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#135 - fefe (04/17/2015) [-]
True but a few things need to be bared in mind:
1) Vietnam lasted a decade, while the US was involved in World War II for barely three years.
2) The bombers that dropped those bombs were MUCH bigger, and the North Vietnamese air defense system is to this day the most effective air defense system the US has ever faced the second most being that of Nazi Germany in World War II , so a LOT of planes were needed
3) The targets these bombers had to hit were well-concealed, and precision weaponry was a huge oxymoron back then TV-guided missiles were brand new, and other methods of missile guidance were unreliable as hell, necessitating conventional "dumb" bombing
4) Agent Orange was DESIGNED to be a chemical defoliant basically weed spray on steroids rather than a weapon against human life, and in a supreme display of incompetence by the US military, NOBODY bothered to check if it was harmful to humans before it was deployed needless to say, many people were fired for this, and the US military DID learn a valuable lesson from this after the fact - hell, some soldiers would even spray it on themselves to cool off in the early days because they were told it was "completely safe"; they found out the hard way that it wasn't.
5) All of this happened because the US Government refused to let the US military to go on the offensive and actually launch an ATTACK on North Vietnam, only allowing them to defend the south and go after the Ho Chi Minh trail. If the USAF had been allowed to begin a strategic bombing campaign on day one of the war, it would've been over and won within a couple of months as North Vietnam would be unable to provide any materiel support for its own troops, let alone the Viet Cong guerillas.
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#77 - zielscheibe (03/28/2015) [-]
They could see how american troops were cutting down a fence to enter the farm from another side.
His granddad got so mad ( because he made the fence , and was a WW1 Vet.) taht he wanted to go out there and tell the americans to fuck off - but they held him back and waited for the americans to sweep the building
The americans just briefly entered teh building and left ASAP to chase the german soldiers.
It got quiet after some time.
American tanks werer rolling through the town and they went out to see what will happen next.
As they stepped outside they saw some americans still in the yard. They were standing over a dead fellow GI - they learned later on that the two german soldiers shot him from the 1st floor and wounded another one.
they asked why my granduncle was there and were pretty nervous / angry - they thought he was a Wehrmacht soldier hiding as civilian or something.
they searched him - non of them was pretty good at english so it was quiet difficult.
But after he showed them his papers and told them he was a prisoner and never fought in the Wehrmacht - they still doubted him but had no real time to deal with him either -
At the evening of the same day
The americans returned to the farm. Ot was one of the few farms left standing and big enough for the americans to have some place to put the Tanks and soldiers under a roof.
So the americans stayed at the farm - his Mum made some potato salad - with the last things she had left and gave it to the americans. Some black american soldiers were there too.
One black fellow gave his chocolate to the smallest of my granduncles brothers ( he was 9 ) wich was hell a nice ! - But a white GI stepped up to him and kicked him hard. Yelled at him and the black guy went outside. The white GI spit on the floor and left shortly after.
It was getting dark as some GI's brough 3 Waffen SS soildiers as POW's
Turn's out - the 5th Waffen SS Wiking was in the area and fighting the americans.
1 of those POW's was in pretty bad shape and they put him in the kitchen of out farm to patch him up.
the other ... well they were in for a fun ride.
The US. GI's were pretty angry and started taunting the SS soldiers - Those SS soldier were young lad's maybe 17 or 18.
But some of the americans took them away and brought them into the Shed where we kept the horses.
They tortured them all trough the night. Hit them with the leather gear of the horses.
They hit the mso bad and hard. Blood was all the way up on the wall 3 meters high - AND i have seen this shit post war .It was still a dark part of the wall -
a lot of good , bad and funny stories happened as the americans stayed at the farm.
And shortly after the war ended.
My Granduncle told me one thing.
*It does not matter where you were born or what you believe in.
There ar assholes and monsters everywhere - and this war was hell. For all of us.*
I asked him what he thought about the number 6 Mio dead people because of the Holocaust.
He said - * Well , they heave told the wildest of stories about Dachau too - and i am still alive. I tell you lad. Dont take all of these stories for real - Shit happened and a lot of innocent people are dead , but they all lie . Nazis , Americans , Russians - they all lie as long as it does them any good. *
I have a lot more stories like this - as i said - he had 3 brothers ( 2 served ) - his father died as a Whermacht NCO in 1944 ( wich hit him them pretty hard ) and post war the youngest brother had fun playing tricks on the americans and stealing rations from them. Wich got him into some trouble.
I hope you enjoyed the read.
#66 - zielscheibe (03/28/2015) [-]
They were gathered and put into * unit's * of inmates.
They had to do field work or what ever work was given to them -
Like screwing together part's of different machines - he did not knwo what it all was for.
they had several guards tha were pretty cool guy's but some treated them like animals. Yet , the officers looked after the camp and did not allow any SS soldier to overdo his bullcrap.
Sure , some times they goofed around and gave them a bad time. But that was not regular day to day routine.
A lot of the inmates of Dachau used to be real criminals - murderers , rapists and thiefs. They were mostly seperated from other inmates if possible - but they all lived inside the camp - just like inmates of modern prisons.
They had several inmated that had been given - authority . Capos or something like that.
Those guy's had to look after the * unit * of inmates. And like in the military had to report to the guards if something was up or if they needed them.
He had jewish folks in his unit and some criminals - one other Marxist he made friends with and someone that was in there for beating the crap out of a soldier in a bar fight.. All three survived the war and were friends until they died.
The hardest part he said was winter. They had damn cold winters and no gas ovens - just one wood oven.
every time someone asked him about gas chambers in Dachau - he went all
* Gas chambers ? We did not evehn have damn gas ovens or stoves *
He was less afraid of the SS men - even if some of them were assholes.
But a lot of people got sick in the last years of the war. Food was scarce in all of germany ( well unless you were a Nazi Officer or something)
So people had a bad time - Typhus was on the run too and some died off illness every year.
The USAAF and RAAF flew bombing raids on munich - pretty often. And every time they feared one of the bombs might hit the camp. They dropped them pretty much all over Munich and the camp is just a little bit outside the city limits.
HE said that he never saw something as terrible and horrifying as a sky darkened by bomber planes - the engines were so damn loud and intense taht everythin on the ground vibrated or shook. The AA fire and bomb explosions ... he was pretty clear about that and i remember how emotional he got about it.
Once he was sent out ther with some of his unit to clear munich of corpses ... the guards led them into the city where they had to work. Those pictures haunted him the most - and he feared for his family - his brothers on the frontlines and his mother at home.
He only saw one guy getting beat up pretty badly during his whole time in the camp. He did not know why they hit him like that - or who that guy was - but he got beaten senseless. I cant recall if a Capo did this or a guard .... sorry
And as i said - in 1944 he did his time and was allowed to go home.
He avoided people for the rest of the war and stayed at home. So he would not be called to arms - everybody knew the war was lost at that point
And some time later the US armed forces reached the farm -
After tough day's of fighting. They shelled the town with heavy arty to drive the germans out.
The german forces fought despertely - he just saw hos some went up his house ( he was hiding with the rest of the family in the basement.
two german soldiers ran up 1st floor - he said he could hear americans on the other side of the house.Two shot's rang out at the 1st floor and the german soldiers left the building at full speed. They were afraid. Thought the americans will shell the farm to kill the german soldiers that have just left.
A bit of story is left i will add another comment
#80 - zielscheibe (03/28/2015) [-]
Now i se a lot of my typos and i feel pretty damn stupid ...
But that is what i can recall , I have heard a lot of other people talk about that.
Soem of my granduncles friends he made in Dachau - and some other one that went to Mauthausen ....
If i remember correctly - Mauthausen was different and pretty bad.
For they had a lot of POW's too. and the guards treated some of the russian POW's pretty bad.
But i do not recall all the other stories quiet as well as the one my granduncle told me - It's like 14 years since i heard the other ones.
And i learned another interesting thing.
There still was a royal family in bavaria - not ruleing anymore - that was over after the end of WW1
But the ear to the throne of bavaria - his royal majesty archduke Alberecht of bavaria
was an inmate of Dachau.
My grandfather became a gardener and had the great honor to serve him after the war.
They became close friends and even went fishing together - He told me how he lived on the premises of the archduke with his family.
he talked to the archduke about his time in Dachau - he was seperated from other inmates but still under strict arrest.
The Nazi's feared that some old german / bavarian Royalists could try to overthrow the Nazi's at some point in time , so they put away all the left over royals and kept them in camps like Dachau or under strict house arrest.
The archduke told similar stories of Dachau and even thou he despised the SS men and the NSDAP - he too claimed that he had a hard time to believe in the 6Mio.
But he remainde doubtful and did not wish to talk about this topic any further with my Grandfather.
I was all ' WHAAAAAAATTT ? - Grandpa , you want to tell me that you served under an archduke in modern Germany ? Get out of here ---
But he showed me photos of him and the archduke fishing at lake Starnberg. Post cards of the archduke and even an offical latter of gratitude.
A big picture of the archduke still hanging in his workroom.
And i trust my family - as do i trust an archduke of bavaria to tell the truth.
That is why i doubt the 6 Mio Holocaust victims and some stories about the Shoa.
I dont wish to insult anyone and i do nut doubt or deny that the Holocaust happened-
only a full blown retard would deny the Holocaust as a whole.
But i dubt that all the horror stories are true. And i think some were made up to prevent the german people from ever choosind the NSDAP or something like taht again.
For shortly after the war 60% of the german population was still Pro 3.Reich.
And there was a real danger of a political rebirth of the Nazis.
So to kill this monster in the cradle - they needed a story so disgusting and horrible .
No man would ever be able to support the Nazi's without going against his own morals and better judgement. For no normal man would wish for the extermination of a whole race of people - that is just insane !
And they did good - they created a story of pure eviel , that keeps on haunting our nation - 70 + years after the war ended
The one thing i dislike about this the most is - people use the Holocaust to get their way - in politics and private. It is way to easy to silence people just be calling them NAZI.
So all of this os so damn difficult. If you doubt events of the Holocaust even in the slightest way - you gonna have a bad time.
And i bet - most people that noticed my comment thought about me as a NAZI at first. Even if i am far from it. That goes to show how important this topic still is.
And that is why we need to talk about it for real - no bullshit - neither (Neo)Nazi crap nor JIDIF Propaganda.
#64 - zielscheibe (03/28/2015) [-]
I only talked to him once about this stuff - he passed away 2006
And in the end he had alzheimers - like my Grandfather too
BUT - they talked about it a lot and so i asked him - * i guess i was like 12 years old at that point * and i wanted to know what a KZ was and what the big deal was all about - It's still a hot topic in Germany.
So he told me all about that time - He and his brothers had a real hard time .
He was a Marxist during the Weimarer Republic times and 2 of his 3 brothers were Pro- Hitler
One joined the NSDAP later on.
So the family was pretty much torn apart.
Later as Hitler slowly rose to power - My Granduncle was in open opposition against them.
he got arrested several times before the Nazis took over - because of street brawls.
As Hitler became new Reichskanzler in 1933 - he wanted to flee the country after several threats ( for he was known to be a Marxist )
But he never really did leave - he still loved his family and they had to support the family farm . Even if he had a lot's of fights with his older brothers.
One day 1935 - i guess i twas may ( but i am not sure )
The police arrested him for he was openly critizising the NSDAP and someone told the police he would hand out anti NSDAP leaflet's ( but he did not tell me if he actually did- but i can imagin he did )
So he got locked up until 1938 - He was released again and went back home.
2 of his brothers had joined the Wehrmacht in the meantime.
as the war began 1939 he was stricktly against it. - i cant remember when exactly but he refused to do his military duty in 1941 and was arrested again. They brought up a lot of claims from ther peopel of his Marxist shit. Some made up.
So in the end he got sent to Dachau near Munich -
( we live in Bavaria south Germany)
He spent 3 years inside that camp - until mid 1944.
He had enough of it all and just wanted to get home and help his family.
By this time , pretty much everything was fucked up.
So that is how he got arrested and inside the camp Dachau - and out again
a second comment will follow and i will write what he told me about Dachau
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