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#78 - The Huffington Post is a liberal-leaning news site that espous…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/24/2016 on rifle burn +5
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#90 - lazypaul (05/24/2016) [-]
Informative and balanced answer 10/10 thank you
#9 - They're tucked into the loops, so the ribbon is all around them. 05/23/2016 on kent cat +1
#30 - The formal definition is "Patriarchy is a social system i… 04/24/2016 on Wage Gap 0
#146 - The guy who created these Saiyan girls, Plagueofgripes, decide… 03/04/2016 on Saiyan Girls 0
#41 - I'm pretty sure she was temporarily transformed into a man to …  [+] (1 new reply) 02/16/2016 on Excalibur 0
#53 - gtastuntdude (02/17/2016) [-]
Dunno really. Wiki just says Merlin made her a pseudo-male. Either way, Sabers a father.
#32 - I don't see a single instance of an incorrect fact or an inter… 02/16/2016 on Fate alternative ending 0
#25 - Zero Flaws: She's a self-loathing, bitter person hiding behind…  [+] (6 new replies) 02/16/2016 on Fate alternative ending +3
#27 - zionsype (02/16/2016) [-]
Literally nothing you said is true about Saber.
I geniunely doubt you even watched any of the Fate seriers
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#33 - synthane (02/16/2016) [-]
None of what he said was correct? Really? Let's look at some of this.

"Zero Flaws: She's a self-loathing, bitter person hiding behind a veneer of royal aloofness that keeps her isolated from others, including her own people."
Correct. She is said that she has a strong separation from her people that left her alone as she died. This was primarily spoke of during Fate/Zero in her conversations with Archer and Rider.

"She's a pushover and self-sacrificing to the point where she makes herself miserable, even as a king."
Correct. Her sole wish was to undo everything she did because she felt she did so poorly.

"Everything she does is for others, and that is not a good thing. Even her strength as a fighter is tempered by the fact that she has a Code that she will not break that makes her predictable and easy to manipulate."
Correct. She lacks strategy in most of her fights. Kiritsugu wouldn't even use her much of the time because she was honorable to a fault and wouldn't do what was needed to win.

"Never loses: She lost at the Battle of Camlann before she died."
Definitely correct. Being killed kind of made her dead, you know.

"In Fate/Zero her battle against Lancer was going poorly and he would have finished her had the other servants not showed up."
Maybe more debatable. Her battle was certainly going poorly though and she would have definitely needed to retreat if nothing else.

"She would have been killed by Berserker had his Master not run out of energy."
Again, kind of debatable I guess, though I agree she would have lost. Berserker's primary weakness in Fate/Zero was how limited his master was.

"She couldn't beat Caster's minions alone. "
Maybe she could have, but she would have needed to step up her game and in no way could have done anything but manage the minions. Certainly not Caster himself alongside them.

"And in the end, she was destroyed before the Grail War was finished, leaving Archer as the sole victor. "
Mostly correct. Claiming Archer was the victor there is a bit iffy, but she definitely died and certainly wasn't the victor.

"In Stay Night, she loses to Berserker and Caster, and is absolutely stomped by Gilgamesh."
Correct. She loses all over the place in Stay/Night.

"Her victories are hard-won by virtue of her weak Master, Shirou, and she still doesn't win the War since the Grail is destroyed by the end of the series."
Correct. Basically every fight she wins is because Shirou has some hidden ability that lets them push through to victory.

So, uh, what exactly was outright wrong in there? At most there were a couple parts somewhat debatable. I think you just don't like Saber, which is fine as long as you don't make up junk about why. I personally am fairly neutral towards her.
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#36 - andriod (02/21/2016) [-]
I feel people give Kariya to much shit for being a master.
Dude actually holds up pretty damn well considering his circumstances.

Noob mage with a low count of magic circuits also dealing with his body being infested with flesh eating worms, Having to power a Berserker class servant, Who chugs through mana like Op's mom through semen, All the while being psychologically and physically tortured.

People call him shit because he often gets compared to Illya, The Loli super mage with a damn near infinite amount of mana. She sets the bar a little to high

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#38 - synthane (02/21/2016) [-]
I didn't intend for that to be beating up on Kariya, but he did straight up limit Berserker's capabilities. Not saying that he was necessarily bad, he did absolutely everything he possibly could have. I thought he was a pretty cool character. A decent, though bitter, person who got pushed into terrible circumstances.
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#37 - compared (02/21/2016) [-]
Thanks for the mention.
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#32 - revanmal (02/16/2016) [-]
I don't see a single instance of an incorrect fact or an interpretation of her character that could not be considered valid. Given the number of remakes and spin-offs in the Fate series, it's hard to nail down a single interpretation of Saber, but nowhere in any of them do I see Saber as being a Mary Sue, especially not in the original visual novels where her inner thoughts are far more prevalent.

Not to mention your idea of a Mary Sue isn't one I quite agree with if all it takes to be one is to be strong, morally upstanding, and lacking in major character flaws. You can have characters who are like this without them being Mary Sues if they simply aren't terribly written, which is the greatest indicator of a Mary Sue - authorial attachment that causes them to be the center of everything that happens.
#21 - I'm afraid I really do not understand your position on that. L…  [+] (9 new replies) 02/15/2016 on Fate alternative ending 0
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#22 - zionsype (02/15/2016) [-]
Zero Flaws
Never loses
Good 2 Shoes
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#25 - revanmal (02/16/2016) [-]
Zero Flaws: She's a self-loathing, bitter person hiding behind a veneer of royal aloofness that keeps her isolated from others, including her own people. She's a pushover and self-sacrificing to the point where she makes herself miserable, even as a king. Everything she does is for others, and that is not a good thing. Even her strength as a fighter is tempered by the fact that she has a Code that she will not break that makes her predictable and easy to manipulate.

Never loses: She lost at the Battle of Camlann before she died. In Fate/Zero her battle against Lancer was going poorly and he would have finished her had the other servants not showed up. She would have been killed by Berserker had his Master not run out of energy. She couldn't beat Caster's minions alone. And in the end, she was destroyed before the Grail War was finished, leaving Archer as the sole victor.

In Stay Night, she loses to Berserker and Caster, and is absolutely stomped by Gilgamesh. Her victories are hard-won by virtue of her weak Master, Shirou, and she still doesn't win the War since the Grail is destroyed by the end of the series.

Goody-2-shoes: So what? Being a good person doesn't make a character a Mary Sue. And even if it did, as stated previously, her honorable nature makes her a poor strategist in the Grail War, choosing head-on battles over ambushes and being blind-sided by less scrupulous enemies. It gives her a certain amount of vulnerability.
#27 - zionsype (02/16/2016) [-]
Literally nothing you said is true about Saber.
I geniunely doubt you even watched any of the Fate seriers
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#33 - synthane (02/16/2016) [-]
None of what he said was correct? Really? Let's look at some of this.

"Zero Flaws: She's a self-loathing, bitter person hiding behind a veneer of royal aloofness that keeps her isolated from others, including her own people."
Correct. She is said that she has a strong separation from her people that left her alone as she died. This was primarily spoke of during Fate/Zero in her conversations with Archer and Rider.

"She's a pushover and self-sacrificing to the point where she makes herself miserable, even as a king."
Correct. Her sole wish was to undo everything she did because she felt she did so poorly.

"Everything she does is for others, and that is not a good thing. Even her strength as a fighter is tempered by the fact that she has a Code that she will not break that makes her predictable and easy to manipulate."
Correct. She lacks strategy in most of her fights. Kiritsugu wouldn't even use her much of the time because she was honorable to a fault and wouldn't do what was needed to win.

"Never loses: She lost at the Battle of Camlann before she died."
Definitely correct. Being killed kind of made her dead, you know.

"In Fate/Zero her battle against Lancer was going poorly and he would have finished her had the other servants not showed up."
Maybe more debatable. Her battle was certainly going poorly though and she would have definitely needed to retreat if nothing else.

"She would have been killed by Berserker had his Master not run out of energy."
Again, kind of debatable I guess, though I agree she would have lost. Berserker's primary weakness in Fate/Zero was how limited his master was.

"She couldn't beat Caster's minions alone. "
Maybe she could have, but she would have needed to step up her game and in no way could have done anything but manage the minions. Certainly not Caster himself alongside them.

"And in the end, she was destroyed before the Grail War was finished, leaving Archer as the sole victor. "
Mostly correct. Claiming Archer was the victor there is a bit iffy, but she definitely died and certainly wasn't the victor.

"In Stay Night, she loses to Berserker and Caster, and is absolutely stomped by Gilgamesh."
Correct. She loses all over the place in Stay/Night.

"Her victories are hard-won by virtue of her weak Master, Shirou, and she still doesn't win the War since the Grail is destroyed by the end of the series."
Correct. Basically every fight she wins is because Shirou has some hidden ability that lets them push through to victory.

So, uh, what exactly was outright wrong in there? At most there were a couple parts somewhat debatable. I think you just don't like Saber, which is fine as long as you don't make up junk about why. I personally am fairly neutral towards her.
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#36 - andriod (02/21/2016) [-]
I feel people give Kariya to much shit for being a master.
Dude actually holds up pretty damn well considering his circumstances.

Noob mage with a low count of magic circuits also dealing with his body being infested with flesh eating worms, Having to power a Berserker class servant, Who chugs through mana like Op's mom through semen, All the while being psychologically and physically tortured.

People call him shit because he often gets compared to Illya, The Loli super mage with a damn near infinite amount of mana. She sets the bar a little to high

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#38 - synthane (02/21/2016) [-]
I didn't intend for that to be beating up on Kariya, but he did straight up limit Berserker's capabilities. Not saying that he was necessarily bad, he did absolutely everything he possibly could have. I thought he was a pretty cool character. A decent, though bitter, person who got pushed into terrible circumstances.
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#37 - compared (02/21/2016) [-]
Thanks for the mention.
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#32 - revanmal (02/16/2016) [-]
I don't see a single instance of an incorrect fact or an interpretation of her character that could not be considered valid. Given the number of remakes and spin-offs in the Fate series, it's hard to nail down a single interpretation of Saber, but nowhere in any of them do I see Saber as being a Mary Sue, especially not in the original visual novels where her inner thoughts are far more prevalent.

Not to mention your idea of a Mary Sue isn't one I quite agree with if all it takes to be one is to be strong, morally upstanding, and lacking in major character flaws. You can have characters who are like this without them being Mary Sues if they simply aren't terribly written, which is the greatest indicator of a Mary Sue - authorial attachment that causes them to be the center of everything that happens.
#24 - zionsype (02/15/2016) [-]
Goody*
#25 - He also nearly rapes her in the midst of a psychotic bre…  [+] (1 new reply) 02/11/2016 on Too good to be true +1
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#30 - zombifier (02/11/2016) [-]
well, he's got severe ptsd, I don't think anyone should go near him in general
#23 - Guts World's "best" babysitter …  [+] (3 new replies) 02/11/2016 on Too good to be true 0
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#24 - baragon (02/11/2016) [-]
he spends all his free time killing demons so she doesn't die if that's not a good babysitter i don't know what is.
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#25 - revanmal (02/11/2016) [-]
He also nearly rapes her in the midst of a psychotic break and she won't get near him for a long time.

So I'm gonna stick to my guns and say Guts shouldn't babysit anyone.
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#30 - zombifier (02/11/2016) [-]
well, he's got severe ptsd, I don't think anyone should go near him in general
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