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#109 - It does in this case though. The Bible pretty explicitly state…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/19/2014 on Gay Pride +2
User avatar #110 - Awesomenessniss (01/19/2014) [-]
What I am saying is that not every Republican, and not every Christian think the exact same way and all everyone ever talks about is those they profile. Moderate master race signing out.
#108 - I'm not sure if I should thumb you up or down because I'm not …  [+] (6 new replies) 01/19/2014 on Gay Pride +3
User avatar #149 - kingdork (01/19/2014) [-]
I forgot to add: That video in the previous comment is of anti-bullying gay rights activist, Dan Savage, speaking to a high school about how to deal with bullying as a teen if you're gay. He goes on a rant on how Christianity is responsible for the bullying of gay teens and a long rant of Christianity being the root cause of more genocides than anything else. The majority of the student body cheer in deafening applause while a couple dozen students storm out.

Do you remember high school? I remember high school. Gay students being bullied tend to be bullied by the same assholes that bullied the Catholic boy for being a virgin. If I remember correctly, and I am sure I do because I was in high school only two years ago, the crowd that bullied gays tended to be mostly douches, preppy, stuck-up, and would tolerate other gay kids as long as they were as asshole-ish as them. The Christian kids from my high school were nice and friendly to just about everyone.

Gay people being married wont bring down the country. The divide and conquer will. Look at the leaders of the mainstream gay movement. Jarrett Barrios. Dan Savage. Kevin Jennings. Bill Ayers. Look at the books they write.

Kevin Jennings founded the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. He flat out fucking says that the manage of education be taken away from local and state governments, and education be controlled by a central government so it can teach children of alternative lifestyles in sex-ed.

www.keywiki.org/index.php/GLSEN
Look at those who sponsor Jennings's GLSEN. Deutsche Bank. AT&T. IBM. These are all companies that lobby fiercely for unpopular free-trade agreements. IBM even traded with the Nazis.

Ever seen Schindler's List? You know how in the opening scene, there are typewriters creating name cards for prisoners as they step into the concentration camps. Those typewriters were made by IBM.

Ford Foundation too. They have a dark history of deceit and corruption.
#331 - tyraxio (01/21/2014) [-]
What. The. Fuck.

Are you fucking insane? Are you seriously saying that there is a correlation between companies that support the LGTB population and the fact that these companies used to trade with Nazi Germany? I am stunned and shocked.

I am not even going to get into big details here, but EVERYONE traded with Nazi Germany. Am I to boycott Ford, Volkswagen, Coca Cola and many more, not based on their exploitation of workers and such today, but due to the fact that more than 50 years ago they traded with Nazi Germany because that was an amazing source of income?
User avatar #332 - kingdork (01/22/2014) [-]
You should be asking yourself: what is the agenda of those who supply the money? What interest does a German National Bank have in giving away their money to someone who advocate the changing of education in any way in the United States.

Another GLSEN sponsor is IBM. Am I saying IBM wants Naziism for the globe? No. Am I saying IBM wants the power of governing without borders? You would have to answer that on your own.

IBM also funds Ted Talks, through an IBM created program named Smarter Planet. TED is regularly criticized for censoring speakers from talking about Monsanto.
www.naturalnews.com/042112_TED_conferences_pseudoscience_GMO.html

www.theawl.com/2014/01/what-if-these-seven-famous-ted-talks-are-just-totally-wrong
#334 - tyraxio (01/24/2014) [-]
Ahh, good, you're thinking now. So, here's the deal.

Companies will only ever have two agendae. Money and power. No exceptions. By supporting the LGTB community, IBM and Deutsche Bank has a high chance of getting new customers within the LGTB community. By supporting the LGTB community, I am not supporting IBM and Deutsche Bank directly or indirectly, regardless of whether I like the companies or not.

I am an anti-capitalist, don't think I don't know what companies want. I know Red Bull doesn't sponsor a dude to fall from what is almost outer space to Earth just for shits and giggles, no, they do it to get customers. However, important note, I am also not a stupid conspiricist. I'm not implying Coca Cola wants to take over the Earth. I am accepting that lobbyism exists, and I oppose it like Hell, but I am not going to believe that, in any kind of near future, that companies will take complete control of a country.
User avatar #152 - kingdork (01/19/2014) [-]
for fuck's sake, look at this

www.tpnonline.org/organisation/business-members/

How many of those corporations funding trans Atlantic Policy Network happen to be funding GLSEN too?

www.keywiki.org/index.php/GLSEN

GLSEN says the federal government needs the authority to make schools teach about LGBT lifestyles in sex-ed. But once they get the authority and power to do that, won't they also be writing curriculums for economic classes that teach kids to support NAFTA?

Here is a little more of the TPN: www.tpnonline.org/the-transatlantic-partnership-the-vital-context/
User avatar #143 - kingdork (01/19/2014) [-]
I'll word it another way. There has always been a religious presence in America, but this generation is different. 92% of high school graduates have no religious identity if recent statistics are accurate. Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention I have been to Gay Straight Alliance meetings at my school. They talk of religion as if it is an extinct doctrine. I am not saying anyone needs to be part of a religion, but understanding religions is crucial to understanding the history of our country, and when people dont understand history, bad things happen. Take this guy in the video I have linked to in this comment. He regularly spouts out stuff about religion that is so nasty any sensible person should classify it as hate speech. Watch the video, you'll see how the divide and conquer methods are in work. I believe there is a giant amount of hate speech directed against christians from the liberal communities which goes under reported because Christians aren't seen as victims of anything.
#553 - America is in theory liberal, but is in practice 100% conserva… 01/19/2014 on Makes sence I guess -2
#526 - I am not saying that all American individuals do not accept ho…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/19/2014 on Makes sence I guess 0
User avatar #529 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
Let's not go as far as to say Russia and America are practically one in the same. America is not nearly as corrupt as Russia.

You may have noticed that America, politically, (just look at the federal government), is liberal. However, in practice it is conservative. The nation is really gridlocked with what it wants, this really isn't going to change for the next 20 years or so. Take a look at the republican party. There are two sides to it right now. The tea party side of almost fascist conservatives, then the more moderate side. That's causing problems for them but thankfully, pressure from their constituents is making gay marriage legalized in more and more states.
Just because a country was founded 300 years ago on a base of freedom, does not mean that all of its citizens now are willing to comply to that. This is a question of morality. Should it be? Probably not since no one is being harmed.

If you are gay, and live in America now, in a state where gay marriage is not legal, I'm very sorry that you can't enter into a marriage with your partner. However, this will change. Slowly, yes, but surely. That's how to US government was set up. To change with the times but to make that change slow. Remember, the last time a radical change happened it caused a civil war.
#553 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
America is in theory liberal, but is in practice 100% conservative, and that is not only not going to change in the next 20 years, that will not change in a long, long time.

Russia is more corrupt than America? I think not, it's just that American production is a lot more sophisticated. Look at lobbyism in America. It is the purest form of corruption there is. These are companies like McDonalds who give the politicians serious cash to lower health guidelines so that people are more likely to eat their shit food, and it goes even deeper than that, because you've got companies that lobby in to some really serious issues.

My point is not only on the fact that it seems contradictory for America to be as un-liberal as it is, it is of how Americans (and I am talking the vast majority of Americans here) seems to wave America around with a kind of nationalism (*cough* I meant patriotism - when it's America it's never nationalism) that roots in the fact that it is a free country.

How do you define a radical change? And how can you say that "it will change in time"? Are you implying that everything will change for the better? I do doubt it. That means, before the death of humankind, America will be a country with the best healthcare system in the world, where all animal farming is organic and free-range (if at all existing), a CO2 neutral country and many more? As far as my logical thinking goes, the previously mentioned will never be true of America, and if you hold that it most definately will, then you are blind and need to open your eyes.

The American Dream and concept of itself is dead. You've got your government trying to establish 100% monitoring, and you don't see it happening, but rather you go to the shop to buy an American flag and wave it around saying that America is the best and most free country in the world.
#520 - But it should be a marriage. The fact that there is a…  [+] (4 new replies) 01/19/2014 on Makes sence I guess -1
User avatar #525 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
I agree with you, marriage shouldn't depend on gender. However, when you say Americans don't accept homosexuals you're not totally correct. Most Americans that live in cities and on the east and west coasts do. It's really the bible belt that's weird about it. America has a history of cultural division (civil war), because it's so big, it wasn't easy to keep the whole nation on the same page 150 years ago. That led to a division of culture and as some areas blossomed into the industrial revolution and accepted science and education, others stayed largely as farm areas. So, while now it's easier to keep people updated the damage has already been done.

I think what Bible thumpers don't realize is that churches won't be forced to give gay marriages. Everyone thinks that what they're doing is right, so there's no way to really change their minds. At this point we just need to wait until the baby boomer generation dies out.
#526 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
I am not saying that all American individuals do not accept homosexuals, only that something is wrong with a country as a whole, when it is a debate rather than a question of a few ignorant idiots whose voices are not heard in the public debate. Especially, when the country in which this debate takes place, is a country known for it's reputation of being the free-est country in the world, and value liberty and personal freedom over anything, there is a huge problem.

And people think America is radically different from Russia... Not realising they are practically insync.
User avatar #529 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
Let's not go as far as to say Russia and America are practically one in the same. America is not nearly as corrupt as Russia.

You may have noticed that America, politically, (just look at the federal government), is liberal. However, in practice it is conservative. The nation is really gridlocked with what it wants, this really isn't going to change for the next 20 years or so. Take a look at the republican party. There are two sides to it right now. The tea party side of almost fascist conservatives, then the more moderate side. That's causing problems for them but thankfully, pressure from their constituents is making gay marriage legalized in more and more states.
Just because a country was founded 300 years ago on a base of freedom, does not mean that all of its citizens now are willing to comply to that. This is a question of morality. Should it be? Probably not since no one is being harmed.

If you are gay, and live in America now, in a state where gay marriage is not legal, I'm very sorry that you can't enter into a marriage with your partner. However, this will change. Slowly, yes, but surely. That's how to US government was set up. To change with the times but to make that change slow. Remember, the last time a radical change happened it caused a civil war.
#553 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
America is in theory liberal, but is in practice 100% conservative, and that is not only not going to change in the next 20 years, that will not change in a long, long time.

Russia is more corrupt than America? I think not, it's just that American production is a lot more sophisticated. Look at lobbyism in America. It is the purest form of corruption there is. These are companies like McDonalds who give the politicians serious cash to lower health guidelines so that people are more likely to eat their shit food, and it goes even deeper than that, because you've got companies that lobby in to some really serious issues.

My point is not only on the fact that it seems contradictory for America to be as un-liberal as it is, it is of how Americans (and I am talking the vast majority of Americans here) seems to wave America around with a kind of nationalism (*cough* I meant patriotism - when it's America it's never nationalism) that roots in the fact that it is a free country.

How do you define a radical change? And how can you say that "it will change in time"? Are you implying that everything will change for the better? I do doubt it. That means, before the death of humankind, America will be a country with the best healthcare system in the world, where all animal farming is organic and free-range (if at all existing), a CO2 neutral country and many more? As far as my logical thinking goes, the previously mentioned will never be true of America, and if you hold that it most definately will, then you are blind and need to open your eyes.

The American Dream and concept of itself is dead. You've got your government trying to establish 100% monitoring, and you don't see it happening, but rather you go to the shop to buy an American flag and wave it around saying that America is the best and most free country in the world.
#506 - Not gay marriage, being gay in private. Also the civi…  [+] (8 new replies) 01/19/2014 on Makes sence I guess +1
User avatar #557 - dsrtpnk (01/19/2014) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg

Not even Europe is equal so I don't understand why so many are confused or look down upon the US for not accepting homosexual marriage. Nor do I understand the Americans that keep telling us that Europe has already allowed same sex marriage so we should do the same.

I'm only saying that at least with civil unions, you gain a step towards marriage and showing the population that it isn't all bad. It's a better strategy than having a judge overturn the voting booths.
#560 - tyraxio (01/21/2014) [-]
The map you just showed states that civil unions and same-sex marriages are pretty much existing to some degree (I am not quite sure what to make of the "unrecognised" countries, as that can be interpreted vividly) in all of central Europe. Sure, you've got some East Bloc countries where it is forbidden, and without sounding nationalist, I don't think that quite counts as what most people define as "Europe".

Though, that is irrelevant. I am not saying America should be more accepting of same-sex marriages BECAUSE Europe generally is. It's just that it seems contradictory with America's manifest of freedom, liberty and secularisation that homosexuals cannot get married legally in some states.
User avatar #517 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
A civil union does not grant ALL of the privileges that a marriage does. I'm not exactly sure what the differences are though, something about children and insurance. My gay gym teacher explained it once but I have since forgotten.

It's not called a marriage because it isn't a marriage.
#520 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
But it should be a marriage.

The fact that there is a difference (I don't know a lot about it, I'm not American - all I do know is that Americans are fucking weird for not accepting homosexuals legally in the 21st century) only makes it a lot worse. I don't see why I am not qualified to enter a legal relationship of equal standards to that of a heterosexual couple just because me and my partner has the same genitals. No, I cant reproduce sexually, but is that really everything marriage is about nowadays? Hell no. I am as entitled to be married as my neighbour is.
User avatar #525 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
I agree with you, marriage shouldn't depend on gender. However, when you say Americans don't accept homosexuals you're not totally correct. Most Americans that live in cities and on the east and west coasts do. It's really the bible belt that's weird about it. America has a history of cultural division (civil war), because it's so big, it wasn't easy to keep the whole nation on the same page 150 years ago. That led to a division of culture and as some areas blossomed into the industrial revolution and accepted science and education, others stayed largely as farm areas. So, while now it's easier to keep people updated the damage has already been done.

I think what Bible thumpers don't realize is that churches won't be forced to give gay marriages. Everyone thinks that what they're doing is right, so there's no way to really change their minds. At this point we just need to wait until the baby boomer generation dies out.
#526 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
I am not saying that all American individuals do not accept homosexuals, only that something is wrong with a country as a whole, when it is a debate rather than a question of a few ignorant idiots whose voices are not heard in the public debate. Especially, when the country in which this debate takes place, is a country known for it's reputation of being the free-est country in the world, and value liberty and personal freedom over anything, there is a huge problem.

And people think America is radically different from Russia... Not realising they are practically insync.
User avatar #529 - thejerseyjenn (01/19/2014) [-]
Let's not go as far as to say Russia and America are practically one in the same. America is not nearly as corrupt as Russia.

You may have noticed that America, politically, (just look at the federal government), is liberal. However, in practice it is conservative. The nation is really gridlocked with what it wants, this really isn't going to change for the next 20 years or so. Take a look at the republican party. There are two sides to it right now. The tea party side of almost fascist conservatives, then the more moderate side. That's causing problems for them but thankfully, pressure from their constituents is making gay marriage legalized in more and more states.
Just because a country was founded 300 years ago on a base of freedom, does not mean that all of its citizens now are willing to comply to that. This is a question of morality. Should it be? Probably not since no one is being harmed.

If you are gay, and live in America now, in a state where gay marriage is not legal, I'm very sorry that you can't enter into a marriage with your partner. However, this will change. Slowly, yes, but surely. That's how to US government was set up. To change with the times but to make that change slow. Remember, the last time a radical change happened it caused a civil war.
#553 - tyraxio (01/19/2014) [-]
America is in theory liberal, but is in practice 100% conservative, and that is not only not going to change in the next 20 years, that will not change in a long, long time.

Russia is more corrupt than America? I think not, it's just that American production is a lot more sophisticated. Look at lobbyism in America. It is the purest form of corruption there is. These are companies like McDonalds who give the politicians serious cash to lower health guidelines so that people are more likely to eat their shit food, and it goes even deeper than that, because you've got companies that lobby in to some really serious issues.

My point is not only on the fact that it seems contradictory for America to be as un-liberal as it is, it is of how Americans (and I am talking the vast majority of Americans here) seems to wave America around with a kind of nationalism (*cough* I meant patriotism - when it's America it's never nationalism) that roots in the fact that it is a free country.

How do you define a radical change? And how can you say that "it will change in time"? Are you implying that everything will change for the better? I do doubt it. That means, before the death of humankind, America will be a country with the best healthcare system in the world, where all animal farming is organic and free-range (if at all existing), a CO2 neutral country and many more? As far as my logical thinking goes, the previously mentioned will never be true of America, and if you hold that it most definately will, then you are blind and need to open your eyes.

The American Dream and concept of itself is dead. You've got your government trying to establish 100% monitoring, and you don't see it happening, but rather you go to the shop to buy an American flag and wave it around saying that America is the best and most free country in the world.
#348 - What you're saying now seems a bit silly. I don't mak… 01/17/2014 on I agree with this 0
#347 - I literally could not comprehend that sentence.  [+] (1 new reply) 01/17/2014 on I agree with this 0
#364 - pjers (08/11/2014) [-]
it was weed I was implying.
#108 - That looks like a fun idea, but you do realise that vertical c…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this 0
#135 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
that's what the old conventional farms are for, cows & chickens & medicinal items
#347 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
I literally could not comprehend that sentence.
#364 - pjers (08/11/2014) [-]
it was weed I was implying.
#102 - Whoah man, why the anger? I take b12 vitamin every on…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this 0
#130 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
a burger & some kind bolognase, they were awful but what can I say the girl was fine.
The anger is cause I've yet to meet a vegan who didn't make it very clear, like it was a part of who they are but I've known a gay guy who I didn't know was gay till I met his boyfriend, there may be those who do it for actual moral reasons short sighted as they are but for every 1 of them there are 10 who are doing it for a put on.
#348 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
What you're saying now seems a bit silly.

I don't make it very clear that I am a vegan, a lot of people are surprised when they find out or I tell them, which is usually only if I am to eat with them, and that is although being vegan is a major part of my personality. I do it for moral reasons, I don't see how that is anywhat short sighted.
#84 - Your cannibalism objection is very good. What I mean is, t…  [+] (9 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this 0
#94 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
no vegans don't get all the nutrients easily you take supplements don't you, or some magic veggie from medupistan that's ridiculously hard to grow & wouldn't be needed anyway if you just did the sensible thing & had a damn bacon sandwich every week.

It just doesn't sound sensible the most efficient method of food production is vertical farms in the cities & the countryside making meat so we can have food that actually tastes of some thing cause I've been to a couple of the best vegan restaurants in london and it all tastes half done.
#102 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Whoah man, why the anger?

I take b12 vitamin every once in a while, but that's it. I drink soymilk and occasionally have falafel or a patty or something. Except from that, I eat the same stuff as you guys. I have actually only been sick like once since I turned vegan 2 or 3 years ago.

Well, what did you eat? I mean, I've had great veggie burgers, hot dogs and such in London, but expecting a meat experience from a restaurant that serves vegan (usually thought to be synonymous with healthy, and therefore usually less tasty in the way most people define tasty) food, which is obviously not anwhat like going to a great steakhouse.
#130 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
a burger & some kind bolognase, they were awful but what can I say the girl was fine.
The anger is cause I've yet to meet a vegan who didn't make it very clear, like it was a part of who they are but I've known a gay guy who I didn't know was gay till I met his boyfriend, there may be those who do it for actual moral reasons short sighted as they are but for every 1 of them there are 10 who are doing it for a put on.
#348 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
What you're saying now seems a bit silly.

I don't make it very clear that I am a vegan, a lot of people are surprised when they find out or I tell them, which is usually only if I am to eat with them, and that is although being vegan is a major part of my personality. I do it for moral reasons, I don't see how that is anywhat short sighted.
#95 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
www.verticalfarm.com/

what a vertical farm is if you're interested.
#108 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
That looks like a fun idea, but you do realise that vertical conventional animal farms wouldn't be green plains with fresh air for the city. Just a bunch of cows kept together only in a high rise instead of a farm.
#135 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
that's what the old conventional farms are for, cows & chickens & medicinal items
#347 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
I literally could not comprehend that sentence.
#364 - pjers (08/11/2014) [-]
it was weed I was implying.
#79 - Definately, that would be more appropriate. But in the same wa… 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +1
#98 - I think the exact study was happier, but I'm implying that fre…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/16/2014 on Margarita Anyone? 0
#99 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Nah its not like that at all. My main problems with america are actually that we are moving away form the ideas of the founding fathers. I disagree with the government infringing on my protected rights. The real core values i support. Not the values of the "two" political parties (even though they have different names anyone who pays attention realizes they are exactly the same track record wise.)
#73 - But that's a very harsh way to put it. I mean it's like me str…  [+] (2 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +1
User avatar #74 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
how I would say the rock music one, "some rock music is bad. However I like it." I could have restated it "Some vegans are crazy, but it's not a bad lifestyle."
#79 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Definately, that would be more appropriate. But in the same way, it just seems weird to highlight it, since it seems to imply certain things of a specific population.
#67 - All groups have their bad eggs. I mean, I know multiple vegan …  [+] (4 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +2
User avatar #69 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
"vegans are crazy sometimes, that's all there is to it." that was my final statement. you then agreed with it, now stop talking to me, I'm lurking.
#73 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
But that's a very harsh way to put it. I mean it's like me structuring a classical argument saying;
I have heard a few rock songs that are bad
I know rock is a genre
Therefore, rock sounds bad by definition.

I don't agree to the statements that "vegans are crazy sometimes" more than I would agree to the statement "lawyers are crazy sometimes" based on the behaviour of a few lawyers.

Vegans are individuals, not some kind of hivemind that dictates sudden crazy acts. Sure, it allows for easy access to fucking up a child's diet, but not better access than a parent who eats a lot of fast food or something like that.
User avatar #74 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
how I would say the rock music one, "some rock music is bad. However I like it." I could have restated it "Some vegans are crazy, but it's not a bad lifestyle."
#79 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Definately, that would be more appropriate. But in the same way, it just seems weird to highlight it, since it seems to imply certain things of a specific population.
#62 - Nothing from a non-human animal. I mean, breastmilk is pretty …  [+] (17 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +2
#75 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
is cannibalism vegan then?
the thing is our food animals have done well out of the arrangement, they exist in far greater numbers than nature alone could ever hope to sustain, humans don't get some nutrients if they eat vegetables alone so we've done well of it as well.
And I don't care what it "intended" to give me without me & mine that animal would never have been born, I think they should be well cared for that's why I buy expensive meat but make no bones about it those animals have been created for the plate & to beleve that if we were all vegan then everything would be wonderful & we'd have peaches & soycream for every meal is just deluded.
#84 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Your cannibalism objection is very good.
What I mean is, that the vegan diet does not imply anything in regards to human breast milk because it is given freely to the child. It only dictate that one shouldn't get it from other animals, or force the animal to give it to you.

Vegans can get all the nutrients easily. There are vegan iron men and bodybuilders out there.

I am not living in a dreamworld, and the chance of a completely vegan society is minimal, but I'm starting with myself.
#94 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
no vegans don't get all the nutrients easily you take supplements don't you, or some magic veggie from medupistan that's ridiculously hard to grow & wouldn't be needed anyway if you just did the sensible thing & had a damn bacon sandwich every week.

It just doesn't sound sensible the most efficient method of food production is vertical farms in the cities & the countryside making meat so we can have food that actually tastes of some thing cause I've been to a couple of the best vegan restaurants in london and it all tastes half done.
#102 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Whoah man, why the anger?

I take b12 vitamin every once in a while, but that's it. I drink soymilk and occasionally have falafel or a patty or something. Except from that, I eat the same stuff as you guys. I have actually only been sick like once since I turned vegan 2 or 3 years ago.

Well, what did you eat? I mean, I've had great veggie burgers, hot dogs and such in London, but expecting a meat experience from a restaurant that serves vegan (usually thought to be synonymous with healthy, and therefore usually less tasty in the way most people define tasty) food, which is obviously not anwhat like going to a great steakhouse.
#130 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
a burger & some kind bolognase, they were awful but what can I say the girl was fine.
The anger is cause I've yet to meet a vegan who didn't make it very clear, like it was a part of who they are but I've known a gay guy who I didn't know was gay till I met his boyfriend, there may be those who do it for actual moral reasons short sighted as they are but for every 1 of them there are 10 who are doing it for a put on.
#348 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
What you're saying now seems a bit silly.

I don't make it very clear that I am a vegan, a lot of people are surprised when they find out or I tell them, which is usually only if I am to eat with them, and that is although being vegan is a major part of my personality. I do it for moral reasons, I don't see how that is anywhat short sighted.
#95 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
www.verticalfarm.com/

what a vertical farm is if you're interested.
#108 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
That looks like a fun idea, but you do realise that vertical conventional animal farms wouldn't be green plains with fresh air for the city. Just a bunch of cows kept together only in a high rise instead of a farm.
#135 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
that's what the old conventional farms are for, cows & chickens & medicinal items
#347 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
I literally could not comprehend that sentence.
#364 - pjers (08/11/2014) [-]
it was weed I was implying.
User avatar #65 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
vegans are crazy sometimes, that's all there is to it.
#67 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
All groups have their bad eggs. I mean, I know multiple vegan parents who are really engaged in feeding their children properly, especially because they feel like it's a nice challenge and that they can almost use their child's diet as a hobby. That sounds weird, but I think it means a lot to people and it really lets them engage a lot of effort into feeding the child correctly, whereas I see many people who simply do not think so much about the childs diet, not poisoning them or anything, but simply give them what they seem fit. I mean, I rarely see "normal" parents engaging themselves in getting the right nutrients (not thereby meaning they are giving the children too much or not enough to eat) whereas vegan parents are "forced" to look for quality food with good nutrients like vitamins and such.

I even used to follow a vegan blogger who had a baby that she really pampered for and posted a lot of tips and recipes for mothers that wish to raise their children in a vegan way that is still healthy.
User avatar #69 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
"vegans are crazy sometimes, that's all there is to it." that was my final statement. you then agreed with it, now stop talking to me, I'm lurking.
#73 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
But that's a very harsh way to put it. I mean it's like me structuring a classical argument saying;
I have heard a few rock songs that are bad
I know rock is a genre
Therefore, rock sounds bad by definition.

I don't agree to the statements that "vegans are crazy sometimes" more than I would agree to the statement "lawyers are crazy sometimes" based on the behaviour of a few lawyers.

Vegans are individuals, not some kind of hivemind that dictates sudden crazy acts. Sure, it allows for easy access to fucking up a child's diet, but not better access than a parent who eats a lot of fast food or something like that.
User avatar #74 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
how I would say the rock music one, "some rock music is bad. However I like it." I could have restated it "Some vegans are crazy, but it's not a bad lifestyle."
#79 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Definately, that would be more appropriate. But in the same way, it just seems weird to highlight it, since it seems to imply certain things of a specific population.
#58 - Neither vegans or vegetarians eat fish, however pescetarians d…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this 0
User avatar #60 - Haruhi (01/16/2014) [-]
Thank you for clarifying
#96 - Why are you so protective, dude? I'm just chatting with you. …  [+] (3 new replies) 01/16/2014 on Margarita Anyone? 0
#97 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Im actually trying to not be super agro about this and i appreciate your calm demeanor. Its a rare occurrence anywhere on the net these days. My point is simply that its better to improve your country than to just leave it. Too many people here and other sites i frequent always ask why it is Americans dont just leave if we dont like the government. I agree that many countries do a lot of things better than we do but thats not a reason to leave. Also as far as countries being declared "freeer" than the USA im pretty sure thats a real hard thing to quantify.
#98 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
I think the exact study was happier, but I'm implying that freedom makes happiness. I mean, not being free very rarely leads to a happy population. I mean, if you want to work on America because they have some core values that you don't wish to leave, then that's cool, it just seems silly when you are really like "the others are definately better, so I must make my country like it". If that's the case, just roll with it and move, you are not going to succeed making your country like the other one in your lifetime anyway.
#99 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Nah its not like that at all. My main problems with america are actually that we are moving away form the ideas of the founding fathers. I disagree with the government infringing on my protected rights. The real core values i support. Not the values of the "two" political parties (even though they have different names anyone who pays attention realizes they are exactly the same track record wise.)
#234 - Well, sure, they had reasons. Everyone has reasons, even when … 01/16/2014 on Too sad for a title. 0
#225 - What you say is true, and I am with you. I don't really blame …  [+] (2 new replies) 01/16/2014 on Too sad for a title. +1
#227 - saetonchapelle (01/16/2014) [-]
Someone posted up a video (probably above me I think) showing the footage along with a link to multiple pictures and such. Again, depressing, and individuals who chose to abuse their power should be punished. Sadly, it's not always caught. It's just as scary though how many people who commented on that video state that we shouldn't have police, police should be killed, and all that such. I'm not a police officer, never been one, but I couldn't even imagine how scary it is to confront someone who you don't know if they're drugged, have a weapon, or have a mental illness. Sucks for both sides
#234 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Well, sure, they had reasons. Everyone has reasons, even when it's not evident, it still has anger or frustration or even hate as a reason. They did something unacceptable, and should be punished for doing so. We are talking 9 minutes, you don't beat someone for a full 9 minutes without having more motivation than fear of a weapon.

Again, this is not a critique of the police as a whole, simply of what the police institution makes possible for it's members, such as a defense or reason against sanctioning.
#34 - No breast milk is not vegan. Vegan is about not harmi…  [+] (19 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +4
User avatar #59 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
it means nothing from an animal. period.
#62 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Nothing from a non-human animal. I mean, breastmilk is pretty much designed by nature to be the main part of diet in the first few years or months of a child's life. Veganism is more about the act of taking something from an animal that it did not intent to give you.
#75 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
is cannibalism vegan then?
the thing is our food animals have done well out of the arrangement, they exist in far greater numbers than nature alone could ever hope to sustain, humans don't get some nutrients if they eat vegetables alone so we've done well of it as well.
And I don't care what it "intended" to give me without me & mine that animal would never have been born, I think they should be well cared for that's why I buy expensive meat but make no bones about it those animals have been created for the plate & to beleve that if we were all vegan then everything would be wonderful & we'd have peaches & soycream for every meal is just deluded.
#84 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Your cannibalism objection is very good.
What I mean is, that the vegan diet does not imply anything in regards to human breast milk because it is given freely to the child. It only dictate that one shouldn't get it from other animals, or force the animal to give it to you.

Vegans can get all the nutrients easily. There are vegan iron men and bodybuilders out there.

I am not living in a dreamworld, and the chance of a completely vegan society is minimal, but I'm starting with myself.
#94 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
no vegans don't get all the nutrients easily you take supplements don't you, or some magic veggie from medupistan that's ridiculously hard to grow & wouldn't be needed anyway if you just did the sensible thing & had a damn bacon sandwich every week.

It just doesn't sound sensible the most efficient method of food production is vertical farms in the cities & the countryside making meat so we can have food that actually tastes of some thing cause I've been to a couple of the best vegan restaurants in london and it all tastes half done.
#102 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Whoah man, why the anger?

I take b12 vitamin every once in a while, but that's it. I drink soymilk and occasionally have falafel or a patty or something. Except from that, I eat the same stuff as you guys. I have actually only been sick like once since I turned vegan 2 or 3 years ago.

Well, what did you eat? I mean, I've had great veggie burgers, hot dogs and such in London, but expecting a meat experience from a restaurant that serves vegan (usually thought to be synonymous with healthy, and therefore usually less tasty in the way most people define tasty) food, which is obviously not anwhat like going to a great steakhouse.
#130 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
a burger & some kind bolognase, they were awful but what can I say the girl was fine.
The anger is cause I've yet to meet a vegan who didn't make it very clear, like it was a part of who they are but I've known a gay guy who I didn't know was gay till I met his boyfriend, there may be those who do it for actual moral reasons short sighted as they are but for every 1 of them there are 10 who are doing it for a put on.
#348 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
What you're saying now seems a bit silly.

I don't make it very clear that I am a vegan, a lot of people are surprised when they find out or I tell them, which is usually only if I am to eat with them, and that is although being vegan is a major part of my personality. I do it for moral reasons, I don't see how that is anywhat short sighted.
#95 - pjers (01/16/2014) [-]
www.verticalfarm.com/

what a vertical farm is if you're interested.
#108 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
That looks like a fun idea, but you do realise that vertical conventional animal farms wouldn't be green plains with fresh air for the city. Just a bunch of cows kept together only in a high rise instead of a farm.
#135 - pjers (01/17/2014) [-]
that's what the old conventional farms are for, cows & chickens & medicinal items
#347 - tyraxio (01/17/2014) [-]
I literally could not comprehend that sentence.
#364 - pjers (08/11/2014) [-]
it was weed I was implying.
User avatar #65 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
vegans are crazy sometimes, that's all there is to it.
#67 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
All groups have their bad eggs. I mean, I know multiple vegan parents who are really engaged in feeding their children properly, especially because they feel like it's a nice challenge and that they can almost use their child's diet as a hobby. That sounds weird, but I think it means a lot to people and it really lets them engage a lot of effort into feeding the child correctly, whereas I see many people who simply do not think so much about the childs diet, not poisoning them or anything, but simply give them what they seem fit. I mean, I rarely see "normal" parents engaging themselves in getting the right nutrients (not thereby meaning they are giving the children too much or not enough to eat) whereas vegan parents are "forced" to look for quality food with good nutrients like vitamins and such.

I even used to follow a vegan blogger who had a baby that she really pampered for and posted a lot of tips and recipes for mothers that wish to raise their children in a vegan way that is still healthy.
User avatar #69 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
"vegans are crazy sometimes, that's all there is to it." that was my final statement. you then agreed with it, now stop talking to me, I'm lurking.
#73 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
But that's a very harsh way to put it. I mean it's like me structuring a classical argument saying;
I have heard a few rock songs that are bad
I know rock is a genre
Therefore, rock sounds bad by definition.

I don't agree to the statements that "vegans are crazy sometimes" more than I would agree to the statement "lawyers are crazy sometimes" based on the behaviour of a few lawyers.

Vegans are individuals, not some kind of hivemind that dictates sudden crazy acts. Sure, it allows for easy access to fucking up a child's diet, but not better access than a parent who eats a lot of fast food or something like that.
User avatar #74 - sabcy (01/16/2014) [-]
how I would say the rock music one, "some rock music is bad. However I like it." I could have restated it "Some vegans are crazy, but it's not a bad lifestyle."
#79 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Definately, that would be more appropriate. But in the same way, it just seems weird to highlight it, since it seems to imply certain things of a specific population.
#33 - AVOIDING A **** STORM LET ME ADD SOMETHING HERE …  [+] (3 new replies) 01/16/2014 on I agree with this +6
User avatar #56 - Haruhi (01/16/2014) [-]
vegan and vegetarian are completely different diets. I'm pretty sure vegans don't even eat fish, while vegetarians mostly do, as far as I am aware. I could be wrong.
#58 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Neither vegans or vegetarians eat fish, however pescetarians do. Pescetarians are just vegetarians or vegans who also eat seafood. Vegetarians are just vegans who still eats all animal products that did not result in the direct killing of an animal.
User avatar #60 - Haruhi (01/16/2014) [-]
Thank you for clarifying
#62 - Also addendum to my other comment; You protest if you… 01/16/2014 on Margarita Anyone? +2
#60 - >implying you will become a politician What rights…  [+] (6 new replies) 01/16/2014 on Margarita Anyone? +1
#95 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
No the right to bear arms is not the only one. I would explain all the things protected here that arent in European nations, but i dont have that much time. Also its not that any one country supports one right or another its that they dont support all the rights i want. Take Germany for example. Its illegal to profess love for nazis . Here i could get a damn swastika tatted on me and walk down the street. While that may not seem like much it means i have the true right to freedom of speech not some abridged bullshit "right".

Also im sorry that your such a defeatist. Im not prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Im not gonna leave my home because i dont like what my current elected officials are doing. Im sorry that id rather stay and fight for change rather than running away and taking the easy way out. Nothing good and life is easy. Why would this be any diffferent?
#96 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Why are you so protective, dude? I'm just chatting with you.

Germany is very criticised of the rule saying you can't express nazi views. I don't think that's right, either. People should be let free to believe whatever they want as long as they don't harm anyone in doing so. Considering Germanys past (they do still suffer from a fear for it to happen again) I do understand though, but in most other European countries, you can express whatever the hell you want. In fact, a Scandinavian country was voted as the "free-est" country in the world, which is interesting considering we have much higher taxes and America has such a "free" complex.

I'm not trying to insult either you or your nation, and I'm not asking you to give up anything, I just think it's about personal happiness, and if I found that the Japanese social system was better for me (although, I doubt it. The western world is a bit more updated in regards to some degree of state-help and such) I would move to Japan. No need for me to attack the nation I already live in if I already know that what I want exists somewhere else. I'm also not going to turn my country into an "America" because I like the way America is. I already know the language, so that's not at all a problem, so I can move straight on in. There's no need for that sense of "honor", that you should not flee, I mean, just do whatever will make you happier.
#97 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Im actually trying to not be super agro about this and i appreciate your calm demeanor. Its a rare occurrence anywhere on the net these days. My point is simply that its better to improve your country than to just leave it. Too many people here and other sites i frequent always ask why it is Americans dont just leave if we dont like the government. I agree that many countries do a lot of things better than we do but thats not a reason to leave. Also as far as countries being declared "freeer" than the USA im pretty sure thats a real hard thing to quantify.
#98 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
I think the exact study was happier, but I'm implying that freedom makes happiness. I mean, not being free very rarely leads to a happy population. I mean, if you want to work on America because they have some core values that you don't wish to leave, then that's cool, it just seems silly when you are really like "the others are definately better, so I must make my country like it". If that's the case, just roll with it and move, you are not going to succeed making your country like the other one in your lifetime anyway.
#99 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Nah its not like that at all. My main problems with america are actually that we are moving away form the ideas of the founding fathers. I disagree with the government infringing on my protected rights. The real core values i support. Not the values of the "two" political parties (even though they have different names anyone who pays attention realizes they are exactly the same track record wise.)
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#59 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
You don't just leave your home country because you dont agree with what they are doing. You try and change the things that are wrong man. Do you abandon your house because it has termites? No. Running from problems does not change them. It only shows you dont have what it takes to face them. If i have a problem with something my government does i protest or try and raise awareness. Not just move somewhere the fuck else.

Also their are rights my goverment protects that most others dont so...
#62 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Also addendum to my other comment;

You protest if you dislike minor things about your system, not if you dislike it in it's entirety. I mean, what will you really gain from protesting against the American Republican/Democratic chamber? Nothing, because it's such an integrated part of American culture that they will probably always be the two dominant parties.
#60 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
>implying you will become a politician

What rights? The right to bear arms? That's really the only one I can pin-point that other democratic European nations don't have.

If you don't like the way your country is, yes, you do just move. No reason to stick around with a bunch of shit you dislike. I've been living in London for a year and that was probably the best year of my life.
#95 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
No the right to bear arms is not the only one. I would explain all the things protected here that arent in European nations, but i dont have that much time. Also its not that any one country supports one right or another its that they dont support all the rights i want. Take Germany for example. Its illegal to profess love for nazis . Here i could get a damn swastika tatted on me and walk down the street. While that may not seem like much it means i have the true right to freedom of speech not some abridged bullshit "right".

Also im sorry that your such a defeatist. Im not prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Im not gonna leave my home because i dont like what my current elected officials are doing. Im sorry that id rather stay and fight for change rather than running away and taking the easy way out. Nothing good and life is easy. Why would this be any diffferent?
#96 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
Why are you so protective, dude? I'm just chatting with you.

Germany is very criticised of the rule saying you can't express nazi views. I don't think that's right, either. People should be let free to believe whatever they want as long as they don't harm anyone in doing so. Considering Germanys past (they do still suffer from a fear for it to happen again) I do understand though, but in most other European countries, you can express whatever the hell you want. In fact, a Scandinavian country was voted as the "free-est" country in the world, which is interesting considering we have much higher taxes and America has such a "free" complex.

I'm not trying to insult either you or your nation, and I'm not asking you to give up anything, I just think it's about personal happiness, and if I found that the Japanese social system was better for me (although, I doubt it. The western world is a bit more updated in regards to some degree of state-help and such) I would move to Japan. No need for me to attack the nation I already live in if I already know that what I want exists somewhere else. I'm also not going to turn my country into an "America" because I like the way America is. I already know the language, so that's not at all a problem, so I can move straight on in. There's no need for that sense of "honor", that you should not flee, I mean, just do whatever will make you happier.
#97 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Im actually trying to not be super agro about this and i appreciate your calm demeanor. Its a rare occurrence anywhere on the net these days. My point is simply that its better to improve your country than to just leave it. Too many people here and other sites i frequent always ask why it is Americans dont just leave if we dont like the government. I agree that many countries do a lot of things better than we do but thats not a reason to leave. Also as far as countries being declared "freeer" than the USA im pretty sure thats a real hard thing to quantify.
#98 - tyraxio (01/16/2014) [-]
I think the exact study was happier, but I'm implying that freedom makes happiness. I mean, not being free very rarely leads to a happy population. I mean, if you want to work on America because they have some core values that you don't wish to leave, then that's cool, it just seems silly when you are really like "the others are definately better, so I must make my country like it". If that's the case, just roll with it and move, you are not going to succeed making your country like the other one in your lifetime anyway.
#99 - asasinmonkey (01/16/2014) [-]
Nah its not like that at all. My main problems with america are actually that we are moving away form the ideas of the founding fathers. I disagree with the government infringing on my protected rights. The real core values i support. Not the values of the "two" political parties (even though they have different names anyone who pays attention realizes they are exactly the same track record wise.)
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