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#65 - Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive t… 11 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor -1
#51 - Yes i have driven a car before. I got my driving license and h…  [+] (2 new replies) 12 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor -1
User avatar #52 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Make a trip between states and tell me that to exceed the limit while passing someone is irresponsible. You know what matters? It's not the damned speed limit: 75 mph is just as lethal as 80 mph. It's situational awareness and precaution.
I was hit by a driver while I was riding my bike to work. I cycled through a lot through which forklifts and cargo trucks commonly traversed, was on the left side of the road (which is the correct side in Okinawa) taking a left turn, and a driver came speeding around the corner at thirty miles per hour on their right side of the road, my left side, just as I reached it. Did that happen because they were speeding? No. That happened because they were refusing to be aware of their surroundings in a heavily trafficked area, just as those two drivers in the content were, just as the person who hit you was. The limitation is in place to prevent irresponsibility and the rammifications of idiocy at high speeds, but to exceed the limit in many circumstances is not irresponsible.
If you think that driving at the dictated speed is safe just because it's dictated, and that exceeding it even a little bit is unsafe just because it's dictated not to, then you're extremely dumb.
#65 - tobyonekenoby (11 hours ago) [-]
Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive through states.
Second, I don't think that speed=safety in traffic, but it is a part of safety. If someone drives fast, then your breaking length is longer, which means that even though you see whats coming, sometimes you just can't do anything about it. As you said, the speed limit is there to stop people from doing stupid shit, but if everyone think that the speed limit is just there to say "well you can go around 90 km/h its okay if you go 10km/h more" then when the dumb shit happens, its going to be much more violent.
And seriously this whole discusion started because another person thought that the biker was not driving like a tard. The illegal passing and the high speed
#32 - And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal …  [+] (1 new reply) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor +1
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
#30 - This driver maybe did pull out a little to early, but the faul…  [+] (3 new replies) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor 0
User avatar #31 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It wasn't a little early. There's no way he had time to look in his rear view after turning on the signal, unless it was while turning. That signal did absolutely nothing. It didn't inform anyone of his actions. So unless you condone switching lanes without signalling at all, he's a fuckhead.
#32 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal passing is not a fuck head? And did you know you are supposed to look behind you before you turn on the signal?
It may well have been the case that he had looked behind him, seen nothing because the car in the outer lane had been driving at the speed limit, then he signals and pulls out in clearly lots of space. Then the motorcyclist does an illegal passing with far too much speed and causes an accident.
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
#27 - Why would you do that, if you all ready are driving at the spe…  [+] (17 new replies) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor 0
User avatar #50 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Dude, have you ever driven?
Clearly, you have not. There are always people going below the speed limit that need to be passed, passing in a two lane road is risky as hell and requires you to put the pedal to the metal (one time I passed and came within a few feet of a head-on collision with a semi because I did not accelerate quickly. I don't like accelerating because it feels like it will overwork my engine, but that nearly cost me my life), and the left lane of freeways is generally accepted as the "fast lane" because it's used so commonly to quickly pass vehicles such as semis, U-hauls, trucks with trailers, mobile homes, etc, and people go five or ten miles over the speed limit.
My rule of thumb is that as long as you don't go fifteen percent over the speed limit it's acceptable. The limit's based on the quality of the road and its direction: it's perfectly safe to go a bit faster on a freeway if you pay attention to your surroundings (which the drivers in the gif did not do) because they are generally straight and are built for high speeds, but in places like rural roads, parking lots, or roads that meander a lot it's not safe. The speed limit is not a concrete, irrefutable number. Just as the permissible mileage is determined by a general judgement of a road's potential hazards, you should use your own judgement to be able to discern the difference between acceptable instances of exceeding the limit and dangerous ones.
User avatar #57 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
It's still illegal to do so. Obviously, no one really follows that law very well, but it's still a law.

If you try to pass, and can't pass without speeding, -you- made the choice to make an unsafe pass. If you couldn't see the traffic or whatever, then it was an unsafe judgement, on your part.

Of course, if I go to pass and am about to crash into someone, I'm gonna speed up. But whether you crash or get a ticket in this situation, is your fault, by law.
User avatar #58 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I've already given an anecdotal example of why it's necessary to accelerate why speeding on a two lane road. On freeways, they have multiple lanes so that people can pass without a whole lot of risk. It is legal to exceed the limit if the person you're passing is going slower than the proscribed speed, and if it wasn't then that would mean a cop could go a mile under the speed limit and ticket anyone that passed them at all.
To go no faster than the speed limit while passing is more hazardous and irresponsible than to not.
User avatar #62 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
If the speed limit is 65 mph, and the cop is going 64, and you pass him going 65, then you aren't going over the speed limit. It's still the law, no matter the road that you're on.

If the person is going slower than the speed limit, then you don't need to exceed the speed limit to pass them.. So I'm really not seeing your point.
User avatar #64 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
You can't pass someone by driving a single mph faster than them. That would take ten damn minutes and would just be driving in a different lane. Here in Colorado the drivers on the freeway are always supposed to be in the right lane and the left lane is used solely for passing, which pretty much necessitates going faster than the guys in the right, often a few miles faster than the limit.
My point is that it is not unsafe to exceed the limit by a few miles per hour while passing another driver and is often necessary.
User avatar #67 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
The only state that I'm aware of that has an increased speed limit while passing, is Minnesota. Which has a 10 Mph leniency while passing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's the only state with such a law.

But, here in NY, I know for sure that you can't exceed the speed limit, even by 1 mph, legally. I've gotten a ticket for it, first hand. 200 bucks for that shit.
User avatar #68 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I cited a Washington law somewhere in this thread that permitted speeding while passing.
It's an extreme hazard to not speed while passing on a two lane road in any case.
User avatar #54 - mylazy (12 hours ago) [-]
The only time this is true is if there are no cops around. Even then it is still illegal...just doesn't really matter that it is because no one is gonna pull you over.
User avatar #55 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Most of the time the pace of traffic is about five miles over the speed limit on moderately busy freeways. I haven't seen anybody get pulled over for going more than five or ten unless it's in the city.
Anyway, to address the issue of passing, "(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety"
#51 - tobyonekenoby (12 hours ago) [-]
Yes i have driven a car before. I got my driving license and have been driving for 1.5 years. and i was in an accident because a tard wanted to go 10 km/h faster than he was allowed to so when the light turned red he could not stop and he hit my car.
User avatar #52 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Make a trip between states and tell me that to exceed the limit while passing someone is irresponsible. You know what matters? It's not the damned speed limit: 75 mph is just as lethal as 80 mph. It's situational awareness and precaution.
I was hit by a driver while I was riding my bike to work. I cycled through a lot through which forklifts and cargo trucks commonly traversed, was on the left side of the road (which is the correct side in Okinawa) taking a left turn, and a driver came speeding around the corner at thirty miles per hour on their right side of the road, my left side, just as I reached it. Did that happen because they were speeding? No. That happened because they were refusing to be aware of their surroundings in a heavily trafficked area, just as those two drivers in the content were, just as the person who hit you was. The limitation is in place to prevent irresponsibility and the rammifications of idiocy at high speeds, but to exceed the limit in many circumstances is not irresponsible.
If you think that driving at the dictated speed is safe just because it's dictated, and that exceeding it even a little bit is unsafe just because it's dictated not to, then you're extremely dumb.
#65 - tobyonekenoby (11 hours ago) [-]
Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive through states.
Second, I don't think that speed=safety in traffic, but it is a part of safety. If someone drives fast, then your breaking length is longer, which means that even though you see whats coming, sometimes you just can't do anything about it. As you said, the speed limit is there to stop people from doing stupid shit, but if everyone think that the speed limit is just there to say "well you can go around 90 km/h its okay if you go 10km/h more" then when the dumb shit happens, its going to be much more violent.
And seriously this whole discusion started because another person thought that the biker was not driving like a tard. The illegal passing and the high speed
User avatar #28 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
If that person's driving like a dickhead, for instance. I'd rather be in front of a bad driver than behind one.
#30 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
This driver maybe did pull out a little to early, but the fault is clearly with the motorcycle going far too fast and making an illegal pass.
Plus you driving faster than allowed to may even create more shit than er person "driving like a dickhead".
User avatar #31 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It wasn't a little early. There's no way he had time to look in his rear view after turning on the signal, unless it was while turning. That signal did absolutely nothing. It didn't inform anyone of his actions. So unless you condone switching lanes without signalling at all, he's a fuckhead.
#32 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal passing is not a fuck head? And did you know you are supposed to look behind you before you turn on the signal?
It may well have been the case that he had looked behind him, seen nothing because the car in the outer lane had been driving at the speed limit, then he signals and pulls out in clearly lots of space. Then the motorcyclist does an illegal passing with far too much speed and causes an accident.
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
#25 - Then you should really read the law again. Plus, if you pass a…  [+] (19 new replies) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor 0
User avatar #26 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It's not about that, it's about passing quickly and getting back into a coordinated position on the road.
#27 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
Why would you do that, if you all ready are driving at the speed limit and in a coordinated position on the road? why is there a need to pass someone who goes as fast as you are supposed to?
User avatar #50 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Dude, have you ever driven?
Clearly, you have not. There are always people going below the speed limit that need to be passed, passing in a two lane road is risky as hell and requires you to put the pedal to the metal (one time I passed and came within a few feet of a head-on collision with a semi because I did not accelerate quickly. I don't like accelerating because it feels like it will overwork my engine, but that nearly cost me my life), and the left lane of freeways is generally accepted as the "fast lane" because it's used so commonly to quickly pass vehicles such as semis, U-hauls, trucks with trailers, mobile homes, etc, and people go five or ten miles over the speed limit.
My rule of thumb is that as long as you don't go fifteen percent over the speed limit it's acceptable. The limit's based on the quality of the road and its direction: it's perfectly safe to go a bit faster on a freeway if you pay attention to your surroundings (which the drivers in the gif did not do) because they are generally straight and are built for high speeds, but in places like rural roads, parking lots, or roads that meander a lot it's not safe. The speed limit is not a concrete, irrefutable number. Just as the permissible mileage is determined by a general judgement of a road's potential hazards, you should use your own judgement to be able to discern the difference between acceptable instances of exceeding the limit and dangerous ones.
User avatar #57 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
It's still illegal to do so. Obviously, no one really follows that law very well, but it's still a law.

If you try to pass, and can't pass without speeding, -you- made the choice to make an unsafe pass. If you couldn't see the traffic or whatever, then it was an unsafe judgement, on your part.

Of course, if I go to pass and am about to crash into someone, I'm gonna speed up. But whether you crash or get a ticket in this situation, is your fault, by law.
User avatar #58 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I've already given an anecdotal example of why it's necessary to accelerate why speeding on a two lane road. On freeways, they have multiple lanes so that people can pass without a whole lot of risk. It is legal to exceed the limit if the person you're passing is going slower than the proscribed speed, and if it wasn't then that would mean a cop could go a mile under the speed limit and ticket anyone that passed them at all.
To go no faster than the speed limit while passing is more hazardous and irresponsible than to not.
User avatar #62 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
If the speed limit is 65 mph, and the cop is going 64, and you pass him going 65, then you aren't going over the speed limit. It's still the law, no matter the road that you're on.

If the person is going slower than the speed limit, then you don't need to exceed the speed limit to pass them.. So I'm really not seeing your point.
User avatar #64 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
You can't pass someone by driving a single mph faster than them. That would take ten damn minutes and would just be driving in a different lane. Here in Colorado the drivers on the freeway are always supposed to be in the right lane and the left lane is used solely for passing, which pretty much necessitates going faster than the guys in the right, often a few miles faster than the limit.
My point is that it is not unsafe to exceed the limit by a few miles per hour while passing another driver and is often necessary.
User avatar #67 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
The only state that I'm aware of that has an increased speed limit while passing, is Minnesota. Which has a 10 Mph leniency while passing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's the only state with such a law.

But, here in NY, I know for sure that you can't exceed the speed limit, even by 1 mph, legally. I've gotten a ticket for it, first hand. 200 bucks for that shit.
User avatar #68 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I cited a Washington law somewhere in this thread that permitted speeding while passing.
It's an extreme hazard to not speed while passing on a two lane road in any case.
User avatar #54 - mylazy (12 hours ago) [-]
The only time this is true is if there are no cops around. Even then it is still illegal...just doesn't really matter that it is because no one is gonna pull you over.
User avatar #55 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Most of the time the pace of traffic is about five miles over the speed limit on moderately busy freeways. I haven't seen anybody get pulled over for going more than five or ten unless it's in the city.
Anyway, to address the issue of passing, "(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety"
#51 - tobyonekenoby (12 hours ago) [-]
Yes i have driven a car before. I got my driving license and have been driving for 1.5 years. and i was in an accident because a tard wanted to go 10 km/h faster than he was allowed to so when the light turned red he could not stop and he hit my car.
User avatar #52 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Make a trip between states and tell me that to exceed the limit while passing someone is irresponsible. You know what matters? It's not the damned speed limit: 75 mph is just as lethal as 80 mph. It's situational awareness and precaution.
I was hit by a driver while I was riding my bike to work. I cycled through a lot through which forklifts and cargo trucks commonly traversed, was on the left side of the road (which is the correct side in Okinawa) taking a left turn, and a driver came speeding around the corner at thirty miles per hour on their right side of the road, my left side, just as I reached it. Did that happen because they were speeding? No. That happened because they were refusing to be aware of their surroundings in a heavily trafficked area, just as those two drivers in the content were, just as the person who hit you was. The limitation is in place to prevent irresponsibility and the rammifications of idiocy at high speeds, but to exceed the limit in many circumstances is not irresponsible.
If you think that driving at the dictated speed is safe just because it's dictated, and that exceeding it even a little bit is unsafe just because it's dictated not to, then you're extremely dumb.
#65 - tobyonekenoby (11 hours ago) [-]
Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive through states.
Second, I don't think that speed=safety in traffic, but it is a part of safety. If someone drives fast, then your breaking length is longer, which means that even though you see whats coming, sometimes you just can't do anything about it. As you said, the speed limit is there to stop people from doing stupid shit, but if everyone think that the speed limit is just there to say "well you can go around 90 km/h its okay if you go 10km/h more" then when the dumb shit happens, its going to be much more violent.
And seriously this whole discusion started because another person thought that the biker was not driving like a tard. The illegal passing and the high speed
User avatar #28 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
If that person's driving like a dickhead, for instance. I'd rather be in front of a bad driver than behind one.
#30 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
This driver maybe did pull out a little to early, but the fault is clearly with the motorcycle going far too fast and making an illegal pass.
Plus you driving faster than allowed to may even create more shit than er person "driving like a dickhead".
User avatar #31 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It wasn't a little early. There's no way he had time to look in his rear view after turning on the signal, unless it was while turning. That signal did absolutely nothing. It didn't inform anyone of his actions. So unless you condone switching lanes without signalling at all, he's a fuckhead.
#32 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal passing is not a fuck head? And did you know you are supposed to look behind you before you turn on the signal?
It may well have been the case that he had looked behind him, seen nothing because the car in the outer lane had been driving at the speed limit, then he signals and pulls out in clearly lots of space. Then the motorcyclist does an illegal passing with far too much speed and causes an accident.
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
#23 - So you disagreeing makes the law non important?  [+] (21 new replies) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor +2
User avatar #24 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
I disagree with what you think the law is.
#25 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
Then you should really read the law again. Plus, if you pass a person that drives at the speed limit. Then you go and slow down in front of him, how would that help you? or are you just going to keep driving faster than the speed limit?.
User avatar #26 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It's not about that, it's about passing quickly and getting back into a coordinated position on the road.
#27 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
Why would you do that, if you all ready are driving at the speed limit and in a coordinated position on the road? why is there a need to pass someone who goes as fast as you are supposed to?
User avatar #50 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Dude, have you ever driven?
Clearly, you have not. There are always people going below the speed limit that need to be passed, passing in a two lane road is risky as hell and requires you to put the pedal to the metal (one time I passed and came within a few feet of a head-on collision with a semi because I did not accelerate quickly. I don't like accelerating because it feels like it will overwork my engine, but that nearly cost me my life), and the left lane of freeways is generally accepted as the "fast lane" because it's used so commonly to quickly pass vehicles such as semis, U-hauls, trucks with trailers, mobile homes, etc, and people go five or ten miles over the speed limit.
My rule of thumb is that as long as you don't go fifteen percent over the speed limit it's acceptable. The limit's based on the quality of the road and its direction: it's perfectly safe to go a bit faster on a freeway if you pay attention to your surroundings (which the drivers in the gif did not do) because they are generally straight and are built for high speeds, but in places like rural roads, parking lots, or roads that meander a lot it's not safe. The speed limit is not a concrete, irrefutable number. Just as the permissible mileage is determined by a general judgement of a road's potential hazards, you should use your own judgement to be able to discern the difference between acceptable instances of exceeding the limit and dangerous ones.
User avatar #57 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
It's still illegal to do so. Obviously, no one really follows that law very well, but it's still a law.

If you try to pass, and can't pass without speeding, -you- made the choice to make an unsafe pass. If you couldn't see the traffic or whatever, then it was an unsafe judgement, on your part.

Of course, if I go to pass and am about to crash into someone, I'm gonna speed up. But whether you crash or get a ticket in this situation, is your fault, by law.
User avatar #58 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I've already given an anecdotal example of why it's necessary to accelerate why speeding on a two lane road. On freeways, they have multiple lanes so that people can pass without a whole lot of risk. It is legal to exceed the limit if the person you're passing is going slower than the proscribed speed, and if it wasn't then that would mean a cop could go a mile under the speed limit and ticket anyone that passed them at all.
To go no faster than the speed limit while passing is more hazardous and irresponsible than to not.
User avatar #62 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
If the speed limit is 65 mph, and the cop is going 64, and you pass him going 65, then you aren't going over the speed limit. It's still the law, no matter the road that you're on.

If the person is going slower than the speed limit, then you don't need to exceed the speed limit to pass them.. So I'm really not seeing your point.
User avatar #64 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
You can't pass someone by driving a single mph faster than them. That would take ten damn minutes and would just be driving in a different lane. Here in Colorado the drivers on the freeway are always supposed to be in the right lane and the left lane is used solely for passing, which pretty much necessitates going faster than the guys in the right, often a few miles faster than the limit.
My point is that it is not unsafe to exceed the limit by a few miles per hour while passing another driver and is often necessary.
User avatar #67 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
The only state that I'm aware of that has an increased speed limit while passing, is Minnesota. Which has a 10 Mph leniency while passing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's the only state with such a law.

But, here in NY, I know for sure that you can't exceed the speed limit, even by 1 mph, legally. I've gotten a ticket for it, first hand. 200 bucks for that shit.
User avatar #68 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I cited a Washington law somewhere in this thread that permitted speeding while passing.
It's an extreme hazard to not speed while passing on a two lane road in any case.
User avatar #54 - mylazy (12 hours ago) [-]
The only time this is true is if there are no cops around. Even then it is still illegal...just doesn't really matter that it is because no one is gonna pull you over.
User avatar #55 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Most of the time the pace of traffic is about five miles over the speed limit on moderately busy freeways. I haven't seen anybody get pulled over for going more than five or ten unless it's in the city.
Anyway, to address the issue of passing, "(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety"
#51 - tobyonekenoby (12 hours ago) [-]
Yes i have driven a car before. I got my driving license and have been driving for 1.5 years. and i was in an accident because a tard wanted to go 10 km/h faster than he was allowed to so when the light turned red he could not stop and he hit my car.
User avatar #52 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Make a trip between states and tell me that to exceed the limit while passing someone is irresponsible. You know what matters? It's not the damned speed limit: 75 mph is just as lethal as 80 mph. It's situational awareness and precaution.
I was hit by a driver while I was riding my bike to work. I cycled through a lot through which forklifts and cargo trucks commonly traversed, was on the left side of the road (which is the correct side in Okinawa) taking a left turn, and a driver came speeding around the corner at thirty miles per hour on their right side of the road, my left side, just as I reached it. Did that happen because they were speeding? No. That happened because they were refusing to be aware of their surroundings in a heavily trafficked area, just as those two drivers in the content were, just as the person who hit you was. The limitation is in place to prevent irresponsibility and the rammifications of idiocy at high speeds, but to exceed the limit in many circumstances is not irresponsible.
If you think that driving at the dictated speed is safe just because it's dictated, and that exceeding it even a little bit is unsafe just because it's dictated not to, then you're extremely dumb.
#65 - tobyonekenoby (11 hours ago) [-]
Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive through states.
Second, I don't think that speed=safety in traffic, but it is a part of safety. If someone drives fast, then your breaking length is longer, which means that even though you see whats coming, sometimes you just can't do anything about it. As you said, the speed limit is there to stop people from doing stupid shit, but if everyone think that the speed limit is just there to say "well you can go around 90 km/h its okay if you go 10km/h more" then when the dumb shit happens, its going to be much more violent.
And seriously this whole discusion started because another person thought that the biker was not driving like a tard. The illegal passing and the high speed
User avatar #28 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
If that person's driving like a dickhead, for instance. I'd rather be in front of a bad driver than behind one.
#30 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
This driver maybe did pull out a little to early, but the fault is clearly with the motorcycle going far too fast and making an illegal pass.
Plus you driving faster than allowed to may even create more shit than er person "driving like a dickhead".
User avatar #31 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It wasn't a little early. There's no way he had time to look in his rear view after turning on the signal, unless it was while turning. That signal did absolutely nothing. It didn't inform anyone of his actions. So unless you condone switching lanes without signalling at all, he's a fuckhead.
#32 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal passing is not a fuck head? And did you know you are supposed to look behind you before you turn on the signal?
It may well have been the case that he had looked behind him, seen nothing because the car in the outer lane had been driving at the speed limit, then he signals and pulls out in clearly lots of space. Then the motorcyclist does an illegal passing with far too much speed and causes an accident.
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
#21 - Erhm it is illegal to drive faster than the speed limit, no ma…  [+] (23 new replies) 18 hours ago on 10 points to Gryffindor 0
User avatar #22 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
I disagree
#23 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
So you disagreeing makes the law non important?
User avatar #24 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
I disagree with what you think the law is.
#25 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
Then you should really read the law again. Plus, if you pass a person that drives at the speed limit. Then you go and slow down in front of him, how would that help you? or are you just going to keep driving faster than the speed limit?.
User avatar #26 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It's not about that, it's about passing quickly and getting back into a coordinated position on the road.
#27 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
Why would you do that, if you all ready are driving at the speed limit and in a coordinated position on the road? why is there a need to pass someone who goes as fast as you are supposed to?
User avatar #50 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Dude, have you ever driven?
Clearly, you have not. There are always people going below the speed limit that need to be passed, passing in a two lane road is risky as hell and requires you to put the pedal to the metal (one time I passed and came within a few feet of a head-on collision with a semi because I did not accelerate quickly. I don't like accelerating because it feels like it will overwork my engine, but that nearly cost me my life), and the left lane of freeways is generally accepted as the "fast lane" because it's used so commonly to quickly pass vehicles such as semis, U-hauls, trucks with trailers, mobile homes, etc, and people go five or ten miles over the speed limit.
My rule of thumb is that as long as you don't go fifteen percent over the speed limit it's acceptable. The limit's based on the quality of the road and its direction: it's perfectly safe to go a bit faster on a freeway if you pay attention to your surroundings (which the drivers in the gif did not do) because they are generally straight and are built for high speeds, but in places like rural roads, parking lots, or roads that meander a lot it's not safe. The speed limit is not a concrete, irrefutable number. Just as the permissible mileage is determined by a general judgement of a road's potential hazards, you should use your own judgement to be able to discern the difference between acceptable instances of exceeding the limit and dangerous ones.
User avatar #57 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
It's still illegal to do so. Obviously, no one really follows that law very well, but it's still a law.

If you try to pass, and can't pass without speeding, -you- made the choice to make an unsafe pass. If you couldn't see the traffic or whatever, then it was an unsafe judgement, on your part.

Of course, if I go to pass and am about to crash into someone, I'm gonna speed up. But whether you crash or get a ticket in this situation, is your fault, by law.
User avatar #58 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I've already given an anecdotal example of why it's necessary to accelerate why speeding on a two lane road. On freeways, they have multiple lanes so that people can pass without a whole lot of risk. It is legal to exceed the limit if the person you're passing is going slower than the proscribed speed, and if it wasn't then that would mean a cop could go a mile under the speed limit and ticket anyone that passed them at all.
To go no faster than the speed limit while passing is more hazardous and irresponsible than to not.
User avatar #62 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
If the speed limit is 65 mph, and the cop is going 64, and you pass him going 65, then you aren't going over the speed limit. It's still the law, no matter the road that you're on.

If the person is going slower than the speed limit, then you don't need to exceed the speed limit to pass them.. So I'm really not seeing your point.
User avatar #64 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
You can't pass someone by driving a single mph faster than them. That would take ten damn minutes and would just be driving in a different lane. Here in Colorado the drivers on the freeway are always supposed to be in the right lane and the left lane is used solely for passing, which pretty much necessitates going faster than the guys in the right, often a few miles faster than the limit.
My point is that it is not unsafe to exceed the limit by a few miles per hour while passing another driver and is often necessary.
User avatar #67 - Bion (11 hours ago) [-]
The only state that I'm aware of that has an increased speed limit while passing, is Minnesota. Which has a 10 Mph leniency while passing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it's the only state with such a law.

But, here in NY, I know for sure that you can't exceed the speed limit, even by 1 mph, legally. I've gotten a ticket for it, first hand. 200 bucks for that shit.
User avatar #68 - dashgamer (11 hours ago) [-]
I cited a Washington law somewhere in this thread that permitted speeding while passing.
It's an extreme hazard to not speed while passing on a two lane road in any case.
User avatar #54 - mylazy (12 hours ago) [-]
The only time this is true is if there are no cops around. Even then it is still illegal...just doesn't really matter that it is because no one is gonna pull you over.
User avatar #55 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Most of the time the pace of traffic is about five miles over the speed limit on moderately busy freeways. I haven't seen anybody get pulled over for going more than five or ten unless it's in the city.
Anyway, to address the issue of passing, "(1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety"
#51 - tobyonekenoby (12 hours ago) [-]
Yes i have driven a car before. I got my driving license and have been driving for 1.5 years. and i was in an accident because a tard wanted to go 10 km/h faster than he was allowed to so when the light turned red he could not stop and he hit my car.
User avatar #52 - dashgamer (12 hours ago) [-]
Make a trip between states and tell me that to exceed the limit while passing someone is irresponsible. You know what matters? It's not the damned speed limit: 75 mph is just as lethal as 80 mph. It's situational awareness and precaution.
I was hit by a driver while I was riding my bike to work. I cycled through a lot through which forklifts and cargo trucks commonly traversed, was on the left side of the road (which is the correct side in Okinawa) taking a left turn, and a driver came speeding around the corner at thirty miles per hour on their right side of the road, my left side, just as I reached it. Did that happen because they were speeding? No. That happened because they were refusing to be aware of their surroundings in a heavily trafficked area, just as those two drivers in the content were, just as the person who hit you was. The limitation is in place to prevent irresponsibility and the rammifications of idiocy at high speeds, but to exceed the limit in many circumstances is not irresponsible.
If you think that driving at the dictated speed is safe just because it's dictated, and that exceeding it even a little bit is unsafe just because it's dictated not to, then you're extremely dumb.
#65 - tobyonekenoby (11 hours ago) [-]
Firstly i don't live in the states so I'm not going to drive through states.
Second, I don't think that speed=safety in traffic, but it is a part of safety. If someone drives fast, then your breaking length is longer, which means that even though you see whats coming, sometimes you just can't do anything about it. As you said, the speed limit is there to stop people from doing stupid shit, but if everyone think that the speed limit is just there to say "well you can go around 90 km/h its okay if you go 10km/h more" then when the dumb shit happens, its going to be much more violent.
And seriously this whole discusion started because another person thought that the biker was not driving like a tard. The illegal passing and the high speed
User avatar #28 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
If that person's driving like a dickhead, for instance. I'd rather be in front of a bad driver than behind one.
#30 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
This driver maybe did pull out a little to early, but the fault is clearly with the motorcycle going far too fast and making an illegal pass.
Plus you driving faster than allowed to may even create more shit than er person "driving like a dickhead".
User avatar #31 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
It wasn't a little early. There's no way he had time to look in his rear view after turning on the signal, unless it was while turning. That signal did absolutely nothing. It didn't inform anyone of his actions. So unless you condone switching lanes without signalling at all, he's a fuckhead.
#32 - tobyonekenoby (18 hours ago) [-]
And the motorcyclist that drives too fast and does an illegal passing is not a fuck head? And did you know you are supposed to look behind you before you turn on the signal?
It may well have been the case that he had looked behind him, seen nothing because the car in the outer lane had been driving at the speed limit, then he signals and pulls out in clearly lots of space. Then the motorcyclist does an illegal passing with far too much speed and causes an accident.
User avatar #35 - demandsgayversion (18 hours ago) [-]
You're supposed to look after you turn on the signal. Really, what do you think the purpose of the signal is, ceremony? If he'd looked behind him after turning on his signal, hell yeah he'd have seen the motorcycle.
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