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#81 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
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I just want to make a few points that will probably make me sound like an asshole, but here it goes.

First of all, of the $8.3 Million that Invisible Children spent in 2011, only about $2.8 Million (roughly 31%) actually made it to Uganda, and that amount was likely further whittled down by the government, meaning the actual children got much much less. In contrast, Invisible Children spent about $2.8 Million just on the filming and producing the Kony movie (and movies like it). Essentially, they spent more charity money making a movie about their charity than they actually gave to the children.

Now, the goal of this video isn't necessarily to bring in money to go directly to the children, but to help indirectly by pressuring the US government to get involved. And that's great... except for one thing. I gather that most of you are Ron Paul supporters, yes? And what has been his rallying cry throughout his entire campaign? "No policing the world."

Think about what IC wants and decide if that is what you want. They want us to basically use our military to fix Africa. I think everyone can agree that what Kony has done is absolutely horrific and it should be stopped, but do you really want us to get militarily involved in Africa?

I'm not saying you shouldn't support Kony 2012, but I am saying that if you choose to do so, you should do some additional research and figure out what exactly it is that you're supporting, because all of the information needed to determine that is not going to be found in this video.
#1775 to #81 - Sammael
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IC response. And all their finances are public.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
#1771 to #81 - maid
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(03/08/2012) [-]
What you dont seem to understand is that "KONY 2012" never would have gotten our attention if they wouldnt have made the movie. You have to spend some to win some as they say, without the movie barley no one would know about this.

4 days made ~40.000.000 views on youtube only, lets say that 10% will donate $5. That euqals $20.000.000 (In 4 days only).

Do you understand their point of view know?
#1765 to #81 - deansg
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(03/08/2012) [-]
Also, people forgot that the Ugandan government also committed atrocities and is a dominant party system - meaning the elections it stages are practically pointless. People should criticize both sides in this fight
#1753 to #81 - SevenForOhNoe
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(03/08/2012) [-]
fig newtons....tasty and all knowing
#1749 to #81 - BorderPatrol
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and this is why i love you figz
#1744 to #81 - sealofapproval
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i agree entirely. our economy isnt going to get any better by spending millions on declaring a war against something that doesnt affect us. doing the right thing sure is great but when you are trillions of dollars in debt you can only be capable of so much charity
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#1736 to #81 - nizarut
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Thank you, fignewtonz, for opening my eyes on this whole situation. I was reluctant about jumping on the bandwagon, and I'm glad.
Thank you, fignewtonz, for opening my eyes on this whole situation. I was reluctant about jumping on the bandwagon, and I'm glad.
#1734 to #81 - lolkittens
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(03/08/2012) [-]
i cant take a comment like this serious with the picture of the user a humping plant. just one thought.
#1778 to #1734 - cweget
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(03/08/2012) [-]
its a bellsprout
#1722 to #81 - irapedpedobear
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(03/08/2012) [-]
when did intellectual conversations start popping up on funnyjunk?
#1681 to #81 - SuperWeapons ONLINE
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(03/08/2012) [-]
i say that if they actually do something just let nato take care of it and send minamal support
#1662 to #81 - huskycreeper
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(03/08/2012) [-]
oops i made a post about this....im about to get a stamp on the forhead saying "captain obvious"
#1629 to #81 - cjklefty
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(03/08/2012) [-]
SHEEEET *****, those are my thoughts exactly.
#1660 to #1629 - aaronjzc
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(03/08/2012) [-]
doesn't sound like it -.-
#1735 to #1660 - cjklefty
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(03/08/2012) [-]
How so?
#1448 to #81 - leVandal
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(03/08/2012) [-]
Can I see a link or source for the $2.8 million cost on the film? Not arguing, just want to have it as a reference..
#1309 to #81 - TOfanman
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At the risk of ridicule, I disagree with Kony, the Ugandan hero's point. While I do agree that any money thrown at Ugana to solve the problem is doing little to nothing, that is not the main point of this movement. The main point is to get Koney (not spelling it right to avoid filter) known. This doesn't involve funding any organization, but rather contacting celebrities and politicians and letting them know what the public want. When everyone is on the same page, the US (or any other) government can and will fund some sort of anti-Kony action. Whether it be supplying Uganda with training and technology, or direct military aid, it will not be wasted. Unlike most other organizations that claim to "help countries in need", the money won't be divided up by government or regime leaders. Why? It will be run by our first world government, which is a lot more organized and carries a lot more authority then a community bake sale for Haiti or some ****.

Spreading the word is not "Armchair Activism", but rather how civilians of a country influence their government. If 100 or so personnel were sent to Uganda just by a small group of people's persistence, imagine what could happen if we get the entire country on board?

This wouldn't be some lengthy military endeavor either. It isn't exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. It's basically just a really big gang in a third world country. Any action that is taken against Koney's rebels would be done with quickly, so no worries about the financial or human cost.

For those who TL;DR'd:
I say that spreading the word to other people, celebrities, and politicians would inevitably cause government intervention and justice. Don't just throw money at some charity group though, they don't know what they're doing.
#1328 to #1309 - fignewtonz
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i agree with you about awareness not being useless, but I do disagree with your thing about the military. Uganda's government is just as ****** up if not more so than Kony is. Anything we give them in the name of fighting Kony will just be used by the government to do the exact same **** Kony is being condemned for.
#1363 to #1328 - TOfanman
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The intervention could also be controlled by the US (or any other 1st world country), which seems to be the style in how we intervene on other people's tyranny. As I said, just throwing money at it is going to accomplish nothing, for just that reason.
#1410 to #1363 - titanious
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(03/08/2012) [-]
>The intervention could also be controlled by the US

have you seen the US's track record when dealing with that kind of thing?
ever heard of Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan?
#1281 to #81 - Digitalphear
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JOSEPH KONY FOR PREZ
#1283 to #1281 - Digitalphear
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#1266 to #81 - zombiefacepuncher
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(03/08/2012) [-]
these guys were rebels too. Should we have stopped them aswell?
#1251 to #81 - kingcrabula
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(03/08/2012) [-]
I think it's ironic that this post has "38 children" and counting...Kony strikes again
#1091 to #81 - TwistedPizzaDude
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(03/07/2012) [-]
It's always the guys with the air-humping bellsprout as their avatar that makes the comment section worth reading
#1088 to #81 - samnoname
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(03/07/2012) [-]
i am against any kind of war, i'm fed up of British soldiers dying on foreign soil and i'm sire most Americans feel the same, but the Ugandans need help finding this guy and bringing him to justice.
#1071 to #81 - ArmeeDerToten
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(03/07/2012) [-]
as i said in the comments, i did NOT join the Military to fight someone else's fight. Africa has not changed in years, America just keeps getting their nose in **** they dont need to get in. **** all this..
#1074 to #1071 - ArmeeDerToten
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I dont want to see my Men die in vain...
#1002 to #81 - Avatrek
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I just want to say that it's not only American's that are going to be supporting this. So MANY of us are NOT` Ron Paul supporters.
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#973 to #81 - thegamegestapo
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Not to mention that the ICC had him indited back in 2005 anyway.
#963 to #81 - thegreatsaiyaman
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"but do you really want us to get militarily involved in Africa? " The US has been militarily involved in African for decades, did you forget that Africa possesses diamonds, oil and precious metals that are far more important than young children?
#949 to #81 - cymruambyth
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(03/07/2012) [-]
top comment is now yours :D
#904 to #81 - stlassassinfhc
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(03/07/2012) [-]
Copy paste much?
#995 to #904 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
that first chunk about the 8.3 million was, but the rest I wrote.
#1012 to #995 - stlassassinfhc
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I got you, i just read the first two sentences and remember reading it off a website so i quit reading.
#877 to #81 - madmanmax
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(03/07/2012) [-]
Can you provide some sources for your info? I want to be able to back up this argument against facebook fags who'll be all, "OMG YOUR EBIL WHERE YOUR SOURCES ON THIS INFO"?
#883 to #877 - fignewtonz
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http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/concerning-kony-2012.html

theres a lot of other websites and blogs criticizing Kony 2012 too, you just have to google them
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#777 to #756 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
Red Cross and Salvation Army are definitely not the only ones.

www.charitynavigator.org/
#1424 to #777 - titanious
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you are truely wise, oh horny bellsprout.



*bows
#469 to #81 - koobzacc
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(03/07/2012) [-]
Thank you! when i saw this on facebook, I realized I didn't really care, and then i thought "wow, I am a heartless bastard!" maybe I was subconsciosly realizing it wasnt something I could support? maybe both?

huh
#783 to #469 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
No, this **** broke my heart when I first saw it. I am still trying to figure out what can be done about it. I just think this particular video is a bit misleading and misguided and that Invisible Children is a shady organization
#1779 to #783 - koobzacc
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so... I am a heartless bastard? perhaps a spoiled white firstworld child?
#1781 to #1779 - fignewtonz
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(03/08/2012) [-]
yes.
#455 to #81 - MrMouz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
I can't be the only one posting this on facebook so all the retards can see, no?
#285 to #81 - humanityslasthope
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They aren't trying to get the US militarily involved in Africa. Just trying to get the Ugandan military the training needed to find Kony and catch him.
#630 to #285 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
Good try! The Ugandan military is just as awful, if not worse, than Kony's army. they do just as much raping and child enslaving as Kony does. This is Africa we're talking about. If you think OUR government is bad, you should see theirs. The fact that IC supports Uganda's government is as big of a reason to not support IC as any
#237 to #81 - sgently
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couldn't have used this on a better post. although awareness WILL ALWAYS BE KEY IN ANY WORLD ISSUE, IC is just a couple of producers that found a story and made an MTV-esque movie about it, and all of a sudden it turns into some fad. I'm glad this went well fj.. you can kiss your activism goodbye on 4chan.
#198 to #81 - whiteniggers
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(03/07/2012) [-]
You know I'm just reading this because you have colored text. ******* great point though.

I blame the Jews.
#396 to #198 - fukintroll
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how the **** is this related to Jews?
#481 to #396 - whiteniggers
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#142 to #81 - adamfps
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i have always loved your comments and now i think i want to have sex with you. You said what i was too lazy to type :)
#213 to #142 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
so about that sex...
#117 to #81 - justiceforallone
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(03/07/2012) [-]
I was a bit skeptical while watching the movie. I did some search and found a great article about it.

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#115 to #81 - anon
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this is not a reliable organization. More info can be found here:

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#90 to #81 - fignewtonz
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(03/07/2012) [-]
This guy makes a better argument than me:
http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/concerning-kony-2012.html

One notable statistic from this article is that IC has three CEOs that make a combined $262,287. That is in contrast with other comparable charities whose CEOs make about $40,000.

They have also refused to be audited as a charity organization, the benefits of which are enormous in terms of credibility and support, so the question is, why would you refuse to be audited unless you are hiding something?
#100 to #90 - BlottedScience
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(03/07/2012) [-]
This was actually very well done, and the idea hadn't crossed my mind. I guess all of us are prone to the sheeple complex. Still, good job.
#89 to #81 - toxictouch
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(03/07/2012) [-]
I took that and put it as my facebook status


you sir area a genius
#88 to #81 - comradewinter
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(03/07/2012) [-]
I can back up this post.

Take a gander at these links:

ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/
^This one is about how Kony and LRA hasn't been active for about 7 years, and it's rumored that he's either dead or lost leadership over the army.

www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0
^How the Invisible Children is using very little money on actually helping Uganda, and instead advertising for their own group.

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^Proof to back up the theory that IC is only spending 37% of the money on Uganda, and the rest to themselves and advertising.

All in all professional fraud.

Then again, it's great that people get to know Joseph Kony, he's an evil ************. Even though Invisible Children claims he has taken 30.000 children and the actual number is between 10-15 000 it's still a huge number. Whether or not IC is legit, they make a difference by making Kony famous. And since that's their goal they do a fine job.
#181 to #88 - episkey
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thankyou for posting them links, recently, kony got a hold of my facebook list, and my whole news feed is going mad with people trying to advocate the cause mindlessly, I posted some links to maybe educate a few open minded kids out there.
#92 to #88 - fignewtonz
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I think it is great that people are becoming aware of issues in Africa as a whole, and i think good things will come of it, but I think it will come from the people who do things on their own or through other charities and not through IC rallying people to lobby the government into taking military action
#86 to #81 - crampers
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(03/07/2012) [-]
i wanna make sweet love to you.