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#75 - Seriously, this whole Apple-Samsung debate is just one giant d…  [+] (32 replies) 10/05/2012 on samsung vs apple +13
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#86 - pastmemories (10/05/2012) [-]
Except that Samsung doesn't buy from Foxconn, and thus promote atrociousness working conditions.
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#127 - silasdg (10/05/2012) [-]
You're right!

Though by proxy they do.

Here's a list of companies that buy from Foxconn

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[41]
Amazon.com (United States)[7]
Apple Inc. (United States)[42]
Cisco (United States)[43]
Dell (United States)[44]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[45]
Intel (United States)[46]
Microsoft (United States)[9]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[44]
Nintendo (Japan)[47]
Nokia (Finland)[42]
Sony (Japan)[8]
Toshiba (Japan) [48]
Vizio (United States)[49]

Any company that buy's from those has most likely at some point bought Foxconn products by proxy. Also by this example so has any person.
#76 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
Except that samsung isn't suing everyone.
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#82 - silasdg (10/05/2012) [-]
Every tech company sues everyone. It's a matter of copyright.

In the tech world if you don't sue over every tiny possible use it may be used against you later in court as why someone should be allowed to steal your product because you've "let others" It really is very sad
#88 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
All these patent snatching companies should be fucking shut down. Shouldn't ideas be a free market? Apple didn't invent shit, their software engineers did. Those engineers should just get royalty checks from all companies that use their ideas or something. They still get paid. No one should get to choose who can use what ideas except for the inventors themselves.

And the phone companies, you know they're fucking everyone up the ass, and they can charge us whatever ludicrous sum they want, because communication has become an essential part of living.

Same thing with insurance, retailers, and media distributors.
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#90 - silasdg (10/05/2012) [-]
Are you retarded? Those engineers are PAID to produce ideas. That's called a contract. Also there isn't one or two there are thousands and they generally make decent money.
Also By that logic the royalty check should go to the professors who taught the engineers what they know.

As someone who works in the industry I will tell you a secret. The fault lies with multiple law systems. Most law to some form says "if you allow one person or corporation you must allow another." in other words if you let me steal you must let someone else steal because by letting me steal you're setting an example. It isn't the companies fault it's the legal system.
#98 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
Don't insult me. I'm voicing an opinion. It might be biased by a lack of understanding, but that doesn't call for an immediately condescending response.

Don't blame the legal system, blame those who choose to exploit it.
Capitalism was designed to promote success among the truly determined. It has its flaws, and the corporations could definitely use more regulation, but if it's made too much of a federal affair, corruption from greed would simply transfer itself elsewhere.
If every company weren't so obsessed with profit and dominating the competition, maybe we would have some amount of equality. Wealth is power, and people care more about power than they do about the well being of others. It's sickening.
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#102 - silasdg (10/05/2012) [-]
There will always be those who exploit thats why we have a legal system. If the rules of the system allow exploitation than it needs to be changed.

Also my OPINION is that you're retarded for suggesting people who are payed to develop a product deserve more than what they've agreed to.
#114 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
They have little to no choice but to agree to whatever the corporation proposes.
With corporations that size, they can, and will, just throw you away and find someone else, simply for considering yourself more important than they perceive you from the top of their tower. They don't care... we're nothing to them but pawns.
There's clear logic in that, so please. Don't go calling names. Notice that I'm trying to be modest.
And you're definitely right. The system needs to be changed. The government concerns itself so much with the poor that it fails to notice the crime of the rich.
However my fear is that the more we sway towards government-sactioned goods and services, the more corruption will transfer itself into the government. Right now the only issue our government has is that our politicians are unreasonably conservative, simply for the sake of defending their reputation, leading us nowhere.
The issue is that these businessmen do not have that weight on their shoulders. Those with the most control can decide what direction the company takes, regardless of the opinion of consumers and workers, leading to layoffs and job outsourcing. Business is simply a different spectrum of politics, only corruption is much easier to get away with.
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#126 - silasdg (10/05/2012) [-]
No they are not. You're stating speculation as if it was fact. I know PLENTY of hardware and software engineers. It is like any other job market if you have a skill most people don't have than you get paid more for it. That's what free market is.

Second plenty of businesses take great care of their people. Take Intel and Google for example.

Intel as an example offers

High Pay, 2-4 months of payed sabbatical (vacation) every 5 years. 2-5 weeks of vacation every year (payed), payed holidays, Family Health Insurance, Company phone, computer, Some free food and drink, Stock Options, Money awards for good performance, high employee discounts, and more.

Googles situation is much the same.

FoxConn (an apple sourced manufacture) has many issues and mistreats labor. That is NOT engineer/design labor. Apples plant here is much like Intel and Google.

Nobody goes to school for 4-8+ years to be payed slave wages. There are great options out there for anyone in the industry. It is money filled and always growing.

#162 - infernoburrito (10/06/2012) [-]
I'm aware that there are companies who treat their employees right.
Those companies choose to make the right decisions but most companies do not.
Many don't even consider the people they are harming.
Perhaps because they don't know, perhaps because they don't care.
My grandfather fell into a depression after the company he worked for for over 35 years laid him off simply to cut budget for an increase in profit. It led to his death a year later.
Similarly, my mother was laid off two years ago under strikingly similar circumstances, a company whom she had worked over 20 years for.
You can continue to condescend to me like I'm some idiot, but my experience with corporate treatment of employees has been very different, so be a little more respectful.
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#163 - silasdg (10/06/2012) [-]
Don't make this about some sad family sop story. This is about you not knowing what you're talking about and then slandering companies as if it's fact. nothing other than that. That's what makes you an idiot.

"Apple didn't invent shit, their software engineers did. Those engineers should just get royalty checks from all companies that use their ideas or something."

I'll tell you another secret the more a company profits the more it expands the more expands the more jobs available. It's economics 101.

People get laid off it sucks but unfortunately it's necessary and if you have a better plan than implement it but DO NOT slander companies you know NOTHING about.

If you're going to lie i'm going to treat you like shit. So deal with it.
#165 - infernoburrito (10/06/2012) [-]
You're such an incredible asshole.
You must have never dealt with the hardships of life like I have or any of my friends have.
I was trying to make discussion and you turned it into argument. Quit acting like you're better than everyone. You know you could have just corrected my wrongs, stated your point, and maybe helped change my opinion, but no. You're too arrogantly rude for that. I don't give a fuck about any of the conversation anymore. I absolutely loathe interacting with people who just want to treat others like inferiors. You have no goddamned respect for others. You think just because you know a few things I might not means you can talk down to me? People like you make this world suck. I'll learn some of your economics once you learn some fucking manners.
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#164 - silasdg (10/06/2012) [-]
Also respect is earned not given so get over your "give me give me" attitude. Realize life is hard it sucks get over your shit everyone's got it but we all pick ourselves up and get over it.
#166 - infernoburrito (10/06/2012) [-]
Respect is something you should ALWAYS give, you ass.
That's why people don't get along, because they think just because they have more knowledge than another means they can talk down to them. You must piss off a lot of people who are simply too polite to say anything. You'd make a horrible teacher.
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#167 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
I'm going to tell you something

You're a lying piss of shit who doesn't deserve respect that's why I don't give it to you.
Also respect and manners are different. I'm polite to most people respect is something you earn. You have to show yourself worthy if you prove yourself a moron you will be treated as such.

Now for my backstory for your "hardships of life"

I started work in a lumber mill 40 hours a week at age 13.
Age 17 I became manager of a framing business.
Age 17 my father develops esophageal cancer.
Age 17-20 I have to support my entire family on my and pay insurance in order for my father to receive treatment. They live in texas while I live in nevada i'm alone sending all of my money to them in hopes of saving my dad.
Age 20 my father dies.
Age 21 I still support my family brothers and mother.
Age 21 I get hired on at a tech company.

That's a very short synopsis that leaves out a lot but the point being you would rather place blame on the rest of the world than look inward. It's lazy pieces shit like you who feel they deserve something simply for existing. In life you deserve nothing you earn everything.

So forgive me if I come across some asshole who slanders an industry that has created progress in our world far beyond what he could know and simply for not knowing believes he can claim anything.

There is nothing wrong with not knowing. There IS something wrong with not knowing but claiming to know. THATS WHY YOU'RE AN ASS.
#171 - infernoburrito (10/07/2012) [-]
Well that took you three tries to get right. Tell you what, I didn't read any of it anyway, cause I don't want to argue with you anymore. I'd rather not waste any more of my time with you calling me a... liar? I don't know how that works. Like, feel free to call me opinionated, but a liar? Not really. There's a solid difference between lying and not knowing. And I'm pretty fuckin ignorant sometimes, I'll give you that.
Anyway, you're just an internet douchebag, and I really don't care anymore. I will probably never encounter you in real life.
I finally managed to piss you off, too, so I'm done here.
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#172 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
You're a liar because you claim what you don't know is fact.
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#173 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
You're unhappy because i'm intolerant of your ignorance. No sir i'm intolerant of you spreading your ignorance like it's truth.
#174 - infernoburrito (10/07/2012) [-]
I never claimed that any of what I said was fact I simply state what I percieve
And I'm not really unhappy at the moment either.
And guess what? Intolerance is what makes people hate each other. That's why the world doesn't work right. Good to see you're helping keep things dysfunctional!
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#175 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
"All these patent snatching companies should be fucking shut down. Shouldn't ideas be a free market? Apple didn't invent shit, their software engineers did."

"They have little to no choice but to agree to whatever the corporation proposes. "

"They have little to no choice but to agree to whatever the corporation proposes. "

Those are just some of your claims on a topic you don't have the slightest understanding on.

Again i'll ask are you retarded? Intolerance to certain things is bad but not all intolerance is bad. This isn't gay marriage or segregation were talking about. Were talking about you being a liar.

Should I be tolerant of rape, thievery, murder? NO and i'm not tolerant of lying.

Also I thought you were done here?
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#177 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
In fact if you're not done here I am. I don't have anymore time to waste on you.

I can only hope you don't breed. Heh you'd probably waste half the child's life calling it a boy even if it's a girl simply because you were to lazy to look and figured you should be allowed to state whatever you want and call it your "opinion".

#176 - infernoburrito (10/07/2012) [-]
Oh right I'll do that now. See you chief have a nice day
by the way I don't really care much about the topic anymore, so you can keep taking everything I say out of context
Keep bein a douche to everyone I'm sure that's workin out for you
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#178 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
I want to say "tell me how its out of context" but to be honest I don't even care anymore. Arguing with you is like getting a colonoscopy from my podiatrist.

Again I thought you were gone before?

I guess it was always hard to get rid of a leech who provides nothing to society but spews tons of garbage.
#170 - silasdg (10/07/2012) [-]
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#78 - buttgauges (10/05/2012) [-]
Fun Fact: Yes they are!

Their cases just aren't blown up as much as the apple v.s. samsung one.
#79 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
Ah... You have a point.
I know they're both as guilty as the next, I'd just rather give my money to the company that doesn't insult my intelligence by treating me like I've never seen a computer before. And the one that isn't so unbelievably full of itself. And the one that sells you phones you don't have to jailbreak to get free apps.
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#80 - buttgauges (10/05/2012) [-]
xD Yeeep I'll agree with you there.
#81 - infernoburrito (10/05/2012) [-]
I like your username by the way.
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#84 - buttgauges (10/05/2012) [-]
Ah thank you, thank you. It's a name from the heart.
#155 - What most people don't realize is that Obama actually spoke fo…  [+] (2 replies) 10/05/2012 on Presidential Debate 0
#160 - ghondi (10/06/2012) [-]
I agree. It seemed like Obama got allot more time to talk and he still got his ass handed to him in the debate. Hard for him to fight back against the facts. Notice he didn't deny anything? lol 90 billion dollars to his campaign contributors. 700+ million cut from medicare? Obama is destroying us every day he is in office.
#157 - anon (10/05/2012) [-]
Bullshit man. Obama may have talked for longer, but romney dominated the conversations and didn't let shit drop till he was finished. If obama had the chance to keep responding till he was through with the subject too he might've come off better.
#158 - Picture 10/04/2012 on what a life :) 0