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#90 - It's a common sense thing. I've never done any drugs. The only…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/11/2016 on Societal question +1
#96 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Holy hell, are you ok mate? You've genuinely confused me I've never had someone miss the point so badly, Like in this entire discussion I could be wrong but none of what you said in this one hit the point.

It was irrelevant to what I said, It was a stand alone question because I didn't want to assume anything before what I was going to describe.

How the hell do you figure that? My example literally is the exact opposite to that conclusion, you are punished for fucking up(jail), the praised for recovering(rehabilitating) instead of continuing to fuck up.

This entire paragraph has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, not once did I say anyone was misled about heroin. The entire argument is no one takes it to get addicted, they take it for other reasons then slip in.

Sorry I was about to tirade about how childish this last response was. Its not common and more often than not all they do is char the bottom of their shoes. My comparison was between the fact that they both have a motive, both are doing something dangerous, both could be hurt, but both don't necessarily get hurt.

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#115 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
Of course no one take it to get addicted, but it still happens. If you do it knowingly do heroin, you know you are extremely prone to getting addicted. You made a bad choice. Why does making a bad choice get you praise after you attempt to fix it? Yes it is hard to overcome, but you are the one who caused it.
#116 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Ignoring how nuanced this situation is and the fact that literally anyone who got addicted through escapism or depression etc counters this view point.

Because the addiction is external, like many of situations, say you go bankrupt but then you find a job, you're praised for getting a job for making progress.

We praise progress, whether or not you took steps back first. As long as you make progress we celebrate it. Getting into college, or getting a new job, are examples.

But so is being fired for making a mistake BUT finding another job?
#130 - anon (08/11/2016) [-]
You are fucking idiot.

NOBODY is FORCED to take heroine.

One takes it WILLIGNLY, even tho TV commercials warn us 24/7 about the bad effects, not talking about school and others.

If you fuck up your normal life, you are a stupid loser, nothing else. Heroine addicts are dumbasses.

I've also had depression and shit, and I never fucked up my life. I went on and on.
#132 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
I have never taken heroin... I specifically said this in the first post why is everyone so hellbent on misrepresenting me.

I didn't say anyone was forced to take heroin.

My best friend committed suicide during the withdrawal effects of heroin, I despise the stuff.
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#92 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
To add, I'm pretty sure with any job that has hazards, they would have to ask you if you were OK with the potential hazards. If you were a photographer and your boss asked you to take pictures of an active volcano, you can say no because it isn't safe.
#98 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Should add, I just meant a guy taking pictures, not someone paid to. It was just an example If you would like Sky divers and adrenaline junkies would be the better comparison.
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#103 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
And both of those are things people willingly do. If you willingly do anything, you accept responsibility for them.
#78 - I'm on the fence. I think the people who never did it(provided…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/11/2016 on Societal question +1
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#147 - thechosentroll (08/11/2016) [-]
For you, maybe. For most people, not so much, because the stuff they show you on TV about saying no to drug is pretty stupid. I can't say no to drugs, cause no one's ever offered me any. Turns out people don't just hand out expensive and illegal substances like they're candy. Who'd have thought?
#76 - If you really hate your neighbor, then yes. 08/11/2016 on Societal question +1
#73 - "Hey, want to try heroin?" "Yeah, sure"…  [+] (17 new replies) 08/11/2016 on Societal question +3
#77 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
You ever been addicted? To anything?

But yes its their fault for getting into the mess hence why they are punished for it. But noone goes:

"Hey wanna get addicted to heroin?"
"Sure"

There is a large difference. Ever seen a photographer stand on magma to get a good shot? Doesn't mean he deserves to lose his foot if he does. And if he mans up and keeps going despite not having a foot, that's a good thing.
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#90 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
It's a common sense thing. I've never done any drugs. The only thing I've ever been addicted to is caffeine. Me ever being an addict or not is completely irrelevant.

By your logic, we shouldn't punish people for knowingly committing a crime. It's very simple. If you knowingly do heroin, you are the only one to blame for that choice. It's not complicated.

I've never met anyone who thought heroin had no negative side effects. That's something they instill into all throughout school. There are ads everywhere talking about how harmful it is. If you are buying something illegal, that's a red flag. Especially if it's something you inject into your body. Don't pretend like every addict was forced into their hole. They grabbed the shovel and started digging. Sure where they are digging may be a popular dig spot and some people may help them dig, but they are still 100% responsible for starting in the first place.

Don't compare an addiction to a hazard job. They aren't comparable. One is a job that pays you money and the other will most likely ruin your life. If you insist on comparing them, then keep in mind the photographer is willingly taking a hazardous job. On a side note, I can't imagine many would step in magma. It can't be a common occurrence. That shit is hot as hell and you'd feel the heat before you got close enough to step in. Photography is also not usually a hazard job and heroin is the most addictive drug so you can't exactly compare the hazards as equal.
#96 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Holy hell, are you ok mate? You've genuinely confused me I've never had someone miss the point so badly, Like in this entire discussion I could be wrong but none of what you said in this one hit the point.

It was irrelevant to what I said, It was a stand alone question because I didn't want to assume anything before what I was going to describe.

How the hell do you figure that? My example literally is the exact opposite to that conclusion, you are punished for fucking up(jail), the praised for recovering(rehabilitating) instead of continuing to fuck up.

This entire paragraph has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, not once did I say anyone was misled about heroin. The entire argument is no one takes it to get addicted, they take it for other reasons then slip in.

Sorry I was about to tirade about how childish this last response was. Its not common and more often than not all they do is char the bottom of their shoes. My comparison was between the fact that they both have a motive, both are doing something dangerous, both could be hurt, but both don't necessarily get hurt.

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#115 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
Of course no one take it to get addicted, but it still happens. If you do it knowingly do heroin, you know you are extremely prone to getting addicted. You made a bad choice. Why does making a bad choice get you praise after you attempt to fix it? Yes it is hard to overcome, but you are the one who caused it.
#116 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Ignoring how nuanced this situation is and the fact that literally anyone who got addicted through escapism or depression etc counters this view point.

Because the addiction is external, like many of situations, say you go bankrupt but then you find a job, you're praised for getting a job for making progress.

We praise progress, whether or not you took steps back first. As long as you make progress we celebrate it. Getting into college, or getting a new job, are examples.

But so is being fired for making a mistake BUT finding another job?
#130 - anon (08/11/2016) [-]
You are fucking idiot.

NOBODY is FORCED to take heroine.

One takes it WILLIGNLY, even tho TV commercials warn us 24/7 about the bad effects, not talking about school and others.

If you fuck up your normal life, you are a stupid loser, nothing else. Heroine addicts are dumbasses.

I've also had depression and shit, and I never fucked up my life. I went on and on.
#132 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
I have never taken heroin... I specifically said this in the first post why is everyone so hellbent on misrepresenting me.

I didn't say anyone was forced to take heroin.

My best friend committed suicide during the withdrawal effects of heroin, I despise the stuff.
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#92 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
To add, I'm pretty sure with any job that has hazards, they would have to ask you if you were OK with the potential hazards. If you were a photographer and your boss asked you to take pictures of an active volcano, you can say no because it isn't safe.
#98 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Should add, I just meant a guy taking pictures, not someone paid to. It was just an example If you would like Sky divers and adrenaline junkies would be the better comparison.
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#103 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
And both of those are things people willingly do. If you willingly do anything, you accept responsibility for them.
#85 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Should add how that relates, The hole is addiction, the slopes are the way in and out. Jumping in would be going in knowing or trying to get addicted, as opposed to putting your foot on the slope to feel the ground.

Most people feel the ground and fall in. Some don't fall at all and walk away fine. And I've only ever heard of one person who jumped in.
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#95 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
Most people know the dangers of heroin(and by most, I don't mean somewhat more than half). Schools instill the dangers into kids all throughout school. In the USA, I think they start drug talk in like first or second grade. I've never met anyone who didn't know heroin has negative side effects. I can only realistically imagine a very small percentage of people don't(not counting third world countries). Most people do it because they either don't care about the risks or all they care about is their fix. Usually both. Negligence is not an excuse. If you were driving and hit someone, you would be held responsible(unless that person was at fault).

Stop trying to paint addicts as victims of other people. They took the first step in the wrong direction despite the warnings plastered everywhere. When people like you try to make excuses for addicts you're just making it easier for them to make more bad choices.

"It's not your fault you willingly took heroin"

People who make bad choices need to take responsibility for them. Not hide from it and pretend they were ignorant victims.
#97 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
You're genuinely upsetting me I can't understand how you've managed to get this narrative so stuck in your head that you're literally straw manning everything.

Answered this in the other response.

Not painting them as victims of other people, painting them as victims of their addiction.

Literally didn't say this.

Have said multiple times people are punished for taking heroin, its beating the addiction they are praised for. Because beating an addiction is hard, shows change and improvement.
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#105 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
How am I straw manning?

I'm just saying they shouldn't be praised more than people who never did it in the first place. Why does making a bad choice earn more merit than a good one?
#112 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
You're creating an argument for me then arguing against that.

I don't think I ever stated my actual opinion, my OP was a post explaining why I think its done in our society.

Ignoring the fact its a lot more complicated than that, Don't think of it as a bad decision, I'm addicted to salt for example, I never decided to get addicted to salt, heck salts not even chemically addictive, but I feel strong compulsions to eat it constantly, but I have an addiction from doing something I like. If I beat my salt addiction should I not be praised?

If a child is raised to smoke, them kicking the habit, should it not be praised?

Taking a drug addictive or not is a hobby, I know meth heads who are perfectly functional members of society. It's the addiction that can fuck you. And beating that addiction is one of the hardest things someone can do. And so its praised.

Functional stoners are praised for being functional etc.

#113 - slyblade (08/11/2016) [-]
Dammit, meant they aren't praised for being functional...
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#104 - Dropkicksxxx (08/11/2016) [-]
What's happening up above is this guy can't comprehend others, and hardships they may have gone through or what steps added up to someone trying heroin in the first place, it's common actually because people tend to assume that their life experiences are/should be everyone else's. I can preach all day not to be an alcoholic, but at the end of the day my parents didn't beat me and kill my dog in front of me only to grow up to have my wife of two years die in my arms then lose my job.
#46 - Usually people start with the first episode of a show when the… 08/11/2016 on Red vs Blue +1
#96 - That sounds like a horrible fan fiction filled with plot holes. 08/11/2016 on Leaves from the vine... +2
#36 - Most schools are cheap, but they make you pay for the food so … 08/11/2016 on milk 0
#35 - I doubt it. There's no way a school could punish people for so… 08/11/2016 on milk 0
#13 - I doubt they would use defective mutates for assassins so I im…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/10/2016 on Marvel Comp 1 +2
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#79 - matamune (08/11/2016) [-]
also they were yakuza, essentially gangsters from japan, not trained assassins
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#16 - klick (08/10/2016) [-]
well, they would use who they had available. Also, just because the mutation worked well for one person doesn't mean it'll work well for another. you're basically pasting genetic code on top of your own and hoping for the best.
not to mention these mutants had years of practice with their powers, figure out how to control and use them. Cant inject that
#23 - Not during the time it took place which is the point.  [+] (4 new replies) 08/10/2016 on milk +14
#26 - totl (08/10/2016) [-]
what about private schools that are very old fashioned?
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#35 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
I doubt it. There's no way a school could punish people for something as simple as not drinking milk. The bad publicity would burn them.
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#25 - iamnotpolarpulse (08/10/2016) [-]
maybe some schools are just cheap but you know its 4chan it could be fake


also kys fucking faggot slit your fucking wrists
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#36 - wertologist (08/11/2016) [-]
Most schools are cheap, but they make you pay for the food so they aren't affected by what you choose to do with the milk once you buy it. Drink it or pour it on the ground, they already got your money.