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#27 - Ruspanic (09/13/2015) [-]
Okay, let's say some American company, for example General Motors, sells cars to Japanese customers. These Japanese are happy because they bought new cars that they wanted, and GM is happy because it made a lot of money. Some of that money becomes profit, and some of the money is used to builds a factory in your town and employs a bunch of people to work in the factory, thereby creating jobs and sources of income for a bunch of people. Maybe you're one of those people, maybe not. But even if you're not, these new GM employees can spend the money they made in the economy and help other businesses do well. And perhap some of that money goes toward Research and Development to produce new cars, which might be better than the previous models. Or perhaps GM's research teaches it how to make cars more cheaply, so it can sell them at lower prices. Then you can buy a car, if you want.
On the other side, suppose Japan sells electronics to American customers. Okay, I don't know if you're American but humor me if you're not. Let's say you are. Great, now you can buy all your Samsung or Sony products that you want, and Japanese companies make money. What's wrong with that?
#17 - Ruspanic (09/13/2015) [-]
What do you mean? The whole point of trade is you give away stuff you value less and get stuff you value more in return - like a large sum of money. So everyone gets richer, subjectively. It's not like it's involuntary. And if the stuff we're trading is electronics or food or cars, those aren't scarce resources anyway.
#19 - Ruspanic (09/13/2015) [-]
But... that's literally the basic principle of trade. How can you deny that? Why would anyone even make a trade if they didn't think they were benefiting from it?
International trade is one of the reasons for the massive decline in global poverty in the past half-century or so.
#21 - Ruspanic (09/13/2015) [-]
I'm genuinely not understanding what you're on about here.
I mean, yeah, rich people and large corporations are sometimes exploitative but that's not an argument against capitalism or international trade in general, nor against the TPP.
And the decline in global poverty is simply a fact.
#25 - Ruspanic (09/13/2015) [-]
Not all rich people got rich by screwing over poor people.
But even the ones that did, if they were capitalists or investors, most likely brought some good to the world along with the bad - jobs, goods and services, economic growth, etc.
That does not at all justify exploitation, but it does mean you should reconsider opposing trade itself simply because it benefits rich people. It often benefits you as well. Trade isn't a zero-sum game.
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