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|#85 - As to avoid offending some religious person who has strong bel… [+] (8 new replies)||11/22/2014 on Science||+1|
#92 - mapleknight (11/22/2014) [-]
What I think is that there are troubles here, but they are our fault and the fault of the Beast. Satan, or the devil, or whatever you may call him.
We had the nerve to reject the kingdom of God and cling to ourselves for guidance. But as you probably know, we're not the best species to follow - particularly not the best species to be followed by ourselves.
God is to put a stop to it soon - that is his promise. He'll take care of it in a little while, but until then I am told that my job is to try my very best to turn men onto a more righteous path. The world is not a good place, and I want that to stop, just like you do.
#98 - wertologist (11/22/2014) [-]
My problem with that is that it seems childish to put punishment on every single human just because of some shit that happened a long time ago(according to Christianity?). Why punish people who have never even heard of said crimes or have any knowledge of god? Why would god put off fixing shit for another time? If he is all powerful why not just fix it now and the snap of his/her fingers? It just does not make sense to me and that is why I do no believe in any gods/goddesses.
I hope I'm not being offensive. Just stating my beliefs as requested.
#101 - mapleknight (11/22/2014) [-]
I don't believe in original sin. I do believe, however, that we did this. We ruined ourselves, and rejected God.
But is it childish for a judge to decide you are guilty for a crime you committed a couple of years ago? It is simple, we are not righteous. Not a single one of us is righteous. We are all criminals, breakers of universal law, and the word of Christ is the only way to save us. That is why there are missionaries all throughout the world. We're trying to save those who have not been saved, because we want glory for all.
Time is not for God like it is for us. Time comes to us constantly, we are always moving through time. Time is like a breath, though, for God. Time reaches us through Him. He is picking the right time that he knows would be best, where few to none could ever be saved. That's what Christians are trying to do - we're all just beggars, but true, real Christians who know the word of God are just beggars trying to help you find a loaf of bread.
You're not being offensive, these are things everyone has to come to terms with. I have.
#109 - wertologist (11/22/2014) [-]
It is childish to judge someone for a crime that happened a couple of thousand years ago if they had no part in it. I for one was only born 20 years ago. I am no criminal either. I strive to do good things whenever I can(within reason). If god can do anything, why can't he just fix things right now? If he views time differently than we do, why doesn't he look at it like we do and fix it? If he is all powerful he should be able to do it without a thought. Our society is fucked up nowadays, but don't try to say "we" as a whole. Everyone is different. Trying to judge the entire species guilty for all time is ridiculous in my opinion. That just sounds like ignorance to me. One other factor to me not being religious is pretty much every culture came up with it's own gods/goddesses. All these different cultures with different beliefs, but only one is right and it's the one that specific person believes in. One person knowing their religion is right while the other guy with a different religion who thinks theirs is right. It doesn't add up to me.
#112 - mapleknight (11/22/2014) [-]
Again, I don't believe in original sin. I just think that we, ourselves, corrupted Earth in our sin.
God is only judging us by his standards, as we judge others. But it is different for him, as He is holy and perfect. Nobody is innocent, by those standards. You cannot say that such standards are wrong, as we have laws in our societies that we judge criminals by. As does God.
And I think that, the reason there are so many religions are, to sum it up: Satan will never receive grace, as people have. He will never feel it. What do you do if you are deprived of the greatest, most glorious thing of all and all you feel is hate? You try to keep it from other people. You deceive them, and turn their own ideologies against them. You turn yourself into a God of these people, and convince them to believe whatever they're willing to believe. God will not stomp on their free will to believe or not believe in him, so He will not intervene. He knows who are His.
#128 - wertologist (11/22/2014) [-]
It doesn't make sense that a merciful god would punish someone who is unknowing. How many infants died at birth? Did they deserve punishment? Did they not deserve the chance to live, but corrupt evil people do? I am against following 1 individual without question. It feels too much like a dictatorship to me. I just do not believe in any god or goddess. I have stated my reasons and you stated your beliefs. I respect your beliefs so I will not bash them.
#129 - mapleknight (11/22/2014) [-]
Thank you, and I won't bash yours.
It's just a simple difference in perspective. God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked - imagine your girlfriend or a family member or something like that, burning for eternity. I don't mean this as a scare tactic, it's just to provide perspective. Imagine, then, you knew every single person as intimately as you know this person, even more closely. They were like a part of you. Now imagine it.
Imagine the pure horror and dread you would feel. It's terrible. It is a pain I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. All of this, each ounce of this pain is our fault. We did this. We should not claim that it is God's fault, because he was trying to protect us from this. We should blame ourselves. We were too stupid to get out of the way, then we corrupted everything. We fucked it all up, threw it out of whack, and we can't fix it.
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