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#4 - Said the man in the plain, grey t-shirt...  [+] (1 new reply) 12/25/2012 on Closets are for Clothes 0
User avatar #5 - naziyahtzee (12/25/2012) [-]
Well all of his fabulous, fabulous clothes were in the closet as his sign so helpfully points out.
#555 - America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple major…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/21/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
#553 - The Supreme Court is part of the government. It's the Judi…  [+] (3 new replies) 12/21/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
#551 - I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job. I'm n…  [+] (5 new replies) 12/21/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
#549 - If I'm mimicking you, then there is no way that I spat the fir…  [+] (7 new replies) 12/20/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #550 - alfjnn (12/20/2012) [-]
Legally speaking, they don't fit the requirements to be considered a religion, but fit most of the requirements to be a hate group or cult.

No. I grew up in Serbia, I didn't live in America at the time for Waco.

The job of the government is to adjudicate. Americans are asking the government to do something about these people. The government hasn't even done anything yet, but there is nothing wrong with expecting your government to listen to your requests.

Americans have the right to petition, WBC has their rights, and everyone else has their rights as well.

Government by consent, bro.

Sure. We got bigger problems. WBC may not really be a problem in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask the government for help. That's sort of why we have a government, among other reasons.

What you're effectively saying is that the government shouldn't do it's job, which is silly.
#551 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job.
I'm not saying people don't have the RIGHT to petition.
But who are you to decide what a religion should consist of?
The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean "a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons".

I'd say that WBC members meet this requirement.
So then what about the 1st Amendment, bro?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
#545 - My problem is with the people. I'm getting the vibe that r…  [+] (10 new replies) 12/19/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #547 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
I'm also going to take this back to the basics.

Your whole argument is that we are removing their right.

No one is removing their right to anything. God damn, if the Knights Party has these rights, why doesn't WBC?

We're only labeling them a hate group so that they have to drop the church guise, pay taxes, and not use religion as an excuse for their idiocy. Read up on Shirley Phelps-Roper's arrest trial.
it was pretty silly.
User avatar #546 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Why do you mimic me? That's just silly.

America is a representative Republic, if you didn't know, not everyone's vote matters, hence why petitions don't require a majority, they need just a large number.

>Reading isn't my thing.
Pardon me if English is not my primary language. I can still read every last thing you type, however, and I full well comprehend it, excuse me if I believe that your logic is total straw-man.

Math is irrelevant, the few hundred thousand that signed count for much more than that, a history of American Politics is a history of representation.

Surveyically speaking, you can ask anyone who knows about the WBC, and I garuntee at least six out of every ten would believe that their a hate group.

I still don't see your point.
I'm pretty sure this conversation has degraded into you throwing insults at me and my poor English.

Way to go, br0.
#549 - terracount (12/20/2012) [-]
If I'm mimicking you, then there is no way that I spat the first insul, swear, or what have you. Search your feelings (or just reread the conversation). You know it to be true.

More importantly, my entire point is that we should have the intellectual sense to involve the Federal Government as little as possible. WBC does not pose any threat to our health or freedoms and it WRONG to tell them they aren't a religion because we don't agree with their message as long as this is the case. Do you remember David Koresh and the Waco Massacre?
User avatar #550 - alfjnn (12/20/2012) [-]
Legally speaking, they don't fit the requirements to be considered a religion, but fit most of the requirements to be a hate group or cult.

No. I grew up in Serbia, I didn't live in America at the time for Waco.

The job of the government is to adjudicate. Americans are asking the government to do something about these people. The government hasn't even done anything yet, but there is nothing wrong with expecting your government to listen to your requests.

Americans have the right to petition, WBC has their rights, and everyone else has their rights as well.

Government by consent, bro.

Sure. We got bigger problems. WBC may not really be a problem in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask the government for help. That's sort of why we have a government, among other reasons.

What you're effectively saying is that the government shouldn't do it's job, which is silly.
#551 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job.
I'm not saying people don't have the RIGHT to petition.
But who are you to decide what a religion should consist of?
The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean "a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons".

I'd say that WBC members meet this requirement.
So then what about the 1st Amendment, bro?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
#543 - I didn't say the KKK should be labeled a hate group. I don…  [+] (12 new replies) 12/19/2012 on Great News 0
User avatar #544 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
KKK isn't white supremacist anymore, they're a rights group for white anglo-saxon protestants.
I never said you said KKK was a hate group.

Ku Klux Klan isn't a street gang either. They're a legitimate group.
You don't have to be in prison to be considered hateful.. is that really how you define hate?

No. It's more than just that, we're also taking away their religious guise so that now they cannot avoid taxes, and the like.

And Exactly, we're giving our government permission.
Consent, bro.
Do you even 18th Century Policy?
If you're going to have a problem with someone, have a problem with the people.

Listen.
Guy.
You can argue all you want.

But simply put, America is a Democratic Republic, which tends to sway with its majority.
A majority of people hate WBC.
Now we've asked our government to do something about it.

It's their fucking job to do something about it, a government cannot be laissez-faire about everything, that's just silly.

Are you new to America, bro? I'm still getting that vibe that politics isn't your thing.
#545 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
My problem is with the people.
I'm getting the vibe that reading isn't your thing, bro.

At this point the signature count stands at roughly 213,000.
Do you even math?
In what way is 213,000 the majority of Americans?
User avatar #547 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
I'm also going to take this back to the basics.

Your whole argument is that we are removing their right.

No one is removing their right to anything. God damn, if the Knights Party has these rights, why doesn't WBC?

We're only labeling them a hate group so that they have to drop the church guise, pay taxes, and not use religion as an excuse for their idiocy. Read up on Shirley Phelps-Roper's arrest trial.
it was pretty silly.
User avatar #546 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Why do you mimic me? That's just silly.

America is a representative Republic, if you didn't know, not everyone's vote matters, hence why petitions don't require a majority, they need just a large number.

>Reading isn't my thing.
Pardon me if English is not my primary language. I can still read every last thing you type, however, and I full well comprehend it, excuse me if I believe that your logic is total straw-man.

Math is irrelevant, the few hundred thousand that signed count for much more than that, a history of American Politics is a history of representation.

Surveyically speaking, you can ask anyone who knows about the WBC, and I garuntee at least six out of every ten would believe that their a hate group.

I still don't see your point.
I'm pretty sure this conversation has degraded into you throwing insults at me and my poor English.

Way to go, br0.
#549 - terracount (12/20/2012) [-]
If I'm mimicking you, then there is no way that I spat the first insul, swear, or what have you. Search your feelings (or just reread the conversation). You know it to be true.

More importantly, my entire point is that we should have the intellectual sense to involve the Federal Government as little as possible. WBC does not pose any threat to our health or freedoms and it WRONG to tell them they aren't a religion because we don't agree with their message as long as this is the case. Do you remember David Koresh and the Waco Massacre?
User avatar #550 - alfjnn (12/20/2012) [-]
Legally speaking, they don't fit the requirements to be considered a religion, but fit most of the requirements to be a hate group or cult.

No. I grew up in Serbia, I didn't live in America at the time for Waco.

The job of the government is to adjudicate. Americans are asking the government to do something about these people. The government hasn't even done anything yet, but there is nothing wrong with expecting your government to listen to your requests.

Americans have the right to petition, WBC has their rights, and everyone else has their rights as well.

Government by consent, bro.

Sure. We got bigger problems. WBC may not really be a problem in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask the government for help. That's sort of why we have a government, among other reasons.

What you're effectively saying is that the government shouldn't do it's job, which is silly.
#551 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job.
I'm not saying people don't have the RIGHT to petition.
But who are you to decide what a religion should consist of?
The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean "a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons".

I'd say that WBC members meet this requirement.
So then what about the 1st Amendment, bro?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
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User avatar #542 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Read their Charter.
They're not what they used to be.

I'm not angry or sarcastic at all.

>That's a joke. I was agreeing with you.

It's like this. if the KKK can be considered a hate group, why can't WBC?

#543 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
I didn't say the KKK should be labeled a hate group.
I don't really keep up with their 'policies'.
I know that many white supremacist groups are trying to make
themselves seem more agreeable to average white people, but
many of these groups still commit violent crimes.

To try and answer your last question:
WBC isn't a street gang, they do not have a prison presence, and they do not kill people.

We are giving our government permission to spy on these people by labeling them a hate group. And it doesn't stop with them.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lfZ1vTpJ-8U

pic related: you have a phone call, it's Uncle Sam.
User avatar #544 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
KKK isn't white supremacist anymore, they're a rights group for white anglo-saxon protestants.
I never said you said KKK was a hate group.

Ku Klux Klan isn't a street gang either. They're a legitimate group.
You don't have to be in prison to be considered hateful.. is that really how you define hate?

No. It's more than just that, we're also taking away their religious guise so that now they cannot avoid taxes, and the like.

And Exactly, we're giving our government permission.
Consent, bro.
Do you even 18th Century Policy?
If you're going to have a problem with someone, have a problem with the people.

Listen.
Guy.
You can argue all you want.

But simply put, America is a Democratic Republic, which tends to sway with its majority.
A majority of people hate WBC.
Now we've asked our government to do something about it.

It's their fucking job to do something about it, a government cannot be laissez-faire about everything, that's just silly.

Are you new to America, bro? I'm still getting that vibe that politics isn't your thing.
#545 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
My problem is with the people.
I'm getting the vibe that reading isn't your thing, bro.

At this point the signature count stands at roughly 213,000.
Do you even math?
In what way is 213,000 the majority of Americans?
User avatar #547 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
I'm also going to take this back to the basics.

Your whole argument is that we are removing their right.

No one is removing their right to anything. God damn, if the Knights Party has these rights, why doesn't WBC?

We're only labeling them a hate group so that they have to drop the church guise, pay taxes, and not use religion as an excuse for their idiocy. Read up on Shirley Phelps-Roper's arrest trial.
it was pretty silly.
User avatar #546 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Why do you mimic me? That's just silly.

America is a representative Republic, if you didn't know, not everyone's vote matters, hence why petitions don't require a majority, they need just a large number.

>Reading isn't my thing.
Pardon me if English is not my primary language. I can still read every last thing you type, however, and I full well comprehend it, excuse me if I believe that your logic is total straw-man.

Math is irrelevant, the few hundred thousand that signed count for much more than that, a history of American Politics is a history of representation.

Surveyically speaking, you can ask anyone who knows about the WBC, and I garuntee at least six out of every ten would believe that their a hate group.

I still don't see your point.
I'm pretty sure this conversation has degraded into you throwing insults at me and my poor English.

Way to go, br0.
#549 - terracount (12/20/2012) [-]
If I'm mimicking you, then there is no way that I spat the first insul, swear, or what have you. Search your feelings (or just reread the conversation). You know it to be true.

More importantly, my entire point is that we should have the intellectual sense to involve the Federal Government as little as possible. WBC does not pose any threat to our health or freedoms and it WRONG to tell them they aren't a religion because we don't agree with their message as long as this is the case. Do you remember David Koresh and the Waco Massacre?
User avatar #550 - alfjnn (12/20/2012) [-]
Legally speaking, they don't fit the requirements to be considered a religion, but fit most of the requirements to be a hate group or cult.

No. I grew up in Serbia, I didn't live in America at the time for Waco.

The job of the government is to adjudicate. Americans are asking the government to do something about these people. The government hasn't even done anything yet, but there is nothing wrong with expecting your government to listen to your requests.

Americans have the right to petition, WBC has their rights, and everyone else has their rights as well.

Government by consent, bro.

Sure. We got bigger problems. WBC may not really be a problem in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask the government for help. That's sort of why we have a government, among other reasons.

What you're effectively saying is that the government shouldn't do it's job, which is silly.
#551 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job.
I'm not saying people don't have the RIGHT to petition.
But who are you to decide what a religion should consist of?
The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean "a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons".

I'd say that WBC members meet this requirement.
So then what about the 1st Amendment, bro?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
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User avatar #530 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
I don't think they're a hate group.
And who's to say I can't respect a hate group?
I respect the KKK. Respect is irrelevant.

I'm not angry at anyone at all, bro. Where would you get that vibe?
Read what I'm saying more carefully.

Really hard, Welcome to America.

Government is in power to govern and protect the people, and to act also as an adjuticatory system. That's the whole point of a government.

I'm getting this vibe that politics or human interaction isn't exactly your forte.
#540 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
Feel free to respect/disrespect any person, organization, religion, etc that you wish.
That's not the issue.
Personally, I would sincerely doubt the rationality of someone who honestly
respects things like the KKK.

Ok, I'm sorry I assumed you were angry. Clearly your sarcasm and eclectic insults are evidence of the contrary.

You're saying it's hard to write your Congressman? Political activism is damn near
the EASIEST 'market' to enter in America.

Yes, government does have judicial responsibilities, but you might want to reread the 14th amendment and brush up on the equal protection clause.
Simply put, it is my contention that by petitioning the government to label WBC as a hate group we are causing members of that group to be under increased scrutiny by the police.
I am not so concerned with the fact that this IS happening, but rather that we WANT it to happen.
User avatar #542 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Read their Charter.
They're not what they used to be.

I'm not angry or sarcastic at all.

>That's a joke. I was agreeing with you.

It's like this. if the KKK can be considered a hate group, why can't WBC?

#543 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
I didn't say the KKK should be labeled a hate group.
I don't really keep up with their 'policies'.
I know that many white supremacist groups are trying to make
themselves seem more agreeable to average white people, but
many of these groups still commit violent crimes.

To try and answer your last question:
WBC isn't a street gang, they do not have a prison presence, and they do not kill people.

We are giving our government permission to spy on these people by labeling them a hate group. And it doesn't stop with them.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lfZ1vTpJ-8U

pic related: you have a phone call, it's Uncle Sam.
User avatar #544 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
KKK isn't white supremacist anymore, they're a rights group for white anglo-saxon protestants.
I never said you said KKK was a hate group.

Ku Klux Klan isn't a street gang either. They're a legitimate group.
You don't have to be in prison to be considered hateful.. is that really how you define hate?

No. It's more than just that, we're also taking away their religious guise so that now they cannot avoid taxes, and the like.

And Exactly, we're giving our government permission.
Consent, bro.
Do you even 18th Century Policy?
If you're going to have a problem with someone, have a problem with the people.

Listen.
Guy.
You can argue all you want.

But simply put, America is a Democratic Republic, which tends to sway with its majority.
A majority of people hate WBC.
Now we've asked our government to do something about it.

It's their fucking job to do something about it, a government cannot be laissez-faire about everything, that's just silly.

Are you new to America, bro? I'm still getting that vibe that politics isn't your thing.
#545 - terracount (12/19/2012) [-]
My problem is with the people.
I'm getting the vibe that reading isn't your thing, bro.

At this point the signature count stands at roughly 213,000.
Do you even math?
In what way is 213,000 the majority of Americans?
User avatar #547 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
I'm also going to take this back to the basics.

Your whole argument is that we are removing their right.

No one is removing their right to anything. God damn, if the Knights Party has these rights, why doesn't WBC?

We're only labeling them a hate group so that they have to drop the church guise, pay taxes, and not use religion as an excuse for their idiocy. Read up on Shirley Phelps-Roper's arrest trial.
it was pretty silly.
User avatar #546 - alfjnn (12/19/2012) [-]
Why do you mimic me? That's just silly.

America is a representative Republic, if you didn't know, not everyone's vote matters, hence why petitions don't require a majority, they need just a large number.

>Reading isn't my thing.
Pardon me if English is not my primary language. I can still read every last thing you type, however, and I full well comprehend it, excuse me if I believe that your logic is total straw-man.

Math is irrelevant, the few hundred thousand that signed count for much more than that, a history of American Politics is a history of representation.

Surveyically speaking, you can ask anyone who knows about the WBC, and I garuntee at least six out of every ten would believe that their a hate group.

I still don't see your point.
I'm pretty sure this conversation has degraded into you throwing insults at me and my poor English.

Way to go, br0.
#549 - terracount (12/20/2012) [-]
If I'm mimicking you, then there is no way that I spat the first insul, swear, or what have you. Search your feelings (or just reread the conversation). You know it to be true.

More importantly, my entire point is that we should have the intellectual sense to involve the Federal Government as little as possible. WBC does not pose any threat to our health or freedoms and it WRONG to tell them they aren't a religion because we don't agree with their message as long as this is the case. Do you remember David Koresh and the Waco Massacre?
User avatar #550 - alfjnn (12/20/2012) [-]
Legally speaking, they don't fit the requirements to be considered a religion, but fit most of the requirements to be a hate group or cult.

No. I grew up in Serbia, I didn't live in America at the time for Waco.

The job of the government is to adjudicate. Americans are asking the government to do something about these people. The government hasn't even done anything yet, but there is nothing wrong with expecting your government to listen to your requests.

Americans have the right to petition, WBC has their rights, and everyone else has their rights as well.

Government by consent, bro.

Sure. We got bigger problems. WBC may not really be a problem in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean people don't have the right to ask the government for help. That's sort of why we have a government, among other reasons.

What you're effectively saying is that the government shouldn't do it's job, which is silly.
#551 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
I'm not saying the government shouldn't do it's job.
I'm not saying people don't have the RIGHT to petition.
But who are you to decide what a religion should consist of?
The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean "a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons".

I'd say that WBC members meet this requirement.
So then what about the 1st Amendment, bro?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
User avatar #552 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
The Government Defines what religion is and isn't, that's one of their several jobs.

I'm talking about actual legal requirements, membership count, financial income and expenses, and practices.

No one's rights are being infringed here. If you don't like it, appeal to the supreme court, it's their job to adjudicate, or write your congress man.
#553 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
The Supreme Court is part of the government.
It's the Judicial branch, and their rulings may not be superseded.

So, the Supreme Court has ruled what a religion is, and that ruling cannot be superseded by any court other than the Supreme Court itself.
As I previously pointed out: WBC does, in fact, meet the requirement to legally be considered a religion.
Moreover, they do not present any danger to our own safety or freedoms.
Therefore, it would absolutely be an infringement on WBC member's rights if we declare them a hate group.

I don't agree with WBC, but I am willing to defend anybody's religious freedom provided that the group does not present a danger to our own safety or freedoms.

You've heard the phrase "United we stand", but it doesn't mean anything unless we act on it. The members of WBC are Americans just like us and I refuse to sit quietly while one of my favorite communities (FunnyJunk) develops a deep seeded, personal vendetta against this feckless fringe group.
User avatar #554 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
I respect WBC's Right as well.
But I also respect the average American's answer to their protests.

We're united in our rights, as Americans.

The debate, my friend here, lies in with who's opinion is more valuable, the views of a wayward Church, and those who defend them, or everyone else.

TL;DR
People are butthurt.
They want the government to do something about it.
There's good reasoning behind their butthurt.
Now that the petition that is going through, we'll see what happens.

Protip: There's worse things about the WBC than "God Hates Fags"

Read the book Lauren wrote, explaining the constant abuse of their children.
#555 - terracount (12/21/2012) [-]
America is a Republic and has never been ruled by simple majority.
Our government was created with the understanding that we don't always agree, but that's not a reason to bully an entire group of people as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

If there is sufficient evidence, bring the child abusers to trial.
Do not punish a whole religion.

People's overall objection to them is that they are absurdly rude.
There's no reason for them to protest at funerals and whatnot.
However, yelling, protesting, and telling people they are sinners, or even that America
is in a recession because of homosexuals is not a crime; it's just obnoxious.

This leads me to the crux of my argument: If mildly irritating somebody is really all it takes for people to consider you a hate group nowadays, when will they come for you? Or me? Or anybody we care about?

Don't say our government won't.
I've already given you the Waco example. Then there's Ruby Ridge and the Jonestown Massacre. Beginning in 2013, Paragould, Arkansas will have fully armored police with AR-15s roaming the streets stopping anyone outside. Apparently the chief of police did not even consult a lawyer before declaring this state of martial law.
Do i need to remind you about SOPA/PIPA? None of these actions could be considered "government by consent", as you put it.\

Start respecting your fellow man, guy.
User avatar #556 - alfjnn (12/21/2012) [-]
Let's just agree to disagree.

Because from what you're saying is that you respect everyone's rights to petition, assembly, and speech.

I agree with you.

I think we have a misunderstanding here, since I respect everyone, I have no strong opinion either which way other than that, even though WBC has a right to say whatever it wants, the rest of the united states and her government, have a right to respond in anyway that they so choose.

Also America is a Constitutional Republic (Republics are like Rome, no prior set laws & values, etc.)

SOPA & Pipa did not pass because Americans encouraged their congressmen that they shouldn't pass it.
Sides. Those wouldn't change anything in the average American's life.

Listen. I'm liberal, like you. I'm an Immigrant & a Homosexual, I'm an avid supporter of human rights, and I support the WBC's rights to hate whoever they want and say whatever they like.

Mind you, labeling a group of people a hate group, doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

As a patriotic american, I agree with you for the most part, but as a man with common sense, I disagree with you on others.

Let us end it here.
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