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#73 - That doesn't really contradict what I'm saying. Never has any …  [+] (12 new replies) 11/29/2014 on Religious Wars 0
User avatar #74 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
I wasn't trying to contradict your point, or anyone's point, all I'm saying is that what a "good reason" is, universal or no, depends only on the person who interprets them. Fighting for innocent people is just as righteous as fighting to keep your sacred land or fighting to keep your earned place of power, ect. ect.
User avatar #75 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
But wouldn't a standard that is universally recognized as a good one inherently have more value than one that only some people recognize as good? For example, you can't really argue that knowing how to speak english, chinese or french is of the same value than knowing how to speak a language spoken by 3 tribes in the Saharan desert
User avatar #78 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Of course not, but language isn't subjective, morals are. Just because something is universally valued doesn't mean it's 'better' than something not, it just means the people perceiving it value it more.

Consider it like this: Most people in the world prefer chocolate ice-cream to vanilla, but that doesn't make chocolate inherently 'superior' to vanilla, it just means it appeals to the tastes of one person who happens to be part of a bigger group who like it. You see?

If things were viewed on a universal scale of majority rule, Religion would be BETTER than Atheism, as most of the world is Religious. Likewise, puppies would be BETTER than babies, because most people find puppies cuter, so on, so fourth.
User avatar #80 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
The thing is, if we have no way to actually measure something's superiority, we have to look to the value assigned to it by other people. You can't argue that something has no value, because once you ascertain that you can't imperically say that it is superior, you look to what other people say.

I guess we have really different ways of looking at value.
User avatar #82 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Not at all, sir. I agree with you 100% that certain things are better than others, what I'm saying is that this changes based on either who uses it or the situation it is used in. A gun cannot put a nail into a wall, but a hammer can; thus a hammer could be seen as more valuable right then; but if a person didn't know how to properly use a hammer, it would be useless all the same.

In a fight, a rifle could be seen as better than knife, but if someone has crappy aim with a gun and perfect aim with a knife, the knife would be better for that person.

The examples you could use to this view are endless indeed, and I am not arguing that everything is absolutely the same; what I'm saying is everything is 'useful' ONLY depending on A. The person utilizing it, and B. The Situation that it is in
User avatar #84 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh, there seems to be some misinterpreatation in what exactly my argument is-
What I mean to say is that, when a universally recognized as good reason is used to justify war, like loss of life, no one is going to say 'oh, thats a shitty reason, they need to be stopped'.
To extend your analogy, I'm saying that whenever a hammer is used to hammer a nail, no one's going to tell you you're doing it wrong.
I may have misinterpretated your argument as 'there is no good reason to go to war' as ' there is no correct way to pound a nail into a plank of wood'
User avatar #86 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
I am, however, also confused as to how you bring in actually being able to use the tool-a reason for war isn't exactly used, it's just a thing/concept.
User avatar #85 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh! My apologies then.
User avatar #81 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Additionally, imo, something cannot not have any value, therefor we must have SOME standard to measure it by
User avatar #83 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
But doesn't that only apply to subjective things? Not objective?
User avatar #76 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
and their inherent value has little to do with what they are but mostly just has to do with how widely recognized as 'good, important' languages they are
User avatar #79 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Indeed! Just so! But that doesn't mean one language is inherently 'more' valuable on another in any universal scale. Someone bilingual is still bilingual regardless of their chosen language; but certain languages are more useful in certain scenarios. You can argue that makes one language better, but that also mean it will not always be as languages and popularity of them change as culture does.
#71 - I'm arguing that certain values are universally respected as g…  [+] (14 new replies) 11/29/2014 on Religious Wars 0
User avatar #72 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Yes, but again, others may not think so. I've heard more than enough people say "A life is a life is a life, regardless of whether they're an evil person or not, everyone deserves to live"
User avatar #73 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
That doesn't really contradict what I'm saying. Never has any group of people said 'eh fuck it, lets not go to war, rather watch everyone get slaughtered', which means that imminent destruction of human life is a universally recognized good reason to go to war.
User avatar #74 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
I wasn't trying to contradict your point, or anyone's point, all I'm saying is that what a "good reason" is, universal or no, depends only on the person who interprets them. Fighting for innocent people is just as righteous as fighting to keep your sacred land or fighting to keep your earned place of power, ect. ect.
User avatar #75 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
But wouldn't a standard that is universally recognized as a good one inherently have more value than one that only some people recognize as good? For example, you can't really argue that knowing how to speak english, chinese or french is of the same value than knowing how to speak a language spoken by 3 tribes in the Saharan desert
User avatar #78 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Of course not, but language isn't subjective, morals are. Just because something is universally valued doesn't mean it's 'better' than something not, it just means the people perceiving it value it more.

Consider it like this: Most people in the world prefer chocolate ice-cream to vanilla, but that doesn't make chocolate inherently 'superior' to vanilla, it just means it appeals to the tastes of one person who happens to be part of a bigger group who like it. You see?

If things were viewed on a universal scale of majority rule, Religion would be BETTER than Atheism, as most of the world is Religious. Likewise, puppies would be BETTER than babies, because most people find puppies cuter, so on, so fourth.
User avatar #80 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
The thing is, if we have no way to actually measure something's superiority, we have to look to the value assigned to it by other people. You can't argue that something has no value, because once you ascertain that you can't imperically say that it is superior, you look to what other people say.

I guess we have really different ways of looking at value.
User avatar #82 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Not at all, sir. I agree with you 100% that certain things are better than others, what I'm saying is that this changes based on either who uses it or the situation it is used in. A gun cannot put a nail into a wall, but a hammer can; thus a hammer could be seen as more valuable right then; but if a person didn't know how to properly use a hammer, it would be useless all the same.

In a fight, a rifle could be seen as better than knife, but if someone has crappy aim with a gun and perfect aim with a knife, the knife would be better for that person.

The examples you could use to this view are endless indeed, and I am not arguing that everything is absolutely the same; what I'm saying is everything is 'useful' ONLY depending on A. The person utilizing it, and B. The Situation that it is in
User avatar #84 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh, there seems to be some misinterpreatation in what exactly my argument is-
What I mean to say is that, when a universally recognized as good reason is used to justify war, like loss of life, no one is going to say 'oh, thats a shitty reason, they need to be stopped'.
To extend your analogy, I'm saying that whenever a hammer is used to hammer a nail, no one's going to tell you you're doing it wrong.
I may have misinterpretated your argument as 'there is no good reason to go to war' as ' there is no correct way to pound a nail into a plank of wood'
User avatar #86 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
I am, however, also confused as to how you bring in actually being able to use the tool-a reason for war isn't exactly used, it's just a thing/concept.
User avatar #85 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh! My apologies then.
User avatar #81 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Additionally, imo, something cannot not have any value, therefor we must have SOME standard to measure it by
User avatar #83 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
But doesn't that only apply to subjective things? Not objective?
User avatar #76 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
and their inherent value has little to do with what they are but mostly just has to do with how widely recognized as 'good, important' languages they are
User avatar #79 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Indeed! Just so! But that doesn't mean one language is inherently 'more' valuable on another in any universal scale. Someone bilingual is still bilingual regardless of their chosen language; but certain languages are more useful in certain scenarios. You can argue that makes one language better, but that also mean it will not always be as languages and popularity of them change as culture does.
#65 - **orangemars rolled image ** Well a lot of the times, wars …  [+] (16 new replies) 11/29/2014 on Religious Wars 0
User avatar #66 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
But as I explained before, that's only because that's what YOU value. Someone else fighting for their ancestral or sacred land might find their cause as righteous as yours. Likewise, someone fighting to maintain what they believe is their rightful rulership could also be seen as just.

The problem with war and conflict in general is that everyone believes they are fighting for the right thing, and the thing is, they are. Our values as characters that we hold as our core, defining feature differ from person to person but are no less important than the features of another, or another, or another after that; at the end of the day, who decides that their value is the more righteous and just is the one who wins the battle.
User avatar #71 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
I'm arguing that certain values are universally respected as good reasons to go to war and are therefor worthwhile reasons to go to war.
User avatar #72 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Yes, but again, others may not think so. I've heard more than enough people say "A life is a life is a life, regardless of whether they're an evil person or not, everyone deserves to live"
User avatar #73 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
That doesn't really contradict what I'm saying. Never has any group of people said 'eh fuck it, lets not go to war, rather watch everyone get slaughtered', which means that imminent destruction of human life is a universally recognized good reason to go to war.
User avatar #74 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
I wasn't trying to contradict your point, or anyone's point, all I'm saying is that what a "good reason" is, universal or no, depends only on the person who interprets them. Fighting for innocent people is just as righteous as fighting to keep your sacred land or fighting to keep your earned place of power, ect. ect.
User avatar #75 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
But wouldn't a standard that is universally recognized as a good one inherently have more value than one that only some people recognize as good? For example, you can't really argue that knowing how to speak english, chinese or french is of the same value than knowing how to speak a language spoken by 3 tribes in the Saharan desert
User avatar #78 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Of course not, but language isn't subjective, morals are. Just because something is universally valued doesn't mean it's 'better' than something not, it just means the people perceiving it value it more.

Consider it like this: Most people in the world prefer chocolate ice-cream to vanilla, but that doesn't make chocolate inherently 'superior' to vanilla, it just means it appeals to the tastes of one person who happens to be part of a bigger group who like it. You see?

If things were viewed on a universal scale of majority rule, Religion would be BETTER than Atheism, as most of the world is Religious. Likewise, puppies would be BETTER than babies, because most people find puppies cuter, so on, so fourth.
User avatar #80 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
The thing is, if we have no way to actually measure something's superiority, we have to look to the value assigned to it by other people. You can't argue that something has no value, because once you ascertain that you can't imperically say that it is superior, you look to what other people say.

I guess we have really different ways of looking at value.
User avatar #82 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Not at all, sir. I agree with you 100% that certain things are better than others, what I'm saying is that this changes based on either who uses it or the situation it is used in. A gun cannot put a nail into a wall, but a hammer can; thus a hammer could be seen as more valuable right then; but if a person didn't know how to properly use a hammer, it would be useless all the same.

In a fight, a rifle could be seen as better than knife, but if someone has crappy aim with a gun and perfect aim with a knife, the knife would be better for that person.

The examples you could use to this view are endless indeed, and I am not arguing that everything is absolutely the same; what I'm saying is everything is 'useful' ONLY depending on A. The person utilizing it, and B. The Situation that it is in
User avatar #84 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh, there seems to be some misinterpreatation in what exactly my argument is-
What I mean to say is that, when a universally recognized as good reason is used to justify war, like loss of life, no one is going to say 'oh, thats a shitty reason, they need to be stopped'.
To extend your analogy, I'm saying that whenever a hammer is used to hammer a nail, no one's going to tell you you're doing it wrong.
I may have misinterpretated your argument as 'there is no good reason to go to war' as ' there is no correct way to pound a nail into a plank of wood'
User avatar #86 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
I am, however, also confused as to how you bring in actually being able to use the tool-a reason for war isn't exactly used, it's just a thing/concept.
User avatar #85 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Oh! My apologies then.
User avatar #81 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
Additionally, imo, something cannot not have any value, therefor we must have SOME standard to measure it by
User avatar #83 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
But doesn't that only apply to subjective things? Not objective?
User avatar #76 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
and their inherent value has little to do with what they are but mostly just has to do with how widely recognized as 'good, important' languages they are
User avatar #79 - captainfuckitall (11/29/2014) [-]
Indeed! Just so! But that doesn't mean one language is inherently 'more' valuable on another in any universal scale. Someone bilingual is still bilingual regardless of their chosen language; but certain languages are more useful in certain scenarios. You can argue that makes one language better, but that also mean it will not always be as languages and popularity of them change as culture does.
#100 - **orangemars rolled image ** The day this app is released i…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/29/2014 on I want this App 0
User avatar #101 - kazene (11/29/2014) [-]
wait... girl gargoyle was a baddie??
#98 - **orangemars rolled image ** damn, I got good rolls 11/29/2014 on Bad Grade +3
#97 - **orangemars rolled image ** It all comes down to: are you …  [+] (1 new reply) 11/29/2014 on Bad Grade +2
#98 - orangemars (11/29/2014) [-]
**orangemars rolled image** damn, I got good rolls
#12 - "I killed a man" "SAMUEL KIERAN THATS THE L…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/28/2014 on solid advice 0
User avatar #13 - aabbccddeeffgghhii (11/28/2014) [-]
BUT MAAA YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME!

FUCK YOU ALL!
#109 - **orangemars rolled image ** WELL **** YOU TOO  [+] (1 new reply) 11/28/2014 on Men! we dont know what we did +9
#211 - pumkinz (11/28/2014) [-]
why? you don't like puppets?
#108 - **orangemars rolls 0** Please don't be 0 that **** is scary.  [+] (2 new replies) 11/28/2014 on Men! we dont know what we did +88
#109 - orangemars (11/28/2014) [-]
**orangemars rolled image** WELL FUCK YOU TOO
#211 - pumkinz (11/28/2014) [-]
why? you don't like puppets?
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User avatar #58 - orangemars (11/26/2014) [-]
damn thats hot
#10 - It would be more accurate if he took pills in every other slide 11/26/2014 on House +10
#143 - I mis-phrased that, sorry. Kelvin is basically the same thing … 11/25/2014 on Temperature 0
#79 - YOU'RE ALL WRONG Kelvin is for gases and hyper-precise me…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/23/2014 on Temperature +4
#114 - kangster (11/23/2014) [-]
hyper-precise? It uses the same scale as Celsius
User avatar #143 - orangemars (11/25/2014) [-]
I mis-phrased that, sorry. Kelvin is basically the same thing as Celsius, just shifted down a bit with some values that are hyper-precise '0 at celsius is water freezes. 0 at kelvin means electrons stop moving'
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