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#273 - Let me fix this comparison for you friend. 1 armed m…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/22/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time 0
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#274 - vorarephilia (08/22/2016) [-]
Ever try killing something with a hammer? I know a friend who hits mice on the head with a hammer to stun them for his reptiles. he sometimes needs two hits.

for a mouse.

Skulls are tough. three cops vs one dude with a hammer should have ended with just a concussion and anal fisting. this was the worst gay porn i've ever seen.
#272 - Our police are given a budget by their respective local govern… 08/22/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time 0
#271 - You threaten a life, you don't give up, you get no trial. 08/22/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time 0
#270 - You go right ahead and charge at someone that has a hammer and… 08/22/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time 0
#269 - Except I did pass ethics training, it is the first block, you idiot. 08/22/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time 0
#46 - I understand the confusion, sorry if I came off like an ass. I…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/20/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time +3
#50 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Of course, I was working on just as many assumptions about how they were equipped as you or anyone could have and I forget that different cities administer their budgets differently and don't always prioritize law enforcement.

I hope you crusade well and leave knowledge in your wake.
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#71 - linkeron (08/21/2016) [-]
I doubt the guy took more than two, three max, of those shots, and we clearly see him taking the first one in the lower abdomen, which is an easy enough wound to patch up, and none others in the front so the cop on the left only hit once.

I don't know how educated you are with guns, but placing successive shots on target in a high stress situation like that with adrenaline pumping through you is very difficult, even when properly trained. It takes talent and the ability to calm yourself FAST. Those guys were anything but calm. Hands shaky, not even sighted properly, camera cop lowered his weapon.

That wall ate more lead than the dude, he's fine. REALLY hating life right now, but fine.
#41 - True, you can play the what if game. Based on what I…  [+] (5 new replies) 08/20/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time +2
#88 - anon (08/21/2016) [-]
Can I play the what if game too?

The video begins with the guy standing in the door, calm. If there was a warrant to arrest him, what were the cops waiting for? Why did they allow him to go into the room to the tool-shelf, where potential weapons are clearly visible. A well trained police officer would not do that, if they suspected a person of a "dangerous crime". They would instantly grab the suspect and handcuff them.

It is, also, "interesting" that the part before he takes the hammer has no sound.

Then, he just stands there with the hammer, clearly being defensive, holding out his left hand in a gesture of keeping the cops away, saying "I've done nothing wrong here, I'm in my house, I'm doing nothing wrong".

Right before they shoot, you can tell by the camera movement that at least one of the cops moves towards him. That's when he raises the hammer, but without making a step forward. Again, that is defensive behaviour.

Then they all start shooting, I think six times.

Furthermore, when he takes the hammer, all they do is yelling at him highly aggressive. This also shows the poor training they received. This is not how a well trained police officer handles a situation, they would talk to the person calmly, trying to resolve the situation without violence. A good idea, for example, would have been to calmly ask him "what do you want with that hammer, mate, you wann hurt me? I'm just doing my job here, just comply, and if it's all a misunderstanding, it will be ok. Don't make this worse, man". Obviously, the guy felt threatened already, and being yelled at with several guns pointed at him, will not make him feel saver.

You said before there was no other way, which is a sad statement for a prospective cop. The very least they should have done is waiting for the guy to move towards them, and then they could've shot him in the legs.

But that's not how cops are trained in the US. They are trained to be afraid of everyone, even kids, and to respond to any disobedience not with diplomacy, but violence.
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#45 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Alright.
Thank you for your knowledge and for shedding some light on this video.

I was never trying to defend the citizen; if he committed the crime then the events that took place were just the pieces falling and he got what was coming to him.

Just at first glance and watch, it seemed like the situation could have been resolved nonlethally.
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#46 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
I understand the confusion, sorry if I came off like an ass. It just drives me up the wall when people accuse the cops instantly based on the news. I try to shed some light on the situation. I just wish people would consider that fact that what they see isn't always the whole story, ya know?

Sorry again. Have a nice day.
#50 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Of course, I was working on just as many assumptions about how they were equipped as you or anyone could have and I forget that different cities administer their budgets differently and don't always prioritize law enforcement.

I hope you crusade well and leave knowledge in your wake.
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#71 - linkeron (08/21/2016) [-]
I doubt the guy took more than two, three max, of those shots, and we clearly see him taking the first one in the lower abdomen, which is an easy enough wound to patch up, and none others in the front so the cop on the left only hit once.

I don't know how educated you are with guns, but placing successive shots on target in a high stress situation like that with adrenaline pumping through you is very difficult, even when properly trained. It takes talent and the ability to calm yourself FAST. Those guys were anything but calm. Hands shaky, not even sighted properly, camera cop lowered his weapon.

That wall ate more lead than the dude, he's fine. REALLY hating life right now, but fine.
#39 - I'm trying to make you understand that there WAS no other way.…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/20/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time +2
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#40 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Even if there were three officers and one man with a hammer?
What if one could call for backup?
What if one had a tazer instead?
What if all three charged?

We don't know everything in the video and I'm not doubting your knowledge since you're more knowledgeable than I by multitudes, but I think you're working with assumed facts about the department they're a part of.

I'm just here to play the "What if?" game.
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#168 - Daeiros (08/21/2016) [-]
Watch it again.
The man says, "I see you with the taser" and then jerks his arm back as if he is about to throw the hammer at him, and that is when the other two cops opened fire. They had no way of knowing that the man was just doing a pump fake to intimidate the cop who was getting ready to taser him, it seriously looked like he was about to potentially kill him. A thrown hammer can be fatal, hell, a thrown beer bottle can be fatal.
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#41 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
True, you can play the what if game.

Based on what I've learned from basic law enforcement training so far here is what I DO know:

1. They have a warrant for his arrest. And officer may NOT enter your home without consent or probably cause unless he has a warrant for your arrest, meaning they already have probably cause that he committed a crime.

2. It was a dangerous crime, such as robbery or larceny or murder because they brought more than two officers.

3. The officers probably did not have a taser or ranged stun weapon. If they did, they would have used them based on how we are taught. You start with the least deadly, and move up as the situation calls for it

Now I'll try to answer your questions:

What if one could call for backup? It would not have mattered much based on how the room was set up. It was a confined space with no way to surround the suspect.

What if one had a taser instead?
Answered above. If they had one, they would have used it unless they had suspicion that it would have killed him. I know that sounds dumb considering they are pointing guns, but they were warning him to drop his weapon.

What if all three charged?
One wide swing and you got one. Or hell, he might only hit one, but that is one officer that did not live, all for the life of a criminal that at this point would have spent at least 15 years in prison based on the crimes he committed right here, assuming he isn't a first time offender.
#88 - anon (08/21/2016) [-]
Can I play the what if game too?

The video begins with the guy standing in the door, calm. If there was a warrant to arrest him, what were the cops waiting for? Why did they allow him to go into the room to the tool-shelf, where potential weapons are clearly visible. A well trained police officer would not do that, if they suspected a person of a "dangerous crime". They would instantly grab the suspect and handcuff them.

It is, also, "interesting" that the part before he takes the hammer has no sound.

Then, he just stands there with the hammer, clearly being defensive, holding out his left hand in a gesture of keeping the cops away, saying "I've done nothing wrong here, I'm in my house, I'm doing nothing wrong".

Right before they shoot, you can tell by the camera movement that at least one of the cops moves towards him. That's when he raises the hammer, but without making a step forward. Again, that is defensive behaviour.

Then they all start shooting, I think six times.

Furthermore, when he takes the hammer, all they do is yelling at him highly aggressive. This also shows the poor training they received. This is not how a well trained police officer handles a situation, they would talk to the person calmly, trying to resolve the situation without violence. A good idea, for example, would have been to calmly ask him "what do you want with that hammer, mate, you wann hurt me? I'm just doing my job here, just comply, and if it's all a misunderstanding, it will be ok. Don't make this worse, man". Obviously, the guy felt threatened already, and being yelled at with several guns pointed at him, will not make him feel saver.

You said before there was no other way, which is a sad statement for a prospective cop. The very least they should have done is waiting for the guy to move towards them, and then they could've shot him in the legs.

But that's not how cops are trained in the US. They are trained to be afraid of everyone, even kids, and to respond to any disobedience not with diplomacy, but violence.
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#45 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Alright.
Thank you for your knowledge and for shedding some light on this video.

I was never trying to defend the citizen; if he committed the crime then the events that took place were just the pieces falling and he got what was coming to him.

Just at first glance and watch, it seemed like the situation could have been resolved nonlethally.
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#46 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
I understand the confusion, sorry if I came off like an ass. It just drives me up the wall when people accuse the cops instantly based on the news. I try to shed some light on the situation. I just wish people would consider that fact that what they see isn't always the whole story, ya know?

Sorry again. Have a nice day.
#50 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Of course, I was working on just as many assumptions about how they were equipped as you or anyone could have and I forget that different cities administer their budgets differently and don't always prioritize law enforcement.

I hope you crusade well and leave knowledge in your wake.
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#71 - linkeron (08/21/2016) [-]
I doubt the guy took more than two, three max, of those shots, and we clearly see him taking the first one in the lower abdomen, which is an easy enough wound to patch up, and none others in the front so the cop on the left only hit once.

I don't know how educated you are with guns, but placing successive shots on target in a high stress situation like that with adrenaline pumping through you is very difficult, even when properly trained. It takes talent and the ability to calm yourself FAST. Those guys were anything but calm. Hands shaky, not even sighted properly, camera cop lowered his weapon.

That wall ate more lead than the dude, he's fine. REALLY hating life right now, but fine.
#37 - They asked him numerous times to drop it. He did not drop he. …  [+] (14 new replies) 08/20/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time +1
#252 - installation (08/21/2016) [-]
> Dindu does something
"Why do people blame society? Just blame the individuals. They're responsible for their actions."
>Cop does something
"It's not the cop's fault, it was society! It's not their fault!"
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#38 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
I'm not placing blame on anyone.

I've stated numerous times that I understood the decision to open fire.
I've only stated that the situation could have played out differently to where nobody had to die.

Why do you want to keep fighting me when there's no cause to? I'm agreeing with you and not on any opposing side to you.
If you want to argue with me because I'm stating my thoughts that the situation could have been different, then why is there a comments section?
#302 - anon (08/23/2016) [-]
You're right, nobody had to die. All that really needed to happen was for the man with the hammer to have simply...not wielded it at armed police officers.
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#51 - tandemwarelephant (08/20/2016) [-]
>I've stated numerous times that I understood the decision to open fire.
>I've only stated that the situation could have played out differently to where nobody had to die.

ANY confrontation with police that ends in violence and/or death could have been handled differently. The man is dead, he could have lived. We all can at least agree on that. If you say it could have been handled differently it makes it seem as if you aren't listening.
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#52 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
I guess, in hindsight, saying "Could have been different." is pretty redundant.
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#39 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
I'm trying to make you understand that there WAS no other way. You keep saying there was, but there wasn't.
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#40 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Even if there were three officers and one man with a hammer?
What if one could call for backup?
What if one had a tazer instead?
What if all three charged?

We don't know everything in the video and I'm not doubting your knowledge since you're more knowledgeable than I by multitudes, but I think you're working with assumed facts about the department they're a part of.

I'm just here to play the "What if?" game.
User avatar
#168 - Daeiros (08/21/2016) [-]
Watch it again.
The man says, "I see you with the taser" and then jerks his arm back as if he is about to throw the hammer at him, and that is when the other two cops opened fire. They had no way of knowing that the man was just doing a pump fake to intimidate the cop who was getting ready to taser him, it seriously looked like he was about to potentially kill him. A thrown hammer can be fatal, hell, a thrown beer bottle can be fatal.
User avatar
#41 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
True, you can play the what if game.

Based on what I've learned from basic law enforcement training so far here is what I DO know:

1. They have a warrant for his arrest. And officer may NOT enter your home without consent or probably cause unless he has a warrant for your arrest, meaning they already have probably cause that he committed a crime.

2. It was a dangerous crime, such as robbery or larceny or murder because they brought more than two officers.

3. The officers probably did not have a taser or ranged stun weapon. If they did, they would have used them based on how we are taught. You start with the least deadly, and move up as the situation calls for it

Now I'll try to answer your questions:

What if one could call for backup? It would not have mattered much based on how the room was set up. It was a confined space with no way to surround the suspect.

What if one had a taser instead?
Answered above. If they had one, they would have used it unless they had suspicion that it would have killed him. I know that sounds dumb considering they are pointing guns, but they were warning him to drop his weapon.

What if all three charged?
One wide swing and you got one. Or hell, he might only hit one, but that is one officer that did not live, all for the life of a criminal that at this point would have spent at least 15 years in prison based on the crimes he committed right here, assuming he isn't a first time offender.
#88 - anon (08/21/2016) [-]
Can I play the what if game too?

The video begins with the guy standing in the door, calm. If there was a warrant to arrest him, what were the cops waiting for? Why did they allow him to go into the room to the tool-shelf, where potential weapons are clearly visible. A well trained police officer would not do that, if they suspected a person of a "dangerous crime". They would instantly grab the suspect and handcuff them.

It is, also, "interesting" that the part before he takes the hammer has no sound.

Then, he just stands there with the hammer, clearly being defensive, holding out his left hand in a gesture of keeping the cops away, saying "I've done nothing wrong here, I'm in my house, I'm doing nothing wrong".

Right before they shoot, you can tell by the camera movement that at least one of the cops moves towards him. That's when he raises the hammer, but without making a step forward. Again, that is defensive behaviour.

Then they all start shooting, I think six times.

Furthermore, when he takes the hammer, all they do is yelling at him highly aggressive. This also shows the poor training they received. This is not how a well trained police officer handles a situation, they would talk to the person calmly, trying to resolve the situation without violence. A good idea, for example, would have been to calmly ask him "what do you want with that hammer, mate, you wann hurt me? I'm just doing my job here, just comply, and if it's all a misunderstanding, it will be ok. Don't make this worse, man". Obviously, the guy felt threatened already, and being yelled at with several guns pointed at him, will not make him feel saver.

You said before there was no other way, which is a sad statement for a prospective cop. The very least they should have done is waiting for the guy to move towards them, and then they could've shot him in the legs.

But that's not how cops are trained in the US. They are trained to be afraid of everyone, even kids, and to respond to any disobedience not with diplomacy, but violence.
User avatar
#45 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Alright.
Thank you for your knowledge and for shedding some light on this video.

I was never trying to defend the citizen; if he committed the crime then the events that took place were just the pieces falling and he got what was coming to him.

Just at first glance and watch, it seemed like the situation could have been resolved nonlethally.
User avatar
#46 - sandmansniper (08/20/2016) [-]
I understand the confusion, sorry if I came off like an ass. It just drives me up the wall when people accuse the cops instantly based on the news. I try to shed some light on the situation. I just wish people would consider that fact that what they see isn't always the whole story, ya know?

Sorry again. Have a nice day.
#50 - strigt (08/20/2016) [-]
Of course, I was working on just as many assumptions about how they were equipped as you or anyone could have and I forget that different cities administer their budgets differently and don't always prioritize law enforcement.

I hope you crusade well and leave knowledge in your wake.
User avatar
#71 - linkeron (08/21/2016) [-]
I doubt the guy took more than two, three max, of those shots, and we clearly see him taking the first one in the lower abdomen, which is an easy enough wound to patch up, and none others in the front so the cop on the left only hit once.

I don't know how educated you are with guns, but placing successive shots on target in a high stress situation like that with adrenaline pumping through you is very difficult, even when properly trained. It takes talent and the ability to calm yourself FAST. Those guys were anything but calm. Hands shaky, not even sighted properly, camera cop lowered his weapon.

That wall ate more lead than the dude, he's fine. REALLY hating life right now, but fine.
#34 - Most departments can't afford tasers.  [+] (3 new replies) 08/20/2016 on This is no longer Hammer Time +1
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#105 - evilhomer (08/21/2016) [-]
I mean I thought my countries police is underpaid as fuck but it's mandatory part of their arsenal to have pepper spray and a taser.
I now feel bad for the cops and their wages if that's the situation
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#272 - sandmansniper (08/22/2016) [-]
Our police are given a budget by their respective local governments. If the people hate them, they get less money, and don't get better equipment.
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#57 - tandemwarelephant (08/20/2016) [-]
After reading your comments, I have to retract what I previously said. Soldier on, bro.
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