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#131 - Woah, now. I'm close(d) Intelligent man, eh? minded? Yo…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/31/2015 on >tfw +1
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
#120 - >slightly cynical viewpoint >probably the most cynic…  [+] (5 new replies) 03/31/2015 on >tfw +1
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
#116 - "If someone's depressed, they should kill themselves"…  [+] (7 new replies) 03/31/2015 on >tfw +3
User avatar #119 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Do you disagree? Do you think a single human is useful?
I am not depressed nor suicidal and a have a substantial education and a moderately large and well-connected network of people in multiple and varied diciplines. And I am fucking useless! Alone, of course. If I drew on my entire network, I probably wouldn't be, but on my own, I'm fucking useless.

Now imagine a person who doesn't have a large network and who doesn't have a good education and who have a depression that saps their strenght and motivation. Do you they're more useful or less? of course they're less useful, they fucking suck! We're probably still consuming about the same amount of resources though. Do you think its very constructive that this depressed person lives on, in a life he fundamentally doesn't enjoy and consumes resources that a more fit human being could use? Do you seriously believe that such a useless maggot should continue vampireing resources and accomplishing nothing, and hateing every moment of it? Literally everyone - himself included - will be worse off, if he continues to live. Do you seriously think its a good idea for him to continue on living, then??
#120 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
>slightly cynical viewpoint
>probably the most cynical dickwad out there
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
#112 - They mean **** to me because they're human lives. I'm n…  [+] (9 new replies) 03/31/2015 on >tfw +2
User avatar #114 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
They're not human lives though, as I just told you. They're just strings of mostly useless information. You have no proof that any of them are humans. Although granted, its hugely unlikely that they're not. So given they are humans, why do you care about them? A single human being is just about the most useless fucking thing on the face of the planet, so why do you care? We have several billion humans, why do you care about the defective ones? The ones who are so spineless and weak that the easy and luxurious life we have here are too much for them to handle? Shouldn't you spend your time worring about the actually important humen people? The ones who aren't too useless to simply live? Thats the most basic thing life asks of you. "Dont kill yourself". The most basic fucking thing. And these people have failed that.

And btw, great job there labeling anyone with a slightly cynical viewpoint as a "troll". If it makes you feel better about yourself, you're welcome to think I am "trolling".
#116 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
"If someone's depressed, they should kill themselves"
"If I tell someone to kill themselves, I'm basically helping them end their misery"
"Humans are the most useless things on the planet"

Fuck off.
User avatar #119 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Do you disagree? Do you think a single human is useful?
I am not depressed nor suicidal and a have a substantial education and a moderately large and well-connected network of people in multiple and varied diciplines. And I am fucking useless! Alone, of course. If I drew on my entire network, I probably wouldn't be, but on my own, I'm fucking useless.

Now imagine a person who doesn't have a large network and who doesn't have a good education and who have a depression that saps their strenght and motivation. Do you they're more useful or less? of course they're less useful, they fucking suck! We're probably still consuming about the same amount of resources though. Do you think its very constructive that this depressed person lives on, in a life he fundamentally doesn't enjoy and consumes resources that a more fit human being could use? Do you seriously believe that such a useless maggot should continue vampireing resources and accomplishing nothing, and hateing every moment of it? Literally everyone - himself included - will be worse off, if he continues to live. Do you seriously think its a good idea for him to continue on living, then??
#120 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
>slightly cynical viewpoint
>probably the most cynical dickwad out there
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
#105 - Jesus christ...  [+] (11 new replies) 03/31/2015 on >tfw 0
User avatar #111 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
"Jesus christ..." isn't an answer.
Why do you care? Why do you even care? For all you know I dont even exist. For all you know, I'm just a very well programmed computer program, and I cannot die because I am not alive. Thats what internet people are. Strings of (mostly useless) information. Their lives literally mean jackshit to you. So why do you care?
User avatar #112 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
They mean shit to me because they're human lives. I'm not going into a philosophical debate with a shitty troll.
User avatar #114 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
They're not human lives though, as I just told you. They're just strings of mostly useless information. You have no proof that any of them are humans. Although granted, its hugely unlikely that they're not. So given they are humans, why do you care about them? A single human being is just about the most useless fucking thing on the face of the planet, so why do you care? We have several billion humans, why do you care about the defective ones? The ones who are so spineless and weak that the easy and luxurious life we have here are too much for them to handle? Shouldn't you spend your time worring about the actually important humen people? The ones who aren't too useless to simply live? Thats the most basic thing life asks of you. "Dont kill yourself". The most basic fucking thing. And these people have failed that.

And btw, great job there labeling anyone with a slightly cynical viewpoint as a "troll". If it makes you feel better about yourself, you're welcome to think I am "trolling".
#116 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
"If someone's depressed, they should kill themselves"
"If I tell someone to kill themselves, I'm basically helping them end their misery"
"Humans are the most useless things on the planet"

Fuck off.
User avatar #119 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Do you disagree? Do you think a single human is useful?
I am not depressed nor suicidal and a have a substantial education and a moderately large and well-connected network of people in multiple and varied diciplines. And I am fucking useless! Alone, of course. If I drew on my entire network, I probably wouldn't be, but on my own, I'm fucking useless.

Now imagine a person who doesn't have a large network and who doesn't have a good education and who have a depression that saps their strenght and motivation. Do you they're more useful or less? of course they're less useful, they fucking suck! We're probably still consuming about the same amount of resources though. Do you think its very constructive that this depressed person lives on, in a life he fundamentally doesn't enjoy and consumes resources that a more fit human being could use? Do you seriously believe that such a useless maggot should continue vampireing resources and accomplishing nothing, and hateing every moment of it? Literally everyone - himself included - will be worse off, if he continues to live. Do you seriously think its a good idea for him to continue on living, then??
#120 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
>slightly cynical viewpoint
>probably the most cynical dickwad out there
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
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User avatar #101 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Why? What the fuck should I care if some idiot kills himself? If my advice that he actually kill himself, is enough to push him over the edge, he was probably gonna do so anyway. I just helped him get to that inevitability alittle sooner than he otherwise might.
#139 - advice (03/31/2015) [-]
this is for you
User avatar #105 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Jesus christ...
User avatar #111 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
"Jesus christ..." isn't an answer.
Why do you care? Why do you even care? For all you know I dont even exist. For all you know, I'm just a very well programmed computer program, and I cannot die because I am not alive. Thats what internet people are. Strings of (mostly useless) information. Their lives literally mean jackshit to you. So why do you care?
User avatar #112 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
They mean shit to me because they're human lives. I'm not going into a philosophical debate with a shitty troll.
User avatar #114 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
They're not human lives though, as I just told you. They're just strings of mostly useless information. You have no proof that any of them are humans. Although granted, its hugely unlikely that they're not. So given they are humans, why do you care about them? A single human being is just about the most useless fucking thing on the face of the planet, so why do you care? We have several billion humans, why do you care about the defective ones? The ones who are so spineless and weak that the easy and luxurious life we have here are too much for them to handle? Shouldn't you spend your time worring about the actually important humen people? The ones who aren't too useless to simply live? Thats the most basic thing life asks of you. "Dont kill yourself". The most basic fucking thing. And these people have failed that.

And btw, great job there labeling anyone with a slightly cynical viewpoint as a "troll". If it makes you feel better about yourself, you're welcome to think I am "trolling".
#116 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
"If someone's depressed, they should kill themselves"
"If I tell someone to kill themselves, I'm basically helping them end their misery"
"Humans are the most useless things on the planet"

Fuck off.
User avatar #119 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Do you disagree? Do you think a single human is useful?
I am not depressed nor suicidal and a have a substantial education and a moderately large and well-connected network of people in multiple and varied diciplines. And I am fucking useless! Alone, of course. If I drew on my entire network, I probably wouldn't be, but on my own, I'm fucking useless.

Now imagine a person who doesn't have a large network and who doesn't have a good education and who have a depression that saps their strenght and motivation. Do you they're more useful or less? of course they're less useful, they fucking suck! We're probably still consuming about the same amount of resources though. Do you think its very constructive that this depressed person lives on, in a life he fundamentally doesn't enjoy and consumes resources that a more fit human being could use? Do you seriously believe that such a useless maggot should continue vampireing resources and accomplishing nothing, and hateing every moment of it? Literally everyone - himself included - will be worse off, if he continues to live. Do you seriously think its a good idea for him to continue on living, then??
#120 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
>slightly cynical viewpoint
>probably the most cynical dickwad out there
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
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User avatar #96 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
How abselutely brilliantly formulated. You must be a smart guy, to come up with ingenious and witty insults like that. How many hours did you spend composing it?
#97 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
A whopping total of twelve. You see, when I put my brain to it I can do things quickly-like.

But, suggesting that people commit suicide is probably the single shittiest thing that you can do. Whether or not you're trolling, it still makes you a piece of shit.
User avatar #101 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Why? What the fuck should I care if some idiot kills himself? If my advice that he actually kill himself, is enough to push him over the edge, he was probably gonna do so anyway. I just helped him get to that inevitability alittle sooner than he otherwise might.
#139 - advice (03/31/2015) [-]
this is for you
User avatar #105 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Jesus christ...
User avatar #111 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
"Jesus christ..." isn't an answer.
Why do you care? Why do you even care? For all you know I dont even exist. For all you know, I'm just a very well programmed computer program, and I cannot die because I am not alive. Thats what internet people are. Strings of (mostly useless) information. Their lives literally mean jackshit to you. So why do you care?
User avatar #112 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
They mean shit to me because they're human lives. I'm not going into a philosophical debate with a shitty troll.
User avatar #114 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
They're not human lives though, as I just told you. They're just strings of mostly useless information. You have no proof that any of them are humans. Although granted, its hugely unlikely that they're not. So given they are humans, why do you care about them? A single human being is just about the most useless fucking thing on the face of the planet, so why do you care? We have several billion humans, why do you care about the defective ones? The ones who are so spineless and weak that the easy and luxurious life we have here are too much for them to handle? Shouldn't you spend your time worring about the actually important humen people? The ones who aren't too useless to simply live? Thats the most basic thing life asks of you. "Dont kill yourself". The most basic fucking thing. And these people have failed that.

And btw, great job there labeling anyone with a slightly cynical viewpoint as a "troll". If it makes you feel better about yourself, you're welcome to think I am "trolling".
#116 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
"If someone's depressed, they should kill themselves"
"If I tell someone to kill themselves, I'm basically helping them end their misery"
"Humans are the most useless things on the planet"

Fuck off.
User avatar #119 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Do you disagree? Do you think a single human is useful?
I am not depressed nor suicidal and a have a substantial education and a moderately large and well-connected network of people in multiple and varied diciplines. And I am fucking useless! Alone, of course. If I drew on my entire network, I probably wouldn't be, but on my own, I'm fucking useless.

Now imagine a person who doesn't have a large network and who doesn't have a good education and who have a depression that saps their strenght and motivation. Do you they're more useful or less? of course they're less useful, they fucking suck! We're probably still consuming about the same amount of resources though. Do you think its very constructive that this depressed person lives on, in a life he fundamentally doesn't enjoy and consumes resources that a more fit human being could use? Do you seriously believe that such a useless maggot should continue vampireing resources and accomplishing nothing, and hateing every moment of it? Literally everyone - himself included - will be worse off, if he continues to live. Do you seriously think its a good idea for him to continue on living, then??
#120 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
>slightly cynical viewpoint
>probably the most cynical dickwad out there
User avatar #122 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Welp. I think I'm done. You're obviously a very close minded person. Its like trying to convince a brick wall to move of its own accord. I am not going to continue this 'debate' any longer, since you dont even seem to be willing to evaluate or even read my responses.
Its the mark of the intelligent man, that he is able to entertain briefly, the opinion he doesn't agree with. You can figure out yourself where that places you.
User avatar #131 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
Woah, now. I'm close(d)Intelligent man, eh? minded? You're the one who said people are useless. You're the one who said people who are depressed should kill themselves. I believe everyone can do awesome things. I believe everyone who's depressed can be help. Most human problems are

People operate as pack creatures, yes. It goes back to our roots when we had to survive in a world where things bigger and stronger than us were higher on the food-chain. On our own, yeah, we don't last that long, but people need to be capable of something to useful in any kind of group.

I don't only disagree with your viewpoint on life, I see it as downright sociopathic.

You think all your education makes you better than others? Because you have connections and (presumably) money, you're a greater human being? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous.

Looking at life from an outside perspective wherein nobody means anything unless they have networks and education doesn't help you survive. It doesn't improve you as a person, it doesn't justify your existence more than it justifies anyone else's. Every single human being that has been brought into this world deserves a chance at life. A chance to be something greater than whatever bullshit they may or may not have been born into. You're saying, instead of looking for something better, holding on just a few more days, hoping for someone to help you out, you should just go ahead and kick the bucket? Fuck that.
Tragedy has a lot of people locked in shit-hole lives that they can't escape from, and to many of them, suicide feels like the only option. A guy in my town committed suicide yesterday, because he couldn't afford his drug-habits or to feed his three-year-old son. Shit's fucked up. That's crazy fucking dark. His son has to go off to some care home now, probably not gonna get fostered, so he'll grow up without parents, probably without any money. You think he should kill himself? Get it all over with? Hop off the great bridge of life and fall into the river of nice cosy death?

I don't believe you are in any way justified in the way you're thinking about life. You don't get to just say that people should kill themselves, and then expect others to listen to what you have to say. You don't get to put yourself above others and still expect them to respect you. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Who do you think you are to tell me I'm closed-minded when you suggest that instead of living and trying to make the most of life, people should kill themselves.

This is a long fucking comment, for a stupid fucking issue. Here's my side of the debate. You've given yours. And yes, these are brave words behind the wall of a keyboard, but you can go fuck yourself.
User avatar #137 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Thats better.
You seem to have misunderstood what it means to be close minded. I didn't say you were close minded because we disagree, you said you were close minded because you seemingly refused to evaluate my point. Refusal to consider new ideas (Or things, in general) is what it means to be close minded. I dont know how you got that mixted up. Also, it can aparently be spelled both as "close minded" and "closed minded", but in my experience, "close minded" is more common.

I dont have alot of money. I dont think my education alone makes me a better person, but it helps. I like to consider the value of a human being as the product of multiple factors, of which education is one. Being the product of such multiple factors, if even a single one hits 0, the product too will be 0. So no. Education alone doesn't make me a better human being, but it helps. Also, I dont have alot of money. Just to be clear.

The child in your story is probably better off now. That drag-addict dad would've probably caused his child to become an addict aswell. The child is infinitely better off now, even if that means the child ends of dying. Better dead than living a tortured life as an addict. He wont be such a leech on society either, and the rest of us wont have to fear being mugged or killed because he needs money to feed his addiction. Its a win-win for everybody involved.

Why should I not put myself above people who are genuinely below me? The people who are less educated and have less experience, willpower and charisma. Why should I not consider myself superior to these people if all my aspects are superior to thiers? Is it because its impolite to say your superior to somebody else? Because its arrogant? It may be arrogant, it might be impolite, but if its the truth, then should we not just all agree on that truth?
And again, if a person - depressed, uneducated and pathethic that he is - would be better off dead, why should we not just realize that and help him along?
Now, dont get me wrong. I am advocating that we actively go around offing depressed dudes, but if a person is so brutally depressed that my words will be the decideing factor, then isn't it better for that person to kill himself and get it over with? Why prolong something that ultimately equates to a slow torturous death? Thats a bit cruel, if you ask me.

I dont nessesarily demand that people listen to what I made to say, but if people refuse to listen to what I have to say, then that afford me every right to call those people out on their willful neglect of an opposing point of view. People can disagree with me all they like, and I welcome that opposition. Thats the only way ideas gets to evolve and expand, is to be exposed to foreign ideas. However, the moment that people stop even bothering to listen to what I have to say, is the moment I loose a hefty chunk of respect for those people.

Sociopathy is a dumb categorization. Its just the abillity to percieve human beings as numbers and pieces in a grander sceme of things, instead of relying on emotion to cloud logical thought. We shouldn't arbitrarily stable that abillity as a mental disorder, and I feel like thats what we're doing.
#138 - viscerys (03/31/2015) [-]
I tell you - you'd make a great politician, but you make a terrible human being.
User avatar #145 - krobeles (03/31/2015) [-]
Eh. Thanks, I guess.
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Sorry fam
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#55 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Ahh I see what you were going for, well in the sake of kanye, let's forget about it
#56 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
That picture. I hate it.
#57 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Sorry fam
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User avatar #53 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Ohh dyslexia fucks up my jokes occasionally as well. lest
User avatar #54 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
I used it right, didn't I? Idk what's real any more T-T
#55 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Ahh I see what you were going for, well in the sake of kanye, let's forget about it
#56 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
That picture. I hate it.
#57 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Sorry fam
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Youve never seen a thread like this before have you? They paint west like he's got an s on his chest
#51 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
I was just trying to get in on the joke.
User avatar #53 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Ohh dyslexia fucks up my jokes occasionally as well. lest
User avatar #54 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
I used it right, didn't I? Idk what's real any more T-T
#55 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Ahh I see what you were going for, well in the sake of kanye, let's forget about it
#56 - viscerys (03/27/2015) [-]
That picture. I hate it.
#57 - watshisface (03/27/2015) [-]
Sorry fam
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