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#52 - Most normal people?  [+] (7 new replies) 01/03/2014 on It's Delissio +2
#57 - tyroneisanigger (01/04/2014) [-]
You mean "normal people" get in their car, drive to the store, order the pizza, drive home, the pick it up? Prefer that over picking up the phone, ordering the pizza, having it delivered and you don't have to get up?
User avatar #64 - raamageddon (01/04/2014) [-]
I don't know what kind of idiot would drive home after ordering it instead of waiting to pick it up, but... Yes?

I'll have to assume you live in the city, where they'll actually deliver, with a working phone with unlimited time on it, so that's actually an option for you. For the past few years of my life I've been living out in the country, where if you want it delivered, you have to meet them halfway to pick up the damn thing and bring it home anyway.

While I realize most people DO have working phones with unlimited talk and text and all that garbage, I do not. I can't have a ten-minute conversation without having to consider how much money I'm wasting. So ordering over the phone is a waste of time for me. Especially if I can drive to the pizza place, place the order, then drive to the nearest store that sells soda or some shit so that I have something to drink with the pizza, or just pick up groceries in general, gas the car up, whatever, then just head back to the pizza place and drive home. Which is what most people I know do.
#65 - tyroneisanigger (01/04/2014) [-]
Ah, when living 20 minutes or so away from a city that makes sense because places wont deliver outside city limits.
User avatar #68 - raamageddon (01/04/2014) [-]
Yeah, exactly. Like, I can actually drive to a pizza place within a few minutes now anyway, or even walk to it within like fifteen if I really wanted, but then there's another thing. If you get a delivery, you gotta tip the guy, so if it's easy enough to get there, sometimes it's better to just go get it yourself. But yeah, it's always been at least a fifteen minute drive to get into town. And that's when I've lived closer. It's usually more like a forty-five minute drive to get to a town that has anything in it.

I realize that for most people, this isn't normal anyway, but. For people who do live in these areas, it's pretty much their best, if not only option.
#69 - tyroneisanigger (01/04/2014) [-]
Yeah, when I get pizza delivered the guy gets a $0.50 cent tip, at best.
He does this for a living, is paid $8.25 (more than waiters at restaurants) plus tips. He gets enough money.
All this talk about pizza is making me want Dominoes pizza, but the closest one is 20 miles away in the text city over.
#53 - Womens Study Major (01/03/2014) [-]
He's just asking because most people now and days call in orders. It's more convenient than drive up, ask for one, and sit there for about fifteen minutes or go drive somewhere else meanwhile.

I usually go in and order then sit down when I just come back from somewhere where I couldn't use my phone.
User avatar #54 - raamageddon (01/04/2014) [-]
I guess, but I mean, everyone I know pretty much just goes and orders it, drives off to do something else-- Go to the nearest convenience store to pick up soda or some shit-- and then it's ready by the time they come back.
#169 - You realize the contest for pink username is over now, right? 01/03/2014 on Science of 2013 part 2 0
#319 - It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't … 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell 0
#318 - I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd r… 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell 0
#302 - You keep missing the point. Dark Souls II is a sequel, taking …  [+] (4 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell 0
#310 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
"This greataxe, one of the rare dragon weapons, is formed by the tail of the one-eyed black dragon Kalameet, the last of the ancient dragons." Straight from the description of the obsidian greatsword. Kalameets species is not an everlasting dragon species which is why he looks different. even the stone dragon is questionable as his weapon says hes a descendent while zena says hes rumored to be a survivor. Seath is of the same species as the stone dragon which is why he betrayed his kind due to his jealousy for their scales. Gwyn's whole uprising was to send his army to hunt down all the dragons. Havel and his followers were dragon hunters alongside Gough. Why Kalameet appears in oolacile and his species decides its just now time to make a reappearance after everyone hunting them has been dead or hollowed for 300 years wouldnt make any sense unless it has to do with lordrans shifting time. Ornstein for whatever reason protected the illusion of Gwynevere instead of hunting down the last of the drakes until you kill him. Havel went Hollow and Gough retired fully after the death of kalameet. the opening to dark souls even says that the dragons were no more.

Anor londo still remains so Gwyndolin is either still there, was killed, or he fled. the numerous monuments to the gods would have had to be torn down and with the chosen undeads fate left unclear that leaves the primordial serpents to continue with a new prophecy for the fate of the world why they would go so far as to never mention gwyn after its revealed that the undead were never cured wouldn't make sense since the undead curse started because of him. Theres a lot of holes left to be filled with the game taking place so far into the future that have no foreseeable logical explaination other than Lordran exists in many different timestreams with alternate timelines like dark souls states. the game itself goes so far as to tell you there are multiple chosen undead in differnent timelines.
User avatar #318 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd read something else saying he was another descendant, but it appears I was wrong. That said, the Ancient Dragons are the same as the Everlasting Dragons, hence the "Age of Ancients," but. I digress. Point is, Kalameet is an actual Dragon, just not one of the big, bad ones that only Gwyn and his Knights could kill.

Seath is one of the actual Everlasting Dragons, but he's a mutant. He's Albino, no scales. The Stone Dragon isn't one of the Everlasting Dragons, just a descendant of them. It's still immortal, but it isn't quite the same. Either way, the Hellkite Wyvern, Drakes, Stone Dragon, and Kalameet make it perfectly clear that maybe the Everlasting Dragons were killed, but Dragonkind is making a resurgence. That's what Gough was doing in Oolacile to begin with, hunting down Kalameet. Havel got locked away because he wanted to finish the job with Seath, his archenemy.

Ornstein and Smough were ordered to stay behind in Anor Londo, it's not of their own choice. There's a few explanations for their presence. The first is that they're not aware that Gwynevere is an illusion, and simply think they're defending the Princess. Second is that they work for Gwyndolin now, and are protecting her because if the illusion dies, then Anor Londo goes dark, and the secret is revealed that everyone is truly gone. Third, they remained to test the Chosen Undead when he arrives, to ensure he's worthy of the Lordvessel. Lastly, they're attempting to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.

Again, it may not be true that the curse of the Undead started because of Gwyn. You keep saying that it's because of Gwyn, but that's only what Kaathe tells you. Meanwhile, Frampt tells you it's because the fire is dying. Again, neither Kaathe nor Frampt tell you the truth. You're a means to an end, nothing more. They tell you whatever they think will make you go out and do their bidding. There's plenty of explanation for things, honestly.
#312 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
I just found this by the way.

www.oxm.co.uk/48602/features/dark-souls-2-eight-things-you-need-to-know/?page=2

So there would be the explaination for noone knowing gwyn since theyre not in the same area of the world. but since the worlds timeline is the connecting factor between the two then theres still the matter of when since the flow of time in the world isnt linear
User avatar #319 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't make a difference. The Gods were a universal deal. They were the Gods of the whole world, Lordran was just where they were from.

Like I keep saying, we're talking about everything in DS already happened, Gwyn's already dead, and the world's moved on. It's not that they don't know who he was, it's that they forgot him. Like, nobody remembers who he was because it's been so long. darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Spear_%28Dark_Souls_II%29

It has nothing to do with a distorted timeline or anything like that. That only happens in Lordran, and we're not in Lordran anymore. It's just the future.
#287 - Manus created the Abyss, and his his death stopped its curren…  [+] (6 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell +1
#293 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
on the point of the dragons the stone dragon yeah was a descendant of the Everlasting dragons the everlasting dragons had a different appearance than the Ancient dragons who were a separate species of dragon kalameet is still the last of the ancient dragons either way as his species was hunted by gough since only gwyns spears could break the immortal scales of the everlasting dragons. The drakes are also presumably much smaller other than the the hellkite dragon who may be an adult drake or just a mutant of his kind much like whatever the fuck the gaping dragon is. The dragon in DSII though has the eye of Calamity which makes it an ancient dragon. This means that either DSII takes place before Oolaciles corruption(can't be sure because it isnt stated when the illusion spell was cast over anor londo as it still looks prestine in the trailer) or From Software is using the fact that Lordran has a distorted timeflow as a way to keep dragons in the game without having to explain too much how they survived being hunted by gwyns army. In both instances though it causes discrepancies with noone knowing who the hell gwyn was since he was responsible for the destruction of the dragons(The sudden reappearance of one that was pulled from the time stream should raise questions) and theres at least 2 big ass statues of him in anor londo and the canon fate of gwyndolin is unknown right now
User avatar #302 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
You keep missing the point. Dark Souls II is a sequel, taking place hundreds if not thousands of years after the fire has died. It's long, long after the events of the first game, already confirmed. You're a completely new character, living in a world that has to live with the ramifications of what transpired in the first game. If you linked the fire in the first game, then the Chosen Undead's fire has already burnt out, or somebody killed you, and the Age of Dark has started. If you chose to let the fire die, then it doesn't matter anyway, because the Age of Dark already began.

Kalameet was not an Ancient Dragon, just a descendant of them. The Ancient Dragons, Everlasting Dragons, what have you, are the ones seen in the game's opening cutscene, which Kalameet doesn't even remotely resemble to any degree. Kalameet's one eye was not indicative of an Ancient Dragon, merely of whatever subset Kalameet was from. As you yourself said, only lightning could break the scales from the Ancient Dragons and allow for their deaths, and Kalameet clearly does not have this as an issue.

The Gaping Dragon was also a descendant of the Ancient Dragons, like Kalameet but became corrupted. He essentially had an insatiable hunger and became so consumed with hunger that he began consuming himself, and, well. You know how corruption goes in the fantasy realm.

The Hellkite is a Wyvern. By definition, Dragons have four legs and two wings, for six limbs in total. Like Kalameet and the Stone Dragon. Wyverns and Drakes have two legs and two wings, and may or may not use their wings as extra legs. Wyverns are larger, Drakes are smaller. The blue things in the Valley of Drakes are Drakes, the Hellkite is a Wyvern.

Point is, DSII is during the Age of Dark, long after DS. The Gods are gone, nobody even remembers them. But for some reason, the Dragons are back, or at least their descendants are very numerous now. Likely because there are no Gods to oppose them.
#310 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
"This greataxe, one of the rare dragon weapons, is formed by the tail of the one-eyed black dragon Kalameet, the last of the ancient dragons." Straight from the description of the obsidian greatsword. Kalameets species is not an everlasting dragon species which is why he looks different. even the stone dragon is questionable as his weapon says hes a descendent while zena says hes rumored to be a survivor. Seath is of the same species as the stone dragon which is why he betrayed his kind due to his jealousy for their scales. Gwyn's whole uprising was to send his army to hunt down all the dragons. Havel and his followers were dragon hunters alongside Gough. Why Kalameet appears in oolacile and his species decides its just now time to make a reappearance after everyone hunting them has been dead or hollowed for 300 years wouldnt make any sense unless it has to do with lordrans shifting time. Ornstein for whatever reason protected the illusion of Gwynevere instead of hunting down the last of the drakes until you kill him. Havel went Hollow and Gough retired fully after the death of kalameet. the opening to dark souls even says that the dragons were no more.

Anor londo still remains so Gwyndolin is either still there, was killed, or he fled. the numerous monuments to the gods would have had to be torn down and with the chosen undeads fate left unclear that leaves the primordial serpents to continue with a new prophecy for the fate of the world why they would go so far as to never mention gwyn after its revealed that the undead were never cured wouldn't make sense since the undead curse started because of him. Theres a lot of holes left to be filled with the game taking place so far into the future that have no foreseeable logical explaination other than Lordran exists in many different timestreams with alternate timelines like dark souls states. the game itself goes so far as to tell you there are multiple chosen undead in differnent timelines.
User avatar #318 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd read something else saying he was another descendant, but it appears I was wrong. That said, the Ancient Dragons are the same as the Everlasting Dragons, hence the "Age of Ancients," but. I digress. Point is, Kalameet is an actual Dragon, just not one of the big, bad ones that only Gwyn and his Knights could kill.

Seath is one of the actual Everlasting Dragons, but he's a mutant. He's Albino, no scales. The Stone Dragon isn't one of the Everlasting Dragons, just a descendant of them. It's still immortal, but it isn't quite the same. Either way, the Hellkite Wyvern, Drakes, Stone Dragon, and Kalameet make it perfectly clear that maybe the Everlasting Dragons were killed, but Dragonkind is making a resurgence. That's what Gough was doing in Oolacile to begin with, hunting down Kalameet. Havel got locked away because he wanted to finish the job with Seath, his archenemy.

Ornstein and Smough were ordered to stay behind in Anor Londo, it's not of their own choice. There's a few explanations for their presence. The first is that they're not aware that Gwynevere is an illusion, and simply think they're defending the Princess. Second is that they work for Gwyndolin now, and are protecting her because if the illusion dies, then Anor Londo goes dark, and the secret is revealed that everyone is truly gone. Third, they remained to test the Chosen Undead when he arrives, to ensure he's worthy of the Lordvessel. Lastly, they're attempting to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.

Again, it may not be true that the curse of the Undead started because of Gwyn. You keep saying that it's because of Gwyn, but that's only what Kaathe tells you. Meanwhile, Frampt tells you it's because the fire is dying. Again, neither Kaathe nor Frampt tell you the truth. You're a means to an end, nothing more. They tell you whatever they think will make you go out and do their bidding. There's plenty of explanation for things, honestly.
#312 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
I just found this by the way.

www.oxm.co.uk/48602/features/dark-souls-2-eight-things-you-need-to-know/?page=2

So there would be the explaination for noone knowing gwyn since theyre not in the same area of the world. but since the worlds timeline is the connecting factor between the two then theres still the matter of when since the flow of time in the world isnt linear
User avatar #319 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't make a difference. The Gods were a universal deal. They were the Gods of the whole world, Lordran was just where they were from.

Like I keep saying, we're talking about everything in DS already happened, Gwyn's already dead, and the world's moved on. It's not that they don't know who he was, it's that they forgot him. Like, nobody remembers who he was because it's been so long. darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Spear_%28Dark_Souls_II%29

It has nothing to do with a distorted timeline or anything like that. That only happens in Lordran, and we're not in Lordran anymore. It's just the future.
#249 - Both Kaathe and Frampt tell you that their solutions will end …  [+] (8 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell +1
#261 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
just watched it and that's an ancient dragon in the trailer just like kalameet(the one eye gives it away.) And the ancient dragons ended with Kalameet. The trailer doesn't say that it's the age of dark it just states that the undead can never find light(Which solaire finds out) and Manus emits the abyss. with his death the abyss doesnt spread but it still exists which is why the darkwraiths were trapped in new londo. The abyss itself cant spread without Manus but it's inhabitants can roam the land. Either way the dragons didnt leave, they were killed by gwyn and his army. only one Everlasting dragon was left, Seath died, Kalameet either dies to the chosen undead or somepoint before darksouls and the hellkite dragon is a drake, not a dragon.
User avatar #287 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
Manus created the Abyss, and his his death stopped its current spread. Essentially, the Abyss spread while the fire was alive because Manus was alive. With his death, the Abyss was halted because the fire was alive. But the fire is dead, which means there's nothing stopping the Abyss from spreading again. Gough tells the full story on that one. Killing Manus prevents further corrosion for the time being, but eventually the flames will die, and nothing will stop it from spreading anymore.

The Darkwraiths were only contained because New Londo was flooded. Once you release the floodgates, there's technically nothing stopping them from leaving other than game mechanics.

Technically, both the Stone Dragon and Kalameet were not Ancient Dragons, but descendants of them, as in-game item descriptions of their tail weapons indicate. Nonetheless, there's a point to be made: These Dragons, Undead Dragons, and Drakes still exist within Lordran itself, the home of the Gods who destroyed them. There's an entire world out there. If Dragons and Drakes still exist that close to home, how many are there left out in the world, completely unchallenged?

Dark Souls II is still a sequel, and it's set so far in the future that Gwyn has been forgotten entirely. Miracles barely exist anymore, with only pieces of those old tales that were recited to power the miracles being intact. The Lightning Spear still exists, but nobody is sure of where its power comes from, or who it belonged to. Replications of Pharis' hat exist, but nobody knows Pharis' name.

Whether you linked the fire or let it die, the Curse of Undeath still exists. Those were the two solutions put forward, and neither worked. That's why the Undead are forever without hope, because either way the cure didn't work. The Prophecy was a lie. That's why the second game exists, because you will actually be going to end the curse this time around.
#293 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
on the point of the dragons the stone dragon yeah was a descendant of the Everlasting dragons the everlasting dragons had a different appearance than the Ancient dragons who were a separate species of dragon kalameet is still the last of the ancient dragons either way as his species was hunted by gough since only gwyns spears could break the immortal scales of the everlasting dragons. The drakes are also presumably much smaller other than the the hellkite dragon who may be an adult drake or just a mutant of his kind much like whatever the fuck the gaping dragon is. The dragon in DSII though has the eye of Calamity which makes it an ancient dragon. This means that either DSII takes place before Oolaciles corruption(can't be sure because it isnt stated when the illusion spell was cast over anor londo as it still looks prestine in the trailer) or From Software is using the fact that Lordran has a distorted timeflow as a way to keep dragons in the game without having to explain too much how they survived being hunted by gwyns army. In both instances though it causes discrepancies with noone knowing who the hell gwyn was since he was responsible for the destruction of the dragons(The sudden reappearance of one that was pulled from the time stream should raise questions) and theres at least 2 big ass statues of him in anor londo and the canon fate of gwyndolin is unknown right now
User avatar #302 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
You keep missing the point. Dark Souls II is a sequel, taking place hundreds if not thousands of years after the fire has died. It's long, long after the events of the first game, already confirmed. You're a completely new character, living in a world that has to live with the ramifications of what transpired in the first game. If you linked the fire in the first game, then the Chosen Undead's fire has already burnt out, or somebody killed you, and the Age of Dark has started. If you chose to let the fire die, then it doesn't matter anyway, because the Age of Dark already began.

Kalameet was not an Ancient Dragon, just a descendant of them. The Ancient Dragons, Everlasting Dragons, what have you, are the ones seen in the game's opening cutscene, which Kalameet doesn't even remotely resemble to any degree. Kalameet's one eye was not indicative of an Ancient Dragon, merely of whatever subset Kalameet was from. As you yourself said, only lightning could break the scales from the Ancient Dragons and allow for their deaths, and Kalameet clearly does not have this as an issue.

The Gaping Dragon was also a descendant of the Ancient Dragons, like Kalameet but became corrupted. He essentially had an insatiable hunger and became so consumed with hunger that he began consuming himself, and, well. You know how corruption goes in the fantasy realm.

The Hellkite is a Wyvern. By definition, Dragons have four legs and two wings, for six limbs in total. Like Kalameet and the Stone Dragon. Wyverns and Drakes have two legs and two wings, and may or may not use their wings as extra legs. Wyverns are larger, Drakes are smaller. The blue things in the Valley of Drakes are Drakes, the Hellkite is a Wyvern.

Point is, DSII is during the Age of Dark, long after DS. The Gods are gone, nobody even remembers them. But for some reason, the Dragons are back, or at least their descendants are very numerous now. Likely because there are no Gods to oppose them.
#310 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
"This greataxe, one of the rare dragon weapons, is formed by the tail of the one-eyed black dragon Kalameet, the last of the ancient dragons." Straight from the description of the obsidian greatsword. Kalameets species is not an everlasting dragon species which is why he looks different. even the stone dragon is questionable as his weapon says hes a descendent while zena says hes rumored to be a survivor. Seath is of the same species as the stone dragon which is why he betrayed his kind due to his jealousy for their scales. Gwyn's whole uprising was to send his army to hunt down all the dragons. Havel and his followers were dragon hunters alongside Gough. Why Kalameet appears in oolacile and his species decides its just now time to make a reappearance after everyone hunting them has been dead or hollowed for 300 years wouldnt make any sense unless it has to do with lordrans shifting time. Ornstein for whatever reason protected the illusion of Gwynevere instead of hunting down the last of the drakes until you kill him. Havel went Hollow and Gough retired fully after the death of kalameet. the opening to dark souls even says that the dragons were no more.

Anor londo still remains so Gwyndolin is either still there, was killed, or he fled. the numerous monuments to the gods would have had to be torn down and with the chosen undeads fate left unclear that leaves the primordial serpents to continue with a new prophecy for the fate of the world why they would go so far as to never mention gwyn after its revealed that the undead were never cured wouldn't make sense since the undead curse started because of him. Theres a lot of holes left to be filled with the game taking place so far into the future that have no foreseeable logical explaination other than Lordran exists in many different timestreams with alternate timelines like dark souls states. the game itself goes so far as to tell you there are multiple chosen undead in differnent timelines.
User avatar #318 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd read something else saying he was another descendant, but it appears I was wrong. That said, the Ancient Dragons are the same as the Everlasting Dragons, hence the "Age of Ancients," but. I digress. Point is, Kalameet is an actual Dragon, just not one of the big, bad ones that only Gwyn and his Knights could kill.

Seath is one of the actual Everlasting Dragons, but he's a mutant. He's Albino, no scales. The Stone Dragon isn't one of the Everlasting Dragons, just a descendant of them. It's still immortal, but it isn't quite the same. Either way, the Hellkite Wyvern, Drakes, Stone Dragon, and Kalameet make it perfectly clear that maybe the Everlasting Dragons were killed, but Dragonkind is making a resurgence. That's what Gough was doing in Oolacile to begin with, hunting down Kalameet. Havel got locked away because he wanted to finish the job with Seath, his archenemy.

Ornstein and Smough were ordered to stay behind in Anor Londo, it's not of their own choice. There's a few explanations for their presence. The first is that they're not aware that Gwynevere is an illusion, and simply think they're defending the Princess. Second is that they work for Gwyndolin now, and are protecting her because if the illusion dies, then Anor Londo goes dark, and the secret is revealed that everyone is truly gone. Third, they remained to test the Chosen Undead when he arrives, to ensure he's worthy of the Lordvessel. Lastly, they're attempting to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.

Again, it may not be true that the curse of the Undead started because of Gwyn. You keep saying that it's because of Gwyn, but that's only what Kaathe tells you. Meanwhile, Frampt tells you it's because the fire is dying. Again, neither Kaathe nor Frampt tell you the truth. You're a means to an end, nothing more. They tell you whatever they think will make you go out and do their bidding. There's plenty of explanation for things, honestly.
#312 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
I just found this by the way.

www.oxm.co.uk/48602/features/dark-souls-2-eight-things-you-need-to-know/?page=2

So there would be the explaination for noone knowing gwyn since theyre not in the same area of the world. but since the worlds timeline is the connecting factor between the two then theres still the matter of when since the flow of time in the world isnt linear
User avatar #319 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't make a difference. The Gods were a universal deal. They were the Gods of the whole world, Lordran was just where they were from.

Like I keep saying, we're talking about everything in DS already happened, Gwyn's already dead, and the world's moved on. It's not that they don't know who he was, it's that they forgot him. Like, nobody remembers who he was because it's been so long. darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Spear_%28Dark_Souls_II%29

It has nothing to do with a distorted timeline or anything like that. That only happens in Lordran, and we're not in Lordran anymore. It's just the future.
#204 - The Hollowing continues regardless of your choice. The curse o…  [+] (10 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell +1
#225 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
Gwyn feared the abyss and after the witch of izalith failed to recreate the first flame he linked the flame to his soul which also created the curse of the undead. That's what Kaathe says at least. It also makes sense since the darksign says that all undead are returned to the bonfires when they die until they lose their mind and go hollow. The Abyss only spread due to the awakening of Manus and that changes into two timelines 1. where Artorias failed to kill manus and the chosen undead is never brought into the past. and 2. The chosen undead is brought into the past and they kill manus. Since the abyss only spread because a serpent(which one is unknown) tricked the residents of oolacile into awakening manus darkness that returns to the land would most likely only be a return to the age of everlasting dragons but since the dragons are dead humanity(what's left of it and the Dark Soul) will take their place as the worlds rulers.
User avatar #249 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
Both Kaathe and Frampt tell you that their solutions will end the curse. Frampt insists that the curse has come about because the fire is dying, but Kaathe says it exists because the fire was restored. That's the point. You can't trust Kaathe or Frampt.

Kaathe is the serpent who tricked Oolacile into awakening Manus. The creation of the Abyss was not necessarily on Kaathe's agenda, but instead simply a side-effect. Manus is most likely the Furtive Pygmy, the first Human, which is why Kaathe urged them to wake him up, because he could have brought about the Age of Dark. Humanity-- The sprites-- are the souls of Humanity-- the species. Instead, something went wrong and Manus' Humanity went wild, twisting him into the creature you see and causing the Abyss to form in the first place. This is also why the Abyss is present in New Londo, because it was spread by Kaathe, who is found within the Abyss itself, when he tricked the Four Kings and the Knights of New Londo into becoming Darkwraiths.

I'll have to disagree on the note of the suggestion of a time-line split. Regardless of whether or not the Chosen Undead went back in time, someone stopped Manus. Darkroot Garden exists, and Oolacile is gone, so someone stopped Manus.

Gough, one of Gwyn's Knights, makes the point clear. By stopping Manus, you've stopped the Abyss' spread for now. But one day, the flames will die, and it will return. And not even a legend such as yourself can do anything to stop that.

Dark Souls II takes place in the Age of Dark, but the Undead still exist. Whether you linked the fire or let Dark take the world, the Curse of Undeath did not go away. Both Serpents are liars. You cannot trust Frampt or Kaathe, merely decide what's best. Humanity may be the world's rulers, but the world is still dying, and the Dragons have returned in force. Go watch some of the trailers for the second game, you'll see.
#261 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
just watched it and that's an ancient dragon in the trailer just like kalameet(the one eye gives it away.) And the ancient dragons ended with Kalameet. The trailer doesn't say that it's the age of dark it just states that the undead can never find light(Which solaire finds out) and Manus emits the abyss. with his death the abyss doesnt spread but it still exists which is why the darkwraiths were trapped in new londo. The abyss itself cant spread without Manus but it's inhabitants can roam the land. Either way the dragons didnt leave, they were killed by gwyn and his army. only one Everlasting dragon was left, Seath died, Kalameet either dies to the chosen undead or somepoint before darksouls and the hellkite dragon is a drake, not a dragon.
User avatar #287 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
Manus created the Abyss, and his his death stopped its current spread. Essentially, the Abyss spread while the fire was alive because Manus was alive. With his death, the Abyss was halted because the fire was alive. But the fire is dead, which means there's nothing stopping the Abyss from spreading again. Gough tells the full story on that one. Killing Manus prevents further corrosion for the time being, but eventually the flames will die, and nothing will stop it from spreading anymore.

The Darkwraiths were only contained because New Londo was flooded. Once you release the floodgates, there's technically nothing stopping them from leaving other than game mechanics.

Technically, both the Stone Dragon and Kalameet were not Ancient Dragons, but descendants of them, as in-game item descriptions of their tail weapons indicate. Nonetheless, there's a point to be made: These Dragons, Undead Dragons, and Drakes still exist within Lordran itself, the home of the Gods who destroyed them. There's an entire world out there. If Dragons and Drakes still exist that close to home, how many are there left out in the world, completely unchallenged?

Dark Souls II is still a sequel, and it's set so far in the future that Gwyn has been forgotten entirely. Miracles barely exist anymore, with only pieces of those old tales that were recited to power the miracles being intact. The Lightning Spear still exists, but nobody is sure of where its power comes from, or who it belonged to. Replications of Pharis' hat exist, but nobody knows Pharis' name.

Whether you linked the fire or let it die, the Curse of Undeath still exists. Those were the two solutions put forward, and neither worked. That's why the Undead are forever without hope, because either way the cure didn't work. The Prophecy was a lie. That's why the second game exists, because you will actually be going to end the curse this time around.
#293 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
on the point of the dragons the stone dragon yeah was a descendant of the Everlasting dragons the everlasting dragons had a different appearance than the Ancient dragons who were a separate species of dragon kalameet is still the last of the ancient dragons either way as his species was hunted by gough since only gwyns spears could break the immortal scales of the everlasting dragons. The drakes are also presumably much smaller other than the the hellkite dragon who may be an adult drake or just a mutant of his kind much like whatever the fuck the gaping dragon is. The dragon in DSII though has the eye of Calamity which makes it an ancient dragon. This means that either DSII takes place before Oolaciles corruption(can't be sure because it isnt stated when the illusion spell was cast over anor londo as it still looks prestine in the trailer) or From Software is using the fact that Lordran has a distorted timeflow as a way to keep dragons in the game without having to explain too much how they survived being hunted by gwyns army. In both instances though it causes discrepancies with noone knowing who the hell gwyn was since he was responsible for the destruction of the dragons(The sudden reappearance of one that was pulled from the time stream should raise questions) and theres at least 2 big ass statues of him in anor londo and the canon fate of gwyndolin is unknown right now
User avatar #302 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
You keep missing the point. Dark Souls II is a sequel, taking place hundreds if not thousands of years after the fire has died. It's long, long after the events of the first game, already confirmed. You're a completely new character, living in a world that has to live with the ramifications of what transpired in the first game. If you linked the fire in the first game, then the Chosen Undead's fire has already burnt out, or somebody killed you, and the Age of Dark has started. If you chose to let the fire die, then it doesn't matter anyway, because the Age of Dark already began.

Kalameet was not an Ancient Dragon, just a descendant of them. The Ancient Dragons, Everlasting Dragons, what have you, are the ones seen in the game's opening cutscene, which Kalameet doesn't even remotely resemble to any degree. Kalameet's one eye was not indicative of an Ancient Dragon, merely of whatever subset Kalameet was from. As you yourself said, only lightning could break the scales from the Ancient Dragons and allow for their deaths, and Kalameet clearly does not have this as an issue.

The Gaping Dragon was also a descendant of the Ancient Dragons, like Kalameet but became corrupted. He essentially had an insatiable hunger and became so consumed with hunger that he began consuming himself, and, well. You know how corruption goes in the fantasy realm.

The Hellkite is a Wyvern. By definition, Dragons have four legs and two wings, for six limbs in total. Like Kalameet and the Stone Dragon. Wyverns and Drakes have two legs and two wings, and may or may not use their wings as extra legs. Wyverns are larger, Drakes are smaller. The blue things in the Valley of Drakes are Drakes, the Hellkite is a Wyvern.

Point is, DSII is during the Age of Dark, long after DS. The Gods are gone, nobody even remembers them. But for some reason, the Dragons are back, or at least their descendants are very numerous now. Likely because there are no Gods to oppose them.
#310 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
"This greataxe, one of the rare dragon weapons, is formed by the tail of the one-eyed black dragon Kalameet, the last of the ancient dragons." Straight from the description of the obsidian greatsword. Kalameets species is not an everlasting dragon species which is why he looks different. even the stone dragon is questionable as his weapon says hes a descendent while zena says hes rumored to be a survivor. Seath is of the same species as the stone dragon which is why he betrayed his kind due to his jealousy for their scales. Gwyn's whole uprising was to send his army to hunt down all the dragons. Havel and his followers were dragon hunters alongside Gough. Why Kalameet appears in oolacile and his species decides its just now time to make a reappearance after everyone hunting them has been dead or hollowed for 300 years wouldnt make any sense unless it has to do with lordrans shifting time. Ornstein for whatever reason protected the illusion of Gwynevere instead of hunting down the last of the drakes until you kill him. Havel went Hollow and Gough retired fully after the death of kalameet. the opening to dark souls even says that the dragons were no more.

Anor londo still remains so Gwyndolin is either still there, was killed, or he fled. the numerous monuments to the gods would have had to be torn down and with the chosen undeads fate left unclear that leaves the primordial serpents to continue with a new prophecy for the fate of the world why they would go so far as to never mention gwyn after its revealed that the undead were never cured wouldn't make sense since the undead curse started because of him. Theres a lot of holes left to be filled with the game taking place so far into the future that have no foreseeable logical explaination other than Lordran exists in many different timestreams with alternate timelines like dark souls states. the game itself goes so far as to tell you there are multiple chosen undead in differnent timelines.
User avatar #318 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd read something else saying he was another descendant, but it appears I was wrong. That said, the Ancient Dragons are the same as the Everlasting Dragons, hence the "Age of Ancients," but. I digress. Point is, Kalameet is an actual Dragon, just not one of the big, bad ones that only Gwyn and his Knights could kill.

Seath is one of the actual Everlasting Dragons, but he's a mutant. He's Albino, no scales. The Stone Dragon isn't one of the Everlasting Dragons, just a descendant of them. It's still immortal, but it isn't quite the same. Either way, the Hellkite Wyvern, Drakes, Stone Dragon, and Kalameet make it perfectly clear that maybe the Everlasting Dragons were killed, but Dragonkind is making a resurgence. That's what Gough was doing in Oolacile to begin with, hunting down Kalameet. Havel got locked away because he wanted to finish the job with Seath, his archenemy.

Ornstein and Smough were ordered to stay behind in Anor Londo, it's not of their own choice. There's a few explanations for their presence. The first is that they're not aware that Gwynevere is an illusion, and simply think they're defending the Princess. Second is that they work for Gwyndolin now, and are protecting her because if the illusion dies, then Anor Londo goes dark, and the secret is revealed that everyone is truly gone. Third, they remained to test the Chosen Undead when he arrives, to ensure he's worthy of the Lordvessel. Lastly, they're attempting to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.

Again, it may not be true that the curse of the Undead started because of Gwyn. You keep saying that it's because of Gwyn, but that's only what Kaathe tells you. Meanwhile, Frampt tells you it's because the fire is dying. Again, neither Kaathe nor Frampt tell you the truth. You're a means to an end, nothing more. They tell you whatever they think will make you go out and do their bidding. There's plenty of explanation for things, honestly.
#312 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
I just found this by the way.

www.oxm.co.uk/48602/features/dark-souls-2-eight-things-you-need-to-know/?page=2

So there would be the explaination for noone knowing gwyn since theyre not in the same area of the world. but since the worlds timeline is the connecting factor between the two then theres still the matter of when since the flow of time in the world isnt linear
User avatar #319 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't make a difference. The Gods were a universal deal. They were the Gods of the whole world, Lordran was just where they were from.

Like I keep saying, we're talking about everything in DS already happened, Gwyn's already dead, and the world's moved on. It's not that they don't know who he was, it's that they forgot him. Like, nobody remembers who he was because it's been so long. darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Spear_%28Dark_Souls_II%29

It has nothing to do with a distorted timeline or anything like that. That only happens in Lordran, and we're not in Lordran anymore. It's just the future.
#192 - I was helping a friend whose save got corrupted get back to wh…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell 0
User avatar #195 - HURLEYSURFERDUDE (01/03/2014) [-]
I always had my Havel armor on. I upgraded enough to make me a decently agile tank. I would often protect other players when they got invaded. So much so that a guy drop-gifted me a +10 fire uchigatana as thanks.

I loved that sword.
#188 - That's not really true. By letting the fire die, you …  [+] (12 new replies) 01/03/2014 on Dark Souls in a nutshell +1
#194 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
meh, the way i see it is it would be better to give the world to the humans rather than let the hollowing continue because of the corrupted fires. Yeah the gods would come back but at that point there is noone left to protect the world because all of its heros went hollow.
User avatar #204 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
The Hollowing continues regardless of your choice. The curse of the Undead is linked neither to the fact that the fire's life has been unnaturally extended, nor to the fact that the fire is dying. The Primordial Serpents are exactly what they are: Serpents. The game borrows heavily from Western culture through Knights and Vikings, and if there is anything that is learned from Western culture, it's that serpents are bad news. They are manipulative liars that are never to be trusted.

Frampt and Kaathe both manipulate you to achieve their goals. Neither necessarily lies to you, but neither of you tell you the whole truth. Frampt does not tell you why Gwyn sacrificed himself, or why linking the fire is truly, just suggesting it will end the Undead curse. Kaathe tells you that letting the fire die will end the Curse as well, but he does not tell you what the Age of Dark truly entails, and what ramifications it will have.

The Gods are gone either way, and will not come back. It all boils down to the Abyss. You can choose to hold the Abyss back a while longer, or you can tear down the dam yourself with the knowledge that it cannot be stopped forever.

The second game is set so far in the future that nobody knows who Gwyn even was anymore. The Age of Dark has arrived, and the curse of the Undead is as strong as ever. The developers themselves have said that the focus of the first game is Humanity. The focus of the second is Curse. The second will undoubtedly revolve around truly putting an end to the Curse, as neither of the choices you made for the first game's ending mattered.
#225 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
Gwyn feared the abyss and after the witch of izalith failed to recreate the first flame he linked the flame to his soul which also created the curse of the undead. That's what Kaathe says at least. It also makes sense since the darksign says that all undead are returned to the bonfires when they die until they lose their mind and go hollow. The Abyss only spread due to the awakening of Manus and that changes into two timelines 1. where Artorias failed to kill manus and the chosen undead is never brought into the past. and 2. The chosen undead is brought into the past and they kill manus. Since the abyss only spread because a serpent(which one is unknown) tricked the residents of oolacile into awakening manus darkness that returns to the land would most likely only be a return to the age of everlasting dragons but since the dragons are dead humanity(what's left of it and the Dark Soul) will take their place as the worlds rulers.
User avatar #249 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
Both Kaathe and Frampt tell you that their solutions will end the curse. Frampt insists that the curse has come about because the fire is dying, but Kaathe says it exists because the fire was restored. That's the point. You can't trust Kaathe or Frampt.

Kaathe is the serpent who tricked Oolacile into awakening Manus. The creation of the Abyss was not necessarily on Kaathe's agenda, but instead simply a side-effect. Manus is most likely the Furtive Pygmy, the first Human, which is why Kaathe urged them to wake him up, because he could have brought about the Age of Dark. Humanity-- The sprites-- are the souls of Humanity-- the species. Instead, something went wrong and Manus' Humanity went wild, twisting him into the creature you see and causing the Abyss to form in the first place. This is also why the Abyss is present in New Londo, because it was spread by Kaathe, who is found within the Abyss itself, when he tricked the Four Kings and the Knights of New Londo into becoming Darkwraiths.

I'll have to disagree on the note of the suggestion of a time-line split. Regardless of whether or not the Chosen Undead went back in time, someone stopped Manus. Darkroot Garden exists, and Oolacile is gone, so someone stopped Manus.

Gough, one of Gwyn's Knights, makes the point clear. By stopping Manus, you've stopped the Abyss' spread for now. But one day, the flames will die, and it will return. And not even a legend such as yourself can do anything to stop that.

Dark Souls II takes place in the Age of Dark, but the Undead still exist. Whether you linked the fire or let Dark take the world, the Curse of Undeath did not go away. Both Serpents are liars. You cannot trust Frampt or Kaathe, merely decide what's best. Humanity may be the world's rulers, but the world is still dying, and the Dragons have returned in force. Go watch some of the trailers for the second game, you'll see.
#261 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
just watched it and that's an ancient dragon in the trailer just like kalameet(the one eye gives it away.) And the ancient dragons ended with Kalameet. The trailer doesn't say that it's the age of dark it just states that the undead can never find light(Which solaire finds out) and Manus emits the abyss. with his death the abyss doesnt spread but it still exists which is why the darkwraiths were trapped in new londo. The abyss itself cant spread without Manus but it's inhabitants can roam the land. Either way the dragons didnt leave, they were killed by gwyn and his army. only one Everlasting dragon was left, Seath died, Kalameet either dies to the chosen undead or somepoint before darksouls and the hellkite dragon is a drake, not a dragon.
User avatar #287 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
Manus created the Abyss, and his his death stopped its current spread. Essentially, the Abyss spread while the fire was alive because Manus was alive. With his death, the Abyss was halted because the fire was alive. But the fire is dead, which means there's nothing stopping the Abyss from spreading again. Gough tells the full story on that one. Killing Manus prevents further corrosion for the time being, but eventually the flames will die, and nothing will stop it from spreading anymore.

The Darkwraiths were only contained because New Londo was flooded. Once you release the floodgates, there's technically nothing stopping them from leaving other than game mechanics.

Technically, both the Stone Dragon and Kalameet were not Ancient Dragons, but descendants of them, as in-game item descriptions of their tail weapons indicate. Nonetheless, there's a point to be made: These Dragons, Undead Dragons, and Drakes still exist within Lordran itself, the home of the Gods who destroyed them. There's an entire world out there. If Dragons and Drakes still exist that close to home, how many are there left out in the world, completely unchallenged?

Dark Souls II is still a sequel, and it's set so far in the future that Gwyn has been forgotten entirely. Miracles barely exist anymore, with only pieces of those old tales that were recited to power the miracles being intact. The Lightning Spear still exists, but nobody is sure of where its power comes from, or who it belonged to. Replications of Pharis' hat exist, but nobody knows Pharis' name.

Whether you linked the fire or let it die, the Curse of Undeath still exists. Those were the two solutions put forward, and neither worked. That's why the Undead are forever without hope, because either way the cure didn't work. The Prophecy was a lie. That's why the second game exists, because you will actually be going to end the curse this time around.
#293 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
on the point of the dragons the stone dragon yeah was a descendant of the Everlasting dragons the everlasting dragons had a different appearance than the Ancient dragons who were a separate species of dragon kalameet is still the last of the ancient dragons either way as his species was hunted by gough since only gwyns spears could break the immortal scales of the everlasting dragons. The drakes are also presumably much smaller other than the the hellkite dragon who may be an adult drake or just a mutant of his kind much like whatever the fuck the gaping dragon is. The dragon in DSII though has the eye of Calamity which makes it an ancient dragon. This means that either DSII takes place before Oolaciles corruption(can't be sure because it isnt stated when the illusion spell was cast over anor londo as it still looks prestine in the trailer) or From Software is using the fact that Lordran has a distorted timeflow as a way to keep dragons in the game without having to explain too much how they survived being hunted by gwyns army. In both instances though it causes discrepancies with noone knowing who the hell gwyn was since he was responsible for the destruction of the dragons(The sudden reappearance of one that was pulled from the time stream should raise questions) and theres at least 2 big ass statues of him in anor londo and the canon fate of gwyndolin is unknown right now
User avatar #302 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
You keep missing the point. Dark Souls II is a sequel, taking place hundreds if not thousands of years after the fire has died. It's long, long after the events of the first game, already confirmed. You're a completely new character, living in a world that has to live with the ramifications of what transpired in the first game. If you linked the fire in the first game, then the Chosen Undead's fire has already burnt out, or somebody killed you, and the Age of Dark has started. If you chose to let the fire die, then it doesn't matter anyway, because the Age of Dark already began.

Kalameet was not an Ancient Dragon, just a descendant of them. The Ancient Dragons, Everlasting Dragons, what have you, are the ones seen in the game's opening cutscene, which Kalameet doesn't even remotely resemble to any degree. Kalameet's one eye was not indicative of an Ancient Dragon, merely of whatever subset Kalameet was from. As you yourself said, only lightning could break the scales from the Ancient Dragons and allow for their deaths, and Kalameet clearly does not have this as an issue.

The Gaping Dragon was also a descendant of the Ancient Dragons, like Kalameet but became corrupted. He essentially had an insatiable hunger and became so consumed with hunger that he began consuming himself, and, well. You know how corruption goes in the fantasy realm.

The Hellkite is a Wyvern. By definition, Dragons have four legs and two wings, for six limbs in total. Like Kalameet and the Stone Dragon. Wyverns and Drakes have two legs and two wings, and may or may not use their wings as extra legs. Wyverns are larger, Drakes are smaller. The blue things in the Valley of Drakes are Drakes, the Hellkite is a Wyvern.

Point is, DSII is during the Age of Dark, long after DS. The Gods are gone, nobody even remembers them. But for some reason, the Dragons are back, or at least their descendants are very numerous now. Likely because there are no Gods to oppose them.
#310 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
"This greataxe, one of the rare dragon weapons, is formed by the tail of the one-eyed black dragon Kalameet, the last of the ancient dragons." Straight from the description of the obsidian greatsword. Kalameets species is not an everlasting dragon species which is why he looks different. even the stone dragon is questionable as his weapon says hes a descendent while zena says hes rumored to be a survivor. Seath is of the same species as the stone dragon which is why he betrayed his kind due to his jealousy for their scales. Gwyn's whole uprising was to send his army to hunt down all the dragons. Havel and his followers were dragon hunters alongside Gough. Why Kalameet appears in oolacile and his species decides its just now time to make a reappearance after everyone hunting them has been dead or hollowed for 300 years wouldnt make any sense unless it has to do with lordrans shifting time. Ornstein for whatever reason protected the illusion of Gwynevere instead of hunting down the last of the drakes until you kill him. Havel went Hollow and Gough retired fully after the death of kalameet. the opening to dark souls even says that the dragons were no more.

Anor londo still remains so Gwyndolin is either still there, was killed, or he fled. the numerous monuments to the gods would have had to be torn down and with the chosen undeads fate left unclear that leaves the primordial serpents to continue with a new prophecy for the fate of the world why they would go so far as to never mention gwyn after its revealed that the undead were never cured wouldn't make sense since the undead curse started because of him. Theres a lot of holes left to be filled with the game taking place so far into the future that have no foreseeable logical explaination other than Lordran exists in many different timestreams with alternate timelines like dark souls states. the game itself goes so far as to tell you there are multiple chosen undead in differnent timelines.
User avatar #318 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
I'll grant you the point with Kalameet. I could've sworn I'd read something else saying he was another descendant, but it appears I was wrong. That said, the Ancient Dragons are the same as the Everlasting Dragons, hence the "Age of Ancients," but. I digress. Point is, Kalameet is an actual Dragon, just not one of the big, bad ones that only Gwyn and his Knights could kill.

Seath is one of the actual Everlasting Dragons, but he's a mutant. He's Albino, no scales. The Stone Dragon isn't one of the Everlasting Dragons, just a descendant of them. It's still immortal, but it isn't quite the same. Either way, the Hellkite Wyvern, Drakes, Stone Dragon, and Kalameet make it perfectly clear that maybe the Everlasting Dragons were killed, but Dragonkind is making a resurgence. That's what Gough was doing in Oolacile to begin with, hunting down Kalameet. Havel got locked away because he wanted to finish the job with Seath, his archenemy.

Ornstein and Smough were ordered to stay behind in Anor Londo, it's not of their own choice. There's a few explanations for their presence. The first is that they're not aware that Gwynevere is an illusion, and simply think they're defending the Princess. Second is that they work for Gwyndolin now, and are protecting her because if the illusion dies, then Anor Londo goes dark, and the secret is revealed that everyone is truly gone. Third, they remained to test the Chosen Undead when he arrives, to ensure he's worthy of the Lordvessel. Lastly, they're attempting to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.

Again, it may not be true that the curse of the Undead started because of Gwyn. You keep saying that it's because of Gwyn, but that's only what Kaathe tells you. Meanwhile, Frampt tells you it's because the fire is dying. Again, neither Kaathe nor Frampt tell you the truth. You're a means to an end, nothing more. They tell you whatever they think will make you go out and do their bidding. There's plenty of explanation for things, honestly.
#312 - janosaudron (01/03/2014) [-]
I just found this by the way.

www.oxm.co.uk/48602/features/dark-souls-2-eight-things-you-need-to-know/?page=2

So there would be the explaination for noone knowing gwyn since theyre not in the same area of the world. but since the worlds timeline is the connecting factor between the two then theres still the matter of when since the flow of time in the world isnt linear
User avatar #319 - raamageddon (01/03/2014) [-]
It's in a different area of the world, yeah, but that doesn't make a difference. The Gods were a universal deal. They were the Gods of the whole world, Lordran was just where they were from.

Like I keep saying, we're talking about everything in DS already happened, Gwyn's already dead, and the world's moved on. It's not that they don't know who he was, it's that they forgot him. Like, nobody remembers who he was because it's been so long. darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Spear_%28Dark_Souls_II%29

It has nothing to do with a distorted timeline or anything like that. That only happens in Lordran, and we're not in Lordran anymore. It's just the future.
#105 - I powered through it in like two weeks when I got it in August…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/31/2013 on Breeeeeding... 0
User avatar #107 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
Just the other day, I picked it back up from where I'd just gotten the Lord Vessel, and figured out how to confuse the fucking Firesage into doing it's retarded jump attack. Then the centipede demon got mudered after like 3 tries, - mind you I haven't watched walkthroughs other than to find bonfires - and then after life 6 tries and getting a little lost, I killed the Bed of Chaos.
That thing is fucking annoying.
#93 - Yeah, pretty much. Just need to whip out a tower shield of som…  [+] (3 new replies) 12/31/2013 on Breeeeeding... 0
User avatar #94 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
I still haven't beaten the fucking game yet, I got it in the beginning of September, lol.
User avatar #105 - raamageddon (12/31/2013) [-]
I powered through it in like two weeks when I got it in August. Damn good game, but it requires you to want to like it. I already beat it like five or six times, got all the Achievements, helped friends through it in some ways...

Honestly the major issue is just that like, you have to be dedicated to play it. You can't just pick it up and do whatever and hope to get anything done, it forces you to sit down and commit to it, y'know? So if you don't have time for it, it ain't happening.
User avatar #107 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
Just the other day, I picked it back up from where I'd just gotten the Lord Vessel, and figured out how to confuse the fucking Firesage into doing it's retarded jump attack. Then the centipede demon got mudered after like 3 tries, - mind you I haven't watched walkthroughs other than to find bonfires - and then after life 6 tries and getting a little lost, I killed the Bed of Chaos.
That thing is fucking annoying.
#108 - "I am the Primordial Serpent, Darkstalker Kaathe." 12/31/2013 on Moray 0
#89 - I spent two ******* hours in an archer duel with …  [+] (5 new replies) 12/31/2013 on Breeeeeding... +1
User avatar #91 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
I found out for myself that Perfect blocking and Bull Rushing works just fine. Then I wait for them to pull out their swords and they fall off.
User avatar #93 - raamageddon (12/31/2013) [-]
Yeah, pretty much. Just need to whip out a tower shield of some sort. I wound up just using the Eagle Shield n' forced 'em off the ledge.

Nowadays, when I do that part, I just stroll in with Gough's Greatbow and the Hawk Ring. Vengeance is mine.
User avatar #94 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
I still haven't beaten the fucking game yet, I got it in the beginning of September, lol.
User avatar #105 - raamageddon (12/31/2013) [-]
I powered through it in like two weeks when I got it in August. Damn good game, but it requires you to want to like it. I already beat it like five or six times, got all the Achievements, helped friends through it in some ways...

Honestly the major issue is just that like, you have to be dedicated to play it. You can't just pick it up and do whatever and hope to get anything done, it forces you to sit down and commit to it, y'know? So if you don't have time for it, it ain't happening.
User avatar #107 - morskoj (12/31/2013) [-]
Just the other day, I picked it back up from where I'd just gotten the Lord Vessel, and figured out how to confuse the fucking Firesage into doing it's retarded jump attack. Then the centipede demon got mudered after like 3 tries, - mind you I haven't watched walkthroughs other than to find bonfires - and then after life 6 tries and getting a little lost, I killed the Bed of Chaos.
That thing is fucking annoying.
#111 - THE CONCH WON'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER, I QUIT. … 12/11/2013 on Famous 0
#109 - **raamageddon rolls 3** YOU SURE ARE INDECISIVE TODAY, AREN'…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/11/2013 on Famous +1
#111 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
THE CONCH WON'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER, I QUIT.

Or perhaps... The Conch does not know my fate. Perhaps I am to create my own destiny?
#108 - **raamageddon rolls 3** Acceptable. I do not want, and there…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/11/2013 on Famous +1
User avatar #109 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 3** YOU SURE ARE INDECISIVE TODAY, AREN'T YOU MAGIC CONCH?

SAME QUESTION.
#111 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
THE CONCH WON'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER, I QUIT.

Or perhaps... The Conch does not know my fate. Perhaps I am to create my own destiny?
#107 - **raamageddon rolls 6** That wasn't an answer that you can s…  [+] (3 new replies) 12/11/2013 on Famous +1
User avatar #108 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 3** Acceptable. I do not want, and therefore will not.
User avatar #109 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 3** YOU SURE ARE INDECISIVE TODAY, AREN'T YOU MAGIC CONCH?

SAME QUESTION.
#111 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
THE CONCH WON'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER, I QUIT.

Or perhaps... The Conch does not know my fate. Perhaps I am to create my own destiny?
#105 - **raamageddon rolls 5** Do I have to ask questions out loud?  [+] (4 new replies) 12/11/2013 on Famous 0
User avatar #107 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 6** That wasn't an answer that you can say "maybe" to, Magic Conch.
User avatar #108 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 3** Acceptable. I do not want, and therefore will not.
User avatar #109 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
**raamageddon rolls 3** YOU SURE ARE INDECISIVE TODAY, AREN'T YOU MAGIC CONCH?

SAME QUESTION.
#111 - raamageddon (12/11/2013) [-]
THE CONCH WON'T GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER, I QUIT.

Or perhaps... The Conch does not know my fate. Perhaps I am to create my own destiny?
#66 - I'm so glad someone else thought the same thing.  [+] (1 new reply) 12/08/2013 on that's chill ass turkey +1
User avatar #78 - thelastamerican (12/08/2013) [-]
I second that.
#47 - Preeeeetty sure he's got a hat on. 12/01/2013 on More than meets the eye 0
#44 - Champions Bundle for Halo 4. I wanted that ODST armo… 12/01/2013 on promotional pictures vs... 0
#108 - But what did they say?  [+] (1 new reply) 11/22/2013 on One of these things are not... +2
User avatar #112 - liquidz (11/22/2013) [-]
"You came to the wrong neighborhood motherfucker"
#123 - Last week I had a dance party in Blighttown for a friend of mi… 11/18/2013 on Darksouls in a nutshell +1
#84 - Wait. Are you serious? Did he actually die?  [+] (5 new replies) 11/17/2013 on The pressure of being a... 0
User avatar #85 - captainstinkypinky (11/17/2013) [-]
To my knowledge, yeah. But, don't fret, I'm confident he'll be back eventually. Nobody stays dead in comics.

except uncle ben
User avatar #92 - ditzyderpydoo (11/17/2013) [-]
No hes dead, doc oc took his place, and by place, i mean he now inhabits his body, parkers conciousness was in doctor octopuses body and hes suuuuuper dead now. The doctor got parkers memories and vows to be a BETTER spider man.
User avatar #93 - captainstinkypinky (11/17/2013) [-]
So Parker won't be back in the foreseeable future? To be honest, I've not really been reading since a bit before Parker 'died', so I've not really seen too much of Doc Ock as spider-man. I hear he gets shit done though.
User avatar #94 - ditzyderpydoo (11/17/2013) [-]
He does, but hes not the same, hes more serious.
User avatar #95 - captainstinkypinky (11/17/2013) [-]
That's good, in my opinion, at least. I've always thought Spider-man was too quippy.
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