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#60 - I wouldn't say he deserved it, unfortunate event, much like a …  [+] (3 new replies) 11/24/2014 on not every one is evil +3
#63 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack the individual officers, I just. I dunno, these people died, killed by the people who were sworn to protect and serve.

That Crawford fella got killed by the people he was taught to call if he was in danger, it just makes me sick to my stomach.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm a white, 20-year old college male. But America prides itself on justice and everyone having their day in court, and then shit like this happens. Where was his innocent until proven guilty?

Maybe, for these specific police officers (the ones who kill innocents, but have a reasonable right to do so) they should be stripped of their job, and no longer allowed to "protect and serve" in lieu of the jail time a civilian would receive? Just an idea.
#77 - omgroflzomg (11/25/2014) [-]
that crawford fella? you mean the guy walking around the store with an air rifle? 911 was called by bystanders that he was waving around a gun. When the police got there he didnt do what he was told. Your comment on it makes no sense.
#79 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
He was walking around a Walmart with a BB gun that they had on their shelves???

A bystander called and said "there's an individual pointing a gun at people, he's reloading"

Here's the fucking video of it. He had LITERALLY TWO SECONDS to respond before he was fired upon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGNIc71Wus

Keep in mind, he was on the phone, and NOT committing any crime, he had absolutely ZERO reason to expect orders being barked at him by police.

If the police believed there to be an ACTIVE shooter, why the FUCK were shoppers walking around willy nilly!? Situational awareness is a skill all police officers should have, these ones clearly didn't have it.
#54 - Of course I wouldn't in a case of emotional bias. Would you l…  [+] (13 new replies) 11/24/2014 on not every one is evil +1
#58 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
But when they make these mistakes, these fatal, life shattering mistakes, nothing happens to them? There's something wrong with that.

Also, during the 911 call the dispatcher was told that the gun was "probably fake" given, the police likely weren't told that, but seriously... tasers and stun guns exist for the exact purpose to incapacitate without killing. Why aren't cops trained more in the use of non-lethal tactics?

I don't think it's about race. At least, to me it isn't. It's just the fact that cops do these things, they take these peoples' lives, for committing literally no crime, and they get paid leave or a "restrictive duty." Whereas an average citizen could face 25 years for involuntary manslaughter for doing the EXACT same thing without the badge.

I just think that everyone, including police officers, should be punished for taking another person's life based on assumptions, especially those that later prove to be untrue.

It seems weird that people are chastising a 12-year old's actions more than a grown, trained, professional's actions. "The kid reached for his waistline, he deserved it" I mean, he's a kid, kids are fucking retarded, but it seems like more people are saying that than "the cop could have done literally anything differently, the cop who has had extensive training for these exact situations."

Why do you think that is?
User avatar #100 - missaddie (11/25/2014) [-]
Also (sorry) I don't think the kid did it but I assure you I'm positive that police officer feels horrible. It's an irredeemable act and not many officers take it lightly, it's a shame the media these days (and that wretched cop block) only use biased articles and opinions and post everything against police. He was 12, so different measures should have been taken, but the situation presented is alarming and calls for a fast response. The officer didn't know and it's their duty to not take that risk and allow someone else or themselves to get shot, and that's weird logic since they shoot others but it's a serious decision and he made the wrong one. My boyfriend's dad who is a police officer shot a man once and he told me that he regrets it to this day but the only reason he shot is the guy was coming at him with a machete high on heroin. That's entirely different than a 12 year old, though
#106 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
Yeah, I really don't think there are as many 'bad apple cops' as those kind of websites claim.

I'm sure (at least, I REALLY hope) the cop feels bad. Not that he did anything wrong, just that, ya know, death.. I'd hope anyone whose killed before feels bad about it. Except Seal team 6. "Merica.

But, yeah, I agree, in regards to the cop had justifed(ish) actions. I just wanted people to at least think about how it would be as a kid. I understand the cop was scared for his life, but can you imagine how the kid felt?? Shit, scares me just thinking about it.

But, at the same time, when these kinds of mistakes are made, is it not unsafe to the public to keep that cop on the payroll? I'm not saying lock him up or anything, but he made an active decision that cost someone their life. I didn't wanna use the word mistake lol
User avatar #81 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
What if you were trying to protect yourself from DYING, so that you could go home to your wife and kids, so you shot someone before they shot you?

How would you feel knowing that your life is going to be ruined now, for trying to defend yourself?
#92 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
That's just the thing though; lets say that I, as a citizen, were standing between an assumed that's a key word threat, acted upon that assumption, and killed someone.
Then, if it came to light that the individual wasn't a threat at all, I'd be taken into custody and charged with murder. Hell, if he WAS armed, I'd still get taken in for questioning. Taken in as in arrested pending charges.

Assumptions are not fact, they're judgement calls, and if I made a bad one and it resulted in a 12-year old dying, I sure as hell wouldn't be getting paid leave for it.

Seriously, all that I'm saying is that police need to be policed. As it stands now, they just have way too much power to say "oh, I THOUGHT he was going to attack me, I had to kill him." and just walk away, that seems like a serious problem we need to deal with. Humans are susceptible to corruption, all of them, so why do we give such huge power to so many people?

I'm not trying to say all cops are corrupt or anything, but there are some, that can't be argued.

Again, I'll call the Crawford case into question. Imagine you had a bb gun you planned on purchasing, but had to buy tampons for your wife first. While trying to find those goddamn impossible ones she just HAS TO HAVE, you hear a scream, then a bullet hits your chest. Your life is ruined, that's it, game. For tampons. The worst part? Everyone knows exactly what happened, you did nothing wrong, but your murders? Well, they thought you were a threat, tough luck.

Seriously, that's exactly what happened, no bullshit. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGNIc71Wus

There, right there, is the problem. A life is worth more than "sorry, our bad" it just... is. Someone needs to pay for the death of the innocent, and I think it should be the gunman. Cop or not.
User avatar #99 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
You would get charged because you're not a cop, you would have no business to be in that situation in the first place, whereas being a cop has different implications.


YES, police DO need to be policed!
But not in cases like this where they do something most logical people would do.

Yes, a life is worth more than "sorry, our bad", but that doesn't mean someone has to pay for just doing their job.
#107 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
Agreed. To an extent, but yes, I agree.
User avatar #114 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
Hey man, when it calls for it, i'll be right with you making the same points you do, but in this particular case I don't think the cop is a bad person.

I bet you the cop feels horrible and will die thinking about what he did, not to say that he is punished as bad as the kid that died, but still he didn't get off scott free.
#115 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
I completely understand where you're coming from, man. I really do. And, if it means anything, I'm absolutely with you, he really didn't get off scott free, now that I think about it.
User avatar #60 - rhiaanor (11/24/2014) [-]
I wouldn't say he deserved it, unfortunate event, much like a man who would have adopted me if not for his own unfortunate event, when he was street racing, albeit bad, but he got 17 years for manslaughter when he drove away from his opponent who fell off the rode and 2 of the passengers had died. Not his fault, but he still got 17 years of jail time for it, this peaceful man who could never harm a fly. I don't blame the cops, or the law, ofcourse sometimes I hear stories of kids getting away with the same thing and that kind of ticks me off, but regardless. It was neither's "fault" it was a case of two misunderstandings that led to an unfortunate event. Neither can be really blame, even though society ALWAYS has to have someone at fault.
#63 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack the individual officers, I just. I dunno, these people died, killed by the people who were sworn to protect and serve.

That Crawford fella got killed by the people he was taught to call if he was in danger, it just makes me sick to my stomach.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm a white, 20-year old college male. But America prides itself on justice and everyone having their day in court, and then shit like this happens. Where was his innocent until proven guilty?

Maybe, for these specific police officers (the ones who kill innocents, but have a reasonable right to do so) they should be stripped of their job, and no longer allowed to "protect and serve" in lieu of the jail time a civilian would receive? Just an idea.
#77 - omgroflzomg (11/25/2014) [-]
that crawford fella? you mean the guy walking around the store with an air rifle? 911 was called by bystanders that he was waving around a gun. When the police got there he didnt do what he was told. Your comment on it makes no sense.
#79 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
He was walking around a Walmart with a BB gun that they had on their shelves???

A bystander called and said "there's an individual pointing a gun at people, he's reloading"

Here's the fucking video of it. He had LITERALLY TWO SECONDS to respond before he was fired upon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGNIc71Wus

Keep in mind, he was on the phone, and NOT committing any crime, he had absolutely ZERO reason to expect orders being barked at him by police.

If the police believed there to be an ACTIVE shooter, why the FUCK were shoppers walking around willy nilly!? Situational awareness is a skill all police officers should have, these ones clearly didn't have it.
#28 - I love how people think that guns don't do anything in the han…  [+] (18 new replies) 11/24/2014 on not every one is evil +4
#49 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
Nobody said that?

Also, sure, a gun can do plenty in the hands of a minor, a toy gun cannot.

Seriously, what crime did this kid commit? Did you not have airsoft guns growing up? My money says the kid was reaching for the gun to prove his innocence, to show the police it was just a fucking toy.

He was 12 goddamn years old, it didn't register to him how threatening the situation was. I'm 20, and I don't know how badly I'd freeze up if I was approached by officers with drawn weapons; he was 12.

I want you to think, really, truly, think. How would you feel if you got a knock on your door, by police officers, who told you your 12 year old kid didn't do EXACTLY as the police said, and was killed because of it. Would you just say "eh, he deserved it"?

That being said, how would you feel if the police came to your door and said "your son was playing with a toy gun, a citizen saw him point it at someone else and; assuming it was a life threatening situation, that individual killed your kid. Also, we're not going to press charges on him, he didn't REALLY do anything wrong, your kid kinda deserved it."

It seems more and more like police are killing absolutely innocent people and walking away from ANY CHARGES based on the fact that "they thought one thing, and were wrong, but they still thought that one thing so, ya know, sorry, family of the deceased."

inb4 you fucks think I'm talking about Ferguson; I'm talking about John Crawford.
User avatar #98 - missaddie (11/25/2014) [-]
It's not the cop's fault. If you were in his shoes and you see kids shooting everything left and right all the time and a kid reaches for his waistband do you think 'oh haha he's just toying with me?' No, you think about your family and your life and what would happen to you if they got shot. I believe the officer could have incapacitated him by shooting in the leg or somewhere not fatal but who's to say the kid couldn't still whip out the gun and kill him or someone else?
#103 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
Again, I'm not trying to push blame to any individual. I just think the system could be amended.

For instance, why are cops given guns standard issue, but not tasers? Why are they taught more how to kill, than how to safely incapacitate? They were 10 feet away from the kid when they shot him. Easily close enough for a clear shot with a stun-gun.

Seriously, my brother-in-law is a police officer, and I've talked to him about it. They are literally taught "chest-chest-head" when shooting, and while gun usage, safety, and CLEANING all have their places in the curriculum, use of tasers are a private, voluntary lecture. BUT, I live in Texas, so, I mean, that could explain it...

For an occupation that hold the tagline "protect and serve" it just seems so strange how little time they spend getting taught safer methods to stop a threat.
User avatar #104 - missaddie (11/25/2014) [-]
Oh yeah I agree I didn't mean to imply anything against you
User avatar #54 - rhiaanor (11/24/2014) [-]
Of course I wouldn't in a case of emotional bias. Would you like hitler if you heard his mother cried when he died? No, no you wouldnt forgive all his problems. They are given the responsibility of the badge, and are forced to take everything seriously, regardless of how rediculous it is, or how unlikely.
#58 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
But when they make these mistakes, these fatal, life shattering mistakes, nothing happens to them? There's something wrong with that.

Also, during the 911 call the dispatcher was told that the gun was "probably fake" given, the police likely weren't told that, but seriously... tasers and stun guns exist for the exact purpose to incapacitate without killing. Why aren't cops trained more in the use of non-lethal tactics?

I don't think it's about race. At least, to me it isn't. It's just the fact that cops do these things, they take these peoples' lives, for committing literally no crime, and they get paid leave or a "restrictive duty." Whereas an average citizen could face 25 years for involuntary manslaughter for doing the EXACT same thing without the badge.

I just think that everyone, including police officers, should be punished for taking another person's life based on assumptions, especially those that later prove to be untrue.

It seems weird that people are chastising a 12-year old's actions more than a grown, trained, professional's actions. "The kid reached for his waistline, he deserved it" I mean, he's a kid, kids are fucking retarded, but it seems like more people are saying that than "the cop could have done literally anything differently, the cop who has had extensive training for these exact situations."

Why do you think that is?
User avatar #100 - missaddie (11/25/2014) [-]
Also (sorry) I don't think the kid did it but I assure you I'm positive that police officer feels horrible. It's an irredeemable act and not many officers take it lightly, it's a shame the media these days (and that wretched cop block) only use biased articles and opinions and post everything against police. He was 12, so different measures should have been taken, but the situation presented is alarming and calls for a fast response. The officer didn't know and it's their duty to not take that risk and allow someone else or themselves to get shot, and that's weird logic since they shoot others but it's a serious decision and he made the wrong one. My boyfriend's dad who is a police officer shot a man once and he told me that he regrets it to this day but the only reason he shot is the guy was coming at him with a machete high on heroin. That's entirely different than a 12 year old, though
#106 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
Yeah, I really don't think there are as many 'bad apple cops' as those kind of websites claim.

I'm sure (at least, I REALLY hope) the cop feels bad. Not that he did anything wrong, just that, ya know, death.. I'd hope anyone whose killed before feels bad about it. Except Seal team 6. "Merica.

But, yeah, I agree, in regards to the cop had justifed(ish) actions. I just wanted people to at least think about how it would be as a kid. I understand the cop was scared for his life, but can you imagine how the kid felt?? Shit, scares me just thinking about it.

But, at the same time, when these kinds of mistakes are made, is it not unsafe to the public to keep that cop on the payroll? I'm not saying lock him up or anything, but he made an active decision that cost someone their life. I didn't wanna use the word mistake lol
User avatar #81 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
What if you were trying to protect yourself from DYING, so that you could go home to your wife and kids, so you shot someone before they shot you?

How would you feel knowing that your life is going to be ruined now, for trying to defend yourself?
#92 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
That's just the thing though; lets say that I, as a citizen, were standing between an assumed that's a key word threat, acted upon that assumption, and killed someone.
Then, if it came to light that the individual wasn't a threat at all, I'd be taken into custody and charged with murder. Hell, if he WAS armed, I'd still get taken in for questioning. Taken in as in arrested pending charges.

Assumptions are not fact, they're judgement calls, and if I made a bad one and it resulted in a 12-year old dying, I sure as hell wouldn't be getting paid leave for it.

Seriously, all that I'm saying is that police need to be policed. As it stands now, they just have way too much power to say "oh, I THOUGHT he was going to attack me, I had to kill him." and just walk away, that seems like a serious problem we need to deal with. Humans are susceptible to corruption, all of them, so why do we give such huge power to so many people?

I'm not trying to say all cops are corrupt or anything, but there are some, that can't be argued.

Again, I'll call the Crawford case into question. Imagine you had a bb gun you planned on purchasing, but had to buy tampons for your wife first. While trying to find those goddamn impossible ones she just HAS TO HAVE, you hear a scream, then a bullet hits your chest. Your life is ruined, that's it, game. For tampons. The worst part? Everyone knows exactly what happened, you did nothing wrong, but your murders? Well, they thought you were a threat, tough luck.

Seriously, that's exactly what happened, no bullshit. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGNIc71Wus

There, right there, is the problem. A life is worth more than "sorry, our bad" it just... is. Someone needs to pay for the death of the innocent, and I think it should be the gunman. Cop or not.
User avatar #99 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
You would get charged because you're not a cop, you would have no business to be in that situation in the first place, whereas being a cop has different implications.


YES, police DO need to be policed!
But not in cases like this where they do something most logical people would do.

Yes, a life is worth more than "sorry, our bad", but that doesn't mean someone has to pay for just doing their job.
#107 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
Agreed. To an extent, but yes, I agree.
User avatar #114 - capslockrage (11/25/2014) [-]
Hey man, when it calls for it, i'll be right with you making the same points you do, but in this particular case I don't think the cop is a bad person.

I bet you the cop feels horrible and will die thinking about what he did, not to say that he is punished as bad as the kid that died, but still he didn't get off scott free.
#115 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
I completely understand where you're coming from, man. I really do. And, if it means anything, I'm absolutely with you, he really didn't get off scott free, now that I think about it.
User avatar #60 - rhiaanor (11/24/2014) [-]
I wouldn't say he deserved it, unfortunate event, much like a man who would have adopted me if not for his own unfortunate event, when he was street racing, albeit bad, but he got 17 years for manslaughter when he drove away from his opponent who fell off the rode and 2 of the passengers had died. Not his fault, but he still got 17 years of jail time for it, this peaceful man who could never harm a fly. I don't blame the cops, or the law, ofcourse sometimes I hear stories of kids getting away with the same thing and that kind of ticks me off, but regardless. It was neither's "fault" it was a case of two misunderstandings that led to an unfortunate event. Neither can be really blame, even though society ALWAYS has to have someone at fault.
#63 - sexuality (11/24/2014) [-]
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack the individual officers, I just. I dunno, these people died, killed by the people who were sworn to protect and serve.

That Crawford fella got killed by the people he was taught to call if he was in danger, it just makes me sick to my stomach.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm a white, 20-year old college male. But America prides itself on justice and everyone having their day in court, and then shit like this happens. Where was his innocent until proven guilty?

Maybe, for these specific police officers (the ones who kill innocents, but have a reasonable right to do so) they should be stripped of their job, and no longer allowed to "protect and serve" in lieu of the jail time a civilian would receive? Just an idea.
#77 - omgroflzomg (11/25/2014) [-]
that crawford fella? you mean the guy walking around the store with an air rifle? 911 was called by bystanders that he was waving around a gun. When the police got there he didnt do what he was told. Your comment on it makes no sense.
#79 - sexuality (11/25/2014) [-]
He was walking around a Walmart with a BB gun that they had on their shelves???

A bystander called and said "there's an individual pointing a gun at people, he's reloading"

Here's the fucking video of it. He had LITERALLY TWO SECONDS to respond before he was fired upon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGNIc71Wus

Keep in mind, he was on the phone, and NOT committing any crime, he had absolutely ZERO reason to expect orders being barked at him by police.

If the police believed there to be an ACTIVE shooter, why the FUCK were shoppers walking around willy nilly!? Situational awareness is a skill all police officers should have, these ones clearly didn't have it.
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oh i've watched N H K, thats a "fun" anime
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