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#63 - Can you explain what you mean? Are you trying to say that Cath…  [+] (58 replies) 09/22/2016 on A British faggot, no less. +6
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#69 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
Catholicism has historically been just as shitty as Islam.

And yes, extremist interpretations of Catholicism are just as bad.
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#139 - obviousxplains (09/23/2016) [-]
false. its been said a hundred times, but there is no interpretation of jesus' words that call for violence. Muhammad does.
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#162 - SuperCollider (09/23/2016) [-]
I meant to rephrase my original comment but you saw it before I could alter it, oh well. I wanted to say something more along the lines of "Catholic theology and doctrine exists alongside the Bible". So in other words, your point is kind of null because canonical doctrine has come from many sources external to the Bible.
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#165 - obviousxplains (09/23/2016) [-]
this is true. i'll rescind my retard comment.
catholic doctrine can be changed and different parts of the bible can be canonized, however. if one day the pope says "we're ditching Leviticus" then boom, no more hatred of gays. the only things that really cant be changed are the direct words of jesus.

also it would be a no true Scotsman fallacy to claim that one cannot be Catholic without believing in all catholic doctrine. catholics get divorced all the time, and have sex outside marriage, are get tattoos, and are cremated, etc.
claiming gays cant be catholic is like claiming people with tattoos cant be catholic.
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#220 - SuperCollider (09/23/2016) [-]
Hey man, I agree with everything you say there! The one thing I'd argue is that the words of Jesus actually can be changed, and have been historically at different moments. In saying that I refer to changes in translation between Greek and Hebrew texts over the centuries. I also refer to the way that the Bible and the books it contains have also been subject to questions of legitimacy e.g. the expunging of "apocrphyal" books/sources. And I'm not even talking about Protestant views here haha. So suffice it to say, I'd argue that even the direct words of Jesus are subject to debate. But yeah, I essentially agree with everything in your last comment!
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#156 - SuperCollider (09/23/2016) [-]
Ditto brosef.
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#140 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
That's because Muhammad wasn't a pacifist and never claimed to be.

Pacifism is the equivalent of communism. It will only work in a perfect world.
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#130 - reaperriley (09/23/2016) [-]
Personally im less worried about what they used to do and more about what they currently do. If tomorrow muslims stopped blowing up people/places, performing terrorist attacks, and just doing all the shitty things ISIS is doing I would stop worrying about people that follow it.

Are there people who are just straight up crazy who say that god told them to drown their kids in the bathtub. But those are people who regardless of their beliefs that would have done it anyways. When there is a movement or ideology that encourages and actively helps people not just cause harm but to kill others I take issue with that.
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#70 - swimmingprodigy (09/22/2016) [-]
at least our prophet didnt fuck an 11 year old girl and encourage the use of force and war to convert people to my religion
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#73 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
Also don't pretend like Catholic priests aren't famous for touching little children. You've gotta be kidding me with this.
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#112 - anon (09/23/2016) [-]
We're talking about the holy book, not hobbies.
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#84 - zombielovez (09/23/2016) [-]
It has happened in the catholic faith however it has never been condoned in the holy book and the prophet of said holy book didn't partake in fucking 11 year olds.
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#87 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
It happened and continues to happen.

Oh come on. Now you're beginning to sound like the #NotAllMuslims people.

Do not tread into bigotry, my friend. Either you accept that all religions are full of shit and, at their worst, are equally damaging to the progress of humanity OR.... you can continue being a hypocrite.
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#90 - zombielovez (09/23/2016) [-]
Link to the "It continues to happen" please, I'm not saying it's not true however I would like sources. I am not claiming it doesn't happen however the religious heads of the catholic church do not condone those actions nor is it at all able to be derived from the scripture of the holy bible. both religions are fucked however the Islamic faith is measurably worse.
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#91 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]

Literally every other day some article comes out about some Catholic priest either a) molesting little children or b) distributing child pornography.

"both religions are fucked however the Islamic faith is measurably worse."

By what measure? I'd argue that Catholic Spain and Portugal killed more people spreading their religion than the Ummayad or Ottoman Empires, for example.
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#93 - zombielovez (09/23/2016) [-]
You are weighing past deaths against current deaths, wait till radical Islam stops killing people as a result of terrorism before passing that kind of judgement
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#94 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
No, I'm accounting for the entirety of history.

We're not special just because we are living in the present. That's not how things work. 500 years ago, people would have said the same thing about their state of affairs, and I'm sure 500 years from now they'll say the same thing as well.

The only way to genuinely have a good judgement is by looking at the entirety of history.
Catholicism and Islam have been just as fucked up.

If you think about it, Islam circa 800 CE to circa 1350 CE was far better than Catholicism.
Would you rather have lived in disease-ridden Europe where you'd get your head chopped off for going against the church or would you rather have lived in Baghdad where science and logic triumphed?
#126 - anon (09/23/2016) [-]
All Abraham religions have immoral and idiotic passages written in their holy book that is itself written by sand people, ignorant of the laws of nature but they understood (or not) that humans were too dumb to simply cooperate. So they had to give them 'greater' reason to do so. ect..

Now that this is out of the way, it is possible to determine which holy book is better compared to the others. No surprises: It's the new testament.
You cannot say priest pedophilia is has a direct link to Christianity because its not written in the book they're loosely supposed to follow, Meanwhile it was ok for Muhammad to get laid with a 9 y/o girl.

Never thought I would 'defend' religion in my life :S
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#108 - lkszangs (09/23/2016) [-]
Islamists fight among themselves till today,because they couldn't decide who would be their leader.
"where science and logic triumphed" my ass.
Europe was the heart of The Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution,not the Middle East.
And the priests themselves stood against the Catholic Church,creating the protestants.
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#285 - kyouko (09/23/2016) [-]
The time period iviagic happened to be the European dark ages, and Arab golden age. He is completely correct about it.
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#114 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
"Europe was the heart of The Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution,not the Middle East. "

Renaissance came after the timeline that I brought up. Maybe they were right when they said the average IQ of a Brazilian is 80.

Let's not forget the dozens of wars between muh Christianity vs muh Catholicism.
Fucking Crusaders, who were supposed to be the saviors of Christianity even killed their own brethren.
#116 - lkszangs (09/23/2016) [-]
WoU yur arguments arr tu stonk fur mu'h tinni brasiliam brein.

You don't even try to hide your shitposting.
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#117 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
You literally fucked up by trying to prove me wrong when you said "Europe was the heart of The Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution,not the Middle East."

The Renaissance and especially the Industrial Revolution came hundreds of years after the timeframe that I said.

Just own up to the fact that you lack reading comprehension skills.
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#141 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
Well earlier you also said you were accounting for all of history, and if so then the Brazilian is very correct. Touching little kids>throwing gays off the roof
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#142 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
Did you even read my other comment though?

What about killing off millions upon millions of natives all over the world, from the Americas to Africa to the Philippines in order to spread Catholicism?
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#146 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
Columbus's mission was not to spread Catholicisim, although he may have been a Catholic himself. I am not sure of anything about Africa or the Philippines, if you could provide some sources that would be great. Maybe you are talking about the British colonizing Africa?
#231 - anon (09/23/2016) [-]
Columbus was a JEW and when he landed on the islands of Mexico (Columbus never landed in any of the territories we now call The United States), he did what Jews always do to non-Jews. He tortured the natives, killed a bunch of them, then enslaved them.

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#147 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
I'm going to assume that history is not your strongest subject.
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#185 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
They still killed them, no matter when they did.

"I don't know what you mean by the 'African American killings'"
The Muslim slave traders who killed, directly and indirectly, about 100 million est.
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#186 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
What does America have to do with it? Lol

Also the Arab slave trade has literally existed since 200 BC. Arabs also took European slaves from Italy, France, Spain, and even from Northern Europe.

It would have continued with or without Islam.
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#181 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
So 80 million dead Indians is "just how it went"? It is very relevant to this topic

The killing was still on behalf of the Muslims, regardless of the motive.

Also I don't blame you, I wouldn't have a response for the African American killings either, pretty barbaric...
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#182 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
"So 80 million dead Indians is "just how it went"? It is very relevant to this topic "

In the grand scheme of things, pretty much. Of course, those 80 million died over the course of 500-600 years, if I recall correctly, but as I've said, a more significant portion of the Indian population have died from previous invaders. Muslims were just one of the last to show up to the scene.

"Also I don't blame you, I wouldn't have a response for the African American killings either, pretty barbaric..."

I don't know what you mean by the "African American killings"
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#148 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
Enlighten me, please.
#189 - anon (09/23/2016) [-]
>>#164 reached the reply limit, go to a higher comment with less replies and mention to continue
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#175 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
Initially it was disease, but later on Spaniards intentionally spread disease to destroy indigenous populations.

Also, India has always been invaded, whether by Aryans, Mongols, Muslims, or British.
For thousands of years, anyone who conquered India would go on to conquer the rest of the world. That's just how things went.

Armenian Genocide was more of a superstitious reaction on the part of the Ottomans that the Armenians were siding with Russia during WW1.
The Ottomans didn't murder the Armenians because they were Christian. If that were the case, they would've done it way earlier. The main reason they murdered them was because the Ottoman Empire was falling and they were desperate.
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#164 - asloth (09/23/2016) [-]
iviagic sorry it wont let me reply to your comment, so Ill just mention you. And I hope you do know most of the natives in all parts were killed by disease, not by refusal to convert. In fact, if I recall correctly, Islam is the one who has verses in its holy book about killing when refusing to convert. I guess you don't seem to recall the 80 million dead Indians thanks to the Ottoman Empire. And just a measly 110 million blacks killed in Africa. Also, what about the Armenian genocide?
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#153 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
Columbus was not the only Spanish colonist. He was just the first.

Spain and Portugal sent MANY more colonists and conquistadors who specifically went to places like the Americas, Africa, and Southeast Asia for the three G's (God, Gold, and Glory, see Portuguese/Spanish Empire)
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#121 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
would've been more accurate.

At the end of the day, you're still a Brazilian.
#123 - lkszangs (09/23/2016) [-]
That's how I was able to identify you.
I'm a profesional shitposter on brazilian communities.I'm trained in monkey warfare and had more than 60000 followers on my Orkut page.
I could Hue you so hard your would piss a rainbow.
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#135 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
Brazilians and Filipinos are the most annoying RPG players
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#276 - logintoviewsauce (09/23/2016) [-]
Used to be. It's Russians nowadays
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#134 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]



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#95 - zombielovez (09/23/2016) [-]
You seemed to miss my point, the Catholic faith has for the most part stopped killing people, Islam is still racking up a large head count to compare we would need Islam to stop having large scale murder counts for a period of time them we could calculate the total death count of both sides. It's pointless to say "Well they killed people in the past so they are just as bad"
#120 - anon (09/23/2016) [-]
Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity
Christianity underwent a significant reform during and after the Rennaissance, 400 years ago, which is what started fixing a lot of their religious issues

Like c'mon dude, it's not that hard to figure out. Christianity and Judaism have had much more time to get their shit figured out, and did so after significant intellectual and technological development. Islam has had less time, and their countries haven't gotten their shit together and developed yet (partially because of how the west has fucked them), plus there's a stigma now where reform might be considered Western and a betrayal of their culture. It just so happens that we developed better weapons before they developed reform, and that the world population has gotten significantly larger.

I'd be willing to bet that, had guns and explosives been this advanced during the era of witch trials half of New England would have been laid to waste. It's not that the religion is worse it's that their corrupt governments, shit culture, and younger status as a religion have prevented them from fixing their religion's shit. Hell, we were still lynching people for being gay or having the wrong skin color during the industrial revolution and they haven't even hit that yet.

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#75 - swimmingprodigy (09/22/2016) [-]
Priests are not our main guys so they doesn't represent the view of the entire religion. What represents your entire religion is what the main guy does/did
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#78 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
Nice "argument"

Gee, I dunno. I mean... Catholic priests DO have tendencies to fuck kids. I dunno...
#111 - lkszangs (09/23/2016) [-]
And the muslins in general too.
Not just their "priests".
And lets not forget about "honor killing" for little girls that are raped,because they become "unclean"
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#113 - iviagic (09/23/2016) [-]
"And lets not forget about "honor killing" for little girls that are raped,because they become "unclean""

That's a cultural thing that really only happens in Pakistan and the rest of South Asia. Even non-Muslims there do it, from what I've heard.
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#72 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
So who exactly is the prophet of Catholicism? lol

Aisha was 22 years old, btw.

The use of war to convert people is debatable. Was it warfare or was it self defense on the part of Muhammad?
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#74 - swimmingprodigy (09/22/2016) [-]
1. The main prophet, Jesus (yes i know Muhammad is also in our book but he's not the main guy)

2. Their own scripture states "Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old."

3. www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Arab-Wave.jpg
Conquest sounds a lot like offense. You don't accumulate lands by defending yourself
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#79 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
I'll answer your third point nonetheless.

According to your map, Muhammad never expanded beyond Arabia, even when he was under attack by the Byzantine Empire.

Your own source proved you wrong, my friend.
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#77 - iviagic (09/22/2016) [-]
1. How is Muhammad in your book? Don't you follow the Bible? How could he be in the Bible when it was written/sent down many years before Muhammad?

2. Which scripture? Sahih al Bukhari? Books like that don't have tenure. They are not seen as holy, and they can be refuted. The claim that Aisha was 9 years old came hundreds of years after the time of Muhammad, when radical Islamic ideology came into power.
Pedophiles wanted to justify their lust for children by claiming that they were following the sunnah, when in reality there has never been any evidence to prove that Aisha was 9 years old. As a matter of fact, more evidence points to the possibility that she was somewhere between 19-24 years of age during the time of her marriage and consummation.

3. > jihadwatch.org

Nice totally unbiased source, my friend.

Next thing you're gonna say is that sheep are abused for their wool according to PETA.org , right?
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#191 - ruderoody (09/19/2016) [-]
Yeah it's crazy honestly