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#67 - Somebody has to take the fall my friend, it is a very noble ro… 07/25/2015 on congrats -2
#3 - **punchbaggies used "*roll picture*"** **punchbaggies rolle… 07/23/2015 on A Very Cold War -2
#3 - keep an open source, not going to accept as a source, ever.  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2015 on Perspectives +10
User avatar #4 - avengeralpha (07/22/2015) [-]
Do you accept CNN, BBC?
what about these?
www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russia-reveals-witness-who-blame-ukraine-pilot-for-mh17-crash/story-fnizu68q-1227166337608

www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/never-before-seen-footage-reveals-russian-backed-rebels-arriving-at-the-wreckage-of-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444676268

www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-made-air-to-air-missile-may-have-downed-mh17-report/5463031

RT was just an easy place to find all the sources in one place, the air to air missile story has only been translated into english from its original source by RT and I was having trouble finding another translated source sorry.

I keep my eyes on most major news sights and I know that all of them have biases I only hunt for the truth and to be honest it is nigh impossible to find.
I only wanted to make a point about perspective. RT tows the Russian line and western news tows the western line I personally attempt to remain impartial.

As I said earlier I am waiting until the official investigation ends to draw my conclusions.

#5 - name of that girl?  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2015 on Bowl-let 0
#6 - jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrry (07/22/2015) [-]
Yoland Visser from Die Antwoord
#1 - Sure, but I'll never forgive them for (supplying) the rocket s…  [+] (7 new replies) 07/22/2015 on Perspectives +8
#8 - anon (07/23/2015) [-]
Ow looksie here. Another person who blindly follows the word of the western media who has yet to supply ANY evidence whatsoever.

You are an idiot, wait for the actual report to come out before you start pointing fingers.
#7 - bann (07/23/2015) [-]
I mean, he's literally a former KGB leader. It's the equivalent as if an SS officer was running Germany.
#6 - insanefreak (07/23/2015) [-]
To be honest, I'm against that tribunal as well. Chances are low the truth is going to be find already, and a tribunal is unlikely to raise the chances of finding out exactly what transpired. On the other hand, everyone knows the tribunal is likely to cost a LOT of money.

So low chances of success, but a very expensive thing to undertake. It's not that I don't want to know the truth, as I'm honestly curious, but I think that if we can't find out the truth through the blackboxes and normal research methods, we don't have much more chance than if a tribunal gets called in.
User avatar #2 - avengeralpha (07/22/2015) [-]
Independent official investigation has not come to any conclusions yet.
Russia suspects Ukrainian jets with Air to air missiles
US suspects Ukrainian separatists with Russian arms.
IMO: I have no clue I am leaning towards Russia's theory simply because they have also had an amount of evidence to back their claims up.
There is a motive sure it could have been an accident on the part of the separatists. But if the Ukrainian gov was responsible then they had a lot to gain, more support from the west new sanctions on Russia.

However I will wait until the official report in I think october before I draw my inclusions.
www.rt.com/news/310082-mh17-video-another-aircraft/
www.rt.com/news/310057-malaysian-flight-mh17-investigators/
www.rt.com/news/310039-mh17-israeli-missile-version/

Keep an open mind
#9 - anon (07/23/2015) [-]
Quick thing that most people have forgotten:
On Social Media a few minutes after MH17 was shot down, the Russian Separatists posted that they had downed a Ukrainian Military Transport. As soon as it surfaced a passenger airliner was shot down, the posts were pulled and the Launchers that the PREVIOUS DAY were photographed parked in Donetsk region were moved (probably across the boarder into Russia). As for the Russian's official investigation; they said it was definitely a Russian Ground to Air Missile, but it was an older type based on the damage pattern from something that Ukraine has.

I look at it like this: Both sides now seem agree that it was a ground to air missile. Both sides however claim each other shot it down. Both sides had launchers in range, however only the separatists claimed a shoot down, then unclaimed it and moved the launchers.
So rather than focus on the fact that both sides KNEW it was a passenger plane ~ lets look at it logically. The Separatist had been downing choppers and transport planes for the better part of a month before that, including a Ukrainian transport a week or so before MH17. So maybe instead of looking at it like "Ukraine had more to gain by blaming the separatists for the downing of a passenger plane", look at it like "the Separatists thought they were shooting a transport plane (or a military one anyway) flying over a warzone which was off thought to be off limits to passenger aircraft."

I think its dead on the money that they did it, and I would bet it was unknowingly - they wanted to show the world they were beating the Ukrainian government, not shooting down airliners.

The reason why no-one will come out and directly say that is because it puts us in an awkward position - Russia clearly supplies the Rebels with weapons (and soldiers lets not be naïve twats), but they hardly want to be caught red handed supplying weapons that kill western civilians. Especially while they are testing how ineffectual NATO is, and has proved to be in dealing with any crisis at all in the modern era - a bit like the U.N.

One other thing to remember - modern sentiment in some Russian circles is that Finland, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus and several other countries should all be returned to and controlled by Russia. I cant remember the source but I'm sure I read someone before this whole Ukraine thing blew up that Putin said that Finland should be apart of Russia.

I think everyone is too focused on hindsight - knowledge we know after the fact. At the time the missile was launched is the only facts that need to be accounted for. Who knew it was an airliner then, what were the feeling and circumstances at the time and rather than who benefited from shooting down a passenger plane, just look at who would benefit from shooting down A PLANE. At the moment it was shot down, it wasn't defined as anything but a plane.
#3 - punchbaggies (07/22/2015) [-]
keep an open source, not going to accept rt.com as a source, ever.
User avatar #4 - avengeralpha (07/22/2015) [-]
Do you accept CNN, BBC?
what about these?
www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russia-reveals-witness-who-blame-ukraine-pilot-for-mh17-crash/story-fnizu68q-1227166337608

www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/never-before-seen-footage-reveals-russian-backed-rebels-arriving-at-the-wreckage-of-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444676268

www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-made-air-to-air-missile-may-have-downed-mh17-report/5463031

RT was just an easy place to find all the sources in one place, the air to air missile story has only been translated into english from its original source by RT and I was having trouble finding another translated source sorry.

I keep my eyes on most major news sights and I know that all of them have biases I only hunt for the truth and to be honest it is nigh impossible to find.
I only wanted to make a point about perspective. RT tows the Russian line and western news tows the western line I personally attempt to remain impartial.

As I said earlier I am waiting until the official investigation ends to draw my conclusions.

#662 - Mediocre! so close to being carried tho, flamethrower… 07/22/2015 on When i thumb up a comment... 0
#660 - Mandatory SATW comic 07/22/2015 on When i thumb up a comment... +1
#658 - **punchbaggies used "*roll 1, 1-1000000*"** **punchbaggies …  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2015 on When i thumb up a comment... 0
#660 - punchbaggies (07/22/2015) [-]
Mandatory SATW comic

#9 - **punchbaggies used "*roll picture*"** **punchbaggies rolle… 07/21/2015 on Stephen Hawking the stand... 0
#334 - bad usage of meme, heard this opinion like 1000x on 4chan/redd… 07/20/2015 on Unpopular Opinion Puffin -1
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