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#248 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
bedankt
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#210 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
Then you must weigh your nationalism and independence higher. Just know that in the long run this will do more harm than good for the dutch economy and political influence. Even though the dutch might not be a part of the EU they will still be influenced by its decisions on large, but by staying a part of it the dutch will also have a say in what happens. So you can kinda say that it is easier to fuck with the system from the inside that the outside.

Just my 2 cents.
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#255 - lotengo (06/22/2016) [-]
If we leave that hell hole others will follow and the EU will crash with no survivors
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#259 - truemecid (06/22/2016) [-]
Do not be too sure of that. If you look at the pools of different countries you will still see that sizeable portions (often the majority) looks favorably upon the EU. Just because you spend so much time finding articles about how horrible the EU and how much trouble the refugees are, you shouldn't believe your own propaganda too much.

I think it is far more likely the EU is here to stay due to interdepencies that countries have developed infrastructually, socially and economically. It will keep the peace most likely.
#193 - (Joke about Ireland's priorities regarding beer) That asid…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/21/2016 on Vote leave, EU SUCKS 0
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#209 - viscerys (06/21/2016) [-]
Our troops have been in pretty much every major conflict, but I think we have a sort of mercenary outlook on that. As in, we get paid for peacekeeping in troubled places.

Also, you should see Ireland at the moment. Basically tropical weather, it's great.
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#211 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
I hate the tropical weather, we get that every summer in Holland. It's so damn hot and you can't even cool off properly because it's also so damn humid ._.
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#201 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
The whole point of the EU is for the member countries to make common decision which might not have an immediate effect for some right away but might help others so the region can grow stronger as a whole.
#186 - I am not from America, mind you. I'm from Holland, and I have …  [+] (11 new replies) 06/21/2016 on Vote leave, EU SUCKS +4
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#200 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
The EU is not perfect. But it is definately a good thing. As the anon mentioned earlier the EU has standardized a lot of things and put in restriction for polution, health, food and other things which in the end bodes well for the general population.

Yeah the refugees are quite the hassel, but the EU has to abide by the UN's humanitarian rules which they try. This of course has created this current refugee crisis as the eastern part of EU is being flotted and most countries are preparing to deport most of the refugees once Syria and the surrounding countries are more stable.

Some have of course abused these acts of good will and there will always be some, but you should not always focus on the bad and what Lotengo posts.

The whole political correct is a bit harsh in this contrast. They are not pushing third wave feminist policies but are rather trying to act according to the UN's code of conduct. Sure there are left wings and there have been scandals regarding the censorship of the media regarding the attacks from imigrants. Which were wrong. But they are hardly the work of the EU and are mainly the choice of the respective countries. i can see the point of trying to censor it as many people already were scared of the refugees and when these stories come out the hate would only grow (which it has as people can see with the recent harsh critique of EU).

Also the recent EU pushed for countries to take in refugees is because other EU countries were taking the brunt of the refugees (Read: Greece, Italy and some of the Balkan area). So it is more an act of solidarity towards fellow member countries than the refugees because the members countries (which are mainly countries with poor economic structure atm) could not handle it and could be forced to use drastic measures (like setting up military along the border who would sink the refugees).

The EU brings with it undeniable economic and infrastructual pros. The removal of customs has led to an increased export between customs and cheaper goods in general. Plus the freedom to work anywhere in the EU as a member country allows for highly flexible work force between countries. Instead of tiresome and slow visa procedures which halts growth.

So in essence the EU brings a lot of good in exchange for compliance to some prohibition (which often relates to food, polution, economic growth, trading and human rights) were some are good and bad (in this case the refugee crisis got ugly but it would have been ugly no matter what if you ask me).

So you have to weigh in what you want the most. Look at what the EU can offer instead of listening to mainstream media were both the right and left lies like there is no tomorrow and drives a narrative.
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#249 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
I'm to tired to break down the complete comment.
But lets focus on 2 things here.
>. Plus the freedom to work anywhere in the EU as a member country allows for highly flexible work force between countries. Instead of tiresome and slow visa procedures which halts growth.
Thats mainly used by Polacks, Bulgarians and Romanians (and Ukrainians if they get in the EU) to go to England and Germany and the Netherlands to pick up the jobs that don't require any degree like working in greenhouses and agriculture. They get paid under the table and dive below minimum wage, get rekt britbongs.

And a lot of people talk about being left out of the trade here and there. You don't need the EU to trade. England trades with countries all over the world, they don't buy their oil from fucking Denmark...You can always make new trade agreements with other countries, it can be done in no time.
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#252 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
> Thats mainly used by Polacks, Bulgarians and Romanians (and Ukrainians if they get in the EU) to go to England and Germany and the Netherlands to pick up the jobs that don't require any degree like working in greenhouses and agriculture. They get paid under the table and dive below minimum wage, get rekt britbongs.

This is not correct. Many of the adjuncts (Phd's working on their next degree) at my university (and all the others I know of where my friends study or work) are foreigners. Thus the free travel between EU countries and the ease at which you can get work in other countries is very useful to get highly skilled and educated people from other countries to come work for you or let you work in another country. It is not just for low end jobs that no one else wants beside the desperate.

Britain might be trading with the entire world. Heck all countries in the EU do that, but most of the import and export (this is especially the case for perishable goods like food, since you can not eat oil) to and from Britain goes to the EU as they are the UK's closest neighbours. If they have to pay customs all of a sudden then the cost of everything will go up unless the quality of the goods go down (or people get fired) so the cost can be kept down and therefore the price. So in the end it will hurt the overall GDP of the UK if they have to reintroduce customs between their current trade partners in the EU.
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#254 - lotengo (06/22/2016) [-]
>. If they have to pay customs all of a sudden then the cost of everything will go up unless the quality of the goods go down
you can always make a new trade agreement that doesn't require paying customs.
Norway and Switserland are part of the schengen area and not in the EU, you can work things out.

And colleges aside, if I hop on my bike go to the fields, my region has a lot of asparagus and strawberry fields, everybody who is working on the fields who is not a 12-15 year old is either Polish or the guy in charge.
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#258 - truemecid (06/22/2016) [-]
> you can always make a new trade agreement that doesn't require paying customs.
Norway and Switserland are part of the schengen area and not in the EU, you can work things out.

That is one of the main points of the EU. Plus both Norway and Switzerland have to pay customs which is one of the reasons their goods are so god damn expensive.

> And colleges aside, if I hop on my bike go to the fields, my region has a lot of asparagus and strawberry fields, everybody who is working on the fields who is not a 12-15 year old is either Polish or the guy in charge.

You can not just discount the highly educated and very specialized workforce which make great use of the open borders and thus become even greater and more flexible assets for the workforce. Besides I can go to the fields where I live and find farms and horticulture with mainly locals working there. Of course foreignrers from poor coming to workunder the table is a problem, but it is also a risk with a very large fine (at least where Ilive).
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#265 - sonicschall (06/22/2016) [-]
Also, Norway and Switzerland are allowed to import and export from the EU, but they have to adhere to the regulations of the EU, without having a say in those regulations.
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#207 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
That's quite the essay for something like funnyjunk ._.

I see your points and I agree with some, but the thing I really dislike about the EU is the fact that it nullifies the way individual countries want to handle things. It feels like it takes away the fact that a country is for the people from that country, not for everyone trying to go there. In Holland for example, there are some cities where there are more Mosques than churches, while Holland was at some points in history known for it's Calvinism. There are neighbourhoods where there are more immigrants than Dutchmen.

Now I do want to clarify that I'm half Dutch/half Peruvian, but my behaviour differs so much from other immigrants. It's kind of the difference between a black guy and a nigger, you know? This is especially true in the bigger cities, like Arnhem and Amsterdam.

The EU would be much more tolerable in my book if they would interfere less in political/humanitarian decisions which should be dealt with by the individual countries. But the way things seem to be going, I don't think the EU is gonna last long anyways.

(Btw, I never look at what lotengo posts, I think those comps are a propaganda joke)
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#248 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
bedankt
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#210 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
Then you must weigh your nationalism and independence higher. Just know that in the long run this will do more harm than good for the dutch economy and political influence. Even though the dutch might not be a part of the EU they will still be influenced by its decisions on large, but by staying a part of it the dutch will also have a say in what happens. So you can kinda say that it is easier to fuck with the system from the inside that the outside.

Just my 2 cents.
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#255 - lotengo (06/22/2016) [-]
If we leave that hell hole others will follow and the EU will crash with no survivors
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#259 - truemecid (06/22/2016) [-]
Do not be too sure of that. If you look at the pools of different countries you will still see that sizeable portions (often the majority) looks favorably upon the EU. Just because you spend so much time finding articles about how horrible the EU and how much trouble the refugees are, you shouldn't believe your own propaganda too much.

I think it is far more likely the EU is here to stay due to interdepencies that countries have developed infrastructually, socially and economically. It will keep the peace most likely.
#141 - The EU is a broken system in itself. It should have stayed a t…  [+] (21 new replies) 06/21/2016 on Vote leave, EU SUCKS -2
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#191 - viscerys (06/21/2016) [-]
If Ireland wasn't in the EU, we'd be paying €2 at least for a can of beer

That's my reason for supporting it anyway.
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#193 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
(Joke about Ireland's priorities regarding beer)
That aside though, the beer is something that comes from a trade agreement. Has Ireland not been discouraged or forced into certain political decisions by the EU? I mean, there have probably been some instances where Ireland has been grouped with a decision that didn't actually concern them, as was the case with many countries in different points of time, regarding the EU.

(Btw, I've been to Ireland once. Lovely place, the weather wasn't as lovely though ._.)
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#209 - viscerys (06/21/2016) [-]
Our troops have been in pretty much every major conflict, but I think we have a sort of mercenary outlook on that. As in, we get paid for peacekeeping in troubled places.

Also, you should see Ireland at the moment. Basically tropical weather, it's great.
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#211 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
I hate the tropical weather, we get that every summer in Holland. It's so damn hot and you can't even cool off properly because it's also so damn humid ._.
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#201 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
The whole point of the EU is for the member countries to make common decision which might not have an immediate effect for some right away but might help others so the region can grow stronger as a whole.
#176 - anon (06/21/2016) [-]
lulwat?

The EU NEEDS to be more than just a trade agreement.
The EU holds nation members responsible for living up to not polluting e.g. the ground and seawaters.
There are harmonized laws on the industrial front so that companies to a lesser extent can cherry pick which EU country they place their factories in. This is good because then companies have to actually take the environment seriosly.

The bathing waters have also gone through law harmonizing (in 2010 and 2012) which means that you can now compare the quality on bathing waters in the entire EU.
www.eea.europa.eu/themes/water/interactive/bathing/state-of-bathing-waters
And there are many more good initiatives that you never hear about - Because the EU is really shitty at getting their accomplishments through to the citizens. This is in no small part due to the media only caring about bad stories, because bad stories generate more clicks.


Yes, the EU is bureaucratic, because there is no one language and there are several different cultures.
But EU is damn necessary to keep the peace in Europe - no nation members have been to war with one another after both have joined the EU. And EU has historically been a giant battleground for millenia. THIS IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY BY SOME LAZY WANNABE CONFEDERATE WHO'S SAD THAT THE INFANT NATION USA ABOLISHED SLAVERY!

So, Americunts, if you want to destro a union, then make your own states secede.
Lord knows you should - I mean, you are soo diverse and divided on so many issues. You couldn't possibly stay together...
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#250 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
>But EU is damn necessary to keep the peace in Europe - no nation members have been to war with one another after both have joined the EU. And EU has historically been a giant battleground for millenia.

What iss NATO?
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#194 - sonicschall (06/21/2016) [-]
Furthermore, they're also getting rid of roaming costs for mobile phones in the EU.
Which certainly is a good thing.
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#186 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
I am not from America, mind you. I'm from Holland, and I have only seen the EU as a union trying to force restrictions. The things they want to do are being done too slow, they are not transparant and the EU meetings also suffer a great deal from being politically correct. The EU was one of the instances that forced the Netherlands to open it's borders for the refugees while there were not enough houses, jobs or other facilities for it's own people.
That's also adding that the Netherlands already had a Muslim problem, which mostly stems from Maroccan immigrants. While the Dutch parliament wanted to assess the situation, the EU made sure that all countries within the EU should be chivalrous and let them in. Such a system does not work for Europe, since each country has different problems.
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#200 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
The EU is not perfect. But it is definately a good thing. As the anon mentioned earlier the EU has standardized a lot of things and put in restriction for polution, health, food and other things which in the end bodes well for the general population.

Yeah the refugees are quite the hassel, but the EU has to abide by the UN's humanitarian rules which they try. This of course has created this current refugee crisis as the eastern part of EU is being flotted and most countries are preparing to deport most of the refugees once Syria and the surrounding countries are more stable.

Some have of course abused these acts of good will and there will always be some, but you should not always focus on the bad and what Lotengo posts.

The whole political correct is a bit harsh in this contrast. They are not pushing third wave feminist policies but are rather trying to act according to the UN's code of conduct. Sure there are left wings and there have been scandals regarding the censorship of the media regarding the attacks from imigrants. Which were wrong. But they are hardly the work of the EU and are mainly the choice of the respective countries. i can see the point of trying to censor it as many people already were scared of the refugees and when these stories come out the hate would only grow (which it has as people can see with the recent harsh critique of EU).

Also the recent EU pushed for countries to take in refugees is because other EU countries were taking the brunt of the refugees (Read: Greece, Italy and some of the Balkan area). So it is more an act of solidarity towards fellow member countries than the refugees because the members countries (which are mainly countries with poor economic structure atm) could not handle it and could be forced to use drastic measures (like setting up military along the border who would sink the refugees).

The EU brings with it undeniable economic and infrastructual pros. The removal of customs has led to an increased export between customs and cheaper goods in general. Plus the freedom to work anywhere in the EU as a member country allows for highly flexible work force between countries. Instead of tiresome and slow visa procedures which halts growth.

So in essence the EU brings a lot of good in exchange for compliance to some prohibition (which often relates to food, polution, economic growth, trading and human rights) were some are good and bad (in this case the refugee crisis got ugly but it would have been ugly no matter what if you ask me).

So you have to weigh in what you want the most. Look at what the EU can offer instead of listening to mainstream media were both the right and left lies like there is no tomorrow and drives a narrative.
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#249 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
I'm to tired to break down the complete comment.
But lets focus on 2 things here.
>. Plus the freedom to work anywhere in the EU as a member country allows for highly flexible work force between countries. Instead of tiresome and slow visa procedures which halts growth.
Thats mainly used by Polacks, Bulgarians and Romanians (and Ukrainians if they get in the EU) to go to England and Germany and the Netherlands to pick up the jobs that don't require any degree like working in greenhouses and agriculture. They get paid under the table and dive below minimum wage, get rekt britbongs.

And a lot of people talk about being left out of the trade here and there. You don't need the EU to trade. England trades with countries all over the world, they don't buy their oil from fucking Denmark...You can always make new trade agreements with other countries, it can be done in no time.
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#252 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
> Thats mainly used by Polacks, Bulgarians and Romanians (and Ukrainians if they get in the EU) to go to England and Germany and the Netherlands to pick up the jobs that don't require any degree like working in greenhouses and agriculture. They get paid under the table and dive below minimum wage, get rekt britbongs.

This is not correct. Many of the adjuncts (Phd's working on their next degree) at my university (and all the others I know of where my friends study or work) are foreigners. Thus the free travel between EU countries and the ease at which you can get work in other countries is very useful to get highly skilled and educated people from other countries to come work for you or let you work in another country. It is not just for low end jobs that no one else wants beside the desperate.

Britain might be trading with the entire world. Heck all countries in the EU do that, but most of the import and export (this is especially the case for perishable goods like food, since you can not eat oil) to and from Britain goes to the EU as they are the UK's closest neighbours. If they have to pay customs all of a sudden then the cost of everything will go up unless the quality of the goods go down (or people get fired) so the cost can be kept down and therefore the price. So in the end it will hurt the overall GDP of the UK if they have to reintroduce customs between their current trade partners in the EU.
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#254 - lotengo (06/22/2016) [-]
>. If they have to pay customs all of a sudden then the cost of everything will go up unless the quality of the goods go down
you can always make a new trade agreement that doesn't require paying customs.
Norway and Switserland are part of the schengen area and not in the EU, you can work things out.

And colleges aside, if I hop on my bike go to the fields, my region has a lot of asparagus and strawberry fields, everybody who is working on the fields who is not a 12-15 year old is either Polish or the guy in charge.
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#258 - truemecid (06/22/2016) [-]
> you can always make a new trade agreement that doesn't require paying customs.
Norway and Switserland are part of the schengen area and not in the EU, you can work things out.

That is one of the main points of the EU. Plus both Norway and Switzerland have to pay customs which is one of the reasons their goods are so god damn expensive.

> And colleges aside, if I hop on my bike go to the fields, my region has a lot of asparagus and strawberry fields, everybody who is working on the fields who is not a 12-15 year old is either Polish or the guy in charge.

You can not just discount the highly educated and very specialized workforce which make great use of the open borders and thus become even greater and more flexible assets for the workforce. Besides I can go to the fields where I live and find farms and horticulture with mainly locals working there. Of course foreignrers from poor coming to workunder the table is a problem, but it is also a risk with a very large fine (at least where Ilive).
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#265 - sonicschall (06/22/2016) [-]
Also, Norway and Switzerland are allowed to import and export from the EU, but they have to adhere to the regulations of the EU, without having a say in those regulations.
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#207 - watermelonkittie (06/21/2016) [-]
That's quite the essay for something like funnyjunk ._.

I see your points and I agree with some, but the thing I really dislike about the EU is the fact that it nullifies the way individual countries want to handle things. It feels like it takes away the fact that a country is for the people from that country, not for everyone trying to go there. In Holland for example, there are some cities where there are more Mosques than churches, while Holland was at some points in history known for it's Calvinism. There are neighbourhoods where there are more immigrants than Dutchmen.

Now I do want to clarify that I'm half Dutch/half Peruvian, but my behaviour differs so much from other immigrants. It's kind of the difference between a black guy and a nigger, you know? This is especially true in the bigger cities, like Arnhem and Amsterdam.

The EU would be much more tolerable in my book if they would interfere less in political/humanitarian decisions which should be dealt with by the individual countries. But the way things seem to be going, I don't think the EU is gonna last long anyways.

(Btw, I never look at what lotengo posts, I think those comps are a propaganda joke)
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#248 - lotengo (06/21/2016) [-]
bedankt
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#210 - truemecid (06/21/2016) [-]
Then you must weigh your nationalism and independence higher. Just know that in the long run this will do more harm than good for the dutch economy and political influence. Even though the dutch might not be a part of the EU they will still be influenced by its decisions on large, but by staying a part of it the dutch will also have a say in what happens. So you can kinda say that it is easier to fuck with the system from the inside that the outside.

Just my 2 cents.
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#255 - lotengo (06/22/2016) [-]
If we leave that hell hole others will follow and the EU will crash with no survivors
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#259 - truemecid (06/22/2016) [-]
Do not be too sure of that. If you look at the pools of different countries you will still see that sizeable portions (often the majority) looks favorably upon the EU. Just because you spend so much time finding articles about how horrible the EU and how much trouble the refugees are, you shouldn't believe your own propaganda too much.

I think it is far more likely the EU is here to stay due to interdepencies that countries have developed infrastructually, socially and economically. It will keep the peace most likely.
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