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#192 - Or you could hide a folder in a jpeg. Your welcome. 11/23/2012 on Porn Folder 0
#190 - Personally i have one in my anime folder under its a hidden pa…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/23/2012 on Porn Folder +14
#203 - DrSalvador (11/23/2012) [-]
I love collages!
User avatar #317 - whyfalsewhy (11/24/2012) [-]
Dam it always miss type those words, when i type collage i type college as well.
User avatar #318 - DrSalvador (11/24/2012) [-]
Oh, I know. But! Collage work!
#199 - anon (11/23/2012) [-]
you do collaging?
#9 - Renult Scenic get it right. 11/22/2012 on probably Lupus 0
#13 - Rediculously stupid its the deflector array that bounces space… 11/21/2012 on -.- 0
#255 - Didn't give us knolage it was actualy the knolage of right and… 11/21/2012 on Early Atheism 0
#527 - Again reply cap. I give up here the only source you h…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/21/2012 on True 0
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
#525 - Comment deleted  [+] (1 new reply) 11/21/2012 on True 0
User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
#523 - I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't …  [+] (5 new replies) 11/21/2012 on True 0
User avatar #524 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own bullshit, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
User avatar #527 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
#525 - whyfalsewhy has deleted their comment.
User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
#522 - full truth table should realy read: Allah + No = Atheist… 11/21/2012 on True 0
#520 - Couldn't rely to the other one so i will apply here. …  [+] (7 new replies) 11/21/2012 on True 0
User avatar #521 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm still waiting for a source to back up what you are saying about believing in one religion making you an atheist toward others, other than a person without a theological degree who has spoken on this...
User avatar #523 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't quoted someone dose not mean i am wrong, now if you were to read through the argument and say i went logically wrong somewhere that is constructive and fair as i have even went through the effort in describing my viewpoint, this is not a discussion in theology it is rather a discussion with Symantec because we are essentially debating over the meaning of words, it would be a matter of gaining a source on someone who is qualified to study languages.

Theologians tend to be believers and they would be wasting their time playing with words when they can be addressing other faiths, now when the Romans tossed Christians to lions in the arenas they would say something along the lines of away with these atheist, this was because the Christians did not believe in the Roman gods however if the Romans were also Christians they would have made no sense saying this, you can find many debates where this topic has come up and both sides are quick to get it out of the way because it pulls from bigger issues and can become boring quick, this makes it hard to find the quote you are searching for.
User avatar #524 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own bullshit, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
User avatar #527 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
#525 - whyfalsewhy has deleted their comment.
User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
#518 - Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God? And i'm …  [+] (1 new reply) 11/21/2012 on True 0
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
#516 - I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i …  [+] (3 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #517 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
User avatar #518 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
#514 - No the oxford dictionary is reliable, and as you seen there is…  [+] (5 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #515 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
*sigh* no point arguing with someone so convinced they're right that they're blinded to the facts...
User avatar #516 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i am saying, i am not very good with words which is why i tend to contradict myself, point where i am wrong and if its a valid point i will think it over, if you don't like that the dictionary you were using wasn't a reliable one why not look into why it wasn't reliable, the thing gives loose definitions with little to no supporting applications.

You do know not all site that seem reliable are don't you, would a teacher accept a quote from wikipeadia of corse not, it is user edited and can be made to say anything, not all sources are reliable.
User avatar #517 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
User avatar #518 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
#512 - Did some research there and the dictionary you are using isn't…  [+] (7 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #513 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
If you don't like the dictionary I am using, how about the Oxford English Dictionary?

Definition of atheism
noun
[mass noun]
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Definition of atheist
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing someone not crediting other sources besides a YouTube video
User avatar #514 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
No the oxford dictionary is reliable, and as you seen there is a difference between the previous definition and the one in the oxford dictionary, namely this "one a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods" note it says "God or Gods" so as you can see i was correct using this definition you can be atheist to A god.

Now you can see in the definition of atheism it is a mass noun as i said before i covers a scope of people rather that a group.

the YouTube video can be considered a credible source as it is Matt Dillhunty he was a very religious person before he became atheist and did this through studying to become a preacher, it is a clip taken for the show the atheist experience, Matt is a much more articulate person than i am and has had to define these terms a lot so it is safe to say he knows what he is talking about in terms of atheism, the definition he gives also deals with agnostics and nostics.
User avatar #515 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
*sigh* no point arguing with someone so convinced they're right that they're blinded to the facts...
User avatar #516 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i am saying, i am not very good with words which is why i tend to contradict myself, point where i am wrong and if its a valid point i will think it over, if you don't like that the dictionary you were using wasn't a reliable one why not look into why it wasn't reliable, the thing gives loose definitions with little to no supporting applications.

You do know not all site that seem reliable are don't you, would a teacher accept a quote from wikipeadia of corse not, it is user edited and can be made to say anything, not all sources are reliable.
User avatar #517 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
User avatar #518 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
#511 - Yeah its hateful. 11/20/2012 on True 0
#509 - "Politicians" enough said, they are mostly corrupt b…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #510 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah, communism is amazing in theory. However, due to human nature, it wouldn't work. That's the one and only flaw.
User avatar #511 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah its hateful.
#507 - You can not be included in the scope of atheism if you believe…  [+] (10 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #522 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
full truth table should realy read:
Allah + No = Atheist
Athena + No = Atheist
Allah + Yes = Theist
Athena + Yes = Theist

Shortened it because i was close to the character cap.
#508 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEIST

: one who believes that there is no deity

Again from Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

And you are now contradicting yourself. In your last argument, you said that theism and atheism are opposites, and now you are saying you can be both theist and atheist.
User avatar #520 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Couldn't rely to the other one so i will apply here.

I am not avoiding a question i was trying to build to a logical point, however i should have addressed that in my previous comment, you can look up Ricard dawkins' speech on the same topic he has an answer that is in essence the same.

Now back to my point, i looked up a list of the deities of Wicca and i agree that would have been tedious, but this helps, now assuming this site is right Allah is not a god in your religion and even if he is recognized just pretend he isn't.

Now using the definitions above i'll use the definitions from both dictionaries that apply, as one word can have many meanings both dictionaries displayed this.

Websters: a disbelief in the existence of deities
Oxford: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

Now we can build what is know as a truth table from this, i use these in my course in college they are basically just a table of inputs and outputs and what they output when combined.

Ok we can agree with the definitions above that if you do not believe in a god or gods you are an atheist, now we will use Allah as the example god.
the outputs can be one of two states of theistic belief either you are an atheist or a theist. now also using what i have found of your religion i will use an example as this table will be of your point of view.
The table is like so:

God + do you beleive = Atheist/Theist

Allah + No = Athiest
Athena + Yes = Theist


Now as both state state diffident outputs we have to go back to our definitions, both state the being an atheist is lacking a beleif in god/gods now you are atheistic towards Allah but theistic towards Athena, this would mean where Islam is concerned you are an atheist.,you are a theist when it comes to Athena so you get included in the scope of theism, i lacking a belief in any god that i have knowledge of leaves me in the scope of atheism my truth table would be tedious.
User avatar #521 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm still waiting for a source to back up what you are saying about believing in one religion making you an atheist toward others, other than a person without a theological degree who has spoken on this...
User avatar #523 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't quoted someone dose not mean i am wrong, now if you were to read through the argument and say i went logically wrong somewhere that is constructive and fair as i have even went through the effort in describing my viewpoint, this is not a discussion in theology it is rather a discussion with Symantec because we are essentially debating over the meaning of words, it would be a matter of gaining a source on someone who is qualified to study languages.

Theologians tend to be believers and they would be wasting their time playing with words when they can be addressing other faiths, now when the Romans tossed Christians to lions in the arenas they would say something along the lines of away with these atheist, this was because the Christians did not believe in the Roman gods however if the Romans were also Christians they would have made no sense saying this, you can find many debates where this topic has come up and both sides are quick to get it out of the way because it pulls from bigger issues and can become boring quick, this makes it hard to find the quote you are searching for.
User avatar #524 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own bullshit, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
User avatar #527 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
#525 - whyfalsewhy has deleted their comment.
User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
#505 - It can't bypass any law its the same as any other religion, it…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #506 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
I beg to differ. Politicians in the US use Christianity and the Bible as an excuse to not follow the Constitution all the damn time, when the Constitution itself says to keep religion out of politics.
User avatar #509 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
"Politicians" enough said, they are mostly corrupt bastards anyway, Marcist communism is better than the system most countries have today but unfortunately Stalin sort of put fear into people because one man had all the power in his system.

with Marcist Communism no one has absolute say in anything, leaving an less corrupt system right off the bat also everyone share so why take food out of your own mouth.
User avatar #510 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah, communism is amazing in theory. However, due to human nature, it wouldn't work. That's the one and only flaw.
User avatar #511 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah its hateful.
#503 - As i said before an the term atheist only shows your position …  [+] (20 new replies) 11/20/2012 on True 0
User avatar #504 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deities
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

The doctrine (belief) that there is NO deity. A disbelief in the existence of DEITIES.

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion
User avatar #512 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
Did some research there and the dictionary you are using isn't the most reliable.

I am not the most articulate person so here is someone who is skip to around 2minuites he dose a good definition of the terms.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RKZjSzYg
User avatar #513 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
If you don't like the dictionary I am using, how about the Oxford English Dictionary?

Definition of atheism
noun
[mass noun]
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Definition of atheist
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing someone not crediting other sources besides a YouTube video
User avatar #514 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
No the oxford dictionary is reliable, and as you seen there is a difference between the previous definition and the one in the oxford dictionary, namely this "one a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods" note it says "God or Gods" so as you can see i was correct using this definition you can be atheist to A god.

Now you can see in the definition of atheism it is a mass noun as i said before i covers a scope of people rather that a group.

the YouTube video can be considered a credible source as it is Matt Dillhunty he was a very religious person before he became atheist and did this through studying to become a preacher, it is a clip taken for the show the atheist experience, Matt is a much more articulate person than i am and has had to define these terms a lot so it is safe to say he knows what he is talking about in terms of atheism, the definition he gives also deals with agnostics and nostics.
User avatar #515 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
*sigh* no point arguing with someone so convinced they're right that they're blinded to the facts...
User avatar #516 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i am saying, i am not very good with words which is why i tend to contradict myself, point where i am wrong and if its a valid point i will think it over, if you don't like that the dictionary you were using wasn't a reliable one why not look into why it wasn't reliable, the thing gives loose definitions with little to no supporting applications.

You do know not all site that seem reliable are don't you, would a teacher accept a quote from wikipeadia of corse not, it is user edited and can be made to say anything, not all sources are reliable.
User avatar #517 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
User avatar #518 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
User avatar #507 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
You can not be included in the scope of atheism if you believe in a god because believing in even one god includes you in the scope of theism, now if you don't believe in say Allah, Zeus or Odin you do not believe in them ill take 2A from your definition here "a disbelief in the existence of deities " this makes you atheistic to these deities.

"The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion" If you say this in this way it makes it sound as if you are under the impression that all
gods are the same god.

You can be theist and atheist at the same time as both are only singular terms they only describe the position on one god, however the words theism and atheism both are not singular they cover a scope rather than one individual case.

atheist and atheism are two different words and have different definitions.
User avatar #522 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
full truth table should realy read:
Allah + No = Atheist
Athena + No = Atheist
Allah + Yes = Theist
Athena + Yes = Theist

Shortened it because i was close to the character cap.
#508 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEIST

: one who believes that there is no deity

Again from Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

And you are now contradicting yourself. In your last argument, you said that theism and atheism are opposites, and now you are saying you can be both theist and atheist.
User avatar #520 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Couldn't rely to the other one so i will apply here.

I am not avoiding a question i was trying to build to a logical point, however i should have addressed that in my previous comment, you can look up Ricard dawkins' speech on the same topic he has an answer that is in essence the same.

Now back to my point, i looked up a list of the deities of Wicca and i agree that would have been tedious, but this helps, now assuming this site is right Allah is not a god in your religion and even if he is recognized just pretend he isn't.

Now using the definitions above i'll use the definitions from both dictionaries that apply, as one word can have many meanings both dictionaries displayed this.

Websters: a disbelief in the existence of deities
Oxford: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

Now we can build what is know as a truth table from this, i use these in my course in college they are basically just a table of inputs and outputs and what they output when combined.

Ok we can agree with the definitions above that if you do not believe in a god or gods you are an atheist, now we will use Allah as the example god.
the outputs can be one of two states of theistic belief either you are an atheist or a theist. now also using what i have found of your religion i will use an example as this table will be of your point of view.
The table is like so:

God + do you beleive = Atheist/Theist

Allah + No = Athiest
Athena + Yes = Theist


Now as both state state diffident outputs we have to go back to our definitions, both state the being an atheist is lacking a beleif in god/gods now you are atheistic towards Allah but theistic towards Athena, this would mean where Islam is concerned you are an atheist.,you are a theist when it comes to Athena so you get included in the scope of theism, i lacking a belief in any god that i have knowledge of leaves me in the scope of atheism my truth table would be tedious.
User avatar #521 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm still waiting for a source to back up what you are saying about believing in one religion making you an atheist toward others, other than a person without a theological degree who has spoken on this...
User avatar #523 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't quoted someone dose not mean i am wrong, now if you were to read through the argument and say i went logically wrong somewhere that is constructive and fair as i have even went through the effort in describing my viewpoint, this is not a discussion in theology it is rather a discussion with Symantec because we are essentially debating over the meaning of words, it would be a matter of gaining a source on someone who is qualified to study languages.

Theologians tend to be believers and they would be wasting their time playing with words when they can be addressing other faiths, now when the Romans tossed Christians to lions in the arenas they would say something along the lines of away with these atheist, this was because the Christians did not believe in the Roman gods however if the Romans were also Christians they would have made no sense saying this, you can find many debates where this topic has come up and both sides are quick to get it out of the way because it pulls from bigger issues and can become boring quick, this makes it hard to find the quote you are searching for.
User avatar #524 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own bullshit, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
User avatar #527 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
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User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
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User avatar #502 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
And I apologize, but I'm not sure whether to recognize Kopimism as a religion or not. To me, it seems somewhat like it's an excuse to bypass the law against file-sharing.
User avatar #505 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
It can't bypass any law its the same as any other religion, it doesn't give you the excuse to break the law, its like other religions using their holly book to justify pedophilia isn't going to get them out of jail.

Religion doesn't allow you to break the law.
User avatar #506 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
I beg to differ. Politicians in the US use Christianity and the Bible as an excuse to not follow the Constitution all the damn time, when the Constitution itself says to keep religion out of politics.
User avatar #509 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
"Politicians" enough said, they are mostly corrupt bastards anyway, Marcist communism is better than the system most countries have today but unfortunately Stalin sort of put fear into people because one man had all the power in his system.

with Marcist Communism no one has absolute say in anything, leaving an less corrupt system right off the bat also everyone share so why take food out of your own mouth.
User avatar #510 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah, communism is amazing in theory. However, due to human nature, it wouldn't work. That's the one and only flaw.
User avatar #511 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
Yeah its hateful.
User avatar #501 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
I really can't wrap my head against any atheistic "religion" other than atheism itself. I don't understand how someone can say they don't believe in gods, yet they still worship gods. it seems to be completely contradictory.
User avatar #503 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
As i said before an the term atheist only shows your position on one god, if you are a christian you don't believe in Allah this would mean you are an atheist when it comes to Allah, now people who don't believe in a god of any kind will call themselves atheist as it describes their position on all gods.

There is no religion called atheism, atheism the the opposite of theism, atheism is a term used to describe a broad scope of people who don't believe in a god this generally only includes people who don't believe in any gods, the term theist is the same it covers a broad scope of people who believe in a god it doesn't matter what god they believe in if they believe in one they are a theist.

Theists are groups such as Islam, Jewdaism and Christianity which i'm sure you'll agree have many different beliefs but they are all included in the same broad scope, this scope is theism, the same is true with atheism, the term atheism covers a broad scope of many people with many different beliefs that don't believe in a god.

Atheism isn't a religion, it is a term used to describe someones beliefs on one aspect of faith, you can be an atheist and believe that the earth is flat, you can be one and believe that karma exists, you can even be atheist an believe that abortion is ok and you can be an atheist and believe that abortion is wrong, i myself believe that abortion is wrong but because people paint atheism with such a narrow view thinking it is a religion people will assume that i think abortion is ok because i'm an atheist.

You misspelling the term is not your fault it is the same a rocket science, unless you have spent time researching it you will not know what it is. Preachers and ministers are to blame for the mislableing as well, as they tend to say atheist believe this and that when they intentionally are being dishonest or in some cases they really don't know what they are talking about.

Sorry for the essay, if only i put half the effort into my collage work. lol
User avatar #504 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEISM

1
archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deities
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

The doctrine (belief) that there is NO deity. A disbelief in the existence of DEITIES.

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion
User avatar #512 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
Did some research there and the dictionary you are using isn't the most reliable.

I am not the most articulate person so here is someone who is skip to around 2minuites he dose a good definition of the terms.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RKZjSzYg
User avatar #513 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
If you don't like the dictionary I am using, how about the Oxford English Dictionary?

Definition of atheism
noun
[mass noun]
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Definition of atheist
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing someone not crediting other sources besides a YouTube video
User avatar #514 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
No the oxford dictionary is reliable, and as you seen there is a difference between the previous definition and the one in the oxford dictionary, namely this "one a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods" note it says "God or Gods" so as you can see i was correct using this definition you can be atheist to A god.

Now you can see in the definition of atheism it is a mass noun as i said before i covers a scope of people rather that a group.

the YouTube video can be considered a credible source as it is Matt Dillhunty he was a very religious person before he became atheist and did this through studying to become a preacher, it is a clip taken for the show the atheist experience, Matt is a much more articulate person than i am and has had to define these terms a lot so it is safe to say he knows what he is talking about in terms of atheism, the definition he gives also deals with agnostics and nostics.
User avatar #515 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
*sigh* no point arguing with someone so convinced they're right that they're blinded to the facts...
User avatar #516 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but you can see that the definition supports what i am saying, i am not very good with words which is why i tend to contradict myself, point where i am wrong and if its a valid point i will think it over, if you don't like that the dictionary you were using wasn't a reliable one why not look into why it wasn't reliable, the thing gives loose definitions with little to no supporting applications.

You do know not all site that seem reliable are don't you, would a teacher accept a quote from wikipeadia of corse not, it is user edited and can be made to say anything, not all sources are reliable.
User avatar #517 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am using merriam-webster.com and the Oxford English Dictionary, both of which are credible sources, but I would hardly count a theist turned atheist, as on the YouTube video, as a credible source.

Are there any other sources that you can find that state that each religious person is, in fact, an atheist toward another religion?
User avatar #518 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Ok do you believe in a God? If so which God?

And i'm not saying the Oxford dictionary is not reliable, i am saying the Merriam Webster dictionary isn't, i checked a few sources and many of them said that there are a lot of better dictionaries such as dictionary.com so that one is less reliable of a source than other potential sources.
User avatar #519 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
You are avoiding the question. I asked if YOU had any reliable, recognized theologian sources to back up your claims that if you believe in one religion, you are an atheist to a degree, other than a theist-turned-atheist who speaks at a table.

I myself practice Wicca, so I believe in many gods and goddesses. It's too tedious and tiresome to name all of them.
User avatar #507 - whyfalsewhy (11/20/2012) [-]
You can not be included in the scope of atheism if you believe in a god because believing in even one god includes you in the scope of theism, now if you don't believe in say Allah, Zeus or Odin you do not believe in them ill take 2A from your definition here "a disbelief in the existence of deities " this makes you atheistic to these deities.

"The very definition states that one cannot simply be atheistic toward one religion" If you say this in this way it makes it sound as if you are under the impression that all
gods are the same god.

You can be theist and atheist at the same time as both are only singular terms they only describe the position on one god, however the words theism and atheism both are not singular they cover a scope rather than one individual case.

atheist and atheism are two different words and have different definitions.
User avatar #522 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
full truth table should realy read:
Allah + No = Atheist
Athena + No = Atheist
Allah + Yes = Theist
Athena + Yes = Theist

Shortened it because i was close to the character cap.
#508 - xxxdemongirl (11/20/2012) [-]
Definition of ATHEIST

: one who believes that there is no deity

Again from Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

And you are now contradicting yourself. In your last argument, you said that theism and atheism are opposites, and now you are saying you can be both theist and atheist.
User avatar #520 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Couldn't rely to the other one so i will apply here.

I am not avoiding a question i was trying to build to a logical point, however i should have addressed that in my previous comment, you can look up Ricard dawkins' speech on the same topic he has an answer that is in essence the same.

Now back to my point, i looked up a list of the deities of Wicca and i agree that would have been tedious, but this helps, now assuming this site is right Allah is not a god in your religion and even if he is recognized just pretend he isn't.

Now using the definitions above i'll use the definitions from both dictionaries that apply, as one word can have many meanings both dictionaries displayed this.

Websters: a disbelief in the existence of deities
Oxford: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

Now we can build what is know as a truth table from this, i use these in my course in college they are basically just a table of inputs and outputs and what they output when combined.

Ok we can agree with the definitions above that if you do not believe in a god or gods you are an atheist, now we will use Allah as the example god.
the outputs can be one of two states of theistic belief either you are an atheist or a theist. now also using what i have found of your religion i will use an example as this table will be of your point of view.
The table is like so:

God + do you beleive = Atheist/Theist

Allah + No = Athiest
Athena + Yes = Theist


Now as both state state diffident outputs we have to go back to our definitions, both state the being an atheist is lacking a beleif in god/gods now you are atheistic towards Allah but theistic towards Athena, this would mean where Islam is concerned you are an atheist.,you are a theist when it comes to Athena so you get included in the scope of theism, i lacking a belief in any god that i have knowledge of leaves me in the scope of atheism my truth table would be tedious.
User avatar #521 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm still waiting for a source to back up what you are saying about believing in one religion making you an atheist toward others, other than a person without a theological degree who has spoken on this...
User avatar #523 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but refusing to read what i wrote because i haven't quoted someone dose not mean i am wrong, now if you were to read through the argument and say i went logically wrong somewhere that is constructive and fair as i have even went through the effort in describing my viewpoint, this is not a discussion in theology it is rather a discussion with Symantec because we are essentially debating over the meaning of words, it would be a matter of gaining a source on someone who is qualified to study languages.

Theologians tend to be believers and they would be wasting their time playing with words when they can be addressing other faiths, now when the Romans tossed Christians to lions in the arenas they would say something along the lines of away with these atheist, this was because the Christians did not believe in the Roman gods however if the Romans were also Christians they would have made no sense saying this, you can find many debates where this topic has come up and both sides are quick to get it out of the way because it pulls from bigger issues and can become boring quick, this makes it hard to find the quote you are searching for.
User avatar #524 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
I am not refusing to read what you write. I am reading it, and thinking that it is your own bullshit, that cannot be backed up by referencing sources.
Not all theologians are believers; many are agnostic, confused between religions because they study all.
User avatar #527 - whyfalsewhy (11/21/2012) [-]
Again reply cap.

I give up here the only source you have provided is a dictionary defonition, how am i to know that everything you have said is true, if we had to quote every peice of knowlage from someone else we would still be grunting rather than have a language, it is thinking yourself that helps things along, sometimes you can be wrong but without trial and error we would not be a far as we are today.
you can't demand a quote from a source every time somone says something to concider it true if not we would not have any sort of progress at all, i layed out what i was thinking you did nothing progressive the only things you have done so far is ask for work from other people and disscount two people who are concidered well enough versed to be asked for debates from many differnt faiths.
User avatar #528 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
What I have said is generally accepted by almost everyone, the exception being you.
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User avatar #526 - xxxdemongirl (11/21/2012) [-]
Prove to me that this isn't just something that you thought of.
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