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#134 - the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable …  [+] (3 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -2
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#124 - yes, and? the average samurai was more skilled than t…  [+] (14 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -8
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
#120 - cant't argue much about metals , but in terms of sword mastery…  [+] (16 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -8
#123 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Weabo pls. Just because Europeans didn't worship our own sword masters doesn't mean we didn't have them. Historical fencing/fighting manuals from europe show skills that would be a match for any dojo
User avatar #124 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
yes, and?

the average samurai was more skilled than the average knight. The knights were slow due to their armour and were also reliant on it , samurais were wearing lighter armour and were quicker and more mobile , also practiced many techniques for dodging , tumbling and etc.
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
#114 - to be fair , if it were based on reality samurai would indeed …  [+] (24 new replies) 06/22/2015 on For Honor -14
User avatar #144 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
Second comment in, and already katana cultist detected.

Listen here, you little shit: fucking katana or any other Japanese weapon will either break or get severely damaged in blade-on-bade contact with pretty much any standard European medieval melee weapon. Without exception. And good fucking luck trying to fight a European knight without being able to parry his attacks (as in, being anything less than Altair on steroids and not making a single mistake will get you a fucking sword stuck through your heart).
Especially if they are using something like Zweihander. Or if they are using shield, then you can fucking quit right away.
There's also the difference in armor: Europeans have access to far superior chain mail, which is specifically meant to protect again slashing attacks. And thats if Japanese fighter even manages to get his weapon in a weak spot of enemy's plate armor without breaking the weapon, which, again, is not suited for such pair-up.

And as far as armor goes, Japanese armor are pretty much always borderline same in weight to same-era European armors. Granted, Japanese fighters tended to not wear as much armor, preferring leave knees and other spots open, but the difference is miniscule.
I don't even want to go into the extremely common misconception that armor-clad European knights were slow, immobile hulks. I'll just say that if anyone thinks that: you're fucking misinformed as fuck.

Now, far being from me saying that Japanese swordsmen are bad. On the contrary, ronin and such were always strong fighters, extremely devoted and flat out fanatical when it comes to battle. But god fucking dammit, do people overestimate them as hell.
User avatar #188 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
First of all , I know next to nothing about katanas , perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of reality?

Second of all, european knights' armour was heavier and covered the whole body as you said, but the samurai was wearing nowhere near 30-40kg of armour and his weapon would be lighter (altho he has multiple so in total he might have more weight in terms of weapons) which allows for faster movement. Samurai swordsmanship is based solely on dodging and missdirecting attacks.

As I said to someone already, knights aren't SLOW but they are not fast either. Samurai training requires specificly being fast, otherwise you can't dodge.

PS: I believe ronin are considered failure of a samurai , one who could not protect, lost the favor of, or betrayed his master.
User avatar #193 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
Again, thats bullshit. Iron doesn't magically weigh less in Japan than it does in Europe.

Not to mention that this whole fucking topic is completely nonsense. There's no such thing as singular European knight nor Japanese samurai. Over the course of hundreds of years, techniques, gears, weapons, armors, trainings changed constantly, so trying to generalize both sides and then compare them like this is just pure nonsense.

But in general, you're WAY overestimating how much mobility samurais had and relied on, and you're WAY underestimating how much mobility European knights had. Take it from someone who wore the damn thing, and who watched live sparring matches and follows the whole medieval weapons/armors topic pretty closely.

Samurais were heavily-armored combatants. There wasn't any substantial dodging nor rolling involved in their repertoire, nor any more gimmicks than equally skilled European knight would have used. If you don't believe me, just do a cursory google search yourself.

Its pretty obvious you are severely misinformed about the whole subject and you're going on nothing but pop-culture references here. I don't mean anything bad by it, its not like its a fucking important subject that everyone has to be well versed into, but why the fuck take that stance so vehemently when you're going with nothing but flat out false facts?

Also, Ronin are not disgraced warriors, as they are shown in pop-culture. They are simply warriors who are not in active service. That could be due to death of master, which can be considered as disgrace, but those were pretty rare.
User avatar #194 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
do you actually google any of your arguments to dobule check them?

Ronin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C5%8Dnin
Japanese armour: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ (adopted by all in 15th century , but used even in 11th)

Samurai armour wasn't entirely steel nor was it covering the entire body unless you're speaking of the very early periods.
User avatar #195 - securityexplain (06/22/2015) [-]
At this point you're just nitpicking my responses and looking for any sort of miniscule mistake. Which you're likely going to find, considering I've barely slept for past 3 days and instead spent most of the days staring in Visual Studio trying to finish my project for college.
But fine, I'll humor you.

> Wikipedia
'Nuff said. Ronin were more often than not simple mercenaries, although that stuff is a matter of some debate among historians, so I'll concede on that point, to certain degree.

Second, that Do-maru armor is just one type of armor out of dozen that existed in just that period, and one of dozens developed over the period of hundreds of years. And its also not a complete armor, as its wearer would also carry several layers of leather clothing, chainmail parts, et cetera.
Do-maru is also not what you'd consider a heavy armor. Its closest European counterpart would be scalemail or lamellar (could be wrong).
And guess what? Both Do-maru and scalemail weigh between 12 and 15 kilos.
Now compare standard plate armor to lets say, Tosei Gusoku, something widely considered as a standard Japanese heavy armor. Whoop-de-doo, both weigh between 20 and 25 kilos.

Japanese armors were NOT any lighter than European ones. They also provided less protection compared to European ones due to the fact that, well, there was less armor that you were wearing, but also because European metalworkers were pretty much constantly years ahead of their Japanese counterparts. There's also the fact that European armors were better at distributing its weight over the body of its wearers than Japanese ones do, although this could be debatable due to the fact that European armors were primarily made as defense again bladed weapon, while Japanese ones were made against piercing weapons, so its pretty fucking obvious that you're going to have design differences there.
User avatar #116 - fargfive (06/22/2015) [-]
>outperforming

right up until their swords shattered like glass against actual metal
User avatar #128 - ryuggu (06/22/2015) [-]
Samurai was blocking strikes with his blade, so it's not like they give a shit about katana<greatsword thing.
User avatar #120 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
cant't argue much about metals , but in terms of sword mastery and general techniques the samurais were more skilled.

It should also be noted that european infantry had way more diversity in terms of formations and reliance on each other while samurai were mainly trained to depend solely on themselves.
#123 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Weabo pls. Just because Europeans didn't worship our own sword masters doesn't mean we didn't have them. Historical fencing/fighting manuals from europe show skills that would be a match for any dojo
User avatar #124 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
yes, and?

the average samurai was more skilled than the average knight. The knights were slow due to their armour and were also reliant on it , samurais were wearing lighter armour and were quicker and more mobile , also practiced many techniques for dodging , tumbling and etc.
#158 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights spent almost all of their time training, whether it was in the art of combat, courtship, or religion. Their bodies were pushed to peak physical condition and they had to constantly train their endurance in order to be able to fight in their restricting armor. Knights also had superior technology relevant to the time period. Superior metal, superior forging techniques (though care was usually not put into weapons as they had to be mass produced, when it was they were outstanding). Blades with superior flexibility and retention, daggers with superior sturdiness, longbows that were easy to draw and retained enough power to pierce plate and chainmail let alone the Samurai Dou, and just overall more reliable weapons.

Samurai were Nobles. They were highly educated and incredibly sophisticated socially. A lot of Samurai spent a lot of time reading or writing, and very little time training for combat. The Martial Arts of the Katana were just that. A Martial Art. Many Samurai did not favor their Katana in battle, instead favoring horseback archery and the Naginata, a large pole-arm. Katana were very expensive to have made and required an intense amount of care and not only that, their reliability in an actual battle is shoddy at best.

In short, an army of Samurai vs an army of Knights? Knights win hands down no questions asked. A Samurai vs a Knight in a duel? Pretty even match and it honestly depends on whether or not the Samurai's blade will hold.
User avatar #189 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights are infact, also considered nobility. Most of them are from noble birth or have risen through the ranks and have been adopted into a noble family.

You are sort of wrong about samurai's training , they are indeed also nobles but they devote much more time into training with the sword since a samurai is espected to protect his master at all costs and failure to do so would require them to comit the ritual "seppuku" or whatever it's spelled as you have probably heard.
In fact , unlike most knights their training starts from a younger age , around 7 or so. There are some knights who also do this , but for the most part they used to start years later.

I stand by my opinion , an army of knights vs an army of samurai would definetly go to the knights, but a duel will favor the samurai.
#140 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1582_Cagayan_battles
Samurai equipment and training is simply peasantry compared to the armaments of European legions.
User avatar #190 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
as I said , samurai are not as good in a large scale fight as trained and disciplined european infantry.

I didn't read all of it , but I have to say that onship battles are different than land ones and that samurai rightfuly started going extinct with the implementation of firearms as you can clearly see from the movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise.
#138 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
as a matter of fact, knights werent lumbering armoured behemoths, but were able to move quite fast. they trained in their armour so much that it almost became a second skin. still not as fast as an unarmoured opponent, but not slow at all
User avatar #139 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
not slow , but not fast either. And they would tire much faster.

Gotta go now , would proceed the discussion after 10 hours if anyone is still interested.
User avatar #134 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
the very concept of knights was based on forming a formidable wall of steel, which is very hard to get through. Their armour is heavy which makes them slow but reliable to protect a certain place. Due to the weight their movements are also slower and tiring the user, commonly preffered arms are heavy greatswords which rely on the immense weight than sharpness and a sword/shield which increases their protection and survivability but shortens their reach.

as I already said , in large formation the knights would indeed win against samurais , but in a small fights the agility of samurai against the lumbering knights would give him the upper hand, simply because their fighting ability is based on dodging enemy strikes and attacking at the gaps of enemy armour , which as you can imagine should be especially effective versus armoured targets with heavy strikes.

This part was based on the knight not wielding a shield.

For when they are wielding a shield and a sword , the things get trickier, since the shield offers very good protection and very small gaps to be exploited by samurai. The samurai also have no weapon that can harm the knight without hitting him on a soft place , so he must rely on getting past the shield somehow. Overall I believe he still has a slightly better chance, due to the fact that unlike the knight he is not wearing ~40kg on his body and is much more agile and thus can outrorate a knight for example.
User avatar #215 - bastardusnorvegi (06/23/2015) [-]
>40 kg
#175 - anon (06/22/2015) [-]
Knights were not bumbling sheets of iron. Knights were elite units trained for combat. They were adept with their footwork and wrestling techniques and often used a dagger to finish off heavily armored opponents.

Samurai use light techniques. Dodging, parrying, weak attack that are meant to catch an opponent off-guard. Knights ensure that their swing will always land a killing blow. Combat between Knights would generally last 10 seconds, 30 seconds max if they were equally skilled. The samurai's movements would be completely wasted. One wrong step and he's dead. He would have to end the fight quickly. Samurai dodges once, the Knight will use a different tactic. Maybe pressing with their shield/buckler and performing a takedown. Maybe he gives up with his sword/shield altogether and elects to toss it and move to grappling, where the Knight most certainly has a height, weight, and strength advantage.

This highlights some very basic medieval techniques used by Knights. Note that most of these moves involve quick reflexes and dexterity while taking into account the restrictions of heavy armor.

www.thortrains.com/getright/drilldurersword1.html
User avatar #191 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
generally you are right, but you are not factoring the difference of mobility.
Knights aren't slow but they are slower than a samurai who as you said uses light techniques.
Also both samurai and knights are elite soldiers and nobles.
#133 - clannadqs (06/22/2015) [-]
This argument is all too familiar. It's the same one used by Canadians and British about their military. "But our average soldier iz better trained".
"Based on what". "Bruh, it's just facts".
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
in my opinion the sheer mobility advantage of a samurai plays a huge part.

On the "better trained" part - samurais have way more versatility and their training is focusing much more on combat based on themselves alone , while european nobles' training also focuses on tactics, leading the troops, positioning and strategy overall.

That and the fact that a single samurai would see much more combat in his life than the average knight due to the fact that Japan had a lot of (albeit small in size) conflicts while Europe didn't have as many and main actual battle experience of knights would come from stopping an uprising which would mean the other side doesn't have a lot of resources for their army and are generally far poorly trained than the knights.
User avatar #176 - strictlycommenting (06/22/2015) [-]
You are retarded. A full Oyorio weighs just as much as a plate armour. In fact, if I recall correctly, due to steel being tougher than the Iron japanese armor was made of, plate armour tended to weight less than it's japanese counterpart.

On average, an Oyoroi was around 30kgs (around 63 pounds), while a full plate armour was 20 or 25 kgs (little more than 50 pounds), and also had the benefit of being tougher than your average Katana because of the quality of the metal. Believe or not, knights not only could but often ran and jumped in the battlefield. It's because of movies that people think of Knights as medieval tanks, while they were usually just elite soldiers.

And don't even reply to me with some stupid as fuck bamboo armor, because that shit is even worse when it comes to a protection/weight ratio. Bottom line: Knight wins every time.
User avatar #192 - warbob (06/22/2015) [-]
you are partially correct. O-yoroi (according to wikipedia) is infact 30kg, which is very heavy. As you can also see in the article , that is one of the oldest armours of the samurai and they later switched to the Dō-maru (arround the 15th century) which weights 10.5kg or so (source: www.pinterest.com/pin/499477414900108694/ ) and is made specificly to reduce weight and improve movement. It ofcourse provides less protection as some of the parts are only protected by hardened leather.
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User avatar #138 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
You lower a change here, you increase a change elsewhere.

They walk away from point A, decreasing chance of preventing something there. (chance of it being something involving murder, close to a cop is really really low)
They walk towards point B, increasing their chances there.
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User avatar #23 - armwulf (06/21/2015) [-]
He built it. Himself.
#18 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
"This guy made a PipBoy 3000A"
you do realize this isnt the fallout 4 pipboy edition right? because that hasn't come out yet, and i'm pretty sure thats not how pre-orders work.
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#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
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User avatar #18 - dabombmanater (06/21/2015) [-]
Yeah, its kinda weird. Like I wear jeans every day just cause its what everyone hear wears. But I always toy with the idea "what if I ever got jumped" or "what if I had to sprint away from a car that flew onto the sidewalk". But alas, it was decided by a higher power than us that it's worth being judged for.
#30 - peebze (06/21/2015) [-]
I just wear jeans because they're sturdy, rugged, and I don't have to care about ruining them.
#21 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Jeans are practical enough. Perhaps not in terms of flexibility, but as far as being durable they are up there. Assuming you buy good jeans. Maybe if you got jumped they wouldn't be great, but if the world ended they'd be top notch.
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User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
#41 - yes , I do realise it's just a chance. It might have helped hi…  [+] (4 new replies) 06/21/2015 on arresting a wanker in the park -35
User avatar #127 - ninjaspartan (06/21/2015) [-]
Sooooo. Basically out of all the double-sided probabilities of any kind of scenario being both good and bad under different circumstances, you're basically just making this out to be a bad thing when it's supposed to be a good, harmless prank? All because of probability?

What is the probability that the guy wasn't actually playing a prank? Whose fault would it be then?

Give law enforcement better credit than that and don't assume stupid things. They're trained against "probability" enough that you can safely assume your scenario could never ever happen. Just like everyone in their right minds think.
User avatar #100 - sspacecore (06/21/2015) [-]
Are you actually retarded?
#98 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, this is logic to apply against swatters, not this guy. Pick the right timing for this argument.
#43 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
well, cant argue with that
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User avatar #42 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
You worry too much my friend. Shit happens and that won't change. People do stupid shit all the time and they always will. There's nothing you can do to stop that. You're totally within your rights to say your point of view though and I apologise for saying "Piss off" I've sober up a little now.
#45 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s.

My best one so far is the following:

so according to the Bible , Satan will at some point come on human lands (surface , Earth , human civilization) and pretend he is God and try to convince us.
Yeah , that sounds awfully a lot like Jesus , doesn't it? The moral system and beliefs even changes since then, which if you presume Jesus was actually Satan means that he stealthily thwarted basic concepts of christianity and doomed us all to sin.

Like hey , Satan is supposedly a rival of God who is famous for his tricks and temptations. How come there's nothing notorious mentioned anywhere? It would simply be because we haven't realised we have been played yet.

for the record I am not religious
User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
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User avatar #157 - kyrozor (07/17/2015) [-]
I'mma forgive the cop on this one on the count that he's not fucking psychic.
#148 - ryanroyazzopardi (06/21/2015) [-]
**ryanroyazzopardi used "*roll picture*"**
**ryanroyazzopardi rolled image** it's because of people like you that we cant have nice things.
#139 - deadlyfoez (06/21/2015) [-]
Just, just shut up.
User avatar #136 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
This is such a lame argument, like criminals would do stuff when cops are around.
Im pretty sure criminals look out for cops, so no matter what a cop is doing criminals will be doing their thing not right next to the cop.

Thats why police moves around.
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I agree. I am merely stating that by distracting the cops you are lowering the chance of them stopping something that might happen.
User avatar #138 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
You lower a change here, you increase a change elsewhere.

They walk away from point A, decreasing chance of preventing something there. (chance of it being something involving murder, close to a cop is really really low)
They walk towards point B, increasing their chances there.
User avatar #128 - wallbuilder (06/21/2015) [-]
Ever since cars replaced horses they have killed more people than horses ever did! And pollution! Therefore, we shouldn't have cars. Or anything that's nice because someone may get hurt. Computers must go because photosensitive seizures.
User avatar #105 - monkeysniper (06/21/2015) [-]
With that logic we should have fire fighters actively patrolling the town, just waiting for something to catch on fire.
#83 - ohemgeezus (06/21/2015) [-]
>someone tasked with keeping order and protecting people from doing his job

It's not a cops job to protect people, you moron. Their job is to uphold the law, wanking it in public is a crime, so they are doing their job. Do you honestly think all cops always should just be standing around waiting for something extreme to happen and not bother with things like this?
#82 - theseareletters (06/21/2015) [-]
Try this scenario;

You suck.
User avatar #115 - stonetomcat (06/21/2015) [-]
I think he's already trying that scenario, man
User avatar #69 - magictheg (06/21/2015) [-]
I have on for you.

>Wanker is not there.
>Shooter shoots cop first.
>Shoots civilians until more cops show up
>Firefight with cops
>More civilians and law enforcement injured.
>Shooter pepsi
>Some people might not have died if wanker was there to pre-occupy cop

Good pranks, like this one, are completely harmless.
#39 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
now you're talking pure chance. the wanker might've been in the right direction.
you're not preventing anyone from doing their job. officers have priorities, and anything could take them anywhere before they get the priority call.
User avatar #41 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
yes , I do realise it's just a chance. It might have helped him stop something equally dangerous with just about the same odds too.

But it is still distracting the enforcers by focusing their vigilance on something specific instead of their usual alertness to all things happening around them.
User avatar #127 - ninjaspartan (06/21/2015) [-]
Sooooo. Basically out of all the double-sided probabilities of any kind of scenario being both good and bad under different circumstances, you're basically just making this out to be a bad thing when it's supposed to be a good, harmless prank? All because of probability?

What is the probability that the guy wasn't actually playing a prank? Whose fault would it be then?

Give law enforcement better credit than that and don't assume stupid things. They're trained against "probability" enough that you can safely assume your scenario could never ever happen. Just like everyone in their right minds think.
User avatar #100 - sspacecore (06/21/2015) [-]
Are you actually retarded?
#98 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, this is logic to apply against swatters, not this guy. Pick the right timing for this argument.
#43 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
well, cant argue with that
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User avatar #35 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Ok your point still stands sir. Although it was a harmless prank at the end of the day and compared to the other ridiculous pranks there are on youtube this is very mild.
My point is try not to see the negatives in everything you see. If the police officers are laughing so then they're not annoyed and it's probably livened up their day a little.
User avatar #40 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I just like proposing alternative points of view.

I mean, when someone says "what ELSE could go wrong" or "this couldn't be any worse" or "that can never happen" and etc. , they're practicly begging for the whole universe to bend it's rules and fuck shit up.
User avatar #42 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
You worry too much my friend. Shit happens and that won't change. People do stupid shit all the time and they always will. There's nothing you can do to stop that. You're totally within your rights to say your point of view though and I apologise for saying "Piss off" I've sober up a little now.
#45 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s.

My best one so far is the following:

so according to the Bible , Satan will at some point come on human lands (surface , Earth , human civilization) and pretend he is God and try to convince us.
Yeah , that sounds awfully a lot like Jesus , doesn't it? The moral system and beliefs even changes since then, which if you presume Jesus was actually Satan means that he stealthily thwarted basic concepts of christianity and doomed us all to sin.

Like hey , Satan is supposedly a rival of God who is famous for his tricks and temptations. How come there's nothing notorious mentioned anywhere? It would simply be because we haven't realised we have been played yet.

for the record I am not religious
User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
#14 - at what point does one realize that the useless strands of fur…  [+] (6 new replies) 06/21/2015 on ur dad -2
User avatar #16 - dabombmanater (06/21/2015) [-]
Individuality. Wearing jeans is less practical than sweatpants in every way. But people like to look like whatever they perceive as being nice.
#38 - fresighto (06/21/2015) [-]
I disagree. I work on cell towers, and the rough surfaces and small snags ans sharp bits make jeans or cammies the go-to.
User avatar #17 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I completely agree , i've been hating jeans for as long as I remember and I dislike the whole texture yet we are all almost obligated to use these clothes because the previous generation thought "hey how kewl would et be too waer different type of cloth from our parOts? RIOT! " and we're still stuck in their tracks.
User avatar #18 - dabombmanater (06/21/2015) [-]
Yeah, its kinda weird. Like I wear jeans every day just cause its what everyone hear wears. But I always toy with the idea "what if I ever got jumped" or "what if I had to sprint away from a car that flew onto the sidewalk". But alas, it was decided by a higher power than us that it's worth being judged for.
#30 - peebze (06/21/2015) [-]
I just wear jeans because they're sturdy, rugged, and I don't have to care about ruining them.
#21 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Jeans are practical enough. Perhaps not in terms of flexibility, but as far as being durable they are up there. Assuming you buy good jeans. Maybe if you got jumped they wouldn't be great, but if the world ended they'd be top notch.
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User avatar #145 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I'm getting thumbs down"
"Better keep posting!"
User avatar #147 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I was actually having an interesting conversation with a few strangers with a mixed amount of thumbs ( ~ 5 up , 5 down), although admittedly I could see it brewing.

Not going to stop me from having a conversation with someone just because a mass of other folks don't like it.
#31 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Not impossible but highly improbable. Your comment is like saying "Nobody do anything in case there are consequences. Everyone go about your daily business without doing anything mildly controversial".
The world would be a very boring place if they did that.
User avatar #33 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I do agree with that.

But my point still stands that distracting a person from his job, which is in fact keeping order and protecting people is not the smartest thing to do and may not end up as harmless as it seems.
User avatar #35 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Ok your point still stands sir. Although it was a harmless prank at the end of the day and compared to the other ridiculous pranks there are on youtube this is very mild.
My point is try not to see the negatives in everything you see. If the police officers are laughing so then they're not annoyed and it's probably livened up their day a little.
User avatar #40 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I just like proposing alternative points of view.

I mean, when someone says "what ELSE could go wrong" or "this couldn't be any worse" or "that can never happen" and etc. , they're practicly begging for the whole universe to bend it's rules and fuck shit up.
User avatar #42 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
You worry too much my friend. Shit happens and that won't change. People do stupid shit all the time and they always will. There's nothing you can do to stop that. You're totally within your rights to say your point of view though and I apologise for saying "Piss off" I've sober up a little now.
#45 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s.

My best one so far is the following:

so according to the Bible , Satan will at some point come on human lands (surface , Earth , human civilization) and pretend he is God and try to convince us.
Yeah , that sounds awfully a lot like Jesus , doesn't it? The moral system and beliefs even changes since then, which if you presume Jesus was actually Satan means that he stealthily thwarted basic concepts of christianity and doomed us all to sin.

Like hey , Satan is supposedly a rival of God who is famous for his tricks and temptations. How come there's nothing notorious mentioned anywhere? It would simply be because we haven't realised we have been played yet.

for the record I am not religious
User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
#27 - I'm simply providing another point of view. Why do yo…  [+] (21 new replies) 06/20/2015 on arresting a wanker in the park -9
User avatar #28 - cainey (06/20/2015) [-]
Mostly because I'm drunk so don't be offended I mean nothing by it. But do you really think this would prevent a murder 100 metres away?
#29 - warbob (06/20/2015) [-]
it's not impossible.


wow I'm onto a shitstorm if I have a total of 10 thumbs already on that comment
User avatar #145 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I'm getting thumbs down"
"Better keep posting!"
User avatar #147 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I was actually having an interesting conversation with a few strangers with a mixed amount of thumbs ( ~ 5 up , 5 down), although admittedly I could see it brewing.

Not going to stop me from having a conversation with someone just because a mass of other folks don't like it.
#31 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Not impossible but highly improbable. Your comment is like saying "Nobody do anything in case there are consequences. Everyone go about your daily business without doing anything mildly controversial".
The world would be a very boring place if they did that.
User avatar #33 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I do agree with that.

But my point still stands that distracting a person from his job, which is in fact keeping order and protecting people is not the smartest thing to do and may not end up as harmless as it seems.
User avatar #35 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Ok your point still stands sir. Although it was a harmless prank at the end of the day and compared to the other ridiculous pranks there are on youtube this is very mild.
My point is try not to see the negatives in everything you see. If the police officers are laughing so then they're not annoyed and it's probably livened up their day a little.
User avatar #40 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I just like proposing alternative points of view.

I mean, when someone says "what ELSE could go wrong" or "this couldn't be any worse" or "that can never happen" and etc. , they're practicly begging for the whole universe to bend it's rules and fuck shit up.
User avatar #42 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
You worry too much my friend. Shit happens and that won't change. People do stupid shit all the time and they always will. There's nothing you can do to stop that. You're totally within your rights to say your point of view though and I apologise for saying "Piss off" I've sober up a little now.
#45 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s.

My best one so far is the following:

so according to the Bible , Satan will at some point come on human lands (surface , Earth , human civilization) and pretend he is God and try to convince us.
Yeah , that sounds awfully a lot like Jesus , doesn't it? The moral system and beliefs even changes since then, which if you presume Jesus was actually Satan means that he stealthily thwarted basic concepts of christianity and doomed us all to sin.

Like hey , Satan is supposedly a rival of God who is famous for his tricks and temptations. How come there's nothing notorious mentioned anywhere? It would simply be because we haven't realised we have been played yet.

for the record I am not religious
User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
#17 - yeah , if only it weren't distracting 2 law enforcers. …  [+] (53 new replies) 06/20/2015 on arresting a wanker in the park -87
User avatar #150 - greedtheavaricious (06/21/2015) [-]
Oh fuck the hell off
#121 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
i fucked ur mum nigga
#118 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
All officers report in for a robbery in progress!
"sorry theres a dude jackin it brt after tho"
User avatar #116 - captainprincess (06/21/2015) [-]
Life's not fair
User avatar #114 - capslockrage (06/21/2015) [-]
Fuck off, you stupid worthless cunt.
User avatar #112 - muffincannibal (06/21/2015) [-]
Oh yeh, because their are only 2 officers in that city. Get your shit together man, they probably would just being catching grandpa's going 68 in a 50.
#102 - iamaniceperson (06/21/2015) [-]
yfw
#99 - linkheros (06/21/2015) [-]
I bet your fun at parties.
#80 - muken (06/21/2015) [-]
OH MY GOD YOUR RIGHT, A FEW MOMENTS OF DISTRACTIONS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

We should not allow anyone to socialize with working cops either.

Or get their attention in any way that is not related to a crime in progress.

Heck, cops that stop their continuous single-minded absolute focus on preventing crime at any point during their shift should be punished.
#36 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Or they could catch a murderer because they happened to walk in that direction. Each is equally likely.
#34 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
>officer sees guy possibly wanking against a tree
>walks towards him
>officer hears a person scream murder from 100 metres away
>keeps walking towards wanker
pretty sure someone like that should get fired
User avatar #37 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
try this scenario

>officer sees guy possibly wanking against a tree
>walks towards him
>stands next to him, realizing it's a joke and laugh
>hear loud screaming and gunshots from across the street, where he came from
>runs back, sees someone doing something illegal (idk , allahu akbar if you want to)
>sees him shoot a few more civilians (blow up if you chose allahu akbar route)
>shoots him , criminal is dead (unless already blowed up along with the whole place)
>some people might not havea died if he was just a second earlier

it's not about probability, you are literally preventing someone tasked with keeping order and protecting people from doing his job. Something might not happen, but on the odd chance it does it might make a difference in lives.
User avatar #157 - kyrozor (07/17/2015) [-]
I'mma forgive the cop on this one on the count that he's not fucking psychic.
#148 - ryanroyazzopardi (06/21/2015) [-]
**ryanroyazzopardi used "*roll picture*"**
**ryanroyazzopardi rolled image** it's because of people like you that we cant have nice things.
#139 - deadlyfoez (06/21/2015) [-]
Just, just shut up.
User avatar #136 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
This is such a lame argument, like criminals would do stuff when cops are around.
Im pretty sure criminals look out for cops, so no matter what a cop is doing criminals will be doing their thing not right next to the cop.

Thats why police moves around.
User avatar #137 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I agree. I am merely stating that by distracting the cops you are lowering the chance of them stopping something that might happen.
User avatar #138 - freestyleristaken (06/21/2015) [-]
You lower a change here, you increase a change elsewhere.

They walk away from point A, decreasing chance of preventing something there. (chance of it being something involving murder, close to a cop is really really low)
They walk towards point B, increasing their chances there.
User avatar #128 - wallbuilder (06/21/2015) [-]
Ever since cars replaced horses they have killed more people than horses ever did! And pollution! Therefore, we shouldn't have cars. Or anything that's nice because someone may get hurt. Computers must go because photosensitive seizures.
User avatar #105 - monkeysniper (06/21/2015) [-]
With that logic we should have fire fighters actively patrolling the town, just waiting for something to catch on fire.
#83 - ohemgeezus (06/21/2015) [-]
>someone tasked with keeping order and protecting people from doing his job

It's not a cops job to protect people, you moron. Their job is to uphold the law, wanking it in public is a crime, so they are doing their job. Do you honestly think all cops always should just be standing around waiting for something extreme to happen and not bother with things like this?
#82 - theseareletters (06/21/2015) [-]
Try this scenario;

You suck.
User avatar #115 - stonetomcat (06/21/2015) [-]
I think he's already trying that scenario, man
User avatar #69 - magictheg (06/21/2015) [-]
I have on for you.

>Wanker is not there.
>Shooter shoots cop first.
>Shoots civilians until more cops show up
>Firefight with cops
>More civilians and law enforcement injured.
>Shooter pepsi
>Some people might not have died if wanker was there to pre-occupy cop

Good pranks, like this one, are completely harmless.
#39 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
now you're talking pure chance. the wanker might've been in the right direction.
you're not preventing anyone from doing their job. officers have priorities, and anything could take them anywhere before they get the priority call.
User avatar #41 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
yes , I do realise it's just a chance. It might have helped him stop something equally dangerous with just about the same odds too.

But it is still distracting the enforcers by focusing their vigilance on something specific instead of their usual alertness to all things happening around them.
User avatar #127 - ninjaspartan (06/21/2015) [-]
Sooooo. Basically out of all the double-sided probabilities of any kind of scenario being both good and bad under different circumstances, you're basically just making this out to be a bad thing when it's supposed to be a good, harmless prank? All because of probability?

What is the probability that the guy wasn't actually playing a prank? Whose fault would it be then?

Give law enforcement better credit than that and don't assume stupid things. They're trained against "probability" enough that you can safely assume your scenario could never ever happen. Just like everyone in their right minds think.
User avatar #100 - sspacecore (06/21/2015) [-]
Are you actually retarded?
#98 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, this is logic to apply against swatters, not this guy. Pick the right timing for this argument.
#43 - merrrione (06/21/2015) [-]
well, cant argue with that
User avatar #26 - cainey (06/20/2015) [-]
Oh piss off.
User avatar #27 - warbob (06/20/2015) [-]
I'm simply providing another point of view.

Why do you have to be so mad?
User avatar #28 - cainey (06/20/2015) [-]
Mostly because I'm drunk so don't be offended I mean nothing by it. But do you really think this would prevent a murder 100 metres away?
#29 - warbob (06/20/2015) [-]
it's not impossible.


wow I'm onto a shitstorm if I have a total of 10 thumbs already on that comment
User avatar #145 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I'm getting thumbs down"
"Better keep posting!"
User avatar #147 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I was actually having an interesting conversation with a few strangers with a mixed amount of thumbs ( ~ 5 up , 5 down), although admittedly I could see it brewing.

Not going to stop me from having a conversation with someone just because a mass of other folks don't like it.
#31 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Not impossible but highly improbable. Your comment is like saying "Nobody do anything in case there are consequences. Everyone go about your daily business without doing anything mildly controversial".
The world would be a very boring place if they did that.
User avatar #33 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I do agree with that.

But my point still stands that distracting a person from his job, which is in fact keeping order and protecting people is not the smartest thing to do and may not end up as harmless as it seems.
User avatar #35 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Ok your point still stands sir. Although it was a harmless prank at the end of the day and compared to the other ridiculous pranks there are on youtube this is very mild.
My point is try not to see the negatives in everything you see. If the police officers are laughing so then they're not annoyed and it's probably livened up their day a little.
User avatar #40 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I just like proposing alternative points of view.

I mean, when someone says "what ELSE could go wrong" or "this couldn't be any worse" or "that can never happen" and etc. , they're practicly begging for the whole universe to bend it's rules and fuck shit up.
User avatar #42 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
You worry too much my friend. Shit happens and that won't change. People do stupid shit all the time and they always will. There's nothing you can do to stop that. You're totally within your rights to say your point of view though and I apologise for saying "Piss off" I've sober up a little now.
#45 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s.

My best one so far is the following:

so according to the Bible , Satan will at some point come on human lands (surface , Earth , human civilization) and pretend he is God and try to convince us.
Yeah , that sounds awfully a lot like Jesus , doesn't it? The moral system and beliefs even changes since then, which if you presume Jesus was actually Satan means that he stealthily thwarted basic concepts of christianity and doomed us all to sin.

Like hey , Satan is supposedly a rival of God who is famous for his tricks and temptations. How come there's nothing notorious mentioned anywhere? It would simply be because we haven't realised we have been played yet.

for the record I am not religious
User avatar #146 - wtfduud (06/21/2015) [-]
"I simply enjoy toying with some "what IF" s. "
Jesus this comment sounded autistic.
User avatar #48 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
A whole different kettle of fish and loaves
The Bible is full of that shit. Jesus overturned the tables of merchants in a temple and in my R.E. class I was asked to write an essay on it. So I wrote an essay from the point of view of the merchant. I said they were rightly annoyed at Jesus doing that as they were just trying to do their job and some random bloke turns up and wrecks the joint.
I was told not to question what he did.
I am also not religious.
#52 - warbob (06/21/2015) [-]
it's quite hard talking logic with someone who actually believes in the concept of justice and evil outside of a fantasy setting.

sometimes it's hard telling if a lot of people are ignorant and naive or I have just witnessed too much of humanity to have any hope of it left.
#117 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/21/2015) [-]
User avatar #120 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
You should follow that same logic too fuckboy
#154 - pewdiepieisbestpie (06/22/2015) [-]
User avatar #155 - mvtjets (06/22/2015) [-]
:^)
#156 - anon (06/23/2015) [-]
lol what a butthurt faggot
User avatar #124 - mvtjets (06/21/2015) [-]
darrenblackfox tomabinladen
Lol you realise he's a troll account, right?
#101 - anon (06/21/2015) [-]
Take this from a believer.

Some events happen in people's lives they can't explain and neither can science. Miracles, startling coincidences, or just plain strange things happen. Then, you get this feeling something not of this world caused it. You dig deeper and research to find MANY have experienced this to. Whether they're lying or not is their story, but I'm not. When my sister prayed for the safety of her and her 3 friends on a winter drive, and their car falls off a 1/4 mile cliff, but all 4 make it out and are still alive today...call it what you want. When essentially anything my mother has desperately needed and prayed for came 1 or 2 days later in some form...call it what you want. When the mere thought of God or something else being there after this life ends warms the blood from being frozen in fear...call it what you want.

It's very possible all these are coincidences. It's very possible all there is to life is what we see now and for the next few years. It's also very possible this isn't all there is to it. There's multi-dimensional theories, MANY supernatural/paranormal occurrences, all the religions of the world, the enigmatic origin of the universe, (and how it could theoretically reset, as well as our energy and such never dying, just being distributed), the idea that we essentially came out of nowhere once, why can't that happen again?, etc.

So yeah, maybe people are just that "self-important" or need something to cushion the blow of death and oblivion, or maybe there's more to this. The way I see it, if I'm wrong, I'll die thinking I'm about to see something more, and fade to black that way (which is a pretty good way to go imo), but if I'm right, that's even better. Even if it all sounds bogus to you, just stop and think to yourself for a minute how science is ever-evolving and once stated that Earth was flat, the center of the solar system, and at one point, didn't have any "proof" of ANYTHING we know is true now.

I'm not stupid or blind before you think that, I know there's more life in some form out there in this vast universe, I know humans are a spec of dust on a rock in a black void in the grand scheme of things, and I'm pretty sure most, if not all Earth religions are wrong in some form or ways (even the Bible was formed in some ways to match the views of the church at the time, and most religions say "We're right, they're wrong," so...)


TL ; DR version: Open your mind a bit to what might be out there after this life. Got nothing to lose either way.
User avatar #53 - cainey (06/21/2015) [-]
Dude, take my advice from someone who is probably older than everyone on this site. Don't carry the world on your shoulders. it will drag you down. The world is full of amazing things. Accept the bad stuff but maintain a small level of ignorance to it or you'll just hate everything.
Case and point with this gif. It's a light hearted prank but if you worry about what could have happened while he was doing that then you'll worry about everything and that's no way to live your life.
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User avatar #4 - funpunk (06/20/2015) [-]
If you mean the black kid, chances are his mom fucked him up so badly he thinks it's normal for a mother to make her son record her porn. If you mean the guy who wrote this, he was a dumb kid who didn't want to get too involved.
User avatar #6 - warbob (06/20/2015) [-]
I ment the OP who posted this on 4chin
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#40 - warbob (12/28/2014) [-]
dumping some webm sheit
User avatar #25 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
well you kind of started a massive fight by calling me out on thumbing down the game :/
User avatar #26 to #25 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
wasn't my intention , I asked because someone already said it on chat and...
sorry
User avatar #27 to #26 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
I'm not mad at you. I'd been meaning to say some stuff about encomp for a while now, but the fact of the matter is that I've never called someone out for thumbing unless I sincerely wanted their critique in order to make it better.
User avatar #28 to #27 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
just wanted to speak with you , I pretty much said what I wanted already. I'm not supporting him , I honestly don't care much. You guys can have your civil war on the board, time will pass and it will be long forgotten.
User avatar #29 to #28 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
I don't want a civil war. the only thing you could call me angry or passionate about in this whole ordeal is that the reason the board was essentially dead in the first place is because he killed it. look back and you'll see what I'm talking about.

About the game, though, it's off topic. I may not necessarily like the idea about it but that's beside the point. what you guys as players should do is what languagexplain, myself, and a few others wound up doing. petition to get a forum gaming board or something for games like that.
User avatar #30 to #29 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
yeah , at some point I realised it's not exacly /tabletop/ gaming either. Trying to get in contact with addy or smt to propose the board to be renamed to /tabletop & roleplaying/ if the users agree and stuff.
User avatar #31 to #30 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
I honestly know of games similar to this that wouldn't fit that bill either. I've wanted to post them before, but to be entirely honest, I don't want to pollute the board (unlike someone.) I sincerely think games should deserve their own board.

in case you're wondering, one game I had wanted to start is called king of the hill. the goal is essentially to take the hill (it gets increasingly more absurd as it goes on)
User avatar #32 to #31 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
sounds good. Perhaps we'll make roleplaying a part of the board at some point so all that stuff is actually ontopic.

However it'd be quite hard to make the people stop playing the nation builder and from what I've seen the mods aren't seeing it as an infringement of the rules either.
User avatar #33 to #32 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
never said you guys should stop, I just think it should be moved. one mod did recommend that he move it to his profile.
User avatar #34 to #33 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
I suppose it's a possibility.
But we still have the problem with the lack of people on the board. The cause for them being so low atm aside, we need active people on the board now.
User avatar #35 to #34 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
I've been trying to get more people using it. I haven't got many ideas for what to do as of yet. maybe having rikter post a painting guide and doing some "newbie friendly" character creation guides
User avatar #36 to #35 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
guides on creating characters sounds good , but tabletop gaming itself doesn't provide that many topics for conversation imo.
User avatar #37 to #36 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
believe it or not it's more than rpgs. cardgame deckbuilding threads, wargame army threads, character design threads, campaign detail threads, LFG (looking for group) threads, game-design threads, et cetera.
User avatar #38 to #37 - warbob (08/28/2014) [-]
well nation building and etc. is roleplaying imo , so I can figure out a lot of stuff that can happen within a roleplaying board.
User avatar #39 to #38 - dndxplain ONLINE (08/28/2014) [-]
I sincerely still think a games board would be better suited for your needs, because you can argue that roleplays are games, but you can't argue that checkers or go fish are roleplays
User avatar #23 - killerliquid ONLINE (08/21/2014) [-]
Actually they have a lot of **** like this wtf
#22 - killerliquid ONLINE (08/21/2014) [-]
www.reddit.com/r/OneTrueTatsuya   
They have a 			*******		 subreddit for Tatsuya fukken christ
www.reddit.com/r/OneTrueTatsuya
They have a ******* subreddit for Tatsuya fukken christ
User avatar #21 - Byte (06/25/2014) [-]
Why do we all try?
In the end we'll all die
The same outcome for all
The tall and the small
For the people who think they are worthless
And for the rich people who have no sense
To see their lives will end too
And there's nothing they can do
You can't buy your way out of death
One of life’s hardest test
Some people's lives end fast
Like in a shooting or a crash
Their lives are over in a flash
Their friends all mourn
Their family is torn
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Wtf are items and why would people be fighting over them?

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