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#32 - If I were an experienced driver (I don't even have a license) …  [+] (14 new replies) 06/26/2015 on Don't be salt and drive -3
User avatar #59 - poutinesalad (06/26/2015) [-]
No. People who drive with that mindset do not belong on the roads. That would make you worse than he is.
User avatar #77 - poutinesalad (06/26/2015) [-]
Thumb me down all you want, but potentially killing someone for being a dick is not how you drive.

Y'all need to grow the fuck up.
User avatar #44 - windson (06/26/2015) [-]
You really don't wanna do that at those speeds.
User avatar #45 - warbob (06/26/2015) [-]
probably quite dangerous.

But if you don't look dangerous , how is the other side going to get the crap scared out of them?
User avatar #95 - poutinesalad (06/27/2015) [-]
No. Just no. You do not deserve a license with that kind of attitude about driving. You dont go on the road to scare the crap out of people. You go on the road to get from one point to another safely.

User avatar #93 - frenzyhero (06/27/2015) [-]
Do you have any idea how shitty the average tyre is?
User avatar #63 - windson (06/26/2015) [-]
Just pull out a gun at him.
#35 - willys (06/26/2015) [-]
If you ever get your license, do not fucking do that.
#48 - willys (06/26/2015) [-]
legodude, you're a shitty driver. Accept it.
User avatar #58 - legodude (06/26/2015) [-]
Erm... no
User avatar #78 - legodude (06/26/2015) [-]
willys, you're a shitty driver. Accept it.
#79 - willys (06/26/2015) [-]
My job driving 18-wheelers professionally with a spotless safety record says otherwise.
#108 - legodude (06/27/2015) [-]
User avatar #37 - warbob (06/26/2015) [-]
probably

#1260248 - Aion imo a great game that is overlooked. 06/25/2015 on Video Games Board - console... 0
#67 - I think people don't understand. PC users don't dislike consol… 06/24/2015 on The End Times 0
#1259093 - if you still have a key , I'd be glad to play the game , it lo… 06/23/2015 on Video Games Board - console... 0
#61 - I wouldn't call the inability to draw a square properly an art style. 06/23/2015 on ACTUALLY good anime +1
#15 - I didn't imagine anyone saying "Sorry." either 06/23/2015 on Most Canadian Gif Ever +2
#57 - Ping Pong had a great premise and potential But it fa…  [+] (2 new replies) 06/23/2015 on ACTUALLY good anime 0
#60 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
the animation looks very fluid, there is more frames in there than in the most animes out there...
it's the style isn't it?

I wouldn't go as far as to say the animation is crap when it actually looks so smooth. you just don't like the artstyle. needs more moe eh?
User avatar #61 - warbob (06/23/2015) [-]
I wouldn't call the inability to draw a square properly an art style.
#217 - If someone liked the Irregular at a highschool (or Mahouka Kou… 06/23/2015 on Actually Good Anime 0
#194 - do you actually google any of your arguments to dobule check t…  [+] (1 new reply) 06/22/2015 on For Honor 0
User avatar #195 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
At this point you're just nitpicking my responses and looking for any sort of miniscule mistake. Which you're likely going to find, considering I've barely slept for past 3 days and instead spent most of the days staring in Visual Studio trying to finish my project for college.
But fine, I'll humor you.

> Wikipedia
'Nuff said. Ronin were more often than not simple mercenaries, although that stuff is a matter of some debate among historians, so I'll concede on that point, to certain degree.

Second, that Do-maru armor is just one type of armor out of dozen that existed in just that period, and one of dozens developed over the period of hundreds of years. And its also not a complete armor, as its wearer would also carry several layers of leather clothing, chainmail parts, et cetera.
Do-maru is also not what you'd consider a heavy armor. Its closest European counterpart would be scalemail or lamellar (could be wrong).
And guess what? Both Do-maru and scalemail weigh between 12 and 15 kilos.
Now compare standard plate armor to lets say, Tosei Gusoku, something widely considered as a standard Japanese heavy armor. Whoop-de-doo, both weigh between 20 and 25 kilos.

Japanese armors were NOT any lighter than European ones. They also provided less protection compared to European ones due to the fact that, well, there was less armor that you were wearing, but also because European metalworkers were pretty much constantly years ahead of their Japanese counterparts. There's also the fact that European armors were better at distributing its weight over the body of its wearers than Japanese ones do, although this could be debatable due to the fact that European armors were primarily made as defense again bladed weapon, while Japanese ones were made against piercing weapons, so its pretty fucking obvious that you're going to have design differences there.
#192 - you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is… 06/22/2015 on For Honor 0
#191 - generally you are right, but you are not factoring the differe… 06/22/2015 on For Honor -1
#190 - as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as … 06/22/2015 on For Honor 0
#189 - Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are… 06/22/2015 on For Honor 0
#188 - First of all , I know next to nothing about katanas , perhaps …  [+] (3 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -2
User avatar #193 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
Again, thats bullshit. Iron doesn't magically weigh less in Japan than it does in Europe.

Not to mention that this whole fucking topic is completely nonsense. There's no such thing as singular European knight nor Japanese samurai. Over the course of hundreds of years, techniques, gears, weapons, armors, trainings changed constantly, so trying to generalize both sides and then compare them like this is just pure nonsense.

But in general, you're WAY overestimating how much mobility samurais had and relied on, and you're WAY underestimating how much mobility European knights had. Take it from someone who wore the damn thing, and who watched live sparring matches and follows the whole medieval weapons/armors topic pretty closely.

Samurais were heavily-armored combatants. There wasn't any substantial dodging nor rolling involved in their repertoire, nor any more gimmicks than equally skilled European knight would have used. If you don't believe me, just do a cursory google search yourself.

Its pretty obvious you are severely misinformed about the whole subject and you're going on nothing but pop-culture references here. I don't mean anything bad by it, its not like its a fucking important subject that everyone has to be well versed into, but why the fuck take that stance so vehemently when you're going with nothing but flat out false facts?

Also, Ronin are not disgraced warriors, as they are shown in pop-culture. They are simply warriors who are not in active service. That could be due to death of master, which can be considered as disgrace, but those were pretty rare.
User avatar #194 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
do you actually google any of your arguments to dobule check them?

Ronin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C5%8Dnin
Japanese armour: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ (adopted by all in 15th century , but used even in 11th)

Samurai armour wasn't entirely steel nor was it covering the entire body unless you're speaking of the very early periods.
User avatar #195 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
At this point you're just nitpicking my responses and looking for any sort of miniscule mistake. Which you're likely going to find, considering I've barely slept for past 3 days and instead spent most of the days staring in Visual Studio trying to finish my project for college.
But fine, I'll humor you.

> Wikipedia
'Nuff said. Ronin were more often than not simple mercenaries, although that stuff is a matter of some debate among historians, so I'll concede on that point, to certain degree.

Second, that Do-maru armor is just one type of armor out of dozen that existed in just that period, and one of dozens developed over the period of hundreds of years. And its also not a complete armor, as its wearer would also carry several layers of leather clothing, chainmail parts, et cetera.
Do-maru is also not what you'd consider a heavy armor. Its closest European counterpart would be scalemail or lamellar (could be wrong).
And guess what? Both Do-maru and scalemail weigh between 12 and 15 kilos.
Now compare standard plate armor to lets say, Tosei Gusoku, something widely considered as a standard Japanese heavy armor. Whoop-de-doo, both weigh between 20 and 25 kilos.

Japanese armors were NOT any lighter than European ones. They also provided less protection compared to European ones due to the fact that, well, there was less armor that you were wearing, but also because European metalworkers were pretty much constantly years ahead of their Japanese counterparts. There's also the fact that European armors were better at distributing its weight over the body of its wearers than Japanese ones do, although this could be debatable due to the fact that European armors were primarily made as defense again bladed weapon, while Japanese ones were made against piercing weapons, so its pretty fucking obvious that you're going to have design differences there.
#139 - not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faste… 06/22/2015 on For Honor -4
#137 - in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays …  [+] (2 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -3
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
#134 - the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable …  [+] (3 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -2
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#124 - yes, and? the average samurai was more skilled than t…  [+] (14 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -8
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
#120 - cant't argue much about metals , but in terms of sword mastery…  [+] (16 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -8
#123 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Weabo pls. Just because Europeans didn't worship our own sword masters doesn't mean we didn't have them. Historical fencing/fighting manuals from europe show skills that would be a match for any dojo
User avatar #124 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
yes, and?

the average samurai was more skilled than the average knight. The knights were slow due to their armour and were also reliant on it , samurais were wearing lighter armour and were quicker and more mobile , also practiced many techniques for dodging , tumbling and etc.
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
#114 - to be fair , if it were based on reality samurai would indeed …  [+] (24 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -14
User avatar #144 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
Second comment in, and already katana cultist detected.

Listen here, you little shit: fucking katana or any other Japanese weapon will either break or get severely damaged in blade-on-bade contact with pretty much any standard European medieval melee weapon. Without exception. And good fucking luck trying to fight a European knight without being able to parry his attacks (as in, being anything less than Altair on steroids and not making a single mistake will get you a fucking sword stuck through your heart).
Especially if they are using something like Zweihander. Or if they are using shield, then you can fucking quit right away.
There's also the difference in armor: Europeans have access to far superior chain mail, which is specifically meant to protect again slashing attacks. And thats if Japanese fighter even manages to get his weapon in a weak spot of enemy's plate armor without breaking the weapon, which, again, is not suited for such pair-up.

And as far as armor goes, Japanese armor are pretty much always borderline same in weight to same-era European armors. Granted, Japanese fighters tended to not wear as much armor, preferring leave knees and other spots open, but the difference is miniscule.
I don't even want to go into the extremely common misconception that armor-clad European knights were slow, immobile hulks. I'll just say that if anyone thinks that: you're fucking misinformed as fuck.

Now, far being from me saying that Japanese swordsmen are bad. On the contrary, ronin and such were always strong fighters, extremely devoted and flat out fanatical when it comes to battle. But god fucking dammit, do people overestimate them as hell.
User avatar #188 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
First of all , I know next to nothing about katanas , perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of reality?

Second of all, european knights' armour was heavier and covered the whole body as you said, but the samurai was wearing nowhere near 30-40kg of armour and his weapon would be lighter (altho he has multiple so in total he might have more weight in terms of weapons) which allows for faster movement. Samurai swordsmanship is based solely on dodging and missdirecting attacks.

As I said to someone already, knights aren't SLOW but they are not fast either. Samurai training requires specificly being fast, otherwise you can't dodge.

PS: I believe ronin are considered failure of a samurai , one who could not protect, lost the favor of, or betrayed his master.
User avatar #193 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
Again, thats bullshit. Iron doesn't magically weigh less in Japan than it does in Europe.

Not to mention that this whole fucking topic is completely nonsense. There's no such thing as singular European knight nor Japanese samurai. Over the course of hundreds of years, techniques, gears, weapons, armors, trainings changed constantly, so trying to generalize both sides and then compare them like this is just pure nonsense.

But in general, you're WAY overestimating how much mobility samurais had and relied on, and you're WAY underestimating how much mobility European knights had. Take it from someone who wore the damn thing, and who watched live sparring matches and follows the whole medieval weapons/armors topic pretty closely.

Samurais were heavily-armored combatants. There wasn't any substantial dodging nor rolling involved in their repertoire, nor any more gimmicks than equally skilled European knight would have used. If you don't believe me, just do a cursory google search yourself.

Its pretty obvious you are severely misinformed about the whole subject and you're going on nothing but pop-culture references here. I don't mean anything bad by it, its not like its a fucking important subject that everyone has to be well versed into, but why the fuck take that stance so vehemently when you're going with nothing but flat out false facts?

Also, Ronin are not disgraced warriors, as they are shown in pop-culture. They are simply warriors who are not in active service. That could be due to death of master, which can be considered as disgrace, but those were pretty rare.
User avatar #194 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
do you actually google any of your arguments to dobule check them?

Ronin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C5%8Dnin
Japanese armour: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ (adopted by all in 15th century , but used even in 11th)

Samurai armour wasn't entirely steel nor was it covering the entire body unless you're speaking of the very early periods.
User avatar #195 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
At this point you're just nitpicking my responses and looking for any sort of miniscule mistake. Which you're likely going to find, considering I've barely slept for past 3 days and instead spent most of the days staring in Visual Studio trying to finish my project for college.
But fine, I'll humor you.

> Wikipedia
'Nuff said. Ronin were more often than not simple mercenaries, although that stuff is a matter of some debate among historians, so I'll concede on that point, to certain degree.

Second, that Do-maru armor is just one type of armor out of dozen that existed in just that period, and one of dozens developed over the period of hundreds of years. And its also not a complete armor, as its wearer would also carry several layers of leather clothing, chainmail parts, et cetera.
Do-maru is also not what you'd consider a heavy armor. Its closest European counterpart would be scalemail or lamellar (could be wrong).
And guess what? Both Do-maru and scalemail weigh between 12 and 15 kilos.
Now compare standard plate armor to lets say, Tosei Gusoku, something widely considered as a standard Japanese heavy armor. Whoop-de-doo, both weigh between 20 and 25 kilos.

Japanese armors were NOT any lighter than European ones. They also provided less protection compared to European ones due to the fact that, well, there was less armor that you were wearing, but also because European metalworkers were pretty much constantly years ahead of their Japanese counterparts. There's also the fact that European armors were better at distributing its weight over the body of its wearers than Japanese ones do, although this could be debatable due to the fact that European armors were primarily made as defense again bladed weapon, while Japanese ones were made against piercing weapons, so its pretty fucking obvious that you're going to have design differences there.
User avatar #116 - fargfive (06/22/2015) [-]
>outperforming

right up until their swords shattered like glass against actual metal
User avatar #128 - ryuggu (06/22/2015) [-]
Samurai was blocking strikes with his blade, so it's not like they give a shit about katana<greatsword thing.
User avatar #120 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
cant't argue much about metals , but in terms of sword mastery and general techniques the samurais were more skilled.

It should also be noted that european infantry had way more diversity in terms of formations and reliance on each other while samurai were mainly trained to depend solely on themselves.
#123 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Weabo pls. Just because Europeans didn't worship our own sword masters doesn't mean we didn't have them. Historical fencing/fighting manuals from europe show skills that would be a match for any dojo
User avatar #124 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
yes, and?

the average samurai was more skilled than the average knight. The knights were slow due to their armour and were also reliant on it , samurais were wearing lighter armour and were quicker and more mobile , also practiced many techniques for dodging , tumbling and etc.
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
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User avatar #138 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
You lower a change here, you increase a change elsewhere.

They walk away from point A, decreasing chance of preventing something there. (chance of it being something involving murder, close to a cop is really really low)
They walk towards point B, increasing their chances there.
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He built it. Himself.
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"This guy made a PipBoy 3000A"
you do realize this isnt the fallout 4 pipboy edition right? because that hasn't come out yet, and i'm pretty sure thats not how pre-orders work.
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User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
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User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
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lol what a butthurt faggot
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Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
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Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
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#55 to #54 - warbob (08/22/2015) [-]
it's my personal space for doing absolutely nothing. Occasionally (once a year on average) someone else comes.
User avatar #56 to #55 - noblecaoswalrus (08/22/2015) [-]
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User avatar #25 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
well you kind of started a massive fight by calling me out on thumbing down the game :/
User avatar #26 to #25 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
wasn't my intention , I asked because someone already said it on chat and...
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User avatar #27 to #26 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
I'm not mad at you. I'd been meaning to say some stuff about encomp for a while now, but the fact of the matter is that I've never called someone out for thumbing unless I sincerely wanted their critique in order to make it better.
User avatar #28 to #27 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
just wanted to speak with you , I pretty much said what I wanted already. I'm not supporting him , I honestly don't care much. You guys can have your civil war on the board, time will pass and it will be long forgotten.
User avatar #29 to #28 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
I don't want a civil war. the only thing you could call me angry or passionate about in this whole ordeal is that the reason the board was essentially dead in the first place is because he killed it. look back and you'll see what I'm talking about.

About the game, though, it's off topic. I may not necessarily like the idea about it but that's beside the point. what you guys as players should do is what languagexplain, myself, and a few others wound up doing. petition to get a forum gaming board or something for games like that.
User avatar #30 to #29 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
yeah , at some point I realised it's not exacly /tabletop/ gaming either. Trying to get in contact with addy or smt to propose the board to be renamed to /tabletop & roleplaying/ if the users agree and stuff.
User avatar #31 to #30 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
I honestly know of games similar to this that wouldn't fit that bill either. I've wanted to post them before, but to be entirely honest, I don't want to pollute the board (unlike someone.) I sincerely think games should deserve their own board.

in case you're wondering, one game I had wanted to start is called king of the hill. the goal is essentially to take the hill (it gets increasingly more absurd as it goes on)
User avatar #32 to #31 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
sounds good. Perhaps we'll make roleplaying a part of the board at some point so all that stuff is actually ontopic.

However it'd be quite hard to make the people stop playing the nation builder and from what I've seen the mods aren't seeing it as an infringement of the rules either.
User avatar #33 to #32 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
never said you guys should stop, I just think it should be moved. one mod did recommend that he move it to his profile.
User avatar #34 to #33 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
I suppose it's a possibility.
But we still have the problem with the lack of people on the board. The cause for them being so low atm aside, we need active people on the board now.
User avatar #35 to #34 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
I've been trying to get more people using it. I haven't got many ideas for what to do as of yet. maybe having rikter post a painting guide and doing some "newbie friendly" character creation guides
User avatar #36 to #35 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
guides on creating characters sounds good , but tabletop gaming itself doesn't provide that many topics for conversation imo.
User avatar #37 to #36 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
believe it or not it's more than rpgs. cardgame deckbuilding threads, wargame army threads, character design threads, campaign detail threads, LFG (looking for group) threads, game-design threads, et cetera.
User avatar #38 to #37 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
well nation building and etc. is roleplaying imo , so I can figure out a lot of stuff that can happen within a roleplaying board.
User avatar #39 to #38 - dndxplain (08/28/2014) [-]
I sincerely still think a games board would be better suited for your needs, because you can argue that roleplays are games, but you can't argue that checkers or go fish are roleplays
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