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You know what I find infuriating?
Before the brexit vote a lot of the media was painting the leave supporters as xenophobic racists.
After the vote I saw several articles that said shit like "migrants in the UK are fearing for their safety...." and I'm thinking to myself "Where the fuck are you finding these people who are afraid for their safety? Who the fuck did you ask, you daft cunts? I'm not fucking afraid and neither is anyone I know. Fuck you and your stupid fucking narrative!"
For context, I'm from Eastern Europe and I moved to the UK, Dundee specifically, in 2013 for university.
In more than 4 years I've met no one who has been outright hostile because I'm an immigrant. The vast majority of people have been really friendly, asking about where I'm from, about my country, complimenting me on my English etc.
Maybe it's because I live in a city with a high student population and maybe there are problems in certain places. The worst I've heard of were vague rumors that someone who someone knows faced discrimination at some point, but nothing from the people I know.
I don't doubt there are some people who would act like arseholes to me just because I'm not British, but there are arseholes everywhere.
I think that kinda proves the point that's it's more a racism thing than an immigration thing. The leave campaign wasn't pushing the immigration point because they didn't want other E.U. natural born citizens to the U.K. The fear was that the E.U. immigration policies would lead them to have to accept a bunch of people from brown countries. If you went back and looked, I would bet that a lot of the hate, vitriol and attacks directed at foreigners and immigrants before and right after the brexit vote were directed to perceived Muslims or Africans.
I mean, I didn't really see any attacks directed at anyone.
That's a valid experience and should inform our understanding, but so are the reports of attacks that did happen.
Fair enough. Though the article doesn't really give a good indication of the magnitude of the problem.
A 50% increase might sound bad, but without the per-capita offense figures (preferably contrasted with other types of crime for context) it might be indicative of a massive problem or a very minor one.
For example according to data from the Office of National Statistics there were 26 violent crimes per 1000 people in England and Whales.
If these hate crime incidents amounted to less than 1 per 1000 population before Brexit and after Brexit they increased by 50%, that would still be 1.5 per 1000 population.
In comparison robbery (the legal term I can't be bothered to find the exact definition of had a 3 per 1000 rate.
There isn't a gigantic fuss about robberies is there?
What I'm getting at is that based on the information presented I cannot judge properly whether or not this is a significant danger or people making a mountain out of a molehill.
Now I could probably find the per capita rate for these crimes. I couldn't do it in a few minutes, it's late and I can't be bothered to look more.
Another matter entirely is how reliable the classification of a violent crime into that category would be, but that is a different topic for another time.
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