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#2 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/06/2012) [-]
Not only did he silence them, he did it with facts and sound logic.
#410 to #2 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Just because the guy speaking SOUNDS like he knows what he's talking about and the girl SOUNDS like a moron, doesn't mean that the guy is right. The same principle goes for anyone. If one was to look up the things that he is saying, one would find that some is true, and some is not. For example, he said that the Taliban are created by the CIA. This is false. I won't go into too much detail for the sake of keeping this comment fairly short, but the gist of it is: remember to think objectively, and remember it is always best to check for oneself what is true and what is not. The guy speaking makes Americans sound much worse than what they are, which is not fair due to his unsound arguments.
#418 to #410 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Actually he makes the US sound exactly like it is. You may not like hearing it, but it's the truth.
#465 to #418 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
No, you're absolutely wrong. If you were to do some research like me, you would find that the "conspiracy theories" that he is talking about are completely bogus. Let me be more specific- the USA never tried to take any of the oil from their country. Our skyrocketing gas prices prove this. According to what was told to American troops of all ranks, and civilians, his so-called invasion of Afganistan was partially an act of essentially what is good will, and partially an act of defense. The attacks that occur within Afganistan are focused on assassinating terrorist leaders, ambushing terrorist groups, and bombing territories that are known to have terrorist bases in them. These bombings do not usually occur in major cities, as it is all too easy to imagine. US troops ARE NOT out there to kill Afgan civilians, especially if they are of no threat to them. Many of the deaths that occurred were because of displacement, starvation, disease, exposure, lack of medical treatment, crime and lawlessness resulting from the war. Obviously, stray bullets are always an issue with any sort of war. Over the decade that this war has been going on, 10000 deaths is a miniscule number. Compare this to what the terrorists did in one day- 3000 murders of innocent Americans- the reason for fighting the terrorist groups is painfully obvious. Helping to establish a strong government is something that will both strengthen the country and provide safety to those fearing a corrupt or weak government (Taliban-led, terrorism). As for claiming that the Taliban were "a creation of the CIA," that is completely false. The Taliban are one of the Mujahideen (holy warrior) groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afganistan in 1979-1988. The student was right that they were formed during a war against the Soviets, but they were not created by the CIA. The US supplied money+arms to Afganistan, in an attempt to fight off their mutual foe: the Soviets.
#471 to #465 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I actually have done my research dear sir. There is plenty of evidence showing that the US supplied and trained the Taliban to fight soviets. We have also killed thousands of civilians in bombs of their countries. There is proof of that. Rising gas prices have to do with them raising the price of oil from said countries, and transport. That has been in the news all over the world, but I guess you didn't see or read anything on that. The US has simply become a bully to countries around the world, thinking it knows best. If the US keeps it up the wars won't stay over-seas.
#676 to #471 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
This is an absolute truth; the united states does **** like this all the time. Bolivia a similar but exactly similar example of how the CIA trains soldiers to do their dirty work. Because 'murica doesn't want to get their hands dirty.
#497 to #471 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I already addressed the issue of collateral damage in war. Again, over about a decade of war, 10000 deaths is not a lot. Yeah, obviously of one person raises the price of oil for another, the other has to pay more. How much more obvious could that be? The reason the prices are going up is because the supplies are going out, and we all know that. If the US wanted cheaper oil, an obvious business tactic would be to take over the territory that owns it, right? This whole conflict is not about oil. The US is assisting a weakened country in reforming their political system with one that is not so focused on terrorism.
#510 to #497 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
The supplies are not going out. are you really that ignorant? My god, do you not pay attention to what goes on in the world? It is funny how we are helping people who do not want it. I have many solider buddies that served in the wars. The people over there want us gone and have for quite some time. Where the **** are you getting only 10,000 killed in the wars? This is why I say try doing some actual research. They number of just civilian deaths in Irag alone is close to 100,000.
#543 to #510 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Oil is not a renewable resource, and reports have shown that the amount in the Earth is running low. An old estimate projects that our supply will be out by 2050, but more recent studies are showing sooner. Hence the price rises. Again, you are misinformed. You shouldn't be accusing me of being misinformed when you obviously know nothing about the subject. It doesn't make you seem very intelligent, just eager to argue.
#550 to #543 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
No you are just ignorant of the facts of why prices are rising. I actually do my research before debating a topic. But seeing your previous research abilities i can understand your ignorance. I grow bored of this though.
#579 to #550 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
It's called supply and demand. This is the most basic principle of economics, and I know all about it. I'm guessing you do too, congratulations. The main reason that I asked you to read my comments more thoroughly is because of your obvious and recurring misreadings of what I said. The most obvious (which is why I didn't feel it necessary to readdress) was the number that you had issue with- 10,000 versus 100,000. I said in an earlier post that there were 10,000 civilian deaths in Afghanistan, due to stray bullets etc. (collateral damage). I believe you misunderstood what this number pertains to. I got my information from a casualty report I found online, which is credible by PhD.

As for my research abilities, I have just as much research ability as anyone with a brain and an internet connection.

Luckily for me I have both, unlike you.

I am tired of your chatter. Good night sir.
#589 to #579 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
The number 100,000 civilian deaths is due to "collateral damage". That is from UN documentation. The document states that they believe the number to be even higher. I think I will go ahead and stick with my sources.
#603 to #589 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
10000 civilians killed over the decade, wounded and still living aren't included. This is only in Afghanistan. I'm pretty sure your source is wrong. Someone else commented that it was 10000 deaths later down in the top comments, too, by the way.
#626 to #603 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I believe it was you who said they got their information from BBC for the 10,000 in the last decade. Yet BBC clearly states that the death toll for civilians is, at the minimum, 11,864 in the past five years for Afghanistan, and the Iraq death toll was over 34,000 back in 2006. They estimate is it now around 100,000 civilian deaths for Iraq. You may want to re-check you time frames and numbers again.
#610 to #603 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Again this is from UN documentation of the last decade. That is just the death toll. That does not included wounded or living.
#477 to #471 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Sources? I want to read this.
#479 to #477 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I suggest you do some actual research. Considering all of this information is very easy to find I am going to go out on a limb and say your research skills are a bit lacking.
#483 to #479 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Sorry I was asking the guy who posted the 2 long posts my bad
#485 to #483 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Oh, sorry then for my comment.
#501 to #483 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Sorry I can't give URLs, but BBC is a big one, and Wikipedia for general info. Just Google all the conversation points I mentioned :)

Sorry about the lack of URLs! :/
#514 to #501 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Never cite Wikipedia. that makes you look like a child. The first rule you learn of citation is not to cite Wikipedia. Anyone can put together a Wikipedia page. Why do you think college professors do not allow Wikipedia as a reliable source.
#522 to #514 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Wikipedia is good if someone is looking for general quick info on something, so it's a good place to start. While not all Wiki pages are accurate, many are written by credible people. The reason professors don't allow Wikipedia as a source is because it isn't 100% reliable as a whole, even if it does have a lot of good information. Its weakness is that it is open for anyone to edit.
Again, I told him that Wikipedia is good for general info. I've noticed that you don't read what I say too accurately.
#524 to #522 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
A good rule of thumb is to avoid wikipedia all together. There are many people who enjoy just ******* with wikipedia pages. I read exactly what you wrote and I still stand by what I said.
#563 to #524 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
As much as you think that the one time you skimmed through what I sad was thorough enough, I beg to differ. Your comments have been varying from horrendously misinformed to outrageously biased, which is why I have asked you to actually put some effort into reading what I have said. Thank you.
#590 to #563 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
its time to stop posting.jpg
#611 to #590 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Just because there are posts here doesn't mean you have to be involved in them. I'm allowed to have a debate if I want to. Have a nice day.
#470 to #465 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
(cont.)
This help included supplying them with weapons of mass destruction, which were never found in later years, as the US wanted to get them back and out of now untrustworthy, terrorism-prone hands. This government involvement may have been what the student was talking about when he said that the CIA helped form the Taliban (who ran the government at that time).
#480 to #470 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Whoops wrong person lul :P
Sources??
#482 to #480 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Now I'm confused. Two different anons?
Now I'm confused. Two different anons?
#507 to #482 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
now 3!
#516 to #507 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/07/2012) [-]
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#702 to #2 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
"Facts and sound logic"?
At least half the things he said were completely wrong, the others were phrased to be intentionally misleading. The people in this video just rattled off talking points that draw applause from self-hating americans. We didn't invade iraq for oil, there is zero evidence to support that fact. The CIA didn't found the Taliban. They may have sold them guns, but they absolutely didn't create them. He completely dodges the question of 9/11; the worst terrorist attack in history that was committed by his people and instead cites acts of war on our part in response to their acts.

This scene is very clearly propaganda, it's disgusting that it appeals so much to kids these days. It speaks volumes about how poorly informed they are.
#711 to #702 - EvilFluffyBunny
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(06/08/2012) [-]
Actually dear sir there are facts to support all of his "claims" There is proof that the CIA funded and trained the Taliban. His point of 9/11 is that, yes is was a terrorist act that killed 3000 people, in our "justified" response more than 100,000 innocent civilians have been killed. Just because you don't like hearing it doesn't mean it isn't true.
#192 to #2 - alexusapi
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(06/07/2012) [-]
too bad many Americans are actually like the ones in the video and are completely oblivious to logic and reasoning. I might as well bring it up since they talk about Islam in the video but why are Americans so christian? they fall in the most religious category along with many African and uncultured countries. while Atheist countries include Sweden,Norway,Netherlands and japan etc. I actually wish that the US picks up their act and get some logical thinkers into the government and make some changes, the educational system is lacking, they don't know **** about other countries because they are so "patriotic" . they can't even learn about the world, they are raised with the mindset that the USA is the mid of it all and everything revolves around them, that their religion is correct and that their stuff and their culture is the only "correct" one.
#344 to #192 - corkscrew
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(06/07/2012) [-]
To be honest (inb4 red thumbs since I know I will get them from non-Amerifags) the US is the "middle of it all"

most countries wouldn't dare do anything on the international level without first consulting with the US
the global economy started going bad when the US's economy started to tank
we influence other countries more heavily than any would care to believe
#325 to #192 - pengish
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I'm american and i roughly knew most of those facts, some i never even heard. my guess is it is because our government wants to keep us in the dark so we blindly follow them. so they can do whatever they want. however we never even question this because we want to believe that were the good guys and don't want to hear that were not.
#619 to #192 - buzzyboi
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(06/07/2012) [-]
#529 to #192 - JoshBauer
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(06/07/2012) [-]
The U.S., like corkscrew said, is actually the "middle" of the world. Look at all the countries with people wearing American brands, driving American cars, using American weapons.
#573 to #529 - gespony
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most cars in europe are in fact european or asian, maybe 1/20 are american, also most weapons used by the defence forces (in belgium anyway) are european (famas/scar/FN2000). Those American brands you are talking about? Adidas/puma you mean, the creators weren't from america and are now created in asian countries. Yes you have a huge influence on the world economy, but so does Greece/europe. To bad those are bad influences. Or did you forgot that America became the biggest in the world only 60 years ago. (why do you think world maps are centered in europe)
#608 to #573 - makalza
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I basically agree with you, but i think that in USA they have map centered on america continent, as in asia they have maps centeret at asia contitnet (at least i think) but if you talk about Prime meridian then yes it centered in europe because Great britain basically invente timezones as we use them today (or i think so)   
Or maybe iam not a clever man :)
I basically agree with you, but i think that in USA they have map centered on america continent, as in asia they have maps centeret at asia contitnet (at least i think) but if you talk about Prime meridian then yes it centered in europe because Great britain basically invente timezones as we use them today (or i think so)
Or maybe iam not a clever man :)
#678 to #608 - gespony
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(06/07/2012) [-]
yes, Prime meridian, that was i was looking for but didn't know the word in english, thanks :p
#673 to #529 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
who is driving american cars? americans I bet hah. best cars are european.
but besides that, american weapons? you say america is the middle of it partly because of their weapon distributing around the world? that is a negative thing not something to be proud of.
corkscrew said it right, and you ... I dunno what you're trying to say but it's BS ;)
#700 to #673 - JoshBauer
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(06/07/2012) [-]
It's not a negative thing that the U.S. sells weapons, we're supplying your ****** country with things you can use to defend your ****** citizens.
#703 to #700 - mattginge
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Most E.U counties use E.U made weapons and czech weapons.
#5 - blacktothefuture
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(06/06/2012) [-]
I went to New York City once, and visited a bookshop in Manhattan. I was flicking through a CIA history book called "Legacy of Ashes" and someone came up to me and peered over my shoulder. They then shouted that I was a middle eastern terrorist to the whole store because the book was about how the CIA was a bad idea.

MFW i'm a white English male.
#156 - dethklokowns
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(06/07/2012) [-]
MFW it turns out the professor is a terrorist. I've seen it. It's an indian movie.
#366 to #156 - DrProfessorPatrick
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(06/07/2012) [-]
what is the name of this movie my good sir? i would like to watch it if its any good
#407 to #366 - dethklokowns
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Kurbaan (Sacrificed) my good sir. And I apologize for the spoiler Werttit but it does become quite apparent and isn't too much of a spoiler. You should still watch the movie with what it's random song and dance numbers. I'm positive you'll love it.
#362 to #156 - werttit
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(06/07/2012) [-]
but i was maybe going to watch it

#16 - Jesusnipples
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(06/06/2012) [-]
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It makes me sad to remember how many people actually think like the stupid bitch in this video
#272 - proudnerd
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(06/07/2012) [-]
This video is very misleading and flat-out wrong in some areas. First: the Taliban was not created by the CIA. I have no idea where he got that. It was created by Mohammed Omar as a result of a dream he had to end the chaos in his country. The 15000 number is off. There may be 15000 with militants, but the number over 8 years (2001-2009) is around 10000. And that is 9 years of warfare. Not all of those were killed by Americans, as many were killed by suicide bombers. That many over 8 years of warfare is not even comparable to 3000 killed in an unprovoked attack in ONE DAY. And another thing, we went there for oil? Then why did the gas prices skyrocket? If we did this all for oil, then why didn't we get any? Maybe he's right, while we were over there, striking back against a terrorist attack, we shoulda set up oil rigs and got us some oil. On the WMDs, the reason why we went over there was because they were refusing to grant us insepctions for WMDs. They were acting like they were hiding WMDs, and when someone ruthlessly kills 3000 innocent people in one day, and then acts like they're hiding some big guns, you don't just let them have them, for your own safety's sake. While the US has done questionable things in supporting bad people in the Middle East, there is a very logical reason for doing so. The US made a habit of finding the "right" dictator, one that didn't ruthlessly kill his people. Democracy is a great idea when the people are reasonable, but when 80-90% of the people think you should receive the death penalty for leaving the Muslim faith (80% of people in Egypt believe this), Democracy is not as good of an idea.
#281 to #272 - ilovetocuddle
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(06/07/2012) [-]
good sir you have valid points but I have a suggestion.try to detach yourself. no bias, no nothing right. they look at both side thoroughly from there perspectives. how they felt and how you would. when you do that who is the real bad guy..... both sides.
#320 to #281 - camerel ONLINE
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(06/07/2012) [-]
i agree entirely to this, to both you andproudnerd's ideas. unfortunatly im to lazy to write out a big paragraph as to why i agree. but i agree. and let the red thumbs flow
#296 to #281 - ilovetocuddle
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I love how many of the Americans on funnyjunk are so hateful of the middle east that they just throw red thumbs. I stand by the fact that both sides are wrong. no need to get butthurt. And I had a family member in 9/11 and I'm American.
#302 to #296 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I love how people delete their comments as soon as they start getting red thumbs. It's quite indicative of being a hipster, rather then meaning what they say. Those who are steadfast in their belief won't be silenced by downvotes on a comedy site.
#308 to #302 - ilovetocuddle
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(06/07/2012) [-]
I had spelling errors good sir I reposted the comment and got even more reds
#307 to #296 - ipunchinfants
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(06/07/2012) [-]
WHY IS THIS GUY GETTING THUMBED DOWN? someone give me a solid reason for it cause what hes saying is true and i'm american.
#309 to #307 - ilovetocuddle
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(06/07/2012) [-]
do you realize how strong the hate towards the middle east is now" people don't need reasons or the truth.
#312 to #309 - ipunchinfants
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Lol dude, i understand you and i'm american. I'm not going to delete my comments cause red thumbs aren't going to affect what i say. They don't even mean anything at all lol. Anyways sorry about them. I hope you know that not all Americans are like that.
#314 to #312 - ipunchinfants
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(06/07/2012) [-]
*Effect.
#704 to #314 - mattginge
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Tried thumbing you guys up...one thumb doesnt make much a difference
#705 to #704 - ipunchinfants
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(06/07/2012) [-]
It's fine, Thanks x)
#288 to #272 - desuforeverlulz
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#297 to #288 - pfclockley
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(06/07/2012) [-]
500,000 includes the hundreds of thousands that saddam killed himself, all for the purpose of testing his WMDs, right?
#415 to #272 - GoodGood
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(06/07/2012) [-]
someone smart... on funnyjunk..
#326 to #272 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Your argument seems to be confusing in one regard, that you fail to identify the country you're talking about as you mention it. For example, the 'oil' argument pertains to Iraq, Taliban and 15,000 death toll argument pertains to Afghanistan. More importantly though, I love how this movie skews the argument from: Islam makes a country crappy to Islam makes terrorists who make countries crappy, to White Supremacists are the super terrorists who make countries crappy. How about these guys just slow down, take a chill pill, and look at why, just exactly, the Middle Eastern countries are piles of non-developed ****. If you re-wind the clock to the end of the Islamic Golden Age, you get the work of a very influential scholar by the name of Al Ghazali, who essentially came to the conclusion that science and mathematics were the works of the devil. Combine this with a rise in extremist, conservative Islam, and you get a total crash in scientific, mathematic, and moral development in the region, which as not recovered since. Also, the guy here fails to respond to the girls' initial statement regarding local acts of terrorism and violence. Also, the pure fact that the man is visiting a US school is proof enough that whatever country he connects his nationality to is complete ****, and not just because of US invaders as this seems to suggest. One last thing, and I hate to be the anon who's gotta start this, but if you really boil it down, the fall of the Islamic Golden Age (which gave birth to things like Algebra and pioneer medical work) was a direct result of Religious fundamentalism, which threatens the continued success of all countries. This is why fundamentalists banning gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion, and all other sorts of things for purely religous reasons scares me. The Islamic Golden Age lasted 300 years. The US has existed for 236.
#596 to #326 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Coming from an objective standpoint, what scientific advancements could come out of legalizing gay marriage or abortion?
#358 to #272 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
From the CIA/Taliban one, its on the document the family jewels, its also an interesting lecture to give a proper perspective to the circunstance and its context, i really recommend to read it.
#682 to #272 - garyleneville
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Oh God 'if we got loads of oil then why did gas prices go up'. Just, just never do economics okay?
#388 to #272 - whiteyswag
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(06/07/2012) [-]
'Merica
#301 to #272 - winsauceiswin
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(06/07/2012) [-]
full agreement
full agreement
#275 to #272 - presentdent
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(06/07/2012) [-]
This video is ******* terrible. **** that Rihaz guy. We know the Taliban harbors terrorists, and that the Taliban oppressed its own people. Iraq was dumb, of course, but we didn't go there for oil you ***************.
#300 to #275 - ipunchinfants
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(06/07/2012) [-]
Can't tell if this is true , or butthurt americans o.o
#315 to #300 - ilovetocuddle
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(06/07/2012) [-]
newfags. newfags everywhere.
#339 - oeto
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(06/07/2012) [-]
**** that.

'Merica
#194 - mytrakytra
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(06/07/2012) [-]
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Oh thank god for those sub-titles. I Wouldn't have any ******* clue what they were saying.
#9 - doktorandus
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(06/06/2012) [-]
I don't care if it was a pre-written movie quote.

That **** stings.
#4 - shithappenz
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(06/06/2012) [-]
Urge to kill bitch rising... rising... rising...
#17 to #4 - drcorman
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(06/06/2012) [-]
Your not the only one..
Your not the only one..
#313 to #4 - philteaspynuts
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(06/07/2012) [-]
#29 - iamtheuberman
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(06/06/2012) [-]
Damnit man. Now people are gunna watch this video and think the majority of americans are that ******* stupid.
#33 to #29 - chillyourtits
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(06/06/2012) [-]
that's because the majority of us are
#64 to #33 - conspiracist
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(06/06/2012) [-]
haha i love you man its true <3
#270 to #33 - absynthe
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(06/07/2012) [-]
ever hear the phrase "just because you yell louder doesnt mean youre any less wrong" ? yeah a lot of americans are this dumb but its far less than a majority, it just happens to be the loud ones that make us look bad.
#385 to #33 - anon
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(06/07/2012) [-]
speak for yourself