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#58 - It's hard to find feats like that in the games outside the pok… 05/26/2015 on PokeHunter 0
#55 - Pokemon like tyranitar can fell mountains in a single blow, do…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/26/2015 on PokeHunter 0
#59 - Tyranitar (05/26/2015) [-]
User avatar #57 - jettom (05/26/2015) [-]
Supposedly, they can fell mountains in a single blow. Yet nothing in the games or the series or the manga shows this power, simply the PokeDex claims it.
User avatar #58 - youngchief (05/26/2015) [-]
It's hard to find feats like that in the games outside the pokedex (which I might add we have literally no reason to doubt). Unless you go to the manga, which has plenty of great feats, like Lance's dragonair blowing up a city in a single shot, or the regi trio containing the explosion of a bomb that would have wiped out the entire region they were in, . I guess in the games you have things like Yveltal powering a weapon that would wipe out all life on the continent they were on
#13 - In reality Haxorus would wreck Deviljho's ****  [+] (9 new replies) 05/26/2015 on PokeHunter 0
User avatar #15 - psyachu (05/26/2015) [-]
Do you know how powerful a Deviljho is?
Do you know how BIG a Deviljho is?

Let's put this in perspective. Haxorus is 1.8m (5'11"). That's about the size of a pretty normal person. Deviljho comes in at a size range of a whopping 18m to 41m, over 10x the size of a haxorus AT THE LEAST. And Deviljho is vicious. Its breath will make other dragon attacks look like tiny fireworks. And its tail? Forget knocking you out of battle, it'll smash a haxorus to pieces.

Don't underestimate Deviljho.
User avatar #24 - lipshinuken (05/26/2015) [-]
I see the logic but deviljho is weak to dragon element. It would be a pretty even fight considering jho has trouble dispatching a human of 5'11"
User avatar #37 - pickaxe (05/26/2015) [-]
But hax is weak to dragon as well...
And had isn't what you might consider sturdy.
In addition, these humans are covered in monster scales and stuff and can't really take many blows from the thing.
jho might starve somewhere during the battle tho'
User avatar #52 - lipshinuken (05/26/2015) [-]
Power per pound id say haxorus is easily the strongest. He has a full a varied move set, adequate armour as you can see standard elements are ineffective plus his pokedex entry states how he can cut through steel beams not jet fuel! . In short, goodbye ankles jho hello Draco meteor.
User avatar #14 - jettom (05/26/2015) [-]
"Haxorus use"-
*CHOMP*
"HAXORUS?!"
User avatar #55 - youngchief (05/26/2015) [-]
Pokemon like tyranitar can fell mountains in a single blow, don't underestimate pokemon
#59 - Tyranitar (05/26/2015) [-]
User avatar #57 - jettom (05/26/2015) [-]
Supposedly, they can fell mountains in a single blow. Yet nothing in the games or the series or the manga shows this power, simply the PokeDex claims it.
User avatar #58 - youngchief (05/26/2015) [-]
It's hard to find feats like that in the games outside the pokedex (which I might add we have literally no reason to doubt). Unless you go to the manga, which has plenty of great feats, like Lance's dragonair blowing up a city in a single shot, or the regi trio containing the explosion of a bomb that would have wiped out the entire region they were in, . I guess in the games you have things like Yveltal powering a weapon that would wipe out all life on the continent they were on
#5 - What slays me about this comic is that by the time he sat back… 05/25/2015 on lel +4
#109 - what in the ****  [+] (1 new reply) 05/21/2015 on Batman +9
User avatar #111 - angelious (05/21/2015) [-]
im guessing they are trying to be more dark and gritty or something...
#3 - Picture 05/20/2015 on Bullying is bad +8
#16 - I don't think so, in what way was he a good person  [+] (15 new replies) 05/19/2015 on death note +2
User avatar #17 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
I suppose, ultimately, this is a simple difference of opinion and I shall be unable to sway your way of thinking or you, mine, but I'll explain my point, anyway.

If I was given the power to murder anyone and be able to get away with it (the DeathNote) I would, with fervor, use it to my own advantage. If anybody had an edge over me for a promotion or a particularly important competition or so on, I would kill them, to succeed my own goals (provided these goals were important). I would sell my skills as a hitman who leaves no traces and ultimately, my deathnote would be nothing more than a way for me to make oodles of money. I am sure, I am not alone in this, in fact I am certain I am in the majority with this, as we, as a race, are fantastic at distancing ourselves from those we need to excel above. I apologise if that sounds incredibly edgy, it's just what I know I would do.

Light Yagami, high school student, finds this deathnote. He ponders on whether or not he should even use it (more consideration that I would have), then decides to test it, to be sure it's not a fake. He doesn't use his enemy, his bully, a lover who rejected him, an annoying politician or somebody else with a personal stake, he uses a criminal- someone who (arguably) deserves to die more so than others. He then envisions a world with no crime. He knows that if enough criminals die, to his alias 'Kira' people will stop committing crimes out of the fear of (apparent) divine intervention. He doesn't want to kill every criminal, he wants to kill enough criminals, so that nobody wants to be a criminal anymore (whereas, again, if I set about killing criminals, I think I'd just kill all of them, assuming I believed they deserved it, so as to reap some justice for myself). He does then begin to picture 'Kira' as the head of this society, which would give him insane power, but still, he never abuses this- he kills two kinds of people: those who are criminals and those who are threatening, directly, his ability to continue killing criminals (aiding the criminals who are dying, essentially). He does not perform this out of sadism or morbid curiosity, he shows a great deal of regret and disgust when he kills the biker who was harassing and threatening the woman, near the arcade, he does it because he thinks it needs to be done, and that's his bottom line.

Light saw a world, free of crime and the suffering related to it. I'd say the only 'evil' thing he did was the manipulation of Misa Amane. He completely dazzles her and she falls into a fanatical devotion to him, which at first, is simply an annoyance to Light. However, he proceeds to take advantage of this by manipulating her into taking the Shinigami eyes (as opposed to him taking them, citing he wanted to exact justice for as long as he could) halving her lifespan. However, she did still do this of her own free will, Light forced nothing, only coerced her.

Light Yagami was a model student, a beloved enough son, with the amount of brains for his dad to induct him into the task force they assemble with a dream of a world at peace, with the drive to achieve it. It was unfortunate that others, free of criminal conviction had to die and it is certainly arguable that the deceased criminals didn't deserve it, but never, once did personal gain occur to Light (the shinigami eyes being more preservation than gain), whereas it certainly would have to me, most definitely, and countless others amongst our greedy people. People looked up to and venerated Kira; Kira was a hero and a symbol for justice for every victim of the crimes he avenged. An honorable dream, millions looking up to him, being hampered by an almost shadow-government organisation sounds to me, like a hero.

You are free to disagree.

tl;dr: LIGHT WANTED TO BE GOOD BUT HE WAS BAD TO BE GOOD. HE SLIPPED UP WITH THE SHINIGAMI EYE THING, WITH MISA, BUT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR FAULTS.
User avatar #23 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
I disagree in the sense that it would be easy.
Sure you could make shitloads of money with the death note and be a hit man or whatever but where's the fun? Where's the challenge?

I don't know if he so much did what he did because he was good as he did because he was hyper intelligent and needed something to actually challenge his intellect, "Making the world better" was the easiest way to do that and it was the "right" thing to do in terms of that he could convince himself everybody would do the same if they could. It's his boredom plus a righteous justification of his use of the death note, imo.
User avatar #25 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
But the 'righteous justification' is just that, righteous.

When Christians go to a homeless shelter to help out and volunteer, one could argue that they're only doing that because they're afraid of going to hell, making their generosity really just a long gambit to secure their happiness.

However, do you really think the homeless, in this situation give a damn, why the people who are helping them, are helping them? They just care that someone's throwing them a bone and helping them out. It doesn't make what the Christians are doing a bad thing, just because it has a selfish intent, it is still most definitely a good thing, objectively.
User avatar #27 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
Fair enough.
Though the debate originally was about his morality (Light's a good guy!) and all that. The thing is he wasn't just going to stop at what most people would consider okay, criminals is one thing but it was stated that once all his opposition was gone he had every intent to kill lazy people and he had already killed people just for disagreeing with him.

So, first you need to establish terms. Are we talking about him internally (is Light good or evil) or are we talking about what he does (Did he do good for the world?). IMO the answer in both cases would have been no had he been allowed to complete his plan, ofcourse things were in the stages where popular opinion was on his side but when you rule through fear you eventually get resistance which he would have killed. It was hinted that he intended to go into eugenics to some extent and he definitely planned to kill lazy people in addition to anyone who spoke out against him.

He was already pretty much the boogieman when he died "Be careful or Keira (ik i'm probably spelling it wrong) will get you.

Like i said though, you've got to define good so as per the easiest definition it's body count. He would have by the end of his reign killed more innocents than guilty. Also in my personal opinion intent is everything, but i figured you'd rather argue that he's doing good as opposed to that he is good because doing good is the easier argument.
User avatar #34 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Well then, herein lies the issue. We aren't debating facts or statistics but instead we are discussing objective morality. What you may think is fine, I may fine deplorable and vice versa, depending upon our frames of reference. The notion of this argument being un-resolvable I stated in my first paragraph to Kairyuka, and it is un-resolvable for this exact reason.

You bring up an interesting point on actions vs intent. Certainly I disagree with intensive biological eugenics on mass scale, as it was implied, and find that immoral but the case is, we have no proof of Light going through with that, or if he was just conceptualising other ways in which the Death Note could benefit humanity. It is still within my opinion that what he did was good, which is in conflict with the way you see it and that is the issue when debating objective subject matters- they're objective.
User avatar #37 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
Yep.
Though there is strong indications of eugenics, i almost want to say they literally said as much, but at the very least they were gong to kill lazy people and all.

The thing is, and this is the resolution i came to the last time i had this debate, we are all human beings, while we do all have some objective views on morality there are still some things we can all agree upon as just being evil. Mass eugenics by way of something like the death note is one of those things.... Although i'm not saying we're going to be able to debate this here and now Cause frankly i don't have the time or energy to do so. i just kinda want to point out that some things to seem to be rather irrefutably evil in the eyes of anyone with even the smallest shred of humanity compassion or morality within them.
User avatar #18 - Kairyuka (05/19/2015) [-]
I hate how they never processed the very important flaw with Light's plan: How in the flying fuck can he know who is truly guilty? He never does any investigating, he just takes it right off the news. "This guy has been found guilty for rape" well then he MUST be guilty because our justice system or media has never been flawed? Light Yagami wasn't clever, he was an idiot, a dangerous one at that.
User avatar #19 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
I must disagree. His first victim, if I recall, was only convicted, true. Light did no research and simply killed him, however National Geographic cites that of all the criminals sentenced to death row, 4.1% are wrongly accused ( phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/28/how-many-people-are-wrongly-convicted-researchers-do-the-math/ ). 4.1% is a staggering number, and shows how fucked the justice system can be BUT, if you asked me to take a gamble on a 95.9% chance of near enough anything, I probably would. So his first victim has, statistically a 4.1% chance of being unjust, however, his next victims (the biker threatening the woman, the armed gunman holding the school hostage, the bus highjacker threatening to murder people) were all guilty of their crimes, right in front of Light. L then places a criminal on the big screen television in Japan, to pose as him, with his name displayed so that Light may murder him. This is the first time Light believed he wasn't killing a criminal (even though he was) but even then, he was killing someone who said he was going to stop these criminals from dying, which is against Light's entire agenda and would make him guilty through association. After that, the majority of the death he reaps are all implied, or done behind the scenes, we honestly have no clue as to whether or not he researched these people (checked out their court cases and evidence and whatnot) or simply murdered people in jail, indiscriminately, or any level of scrutiny in between.

We can't say he didn't look into who his victims were, because of those 5 mentioned, he made sure 3 of them were truly guilty before killing them, one was deemed guilty by the justice system (with that rough 4.1% chance of undue conviction) and the other was believed to be a conspirator against Light and his cause.

I think it's safe to say there was some method to his murder, given how meticulously he plotted around L and the task force, the fact that he scored the highest test scores in Japan (if I remember rightly) and how he lasted for so long playing with unimaginable power and how close he truly came to achieving his goals. To call him dangerous is fair, to call him an idiot is incorrect.
User avatar #31 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
his first victim was holding a school hostage.
User avatar #32 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
My mistake, then, I thought I remembered there being one before him.
User avatar #33 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
nope.
he wasn't sure who to test it on, a live report of this hostage situation came on, then he wrote the guy's name down not actually expecting it to work.
He thought it may be a coincidence, so he tried to use it on a guy who was harassing some woman, and he was hit by a truck.
User avatar #35 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Ah yes, it's coming back now, thankyou for the correction.
User avatar #36 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
i think the first people he killed, when he confirmed the death note actually worked, were famous criminals who were locked up, and i think terrorists who had avoided the law.
pretty much people he knew were guilty.
User avatar #20 - Kairyuka (05/19/2015) [-]
He was an idiot. He hid his egotistical, sociopathic desires behind a thin veil of "noble intent" where he just had a major god complex and thought he was so much better than everyone else. The truth is that no person on earth has the right to hold the powers he did, and he acted like it was his god-given (pun intended) right.
User avatar #21 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Again, I really fail to see him as an 'idiot', whilst I am certainly ready to say he has his faults. Certainly, the notion of his alias 'Kira' becoming this god-like figure did entrance him, he certainly reached for great heights and power. However, if you can name me an individual who was impacted the world in a positive way, who did not, either purposefully or inadvertently clamor for power, I'd be impressed. Seriously, Martin Luther King became a revered individual, as did Gandhi, Mother Theresa (who supposedly was a bit of a cunt, but that's another discussion, for another day), JFK, Augustus Caesar, the list goes on. People who do good are prepositioned to do good, strive for power, as they know it is where they will be the most effective. He never wanted to go public with his appearance, once all was said and done, because he knew if it was revealed that Kira was just a person, as soon as that person was dead, everything would fall apart to the way it was, therefore, he could never use this power to achieve a position in ruling over humanity or even a segment of humanity, for he'd be immediately assassinated for it, so crime can resume.

When you say he had developed a god-complex, I am bewildered- in those moments, he was a god. He had the power over life and death. Anybody who didn't develop a god-complex after taking so many lives, for his cause would have severe issues, far worse than egotism, for certain. He was smarter than most, had more power than most, had more resources than most and lived a far higher-stakes life than most. He thought he was better than most people because he, frankly, lived a better standard of life.

You go on to say no human has the right to wield life and death. I go on to retort with shinigami. If these beings were pure, disinterested beings, who killed us simply to keep the world spinning and to satiate their autonomy, then so be it and certainly, no human deserved to wield that power. They were not these described machines. Ryuk Bored so much that he dropped his all powerful tool on the Earth below to attempt to alleviate it and would perform tasks he said he never would do if he was fed apples, because he loved them. Gelus had fallen in love with Misa Amane to the point where he sacrificed himself to avoid her pre-appointed death. Rem holds active contempt for the majority of humanity, threatening to kill light, before his time if Misa comes to harm. On top of this, we see lazy, gambling and addicted Shinigami, hanging around their land.

You say that no human should hold the right of life and death over another, when the natural order of things appointed Shinigami, these beings capable of the exact same thoughts, feelings and faults of humans to kill. Surely this is no different?

#14 - But they really aren't though, Lelouch was a good guy  [+] (17 new replies) 05/19/2015 on death note +1
User avatar #15 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
And Light wasn't?
User avatar #16 - youngchief (05/19/2015) [-]
I don't think so, in what way was he a good person
User avatar #17 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
I suppose, ultimately, this is a simple difference of opinion and I shall be unable to sway your way of thinking or you, mine, but I'll explain my point, anyway.

If I was given the power to murder anyone and be able to get away with it (the DeathNote) I would, with fervor, use it to my own advantage. If anybody had an edge over me for a promotion or a particularly important competition or so on, I would kill them, to succeed my own goals (provided these goals were important). I would sell my skills as a hitman who leaves no traces and ultimately, my deathnote would be nothing more than a way for me to make oodles of money. I am sure, I am not alone in this, in fact I am certain I am in the majority with this, as we, as a race, are fantastic at distancing ourselves from those we need to excel above. I apologise if that sounds incredibly edgy, it's just what I know I would do.

Light Yagami, high school student, finds this deathnote. He ponders on whether or not he should even use it (more consideration that I would have), then decides to test it, to be sure it's not a fake. He doesn't use his enemy, his bully, a lover who rejected him, an annoying politician or somebody else with a personal stake, he uses a criminal- someone who (arguably) deserves to die more so than others. He then envisions a world with no crime. He knows that if enough criminals die, to his alias 'Kira' people will stop committing crimes out of the fear of (apparent) divine intervention. He doesn't want to kill every criminal, he wants to kill enough criminals, so that nobody wants to be a criminal anymore (whereas, again, if I set about killing criminals, I think I'd just kill all of them, assuming I believed they deserved it, so as to reap some justice for myself). He does then begin to picture 'Kira' as the head of this society, which would give him insane power, but still, he never abuses this- he kills two kinds of people: those who are criminals and those who are threatening, directly, his ability to continue killing criminals (aiding the criminals who are dying, essentially). He does not perform this out of sadism or morbid curiosity, he shows a great deal of regret and disgust when he kills the biker who was harassing and threatening the woman, near the arcade, he does it because he thinks it needs to be done, and that's his bottom line.

Light saw a world, free of crime and the suffering related to it. I'd say the only 'evil' thing he did was the manipulation of Misa Amane. He completely dazzles her and she falls into a fanatical devotion to him, which at first, is simply an annoyance to Light. However, he proceeds to take advantage of this by manipulating her into taking the Shinigami eyes (as opposed to him taking them, citing he wanted to exact justice for as long as he could) halving her lifespan. However, she did still do this of her own free will, Light forced nothing, only coerced her.

Light Yagami was a model student, a beloved enough son, with the amount of brains for his dad to induct him into the task force they assemble with a dream of a world at peace, with the drive to achieve it. It was unfortunate that others, free of criminal conviction had to die and it is certainly arguable that the deceased criminals didn't deserve it, but never, once did personal gain occur to Light (the shinigami eyes being more preservation than gain), whereas it certainly would have to me, most definitely, and countless others amongst our greedy people. People looked up to and venerated Kira; Kira was a hero and a symbol for justice for every victim of the crimes he avenged. An honorable dream, millions looking up to him, being hampered by an almost shadow-government organisation sounds to me, like a hero.

You are free to disagree.

tl;dr: LIGHT WANTED TO BE GOOD BUT HE WAS BAD TO BE GOOD. HE SLIPPED UP WITH THE SHINIGAMI EYE THING, WITH MISA, BUT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR FAULTS.
User avatar #23 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
I disagree in the sense that it would be easy.
Sure you could make shitloads of money with the death note and be a hit man or whatever but where's the fun? Where's the challenge?

I don't know if he so much did what he did because he was good as he did because he was hyper intelligent and needed something to actually challenge his intellect, "Making the world better" was the easiest way to do that and it was the "right" thing to do in terms of that he could convince himself everybody would do the same if they could. It's his boredom plus a righteous justification of his use of the death note, imo.
User avatar #25 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
But the 'righteous justification' is just that, righteous.

When Christians go to a homeless shelter to help out and volunteer, one could argue that they're only doing that because they're afraid of going to hell, making their generosity really just a long gambit to secure their happiness.

However, do you really think the homeless, in this situation give a damn, why the people who are helping them, are helping them? They just care that someone's throwing them a bone and helping them out. It doesn't make what the Christians are doing a bad thing, just because it has a selfish intent, it is still most definitely a good thing, objectively.
User avatar #27 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
Fair enough.
Though the debate originally was about his morality (Light's a good guy!) and all that. The thing is he wasn't just going to stop at what most people would consider okay, criminals is one thing but it was stated that once all his opposition was gone he had every intent to kill lazy people and he had already killed people just for disagreeing with him.

So, first you need to establish terms. Are we talking about him internally (is Light good or evil) or are we talking about what he does (Did he do good for the world?). IMO the answer in both cases would have been no had he been allowed to complete his plan, ofcourse things were in the stages where popular opinion was on his side but when you rule through fear you eventually get resistance which he would have killed. It was hinted that he intended to go into eugenics to some extent and he definitely planned to kill lazy people in addition to anyone who spoke out against him.

He was already pretty much the boogieman when he died "Be careful or Keira (ik i'm probably spelling it wrong) will get you.

Like i said though, you've got to define good so as per the easiest definition it's body count. He would have by the end of his reign killed more innocents than guilty. Also in my personal opinion intent is everything, but i figured you'd rather argue that he's doing good as opposed to that he is good because doing good is the easier argument.
User avatar #34 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Well then, herein lies the issue. We aren't debating facts or statistics but instead we are discussing objective morality. What you may think is fine, I may fine deplorable and vice versa, depending upon our frames of reference. The notion of this argument being un-resolvable I stated in my first paragraph to Kairyuka, and it is un-resolvable for this exact reason.

You bring up an interesting point on actions vs intent. Certainly I disagree with intensive biological eugenics on mass scale, as it was implied, and find that immoral but the case is, we have no proof of Light going through with that, or if he was just conceptualising other ways in which the Death Note could benefit humanity. It is still within my opinion that what he did was good, which is in conflict with the way you see it and that is the issue when debating objective subject matters- they're objective.
User avatar #37 - derpthefifth (05/19/2015) [-]
Yep.
Though there is strong indications of eugenics, i almost want to say they literally said as much, but at the very least they were gong to kill lazy people and all.

The thing is, and this is the resolution i came to the last time i had this debate, we are all human beings, while we do all have some objective views on morality there are still some things we can all agree upon as just being evil. Mass eugenics by way of something like the death note is one of those things.... Although i'm not saying we're going to be able to debate this here and now Cause frankly i don't have the time or energy to do so. i just kinda want to point out that some things to seem to be rather irrefutably evil in the eyes of anyone with even the smallest shred of humanity compassion or morality within them.
User avatar #18 - Kairyuka (05/19/2015) [-]
I hate how they never processed the very important flaw with Light's plan: How in the flying fuck can he know who is truly guilty? He never does any investigating, he just takes it right off the news. "This guy has been found guilty for rape" well then he MUST be guilty because our justice system or media has never been flawed? Light Yagami wasn't clever, he was an idiot, a dangerous one at that.
User avatar #19 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
I must disagree. His first victim, if I recall, was only convicted, true. Light did no research and simply killed him, however National Geographic cites that of all the criminals sentenced to death row, 4.1% are wrongly accused ( phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/28/how-many-people-are-wrongly-convicted-researchers-do-the-math/ ). 4.1% is a staggering number, and shows how fucked the justice system can be BUT, if you asked me to take a gamble on a 95.9% chance of near enough anything, I probably would. So his first victim has, statistically a 4.1% chance of being unjust, however, his next victims (the biker threatening the woman, the armed gunman holding the school hostage, the bus highjacker threatening to murder people) were all guilty of their crimes, right in front of Light. L then places a criminal on the big screen television in Japan, to pose as him, with his name displayed so that Light may murder him. This is the first time Light believed he wasn't killing a criminal (even though he was) but even then, he was killing someone who said he was going to stop these criminals from dying, which is against Light's entire agenda and would make him guilty through association. After that, the majority of the death he reaps are all implied, or done behind the scenes, we honestly have no clue as to whether or not he researched these people (checked out their court cases and evidence and whatnot) or simply murdered people in jail, indiscriminately, or any level of scrutiny in between.

We can't say he didn't look into who his victims were, because of those 5 mentioned, he made sure 3 of them were truly guilty before killing them, one was deemed guilty by the justice system (with that rough 4.1% chance of undue conviction) and the other was believed to be a conspirator against Light and his cause.

I think it's safe to say there was some method to his murder, given how meticulously he plotted around L and the task force, the fact that he scored the highest test scores in Japan (if I remember rightly) and how he lasted for so long playing with unimaginable power and how close he truly came to achieving his goals. To call him dangerous is fair, to call him an idiot is incorrect.
User avatar #31 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
his first victim was holding a school hostage.
User avatar #32 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
My mistake, then, I thought I remembered there being one before him.
User avatar #33 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
nope.
he wasn't sure who to test it on, a live report of this hostage situation came on, then he wrote the guy's name down not actually expecting it to work.
He thought it may be a coincidence, so he tried to use it on a guy who was harassing some woman, and he was hit by a truck.
User avatar #35 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Ah yes, it's coming back now, thankyou for the correction.
User avatar #36 - Lilstow (05/19/2015) [-]
i think the first people he killed, when he confirmed the death note actually worked, were famous criminals who were locked up, and i think terrorists who had avoided the law.
pretty much people he knew were guilty.
User avatar #20 - Kairyuka (05/19/2015) [-]
He was an idiot. He hid his egotistical, sociopathic desires behind a thin veil of "noble intent" where he just had a major god complex and thought he was so much better than everyone else. The truth is that no person on earth has the right to hold the powers he did, and he acted like it was his god-given (pun intended) right.
User avatar #21 - TheEpicTroll (05/19/2015) [-]
Again, I really fail to see him as an 'idiot', whilst I am certainly ready to say he has his faults. Certainly, the notion of his alias 'Kira' becoming this god-like figure did entrance him, he certainly reached for great heights and power. However, if you can name me an individual who was impacted the world in a positive way, who did not, either purposefully or inadvertently clamor for power, I'd be impressed. Seriously, Martin Luther King became a revered individual, as did Gandhi, Mother Theresa (who supposedly was a bit of a cunt, but that's another discussion, for another day), JFK, Augustus Caesar, the list goes on. People who do good are prepositioned to do good, strive for power, as they know it is where they will be the most effective. He never wanted to go public with his appearance, once all was said and done, because he knew if it was revealed that Kira was just a person, as soon as that person was dead, everything would fall apart to the way it was, therefore, he could never use this power to achieve a position in ruling over humanity or even a segment of humanity, for he'd be immediately assassinated for it, so crime can resume.

When you say he had developed a god-complex, I am bewildered- in those moments, he was a god. He had the power over life and death. Anybody who didn't develop a god-complex after taking so many lives, for his cause would have severe issues, far worse than egotism, for certain. He was smarter than most, had more power than most, had more resources than most and lived a far higher-stakes life than most. He thought he was better than most people because he, frankly, lived a better standard of life.

You go on to say no human has the right to wield life and death. I go on to retort with shinigami. If these beings were pure, disinterested beings, who killed us simply to keep the world spinning and to satiate their autonomy, then so be it and certainly, no human deserved to wield that power. They were not these described machines. Ryuk Bored so much that he dropped his all powerful tool on the Earth below to attempt to alleviate it and would perform tasks he said he never would do if he was fed apples, because he loved them. Gelus had fallen in love with Misa Amane to the point where he sacrificed himself to avoid her pre-appointed death. Rem holds active contempt for the majority of humanity, threatening to kill light, before his time if Misa comes to harm. On top of this, we see lazy, gambling and addicted Shinigami, hanging around their land.

You say that no human should hold the right of life and death over another, when the natural order of things appointed Shinigami, these beings capable of the exact same thoughts, feelings and faults of humans to kill. Surely this is no different?

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#50 - Absolute Madman (05/18/2015) [-]
They're still there.
#179 - Absolute Madman (05/19/2015) [-]
for now
User avatar #177 - sonatadusk (05/19/2015) [-]
They're like cockroaches.
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