stuff like that? Or worse, the immature psycho ones who think being able to shoot that guy that pisses you off is great?

In all, I don't think I'd have a problem with guns being widely available, if everyone was reasonable, stayed safe and the like.

#12 to #11 - vashstampede

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Ok I understand and agree with your position better now. Yeah not everyone needs a gun theres plenty of unstable people and unrestricted access can be a danger to society. Its just if good people cant defend themselves we will see more pulse gay bar mass shootings than ever.

#14 to #12 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Yeah, and I can see where you're coming from too. I mean, there's not really a better alternative. Even with the best police/swat/whatever in the world, it still takes time for them to react to stuff like that. And that time often costs people their lives. Seems as if, like so much in life, there's no perfect answer. We just gotta do the best we can.

Now, if you're excuse me, I'm gonna peace out. I'm tired, hungry and sore. Good debate. Night.

#13 to #12 - vashstampede

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(01/19/2017)[-]

I like debating with people without throwing insults. I like you.

#15 to #13 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Same.

#10 to #9 - vashstampede

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(01/19/2017)[-]

can't

#5 to #3 - anon id: 2b2f5be3

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Thats why there are so many accidents in NRA meetings, oh wait....

#6 to #5 - aaklid

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(01/19/2017)[-]

Yeah, where everyone's an adult and gun safety is something they stress. What happens when a teen, knowing dick all, gets their hands on a gun? Or a child, for that matter?

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