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#23 - jettom (10/04/2015) [-]
Did he really?
Syria prior to the civil wars was seen as one of the few stable countries in the middle east, and the Syrian people were very much educated. A good portion could speak English, they were allowed to study in Western countries without problems and Syria itself was seen as a tourist country. It also have close ties with Russia.
Then the Arabian Spring happens. "Oh wow this is great!" Libya is torn apart, Egypt was torn apart, and then the movement arrived in Syria. Assad said no. he did it with an iron fist, what he did was horrible, but was it the worst choice? Look at Syria now, it's horrible. Millions are dead, even more are running to better lives in Europe and the whole situation has just gotten worse and worse and worse.
What if America didn't decide to arm various rebel groups there? What if they simply took their fucking nose away from Arabia for one goddamn moment? Syria's heavily allied with Russia. They should've let Russia deal with it. I'm sure Putin could've put some embargoes or give Assad a stern correction, instead they do what? Create a huge civil war that will by all readings of the situation last longer than World War 2, cause yet another huge gap of power in the Middle East (that ISIL filled. Lovely!) and drive Europe back into fascism and nazism. I see my 14 year old cousin sit on stormfront because he hates Arabs, showing what he finds to his Mother and being praised by his Dad and Uncle for not blindly following the national newspapers and their lying propaganda. The whole situation has gone to fucking hell, and even while this shit is going on in Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan both have new issues with their own extremists. Surprisingly enough this happened the same few days that Russia decided to bomb Syria themself - what a fucking coincidence.
As the Russians say, ISIL and Talisban only exist in the western media. In truth ISIL has less than 20.000 soldiers left fighting for them. There's no way in hell they'll be around for long.
#31 - onewhoobserves (10/04/2015) [-]
Yes...Because Russia have been instrumental in reducing the conflict. Just look at Ukraine. Or at the fact that the Russian's have been supplying arms as well as supplying military and technical advisors whilst also maintaining a neutral stance towards both sides since the conflict began. But really have you done any research beyond a basic google search? I mean all you have to do is look at the simply staggering amount of articles detailing external involvement in the conflict to realize you are wrong about the Russians even considering stepping in beyond giving the Assad government more weapons to kill its own citizens prior to its direct involvement in 2015.
And how well did the Soviets do fighting against the Taliban in Afghanistan? If I remember correctly the answer was not well. Or the rebels in Chechnya? So I'm not sure I would trust their judgement on how long ISIL is going to be around as they have not demonstrated sound judgement in their own conflicts in that area.
#32 - jettom (10/04/2015) [-]
Ah yes, Ukraine. The slavic country where the populace suddenly had an armed uprising in a democratic nation lead by fascist neo-nazists backed by America. Where half the population wants tighter bonds with Europe and the other half wants tighter bonds with Russia. The Ukraine situation is by far the most retarded shit America has left upon the Western world. And of course Russia has had a presence with the government since the conflict began. Syria and Russia are good allies, of course they'd support Assad. Them giving military support to him, no matter in what way, isn't surprising. It's despicable, without a doubt, but I find their methods a lot more clean than America's "I don't like the government, we'll claim the government is a power-hungry, anti-democratic unity, incite armed rebellion among the populace, topple the government, place the rebel leaders who we've greased on the pedestal and gain another ally"
The Union did a horrible job in Afghanistan. I'm not denying that. But did America do any better? The Rebels of Chechnya were very much crushed in the second Chechnyan war.
#33 - onewhoobserves (10/04/2015) [-]
I'm not arguing that America's handling of the Syrian Civil War has been good. I was simply pointing out that your assumption that Russia (or Putin as the case may be) would do something to actually intervene in the conflict was something of a pipe dream as they have done nothing but support the Assad government militarily. I did this through the use of evidence(articles) of said military support and by pointing out the escalation of the Ukrainian civil war by Russia because of its annexation of Crimea and sending Russian troops into the conflict rather than any attempt to particularly reduce that conflict.
The examples of Afghanistan and Chechnya were brought up because they were examples of Soviet/Russian overestimation of their own capabilities and underestimation of their opponents resolve/capabilities. From those examples it doesn't appear that they have a particularly good appraisal of how long/how much effort it will take to deal with insurgent groups. As such I was pointing out that their judgement of how long it would take to deal with ISIL may very well be flawed as they have not had a decent track record in the past for such appraisals.
#28 - anon (10/04/2015) [-]
I doubt you've ever been to Syria past googling shit...
#29 - jettom (10/04/2015) [-]
Indeed I haven't, but I had a vacation there I had to cancel as it was around the start of the civil war. I've always been interested in Babylonian and Assyrian history, so to "celebrate" me completing high school I bought a trip to Damascus, I'm still rather salty about that.
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