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#262 - That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will…  [+] (9 replies) 7 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
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#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
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#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
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#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
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#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
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#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
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#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
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#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.
#260 - I didn't say religion was required to be good. I don't think I…  [+] (11 replies) 7 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#261 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure quite a lot of some of the worst people alive are religious as well. Now I'm interested in what you think should happen when people like myself or my friends and girlfriend who don't believe in God die? Do we deserve eternal punishment for the crime of disbelief despite living otherwise goodly lives?
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#262 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will judge you when your time comes. I do hope that you get into heaven.
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#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
User avatar
#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
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#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
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#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
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#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
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#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
User avatar
#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
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#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.
#258 - Oh, please. People aren't born generous or kind. Do you know h…  [+] (13 replies) 7 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#259 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Religion of any kind is not required to be a good person. What about people like myself who don't believe in any kind of God yet we manage to be good people? Do you think I deserve to go to hell for disbelief even though I live a good life?
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#260 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I didn't say religion was required to be good. I don't think I even implied as much. However, it is true that the most charitable people in the world are Christian conservatives.
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#261 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure quite a lot of some of the worst people alive are religious as well. Now I'm interested in what you think should happen when people like myself or my friends and girlfriend who don't believe in God die? Do we deserve eternal punishment for the crime of disbelief despite living otherwise goodly lives?
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#262 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will judge you when your time comes. I do hope that you get into heaven.
User avatar
#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
User avatar
#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
User avatar
#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
User avatar
#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
User avatar
#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
#267 - kibuza has deleted their comment.
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#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
User avatar
#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
User avatar
#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.
#256 - Because all of his direct actions so far mentioned (in the bib…  [+] (15 replies) 8 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#257 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
So you think he's good because the Bible tells you he's good. The Quran tells us that Allah is good. Do you believe that?

And this is probably the thing that I hate about religion the most is it's terrible opinion of humanity. We're all pieces of shit and we only exist to worship God because he's just so much better than us. We should all love him for loving pieces of shit like us. Oh just ignore the fact that if you don't love him he'll torture you for all eternity. Sure sounds like a loving fellow doesn't he?

I don't know about you, but if I had children and they didn't love me I wouldn't lock them in the basement. Especially not for ETERNITY. No possible crime deserves never ending punishment and someone who believes it does is an absolute piece of shit in my eyes. If I also happened to be an Omnipotent being I would not allow it if I truly loved my creation.
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#258 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
Oh, please. People aren't born generous or kind. Do you know how cruel children are to each other? Compassion has to be taught. Yes, we are all sinners and we deserve to go to hell, but God gives us the option to choose a way out. If you choose not to love him, follow his rules, or repent that is your decision to make, but don't blame God for that.

As far as your first point is concerned, for the most part, Muslims and Christians believe in a similar God. I won't fault them for their beliefs and none of the ones I've talked to fault me for mine. Because God is good and allows us to choose what we believe. Believe what you want. I'll continue worship my father.
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#259 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Religion of any kind is not required to be a good person. What about people like myself who don't believe in any kind of God yet we manage to be good people? Do you think I deserve to go to hell for disbelief even though I live a good life?
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#260 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I didn't say religion was required to be good. I don't think I even implied as much. However, it is true that the most charitable people in the world are Christian conservatives.
User avatar
#261 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure quite a lot of some of the worst people alive are religious as well. Now I'm interested in what you think should happen when people like myself or my friends and girlfriend who don't believe in God die? Do we deserve eternal punishment for the crime of disbelief despite living otherwise goodly lives?
User avatar
#262 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will judge you when your time comes. I do hope that you get into heaven.
User avatar
#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
User avatar
#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
User avatar
#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
User avatar
#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
User avatar
#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
#267 - kibuza has deleted their comment.
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#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
User avatar
#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
User avatar
#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.
#254 - Why? For choosing a greater good? God is good. Him asking me t…  [+] (17 replies) 8 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#255 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
How do you know God is good?
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#256 - sagedivinity (8 hours ago) [-]
Because all of his direct actions so far mentioned (in the bible) have led to a good outcome. Becuase he treats us better than we deserve despite us torturing him when he came to save us. Because he hates sin but loves us despite us being sinners.
User avatar
#257 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
So you think he's good because the Bible tells you he's good. The Quran tells us that Allah is good. Do you believe that?

And this is probably the thing that I hate about religion the most is it's terrible opinion of humanity. We're all pieces of shit and we only exist to worship God because he's just so much better than us. We should all love him for loving pieces of shit like us. Oh just ignore the fact that if you don't love him he'll torture you for all eternity. Sure sounds like a loving fellow doesn't he?

I don't know about you, but if I had children and they didn't love me I wouldn't lock them in the basement. Especially not for ETERNITY. No possible crime deserves never ending punishment and someone who believes it does is an absolute piece of shit in my eyes. If I also happened to be an Omnipotent being I would not allow it if I truly loved my creation.
User avatar
#258 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
Oh, please. People aren't born generous or kind. Do you know how cruel children are to each other? Compassion has to be taught. Yes, we are all sinners and we deserve to go to hell, but God gives us the option to choose a way out. If you choose not to love him, follow his rules, or repent that is your decision to make, but don't blame God for that.

As far as your first point is concerned, for the most part, Muslims and Christians believe in a similar God. I won't fault them for their beliefs and none of the ones I've talked to fault me for mine. Because God is good and allows us to choose what we believe. Believe what you want. I'll continue worship my father.
User avatar
#259 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Religion of any kind is not required to be a good person. What about people like myself who don't believe in any kind of God yet we manage to be good people? Do you think I deserve to go to hell for disbelief even though I live a good life?
User avatar
#260 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I didn't say religion was required to be good. I don't think I even implied as much. However, it is true that the most charitable people in the world are Christian conservatives.
User avatar
#261 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure quite a lot of some of the worst people alive are religious as well. Now I'm interested in what you think should happen when people like myself or my friends and girlfriend who don't believe in God die? Do we deserve eternal punishment for the crime of disbelief despite living otherwise goodly lives?
User avatar
#262 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will judge you when your time comes. I do hope that you get into heaven.
User avatar
#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
User avatar
#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
User avatar
#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
User avatar
#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
User avatar
#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
#267 - kibuza has deleted their comment.
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#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
User avatar
#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
User avatar
#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.
#251 - I would if I knew for sure it was God. Because if it is really…  [+] (20 replies) 8 hours ago on Almighty Ambiguity 0
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#253 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
I will gladly burn for all eternity with the knowledge that I am better than your God and I refused to be bullied and threatened in to accepting his tyrannical rule.
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#252 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
Then you are morally bankrupt and I pity you.
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#254 - sagedivinity (8 hours ago) [-]
Why? For choosing a greater good? God is good. Him asking me to kill one individual could only lead to a good outcome. Maby the child he asked me to kill was a serial killer. Now there is one less serial killer.
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#255 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
How do you know God is good?
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#256 - sagedivinity (8 hours ago) [-]
Because all of his direct actions so far mentioned (in the bible) have led to a good outcome. Becuase he treats us better than we deserve despite us torturing him when he came to save us. Because he hates sin but loves us despite us being sinners.
User avatar
#257 - kibuza (8 hours ago) [-]
So you think he's good because the Bible tells you he's good. The Quran tells us that Allah is good. Do you believe that?

And this is probably the thing that I hate about religion the most is it's terrible opinion of humanity. We're all pieces of shit and we only exist to worship God because he's just so much better than us. We should all love him for loving pieces of shit like us. Oh just ignore the fact that if you don't love him he'll torture you for all eternity. Sure sounds like a loving fellow doesn't he?

I don't know about you, but if I had children and they didn't love me I wouldn't lock them in the basement. Especially not for ETERNITY. No possible crime deserves never ending punishment and someone who believes it does is an absolute piece of shit in my eyes. If I also happened to be an Omnipotent being I would not allow it if I truly loved my creation.
User avatar
#258 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
Oh, please. People aren't born generous or kind. Do you know how cruel children are to each other? Compassion has to be taught. Yes, we are all sinners and we deserve to go to hell, but God gives us the option to choose a way out. If you choose not to love him, follow his rules, or repent that is your decision to make, but don't blame God for that.

As far as your first point is concerned, for the most part, Muslims and Christians believe in a similar God. I won't fault them for their beliefs and none of the ones I've talked to fault me for mine. Because God is good and allows us to choose what we believe. Believe what you want. I'll continue worship my father.
User avatar
#259 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Religion of any kind is not required to be a good person. What about people like myself who don't believe in any kind of God yet we manage to be good people? Do you think I deserve to go to hell for disbelief even though I live a good life?
User avatar
#260 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I didn't say religion was required to be good. I don't think I even implied as much. However, it is true that the most charitable people in the world are Christian conservatives.
User avatar
#261 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure quite a lot of some of the worst people alive are religious as well. Now I'm interested in what you think should happen when people like myself or my friends and girlfriend who don't believe in God die? Do we deserve eternal punishment for the crime of disbelief despite living otherwise goodly lives?
User avatar
#262 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
That's not for me to decide because I don't know you, God will judge you when your time comes. I do hope that you get into heaven.
User avatar
#269 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
And don't feel like you need to be polite to me. Rip me a new one. Tell me what you really think. This is how we have good, honest discussions.
User avatar
#272 - kibuza (6 hours ago) [-]
Alright well I guess we've hit a wall then since you're just repeating the same thing now. Unless something drastic happens, I don't plan on changing my beliefs anytime soon.

It's been good talking with you. I don't believe you are, but I hope you're right about heaven. I just hope you're wrong about the requirements for entrance.
User avatar
#268 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
So despite everything else good that I do, just because I do not believe in your God I deserve eternal punishment. You don't see anything wrong with that? Come on man.

And again here we are back to the sins of the father. I never tortured Jesus. I never betrayed him. I don't believe in him, but I'm not sure you could count that as a betrayal as he's never felt the need to reveal himself to me. Why do I deserve punishment for what some people did thousands of years ago? I wouldn't torture him if he showed up now, not for fear of being punished but because I'd never torture anybody.

The sins of the father do not carry on to the son, and to believe they do is just evil.
User avatar
#271 - sagedivinity (6 hours ago) [-]
I think you're missing one key point. As good as you may be compared to other people, that does not mean you're good. We are all sinners and we all deserve to be punished. You have sinned, same as everyone one else and deserve to be punished, same as everyone else. But, by the grace and mercy of God you can be forgiven same as everyone else. You need only to come to him sincerely and repent.
User avatar
#265 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
Ok, so I'm going to hell in your opinion is basically what you're saying without actually saying it. I do not love your God and if anything he should be asking humanity for forgiveness.

I like you more just because deep down you know it's unjust. That's why you don't want to say it. You're at least slightly better than the fanatics who openly proclaim their death cult.
#267 - kibuza has deleted their comment.
User avatar
#266 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I am speaking in gentler terms because that's the nice thing to do. I don't think hell as a punishment for a life of sin is unjust at all.

Why should God ask for our forgiveness when we betrayed and tortured?
User avatar
#263 - kibuza (7 hours ago) [-]
I thought that rejection of God or Jesus as my lord and savior was the worst possible crime anyone could commit? My grandparents certainly told me so. I already told you that I don't believe in your God, so in knowing that, where do you think I would go when I die based on your God's rules?

You know what the answer is, you just don't want to say it because deep down you know it's an unfair, unjust punishment.
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#264 - sagedivinity (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't know if God considers any one sin greater than another. As I said already, you need to love him and repent to get into heaven. God will judge you according to your actions and I hope you get in.