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#157 - i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
#151 - true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big clust…  [+] (1 new reply) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
#150 - true that, but now hes continuing the series so after the naru…  [+] (6 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #153 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
I originally suspected he was going to do that, hadn't followed the updates close enough to know it was confirmed. I'm actually glad. I always thought Naruto had a lot of potential and was just held back by a few bad choices. So to see it get a continuation with fresh characters and the like. Yeah, I'm game for that.

Oh, also for anime movies...sorry to keep spamming recommends to you. Though Sword of The Stranger. If you like Samurai stuff you really owe it to yourself. Also it's like...2 hours? So, I'd say make time for it.
User avatar #193 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
dude its all good im down for anything, just i have so much time on my hand since all my buddies go to college elsewhere, and i go to community college so other than work, and the gym i got nothing to do, also yeah im pretty sure if the new series goes well he might stick with naruto or just make a new spin off on his son
User avatar #208 - malleusdeus (02/19/2015) [-]
Got time on your hands, huh? Well you've picked a good time to get into anime. lol Seriously I think you'll find your time well spent watching it. So, what ya studying?
User avatar #209 - thatonetyler (02/20/2015) [-]
business administration!
#210 - malleusdeus (02/20/2015) [-]
WONDERFUL! With your help FJ can conquer the business world, then nothing can stop us!

.....

Uhum....Rather, congrats, that's a great career choice with a lot of potential.
User avatar #211 - thatonetyler (02/22/2015) [-]
haha well i only went into since my family owns businesses and im hoping to run them when my dad decides to retire or move on to a different hobby
#144 - i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had …  [+] (3 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
#138 - also is fairy tale any good?  [+] (11 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
#220 - theaccelerator (02/27/2015) [-]
Fairytails 1 of my davorites b4 they ruined new season
#154 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sorry to interrupt, but I'm throwing my two cents in.

Fairy Tail starts pretty good, though I only read the manga, and has a good concept but ... It does get pretty 'meh' after awhile. One of those shows where they keep having speeches about friendship and power. How they can give up or this or this and then the bad guy is surprised and gets punched, then suddenly loses.

The latest manga chapters are also complete crap, but that's just my personal taste.

I'd say not to bother, personally, unless you don't mind the show turning really bad after awhile.
User avatar #221 - theaccelerator (02/27/2015) [-]
It goes 2 shit after the games b4 tht its good
#148 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
I've followed more of the Fairy Tail manga than the anime, though yeah I enjoy it. Personally, I'd say Bleach or Naruto is better. Though it's really good.

As for what you should watch next, I'd say check out Death Note. It's not very long, and is very good.

As for Naruto's ending. Well, to be honest I sort of lost hope for Kishimoto managing to bring a good ending to Naruto. I was very pleasantly surprised. I thought that was just about as strong and good an ending as Naruto could have possibly had under the circumstances.


User avatar #150 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true that, but now hes continuing the series so after the naruto movie: bortuo or whaterver it is called there with be 3 more season of naruto made
User avatar #153 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
I originally suspected he was going to do that, hadn't followed the updates close enough to know it was confirmed. I'm actually glad. I always thought Naruto had a lot of potential and was just held back by a few bad choices. So to see it get a continuation with fresh characters and the like. Yeah, I'm game for that.

Oh, also for anime movies...sorry to keep spamming recommends to you. Though Sword of The Stranger. If you like Samurai stuff you really owe it to yourself. Also it's like...2 hours? So, I'd say make time for it.
User avatar #193 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
dude its all good im down for anything, just i have so much time on my hand since all my buddies go to college elsewhere, and i go to community college so other than work, and the gym i got nothing to do, also yeah im pretty sure if the new series goes well he might stick with naruto or just make a new spin off on his son
User avatar #208 - malleusdeus (02/19/2015) [-]
Got time on your hands, huh? Well you've picked a good time to get into anime. lol Seriously I think you'll find your time well spent watching it. So, what ya studying?
User avatar #209 - thatonetyler (02/20/2015) [-]
business administration!
#210 - malleusdeus (02/20/2015) [-]
WONDERFUL! With your help FJ can conquer the business world, then nothing can stop us!

.....

Uhum....Rather, congrats, that's a great career choice with a lot of potential.
User avatar #211 - thatonetyler (02/22/2015) [-]
haha well i only went into since my family owns businesses and im hoping to run them when my dad decides to retire or move on to a different hobby
#135 - theres so many, this is hard for me me haha, but i think i mig… 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
#133 - WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because s…  [+] (26 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
#122 - how it ended  [+] (2 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #189 - Furubatsu (02/16/2015) [-]
it was interesting, some of the jobs/lives/couples at the end seemed really left-field but otherwise nothing to complain about
User avatar #191 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
well the new movie is going to show how it all happened so im excited for june
#121 - i see, yeah i just skipped the fillers. did you like how the s…  [+] (3 new replies) 02/16/2015 on Anime Facts Compilation Part 6 0
User avatar #122 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
how it ended
User avatar #189 - Furubatsu (02/16/2015) [-]
it was interesting, some of the jobs/lives/couples at the end seemed really left-field but otherwise nothing to complain about
User avatar #191 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
well the new movie is going to show how it all happened so im excited for june
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User avatar #132 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I disliked the fact Naruto & Hinata got together and REALLYdislike the fact Sasuke & Sakura ended up together
User avatar #133 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because sakura only put naruto down and hinata only wanted the best for naruto and even save his life against pain, so in my book im glad it was those two!
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
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User avatar #117 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I didn't particularly like the ending but ah well and same x 3
User avatar #120 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
what about the ending did you not like? Im just glad naruto and hinata got together in the show and that lee is still alive haha
User avatar #132 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I disliked the fact Naruto & Hinata got together and REALLYdislike the fact Sasuke & Sakura ended up together
User avatar #133 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because sakura only put naruto down and hinata only wanted the best for naruto and even save his life against pain, so in my book im glad it was those two!
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
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User avatar #114 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
no problem, yeah I have, the fillers are frustrating, Naruto fillers weren't too bad because they were fairly funny and fitted the story but naruto shippuden fillers are just so bad and out of place.
User avatar #115 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
agreed, but im glad how naruto ends, im also happy theyre doing a movie to show what happens after the war, and also im glad that theyre doing another movie about narutos son, and another 1-3 seasons of naruto too
User avatar #117 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I didn't particularly like the ending but ah well and same x 3
User avatar #120 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
what about the ending did you not like? Im just glad naruto and hinata got together in the show and that lee is still alive haha
User avatar #132 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I disliked the fact Naruto & Hinata got together and REALLYdislike the fact Sasuke & Sakura ended up together
User avatar #133 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because sakura only put naruto down and hinata only wanted the best for naruto and even save his life against pain, so in my book im glad it was those two!
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
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User avatar #110 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Bleach is really good but it has alot of filler, if you want to watch without the filler then use bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Episodes it tells you which episodes are normal, filler, omake etc
User avatar #111 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
thanks man, i take it you watched naruto, when i got to shippuden i was getting upset because there were so many damn fillers and im still upset since there is like 20 episodes left so ill have to wait till juneish until theyre done with the anime then i can watch the last movie
User avatar #114 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
no problem, yeah I have, the fillers are frustrating, Naruto fillers weren't too bad because they were fairly funny and fitted the story but naruto shippuden fillers are just so bad and out of place.
User avatar #115 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
agreed, but im glad how naruto ends, im also happy theyre doing a movie to show what happens after the war, and also im glad that theyre doing another movie about narutos son, and another 1-3 seasons of naruto too
User avatar #117 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I didn't particularly like the ending but ah well and same x 3
User avatar #120 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
what about the ending did you not like? Im just glad naruto and hinata got together in the show and that lee is still alive haha
User avatar #132 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I disliked the fact Naruto & Hinata got together and REALLYdislike the fact Sasuke & Sakura ended up together
User avatar #133 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because sakura only put naruto down and hinata only wanted the best for naruto and even save his life against pain, so in my book im glad it was those two!
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
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User avatar #119 - Furubatsu (02/16/2015) [-]
Manga, anime's have way too many filler/fan-service arcs for my personal liking
User avatar #121 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see, yeah i just skipped the fillers. did you like how the show ended?
User avatar #122 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
how it ended
User avatar #189 - Furubatsu (02/16/2015) [-]
it was interesting, some of the jobs/lives/couples at the end seemed really left-field but otherwise nothing to complain about
User avatar #191 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
well the new movie is going to show how it all happened so im excited for june
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#219 - theaccelerator (02/27/2015) [-]
Deathnotes good i know many animes but i dont know what you looking for
User avatar #156 - shogg (02/16/2015) [-]
Okami San and her Seven Companions.
My Little Monster.
They are on Netflix and they are good, you should watch them.
Also chaos;Head andSteins;Gate but I think you should play the VN before watching the anime.
#124 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
Yeah, I'd say Death Note is worth looking into. Especially if you like detective stories or more surreal supernatural stories.

As for recommendations:

There's a lot that I would recommend, though to give you a starting point..

If you like Naruto then you should probably check out....

Bleach.
One Piece.
Fullmetal Alchemist/Fullmeta Alchemist: Brotherhood.
Trigun

If you like Attack on Titan then try...
Claymore.
Hellsing Ultimate.
Afro Samurai.

Unrelated but very noteworthy recommendations..

Ghost in The Shell: Stand Alone Complex.
Samurai Champloo.
Rurouni Kenshin.
Ergo Proxy.

Hope that helps, and glad to see someone else getting into anime, it's a great art form!
User avatar #138 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
also is fairy tale any good?
#220 - theaccelerator (02/27/2015) [-]
Fairytails 1 of my davorites b4 they ruined new season
#154 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sorry to interrupt, but I'm throwing my two cents in.

Fairy Tail starts pretty good, though I only read the manga, and has a good concept but ... It does get pretty 'meh' after awhile. One of those shows where they keep having speeches about friendship and power. How they can give up or this or this and then the bad guy is surprised and gets punched, then suddenly loses.

The latest manga chapters are also complete crap, but that's just my personal taste.

I'd say not to bother, personally, unless you don't mind the show turning really bad after awhile.
User avatar #221 - theaccelerator (02/27/2015) [-]
It goes 2 shit after the games b4 tht its good
#148 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
I've followed more of the Fairy Tail manga than the anime, though yeah I enjoy it. Personally, I'd say Bleach or Naruto is better. Though it's really good.

As for what you should watch next, I'd say check out Death Note. It's not very long, and is very good.

As for Naruto's ending. Well, to be honest I sort of lost hope for Kishimoto managing to bring a good ending to Naruto. I was very pleasantly surprised. I thought that was just about as strong and good an ending as Naruto could have possibly had under the circumstances.


User avatar #150 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true that, but now hes continuing the series so after the naruto movie: bortuo or whaterver it is called there with be 3 more season of naruto made
User avatar #153 - malleusdeus (02/16/2015) [-]
I originally suspected he was going to do that, hadn't followed the updates close enough to know it was confirmed. I'm actually glad. I always thought Naruto had a lot of potential and was just held back by a few bad choices. So to see it get a continuation with fresh characters and the like. Yeah, I'm game for that.

Oh, also for anime movies...sorry to keep spamming recommends to you. Though Sword of The Stranger. If you like Samurai stuff you really owe it to yourself. Also it's like...2 hours? So, I'd say make time for it.
User avatar #193 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
dude its all good im down for anything, just i have so much time on my hand since all my buddies go to college elsewhere, and i go to community college so other than work, and the gym i got nothing to do, also yeah im pretty sure if the new series goes well he might stick with naruto or just make a new spin off on his son
User avatar #208 - malleusdeus (02/19/2015) [-]
Got time on your hands, huh? Well you've picked a good time to get into anime. lol Seriously I think you'll find your time well spent watching it. So, what ya studying?
User avatar #209 - thatonetyler (02/20/2015) [-]
business administration!
#210 - malleusdeus (02/20/2015) [-]
WONDERFUL! With your help FJ can conquer the business world, then nothing can stop us!

.....

Uhum....Rather, congrats, that's a great career choice with a lot of potential.
User avatar #211 - thatonetyler (02/22/2015) [-]
haha well i only went into since my family owns businesses and im hoping to run them when my dad decides to retire or move on to a different hobby
User avatar #135 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
theres so many, this is hard for me me haha, but i think i might start with either death note or one piece, maybe even hellsing ultimate. also did you like naruto my friend, and are you happy with the ending
#108 - kwizzer (02/16/2015) [-]
Death Note is considered a real classic.

You could also go for Code Geass and Zetsuen no Tempest.

Love all 3 of them.
User avatar #212 - thatonetyler (02/26/2015) [-]
i hate you so much! Codea Geass was absolutely amazing, but that ending got me, i was so happy with the ending but so upset!!!
#215 - kwizzer (02/26/2015) [-]
Love you too, mate <3
'N thanks for the feedback ^-^

You might want to go for Zetsuen no Tempest afterwards (it's not quite like the other 2, but still goes deeper than your everyday shonen anime).

Honestly, what you'll hate me for more is that you'll start craving that kind of quality stuff 'n it's reeeeeeeeeally hard to find any on the same level with somewhat similar genres. (At least that's what I think)

I think I've watched CG around 4-6 times - love it. I like it way more than DN even though I dislike mecha (but in CG they only use it as a tool 'n not as the main theme as in NGE etc.)
I mean... the CG ending is like... WOW. YOU SERIOUS?! (I hope you watched both seasons, otherwise you're really missing out on stuff there!)

'N what do you think about the much-discussed demise of Lulu? :>
People keep on arguing whether or not he really died

You got any titles you'd like to share? :>
User avatar #217 - thatonetyler (02/26/2015) [-]
i did watch both seasons, and this might sound cheesy but im into anime that not only has a slight love story but action and all that good stuff, which is why i loved kings crown since it had all the action i needed, it reminded me of CG, and the soundtrack was amazing, and there was a good bond between the two characters, BUT the ending was shit and i am so furious because of it.
User avatar #216 - thatonetyler (02/26/2015) [-]
i just finished kings crown like 5 minutes ago, that wasnt bad at all!
#218 - kwizzer (02/26/2015) [-]
King's Crown? Guess you mean Guilty Crown ^^

Well, I liked the concept of awakening different powers in people 'n finding numerous uses for them. But. . . meh, I liked the art rather well and the idea wasn't bad either... but it just felt somewhat bland at some point. Not too sure anymore why, might be 'cause I felt like they reused elements too often or 'cause the ending was just so bad.

I finished Madoka today (started the day before yesterday) - it's way better than I expected. They have a lot of psychological elements in it 'n it's not the innocent happy-go-lucky setting I expected from the title.
But dude, the major "plot twist" became so obvious already early on
SPOILER
with that li'l white demon
SPOILER
User avatar #223 - thatonetyler (02/28/2015) [-]
also i recommend watching Angel Beats, its a short anime but extremely good!__
User avatar #222 - thatonetyler (02/28/2015) [-]
my bad i meant guilty crown, and now i just finished future diary, and it was amazing!!! the ending sucked, but the OVA fixed all of the problems and made the story end happily which was PERFECT!!
User avatar #118 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
It's not very often I see people who've watched Blast of Tempest and even rarer I see people who liked it which is a shame
#168 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I've watched Blast of Tempest. It was a little weird, but not bad. Definitely weird though. Maybe a little too obvious with a certain plot twist.
User avatar #172 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree it was weird but it was entertaining to me at least compared to some of the anime I'd watched. It was one of the first anime I watched, I watched it after death note so I though it was kind of shit but now I've watched a ton of anime I look back on it and think that it was actually pretty good for what it was.

I must be a little dense because I didn't see it coming at first haha, like I said I was new to anime at the time.
#180 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Yeah, that's understandable. It defintiely had a weird crappy feeling to it, despite it being good. And don't beat yourself up about it, I'm kind of overly critical about details.

Like... in Blast of Tempest the whole thing about the girl the guy was "secretly" dating had a lot of heavy hints of her being the other mage, or whatever it was. I think the biggest thing was how she was sitting on a chair, dead, and how the blood was spiraling everywhere in the picture.

That was just a huge 'There's no way someone else did this' kind of feeling. That's the only reason I felt it was too obvious. Should have been much more brutal, like her with a knife in her chest in a corner, if it was an actual robbery.
User avatar #182 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I was around 13 when I watched it, I didn't care for details at that point :p

I didn't guess she was the other mage, I presumed she was just random plot material and wouldn't resurface later in the anime, how wrong I was haha. I presumed the image of her death was just to fit with the theme/setting of the show being all magical, the anime wasn't brutal so I thought it was just pictured that way instead of it being a more mechanical murder.
User avatar #173 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for making another comparison, I can probably assume you are still well.
User avatar #174 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Thank you for your comparison, I hope you are also doing well.. still
User avatar #175 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks but I didn't make a comparison
#126 - kwizzer (02/16/2015) [-]
I've got it up there with Death Note, Code Geass and Clannad - Afterstory as one of my favorites. It made me read Hamlet 'n The Tempest.

I mean... it has a level of complexity comparable to Death Note's in its paradoxes, psychological aspects, plot twists, along with rather well-explained phenomena of magic (instead of just "boom, look, it's magic"), additionally to actual sense and a feel for the complexity of the issues the characters face. Most of the main characters seem to have some kind of influence on the story (instead of the plain vanilla protagonist 'n enemy paradigm) and the pacing is really neat imo.
And hell, they follow 2 of Shakespeare's plays and you're constantly reminded of the fact that there's 2 possible endings related to them.

If you've got some similar titles, I'm all ears. (I'm really into psychological themes, magic/supernatural are a plus and I definitely love it if it requires a bit of thought to solve/understand the issues - I dislike absolute mindfucks like FLCL though, Kyousougiga's fine though).
User avatar #136 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I completely agree, it's definitely underrated. As for recommendations, I've watched alot of anime but never come across anything that similar to Zetsuen. In terms of plot Guilty Crown is similar.
For psychological anime recommendations:
>Paranoia Agent
>Stein's Gate
>Monster
>Evangelion ofcourse
>Wolf's Rain
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Although I haven't watched it yet)
>Serial Experiments Lain
>Ergo Proxy
>Higurashi (Good for problem solving)
Although not psychological I'd recommend Hyouka, its more slice of life but the whole anime is based on problem solving, its pretty good.
#140 - kwizzer (02/16/2015) [-]
I really enjoyed Hyouka - a lot of deduction, but kept in a more interesting way thank Detective Conan, somewhat reminds me of Nanana.
Stein's Gate seemed a bit too slow-paced at the start of it, but went on to be rather good - liked the time paradoxes.
I didn't quite catch onto Evangelion, I've got to admit, guess that's 'cause I'm not into mecha unless it's just used as a simple tool.
Ergo Proxy was fun, I remember liking the art, but something bothered which made me not remember it as "really good", but I can't put my finger on it right now.
Higurashi's kewl, but the repetition kind of killed it for me (I loved it being the only non-hentai anime I know which had some rather extreme torture).
Thought of watching Puelle Magi Madoka Magica - been told a few times it's psychological while I expected it to be a shoujo magic girl kind of anime.
Monster. . . I think I've watched it, but the title just might remind me of "Berserk(er)".
I'll check out Paranoia Agent, Wolf's Rain 'n Serial Experiments Lain, though.

Thanks~
User avatar #142 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree with your opinion of evangelion, I don't like mecha anime unless it's toned down, I think Code Geass is the maximum amount of mecha I can take haha
I've been told only the surface of PMMM is magical girl stuff but idk, I didn't want to watch it at first because I also thought it was just moe magic crap but it's peaked my interest
Monster is pretty similar to berserk.
Paranoia Agent made me feel uncomfortable when watching it and I can't say why, might just be me though :p

You're welcome c:
User avatar #107 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Death Note is probably one of the best anime I've seen:
+Amazing atmosphere
+Very well developed characters (especially the main characters)
+Music is well composed
+Art is stellar
-Some of the characters aren't as well developed as others which unfortunately will probably lead you to dislike them
-Towards the end of the anime it loses alot of its good points, the end was disappointing (just my opinion although I've seen many who share my opinion)
Overall it's pretty god damn good, if you like anime it's a must watch

Recommendations (Sorry if you've already watched them):
Similar to Attack on Titan:
>Tokyo Ghoul
>Parasyte
>Deadman Wonderland (Not as good as the other 2 but it's decent)
Similar to Naruto:
>Bleach
>One Piece
>Soul Eater
>Gintama (A lot less serious but it's hilarious - the humor is an acquired taste though and it's a slow starter)
>Reborn (It's a slow starter but gets really good around ep25)
Anime I think is pretty awesome:
>Code Geass
>Fullmetal Alchemist
>Barakamon (pretty funny and light hearted)
>Clannad/Clannad After Story and any other "Visual Key" anime (if you don't mind your heart getting broken)
>Highschool of the Dead (if you don't mind tits and zombies)
>Kuroko's Basketball
>Daily Lives of High School boys (I've never laughed more at an anime)
User avatar #213 - thatonetyler (02/26/2015) [-]
i hate you so much! Codea Geass was absolutely amazing, but that ending got me, i was so happy with the ending but so upset!!!
User avatar #214 - ichigoichie (02/26/2015) [-]
Haha it really is one of the best! The only two anime that have compared for me is death note or fullmetal alchemist: brotherhood, both are brilliant so go with either!
User avatar #109 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i might go with death note next, i have heard so many good things about it, and then the tits and zombies one haha, bleach too
User avatar #110 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Bleach is really good but it has alot of filler, if you want to watch without the filler then use bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Episodes it tells you which episodes are normal, filler, omake etc
User avatar #111 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
thanks man, i take it you watched naruto, when i got to shippuden i was getting upset because there were so many damn fillers and im still upset since there is like 20 episodes left so ill have to wait till juneish until theyre done with the anime then i can watch the last movie
User avatar #114 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
no problem, yeah I have, the fillers are frustrating, Naruto fillers weren't too bad because they were fairly funny and fitted the story but naruto shippuden fillers are just so bad and out of place.
User avatar #115 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
agreed, but im glad how naruto ends, im also happy theyre doing a movie to show what happens after the war, and also im glad that theyre doing another movie about narutos son, and another 1-3 seasons of naruto too
User avatar #117 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I didn't particularly like the ending but ah well and same x 3
User avatar #120 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
what about the ending did you not like? Im just glad naruto and hinata got together in the show and that lee is still alive haha
User avatar #132 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I disliked the fact Naruto & Hinata got together and REALLYdislike the fact Sasuke & Sakura ended up together
User avatar #133 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
WHYY!!!?? i wanted naruto and hinata to get together because sakura only put naruto down and hinata only wanted the best for naruto and even save his life against pain, so in my book im glad it was those two!
User avatar #139 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I really don't like Hinata as a character, she had so much potential but she ended up being there just for Naruto, the only time she was ever shown was for Naruto's purpose, she's soulless and without personality. Sakura, although I don't particularly like her, actually has a character, she's strong and has a life outside of supporting Naruto. I don't see how Naruto, after loving Sakura since he was around the age of 8 (8/9 years) could suddenly fall in love with Hinata who he barely noticed.
#152 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura mentioned. Swell with uselessness.

I don't really understand what you mean by Sakura having character or being strong. She didn't really do anything but whine and complain for 90% of the first half of the show. She was just there to be there, just like you're accusing Hinata of. Her 'life' was just Sasuke this, Sasuke that, up until the middle of the Chuunin exam where she actually did something.

But that fell off, along with many other plot devices, and she became useless again. Up until the fight with Sasori where she acted as someone's puppet rather than actually showing she got strong herself. Only thing she does is break a few puppets and rocks for the rest of Shippuden. Only 'good' thing she did was try to kill Sasuke, but she failed that too and it was dumb of her to try and do that alone anyways.

Anywho, I'd blame Kishi's writing style after the Shippuden started for how you feel about Hinata being a "souless" character. Most of the side characters were kind of pushed to the side after that. It was all about Naruto, Sasuke, and the super powerful characters. The rest were just kind of fodder and only appeared to do anything when they needed to.

Another thing you mentioned is how Naruto 'loved' Sakura, but he didn't. Just wanted attention from her and found her attractive, for some reason, when he was 12. She was super abusive, but he was needy for a friend at that point. Her staying as his 'target of affection' was just Kishi not knowing what to do with that.

Plus, it's not like Hinata / Naruto didn't have that whole thing where he stuck up for her against Neji and basically only won against the guy because of how much he wanted to prove to Neji that he, and Hinata by proxy, could beat a 'genius.' The plot device was dropped after that, as said before, but it did happen.

Plus Hinata appeared with Naruto twice in Shippuden and supported him when he really needed it. Considering his character, it seems fine to me that it stuck to him more than Sakura punching him on the head.

Anywho... I'd say just blame Kishi.
User avatar #164 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Like I said before, I don't actually like Sakura but I prefer her to Hinata.

When I say character I mean she existed outside of Naruto and Sasuke after the first part of the anime, she became a singular character in shippuden.

She was definitely useless for the majority of the anime although towards the end and in the shinobi war I can't disagree she wasn't useful, she is only second to Tsunade as a medic ninja and is one of the only strong female ninja (For some reason Kishi doesn't create many strong female shinobi).

I do believe Naruto genuinely loved Sakura but to begin with only "loved her" because she liked Sasuke and like you said found her attractive and wanted her attention. I said from the age of 8 because they were all friends at that point, he started liking Sakura around the same time she liked Sasuke which is shown in an episode when they were both quite young. It could be just as easily said Naruto didn't love Hinata as shown in the The Last, Sakura is shown pushing the pair together saying to Naruto things like "You never really loved me, you just liked me because Sasuke liked me", at one point Hinata even questions why Sakura is helping her so much when she had no such reason. However I do believe towards the end of the movie, Naruto genuinely loved Hinata, I just think the transition was poorly written.

I do believe Hinata & Naruto have had their moments like you said but he also stuck up for Sakura against Ino during the chunnin exams which is the only reason Sakura beat Ino, because of Naruto's support from the side lines.

Sakura tried to save Naruto at times like when he started transforming into the 9 tails and managed a few tailed cloak, Sakura ran to stop him but yet again she was useless and just got hurt.

Hinata was much more effective and better at supporting Naruto, I can't deny that.

Lastly, I believe Sakura fitted the mould for Naruto's gf/wife better, she has many characteristics similar to Kushina, Minato even stated Sakura reminded him of Kushina.

Kishi's writing really went down hill, the only reason I believe all that above is down to the way he put things across but after all it's his manga and what he says goes.
#165 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I prefer useful characters, even if they don't show up too often. <(' '<)

She was the only 'singular' character because she was in their team. If it was anyone else, they would have got the same thing. That's practically the reason she got to be Tsunade's apprentice over Hinata or Tenten who had more potential with it. She knew Naruto, and that's all that mattered.

That was just his thing, he forgot about all of the side characters he made, especially the female ones. Like Anko and Tenten.

They weren't friends, you know? Sakura hated the kid because of her parents and because of her obsession with Sasuke. They were never really "Friends" up until the Wave Arc. Sakura just found Naruto really annoying up until then. I haven't seen the movie, but honestly I'd take what that says with a grain of salt in regards to how Naruto and Sakura were back then. Kishi has forgotten his roots.

Sakura beating Ino with Naurto's support is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it was an aspect, but that 'Inner Sakura' thing, which was randomly dropped as well, is the real reason she won. And he didn't go punch Ino in the face for tying with Sakura, either.

You mean when he went 4 tails? I don't really know if that counts as anything. <(' '<) She did just get smacked around. Could have tried to grab him with a tree or something... I dunno.

I think Sakura would have been great support if she could learn how to do something other than smack him in the back of the head.

I completely disagree. Naruto needed someone to offset his loudness, not match him. Someone who could help him settle down and think instead of rushing off ahead. If Sakura was going to be his wife, they'd just yell a lot and Sakura would end up punching Naruto. Abusive relationships aren't good, no matter how much anime tries to play it off.

And Kushina was an awful character anyways, way too angry and abusive just like Sakura. That character lost a lot of points for me when I found out she practically tortured Kyuubi with the chains that made up her seal. Demon or not, that's not cool, especially when the fox had already been tortured by Madara/Hashirama/Mito.

I do agree his writing went down hill and I think it's because he just kind of forgot what he was trying to make at first. It was about 'Ninja' at first, but then it was about the Sage and demons. Originally, the Ichibi and Kyuubi had no connection to each other, besides both being demons sealed inside children.

That's why the Ichibi is so different from the rest, since he was made before the idea of them being connected was put into play. Kyuubi is just based off a Kitsune. There was a lot of wasted potential, more or less.
User avatar #169 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I sometimes do haha c:

That's true. Also Sakura took the easy option by becoming the apprentice of the only available sannin after Naruto had took off with Jiraiya and Sasuke with Orochimaru. Just because she was on Team 7 she was given that oppurtunity although I can't fault her chakra control with that being necessary to work under tsunade.

I didn't particularly care for Anko but I was sad Tenten was forgotten about, it's cruel that it's a fact she gets less screentime than Tonton and for her not to get the oppurtunity to become Tsunade's apprentice was even crueler.

I probably worded that wrong, I meant the konoha 12 were friends, Shikamaru, Choji and Kiba were friends with Naruto, since Ino was always with Shikamaru and Choji, Sakura was always with them and so forth. I agree with the rest.

It was stated as a fact by Kishi that Ino would've won had Naruto not interfered but yes it's stupid but that's Kishi for you.

Yeah that's what I was refering to, I'd still say it counted, like I said, she was useless when she did it but it affected Naruto alot after he realised he hurt her.

I guess that's true but Minato's and Kushina's relationship was similar, the amount of time's she punched Minato or got all Red Habanero on him. Whenever Naruto is with Sakura he shrinks back a bit just like Minato did with Kushina. I'm not saying its a good relationship or a good thing, I'm just comparing the relationships.

I completely agree with the last two paragraphs haha
#176 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Sakura's chakra control was only good because she had very little chakra to work with. I've said it on other posts, but it's not very impressive to be able to control a bottle of water compared to controlling a lake like the rest of the group. Or an ocean, in Naruto's case, though Kyuubi did most of that I think.

Anko's plot device of being Orochimaru's apprentice was something I wanted to have appear to help Sasuke "work through the darkness" so to speak. Being the only one who can resist the seal, despite its power, felt important... But it went no where. Plus she could have trained Sakura in poison arts or something, you know? Poor Tenten got the worst of it though, especially with how they kept teasing us. Like her getting those Sage Weapons and just... doing nothing with them.

I don't think they were really "Friends", you know? They got in trouble a lot, but Naruto never hung out with them outside of school. They just happened to be together because none of them could put up the effort in school, so Iruka scolded them together. Ino and Sakura weren't really part of that anyways. Ino only knew Chouji and Shikamaru personally because she was 'forced' into family dinners, since their fathers were teammates in the past.

I still feel like the Inner sakura thing would have been the reason she didn't win, but like I said, it was an aspect of Naruto supporting her that made Inner Sakura pop out. I think him saying that was just an excuse so he didn't have to worry about people questioning him about the 'inner.'

I get that she tried to help, but... I dunno. Doesn't really +1 her for me.

Minato and Naruto are different, though. Minato was... not as loud as Naruto, he needed someone to push him forward I think. He was just a quiet and rather casual genius of space-time seals... Though to be honest the whole idea of him just casually knowing the perfect way to seal the Kyuubi perfectly was always sketchy to me. But anyways, I think that suited him because he needed to be pushed. Naruto needs to be held back.

Kushi is still a bad character though, in my books.

But yeah, I mean... Sakura had great potential and I think all the characters, specially poor Tenten, had just been shoved to the side for 'bigger' characters. It's a shame, but what can you do?
User avatar #181 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
Great comparison, was about to say that Naruto has poor chakra control then I saw you wrote about Kyuubi haha

I think Kishi wrote off anko for helping Sasuke because he wanted him to become as dark as possible but who knows, he probably just forgot about her. Kin and Gin's weapons took alot out of Tenten but I think with time she would've been able to manage to use them efficiently, it's a shame she wasn't shown to develop or anything.

Shikaku was actually the only parent to tell Shikamaru that if he wanted to be friends with Naruto then he could, he never told Shikamaru to stay away from Naruto so they actually became friends. I'd still say InoShikaCho were friends obviously Shikamaru and Choji were closer but Ino still played and trained with them.

True.

I agree I'd still argue MinaKushi being closer to NaruSaku than NaruHina but arguably Hinata is closer to Minato whilst Naruto is so similar to his mother.

I actually love Kushina's character, she's one of the only kunoichi I actually like haha.

I agree she was wasted potential. It's quite a big issue with large shounen anime, too many side characters get created and just get dismissed after they've been used, that's why I love about Eiichiro Oda's writing, he manages to create such a large cast and still manages to reincorporate the majority of his side characters back into the main story.
#183 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't have much to add on about most of what you said, but...

I personally loved Tayuya's character and Kushina + Sakura are my least favorite. And Shikamaru was too lazy to really be Naruto's friend, I think.

But the big thing about Oda compared to Kishi is that Oda wrote down most of One Piece's plot, from what I've been told Kishi just kind of made it up on the spot, like with the Ichibi and Kyuubi thing I mentioned just being completely made up after the two characters were created rather than before hand.

It's weird, but Naruto's idea may have been better off in the hands of some other writer after Kishi laid down the starting ground.
User avatar #196 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
i see! haha sorry, the first person to really acknowledge him was hinata and that is why i liked her from the start of the show, because no matter what her parents said or her other classmates she still wanted to be like him and help him, so in my opinion she rocks and im glad that it was her and naruto who ended up getting married, especially because she acts a lot like minato and he was one of my favorite characters.
User avatar #194 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
nooo, shikamaru stated that he'd follow naruto anywhere and in the war he said that he couldnt die since he would help naruto become hokage and help him do his work and what not
#195 - bluemagebrilly (02/17/2015) [-]
No, no, I meant back when they were kids. Not later on.
User avatar #187 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
There were barely any strong female characters to me, even Tsunade a kunoichi at hokage level is still considerably weaker than the other hokage and other male characters.

I like Konan but I think her potential was slightly wasted, still a good character though. I really liked Kushina, she toned down quite a lot as she got older which was nice to see too, she really fitted Minato. The only other kunoichi I can say I liked was Tenten and Ino because of how hard she worked, I remember reading a fact on her that she worked hardest out of any female, it changed my opinion of her.

I think pre-plotting is the best way to go about writing manga, Oda manages to slowly puzzle all aspects of the manga, you go through one arc or hear one thing and think what's that got to do with anything then about 300 episodes later you realise it fits in with something else. Despite being so long I don't think I'll ever get bored of One Piece due to Oda's writing. Kishi seemed to be writing Naruto half assed and created so many plot holes, I agree it may've been better off.

In regards to what you said about Minato sealing the Kyuubi before, it was said after he got with Kushina he visited the Uzumaki's and learned many fuinjutsu considering they were the best at fuinjutsu apparently, which "explains" how he's so good at sealing jutsu.
#188 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
Tayuya was strong, just had a bad match up in the forest against Temari. She almost beat Shikamaru, after all. Sort of in the same boat with Tenten, to be honest. Temari got matched up against them and was such a poor match up that it knocked them out of the plot.

Konan was pretty wasted, she didn't really do anything up until Nagato died. Which was a shame since they never really addressed the fact that she could turn into paper. I didn't like Kushina at all though, she was just another default angry female character to me.

Yeah, Oda even has plans that we're not aware of going on and they're likely to show up and completely destroy what we thought was real. I'm fully expecting Luffy to actually lose a fight hard soon, probably after Dofla is dealt with.

I think it was said Minato knew how to move really really fast before he got involved with Kushina though. I could be wrong about that, but the 'Thunder God' technique was a sealing Jutsu mixed with space-time Ninjutsu or something like that.

I get that he could know seals like the 'Death Demon Seal' or whatever, but it just felt way too perfect he had the best seal at hand. It also felt weird that he'd split the power of the Kyuubi, which is crap in my opinion and makes more plot holes, but... It just felt too perfect. Too planned, I guess. Plus he could have just sealed the Kyuubi back in his wife, but he refused.

Meh, I dunno. <(' '<)
User avatar #184 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks for using another comparison.

I get loads of mentions from you.
User avatar #186 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
>>#185

It's ok, I like it
#185 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
I don't.. I even like... tried to not.

I tried to not.

It just... It just happens. ;-;
User avatar #177 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Thanks a lot for using a comparison, hope you have a good day.
#178 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
... One day you will be compared to someone who does not compare things!

And then you will explode!
User avatar #179 - compared (02/16/2015) [-]
Impossible!
User avatar #157 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i like the way you think!! sakura was a good character and all but i liked hinata more because she was there for naruto more than anyone else was, especially against pain, without her everyone would have probably died, and when you reach the 4th shinobi war thats where you can see that people know hinata loves naruto, because neji tells naruto that her life is in his hands meaning that she loves him so much shed do anything for him, so they kind of developed the love story but they should have done a little more with it
#160 - bluemagebrilly (02/16/2015) [-]
They definitely should have done more, I agree. But it's silly to say they didn't have anything, you know?

Naruto is just like... the icon of "wasted potential." Thankfully the show has fans for that, but it still would have been nice to see the show in the hands of someone like... like Oda, who planned everything in One Piece ahead of time rather than making it up on the spot.
User avatar #192 - thatonetyler (02/17/2015) [-]
true that i actually just started watching fairy tale, one piece and death note
User avatar #144 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
i see yeah they should have developed it a tad more, like had more episodes with hinata and naruto to make it seem more real, but i guess thats what theyre doing in the new movie theyre showing what actually happened and its not like naruto falls straight into love, from my understanding the movie goes over a 2 year course or something like that and shows hinata and him grow together more and more
User avatar #145 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
I agree and yeah thats true, I can see how Naruto fell in love but it just seems a little far fetched, I don't mind NaruHina but I just think Sakura would've fit better.
User avatar #151 - thatonetyler (02/16/2015) [-]
true then you got to think about sasuke its just one big cluster fuck, the guy who created it should have added a few filler episodes with a more romantic touch to them so you can see why the characters did what they did and fell for whoever they are with
User avatar #155 - ichigoichie (02/16/2015) [-]
That's why I hate SasuSaku more than NaruHina because:
>Sasuke was portrayed as emotionless and incapable of compassion or love throughout 90% of the anime
>He's tried to kill Sakura many times so why would he suddenly fall in love with her?
>In addition to trying to kill her, abandoning her many times and treating her like shit, how could Sakura still love him?
>In parts of the manga she was actually shown almost falling for Naruto, if her love for Sasuke wavered then did she truly love him?
>Sasuke had no interest in love shown with both Sakura and Karin, what changed?

It honestly makes no sense and it's completely understandable the majority of the fans would be mad
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User avatar #56 - zaywoot (02/03/2015) [-]
It was with my at the time fuckbuddy... we never used condoms because I couldnt feel anything with them on... That was actually the only time she made me cum deathgrip syndrom it was also the night I found out that she wasnt on the pill...
The fun part was I was doing basic training in the army at the time Im from Denmark, our basic probably works differently I was at home for the weekend, had brought my uniform and decided to wear it to her place... I was driving my moped in uniform in the middle of the night... must have looked hilarious.
Anyhow, she still lived at her parents at the time, I would usually arrive after her parents had gone to bed and gone home before they woke up. We got nasty, I accidentally inside her, we slept and in the morning as I was on my way out she decided she wanted seconds...
So we're bumping uglies, her parents get up and Im waiting for an opportunity to bail, I get in my gear and we're on our way to the front door.
Right as I reach for the door it opens, her dad enters and literally goes "Good morning soldier, so you're the one who's been lurking around the other nights."
Followed by the most awkward handshake of my life... He even offered me coffee, but I had to get home and get a shower before my grandparents came to visit...
User avatar #99 - thatonetyler (02/05/2015) [-]
thats great!!
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User avatar #52 - zaywoot (02/03/2015) [-]
What really makes it worse was about 2 years ago I accidentally came inside a chick... I thought my life was over, and it would even have been the same way my parents got me
User avatar #53 - thatonetyler (02/03/2015) [-]
i laughed im sorry, when i saw accidentally came i lost it, but dude all you got to do is make sure shes on the pill or pull out, or both condoms are gay but they work , somehow i dont have a kid, me and my ex would go at it day in and day out for 4 months until we broke up and we didnt have a kid nor did the other 8 girls ive been with, or atleast i hope they didnt haha
User avatar #56 - zaywoot (02/03/2015) [-]
It was with my at the time fuckbuddy... we never used condoms because I couldnt feel anything with them on... That was actually the only time she made me cum deathgrip syndrom it was also the night I found out that she wasnt on the pill...
The fun part was I was doing basic training in the army at the time Im from Denmark, our basic probably works differently I was at home for the weekend, had brought my uniform and decided to wear it to her place... I was driving my moped in uniform in the middle of the night... must have looked hilarious.
Anyhow, she still lived at her parents at the time, I would usually arrive after her parents had gone to bed and gone home before they woke up. We got nasty, I accidentally inside her, we slept and in the morning as I was on my way out she decided she wanted seconds...
So we're bumping uglies, her parents get up and Im waiting for an opportunity to bail, I get in my gear and we're on our way to the front door.
Right as I reach for the door it opens, her dad enters and literally goes "Good morning soldier, so you're the one who's been lurking around the other nights."
Followed by the most awkward handshake of my life... He even offered me coffee, but I had to get home and get a shower before my grandparents came to visit...
User avatar #99 - thatonetyler (02/05/2015) [-]
thats great!!
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I don't know, I think a different system is used now.
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