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#133 - False equivalency. Gun crime has declined since 2004, peaking …  [+] (3 replies) 09/25/2016 on powerful +4
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#134 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
"Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US."
Chicago has strict gun laws but the areas/neighboring states around it have some of the laxest gun laws ever.
All you'd need to do is drive 45 minutes from Chicago to Indiana or whatever, get a gun from their, and then drive back home.
#139 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
Well you're not 100% wrong. It's a federal crime to purchase a handgun from beyond the boarders of your home state. And 99% of criminals can't pass a background check or even fill out the forms correctly in the first place. So they do one of three things:

1 - They steal a gun. This can be from an owner like my self, another gang member or rival that they killed, or from a cop (yes. It has happened. Twice in California I think).

2 - they purchase it illegally. This is done in any number of ways. The most popular is a straw purchase. They have someone buy the gun for them, then they give it to the criminal (super duper I legal because you're breaking 4 separate federal laws). They buy it from a black market arms dealer (who gets it by a combo of 1 or 2, erases the serial number, which is another federal crime, then resells it or it comes in from another country via mule. Check out underground Inc for a detailed version of this. It's disgusting.)

3 - they make it themselves. Zip guns have been made for so many years by gang membersince. They're hard to track, harder to find, and leave no paper trail.
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#137 - geofalke (09/25/2016) [-]
that still doesn't take into consideration that despite how "lax" the laws are, federal background checks are still mandatory for every single legal firearm vendor in the US, meaning the criminals who would go to those areas to purchase guns would still be turned away by legal vendors after a background check.

so again, it's not an issue with the laws themselves that are already in place, but rather those who circumnavigate the laws (criminals) to get their hands on firearms.

adding more restrictive legislation on legal vendors will in no way curtail criminal usage of firearms and would only lead to an even less law abiding citizens arming themselves for the sake of personal protection because the process would become even more of a hassle to go though than it already is.
#128 - No you cant. If it's a private sale (which I will admit can ge…  [+] (6 replies) 09/25/2016 on powerful +3
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#130 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
Explain to me then why the U.S has some of the highest gun-related crime rates in the world yet has some of the highest gun-ownership rates in the world.
#273 - kmichel (09/25/2016) [-]
There's zero correlation between the rate of gun murder and the rate of gun ownership across countries. Check my content to see the largest dataset available for 107 total countries. There is no trend for developed / undeveloped, no trend based on poverty, just no trend whatsoever.
#133 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
False equivalency. Gun crime has declined since 2004, peaking in the mid to late 90's. Which was during President Clinton's flagship assault weapons ban.

If you look at the statistics, gun related crimes get lumped in with suicides. If you remove suicides from the equation, all of a sudden several countries start to lead in gun crime. Now you can argue that suicide is illegal, and must be placed in those statistics for proper correlation. We can look at other factors as well. The other being gang related crime. Which accounts for a majority of gun related crime. They're already doing something illegal, they don't care if they steal a gun, they don't care if they kill someone.

It's not a gun problem we have, it's a criminal problem. When people that are caught committing those crimes get a plea bargain that drops gun charges and reduced their sentence to time served then that is a major problem. At that point you're not addressing the root cause of the problem (the person). And because of that you're not going to see meaningful change.

Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US.

Now me personally, I blame the 24/7 media coverage that happens after a "mass shooting". They almost glorify the shooter and I believe this causes copy cat tendencies.
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#134 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
"Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US."
Chicago has strict gun laws but the areas/neighboring states around it have some of the laxest gun laws ever.
All you'd need to do is drive 45 minutes from Chicago to Indiana or whatever, get a gun from their, and then drive back home.
#139 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
Well you're not 100% wrong. It's a federal crime to purchase a handgun from beyond the boarders of your home state. And 99% of criminals can't pass a background check or even fill out the forms correctly in the first place. So they do one of three things:

1 - They steal a gun. This can be from an owner like my self, another gang member or rival that they killed, or from a cop (yes. It has happened. Twice in California I think).

2 - they purchase it illegally. This is done in any number of ways. The most popular is a straw purchase. They have someone buy the gun for them, then they give it to the criminal (super duper I legal because you're breaking 4 separate federal laws). They buy it from a black market arms dealer (who gets it by a combo of 1 or 2, erases the serial number, which is another federal crime, then resells it or it comes in from another country via mule. Check out underground Inc for a detailed version of this. It's disgusting.)

3 - they make it themselves. Zip guns have been made for so many years by gang membersince. They're hard to track, harder to find, and leave no paper trail.
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#137 - geofalke (09/25/2016) [-]
that still doesn't take into consideration that despite how "lax" the laws are, federal background checks are still mandatory for every single legal firearm vendor in the US, meaning the criminals who would go to those areas to purchase guns would still be turned away by legal vendors after a background check.

so again, it's not an issue with the laws themselves that are already in place, but rather those who circumnavigate the laws (criminals) to get their hands on firearms.

adding more restrictive legislation on legal vendors will in no way curtail criminal usage of firearms and would only lead to an even less law abiding citizens arming themselves for the sake of personal protection because the process would become even more of a hassle to go though than it already is.
#125 - Can you name those loopholes? I already know one or two you're…  [+] (8 replies) 09/25/2016 on powerful +4
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#126 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
In many different states, you can purchase firearms with little to no identification in gun-shows and festivals.
#128 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
No you cant. If it's a private sale (which I will admit can get a little dicey if you don't know the person) then little to no id is required, cash and carry and you're done. At a legit gun show, most of the vendors are licensed dealers and are required under federal law to call for a background check to verify a clean criminal history before sale.
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#130 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
Explain to me then why the U.S has some of the highest gun-related crime rates in the world yet has some of the highest gun-ownership rates in the world.
#273 - kmichel (09/25/2016) [-]
There's zero correlation between the rate of gun murder and the rate of gun ownership across countries. Check my content to see the largest dataset available for 107 total countries. There is no trend for developed / undeveloped, no trend based on poverty, just no trend whatsoever.
#133 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
False equivalency. Gun crime has declined since 2004, peaking in the mid to late 90's. Which was during President Clinton's flagship assault weapons ban.

If you look at the statistics, gun related crimes get lumped in with suicides. If you remove suicides from the equation, all of a sudden several countries start to lead in gun crime. Now you can argue that suicide is illegal, and must be placed in those statistics for proper correlation. We can look at other factors as well. The other being gang related crime. Which accounts for a majority of gun related crime. They're already doing something illegal, they don't care if they steal a gun, they don't care if they kill someone.

It's not a gun problem we have, it's a criminal problem. When people that are caught committing those crimes get a plea bargain that drops gun charges and reduced their sentence to time served then that is a major problem. At that point you're not addressing the root cause of the problem (the person). And because of that you're not going to see meaningful change.

Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US.

Now me personally, I blame the 24/7 media coverage that happens after a "mass shooting". They almost glorify the shooter and I believe this causes copy cat tendencies.
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#134 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
"Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US."
Chicago has strict gun laws but the areas/neighboring states around it have some of the laxest gun laws ever.
All you'd need to do is drive 45 minutes from Chicago to Indiana or whatever, get a gun from their, and then drive back home.
#139 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
Well you're not 100% wrong. It's a federal crime to purchase a handgun from beyond the boarders of your home state. And 99% of criminals can't pass a background check or even fill out the forms correctly in the first place. So they do one of three things:

1 - They steal a gun. This can be from an owner like my self, another gang member or rival that they killed, or from a cop (yes. It has happened. Twice in California I think).

2 - they purchase it illegally. This is done in any number of ways. The most popular is a straw purchase. They have someone buy the gun for them, then they give it to the criminal (super duper I legal because you're breaking 4 separate federal laws). They buy it from a black market arms dealer (who gets it by a combo of 1 or 2, erases the serial number, which is another federal crime, then resells it or it comes in from another country via mule. Check out underground Inc for a detailed version of this. It's disgusting.)

3 - they make it themselves. Zip guns have been made for so many years by gang membersince. They're hard to track, harder to find, and leave no paper trail.
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#137 - geofalke (09/25/2016) [-]
that still doesn't take into consideration that despite how "lax" the laws are, federal background checks are still mandatory for every single legal firearm vendor in the US, meaning the criminals who would go to those areas to purchase guns would still be turned away by legal vendors after a background check.

so again, it's not an issue with the laws themselves that are already in place, but rather those who circumnavigate the laws (criminals) to get their hands on firearms.

adding more restrictive legislation on legal vendors will in no way curtail criminal usage of firearms and would only lead to an even less law abiding citizens arming themselves for the sake of personal protection because the process would become even more of a hassle to go though than it already is.
#116 - Allow me to educate my British friend. The US already has hund…  [+] (11 replies) 09/25/2016 on powerful 0
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#122 - sachonebeef (09/25/2016) [-]
My thanks for helping educate me in a civil way, rather than just shooting me down

Pardon the pun
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#118 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
We don't need more gun reform -- we just need more SENSIBLE gun reform.

Sure there are "hundreds" of restrictions of firearms and shit, but the fact of the matter is that most of those restrictions are either stupid or have massive gaping loopholes that completely defeat the purpose of having said restrictions in the first place.
#125 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
Can you name those loopholes? I already know one or two you're thinking of and that's the gun show loop hole (which doesn't exist) and private face to face sales.

I'll give you an example of gun laws in New Jersey (the state I live in).

All firearms are registered on purchase (except for private sale long guns), you can only buy one handgun (pistol) per 30 day period, private sale hand guns require a permit to be bought then the buyer has to send in the paperwork to the state police to register the sale under his or her name. And if you buy it 1 day to soon, then the police will come and arrest you. Semi automatic rifles can only have so many features. If it has a pistol grip, it can only have a detachable magazine, flash hiders are banned specifically by the state government. After you navigate through the myriad of laws after purchase, you have to keep your firearms locked up and if you have a child in the house and your guns are left unsecured then you lose your guns, and possibly your child.

And before you can do ANY OF THIS, you have to apply for a permit to purchase long guns. Which is 100 dollars, a federal background check, state background check, county mental health records check, then your finger prints are taken, three references contacted to verify your intent and identity to ensure you're a good person your employer can be contacted as well.
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#126 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
In many different states, you can purchase firearms with little to no identification in gun-shows and festivals.
#128 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
No you cant. If it's a private sale (which I will admit can get a little dicey if you don't know the person) then little to no id is required, cash and carry and you're done. At a legit gun show, most of the vendors are licensed dealers and are required under federal law to call for a background check to verify a clean criminal history before sale.
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#130 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
Explain to me then why the U.S has some of the highest gun-related crime rates in the world yet has some of the highest gun-ownership rates in the world.
#273 - kmichel (09/25/2016) [-]
There's zero correlation between the rate of gun murder and the rate of gun ownership across countries. Check my content to see the largest dataset available for 107 total countries. There is no trend for developed / undeveloped, no trend based on poverty, just no trend whatsoever.
#133 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
False equivalency. Gun crime has declined since 2004, peaking in the mid to late 90's. Which was during President Clinton's flagship assault weapons ban.

If you look at the statistics, gun related crimes get lumped in with suicides. If you remove suicides from the equation, all of a sudden several countries start to lead in gun crime. Now you can argue that suicide is illegal, and must be placed in those statistics for proper correlation. We can look at other factors as well. The other being gang related crime. Which accounts for a majority of gun related crime. They're already doing something illegal, they don't care if they steal a gun, they don't care if they kill someone.

It's not a gun problem we have, it's a criminal problem. When people that are caught committing those crimes get a plea bargain that drops gun charges and reduced their sentence to time served then that is a major problem. At that point you're not addressing the root cause of the problem (the person). And because of that you're not going to see meaningful change.

Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US.

Now me personally, I blame the 24/7 media coverage that happens after a "mass shooting". They almost glorify the shooter and I believe this causes copy cat tendencies.
User avatar
#134 - iviagic (09/25/2016) [-]
"Honestly, look at Chicago. Over 3000 gun deaths this year. They also have the strictest gun laws in the US."
Chicago has strict gun laws but the areas/neighboring states around it have some of the laxest gun laws ever.
All you'd need to do is drive 45 minutes from Chicago to Indiana or whatever, get a gun from their, and then drive back home.
#139 - notyaoming (09/25/2016) [-]
Well you're not 100% wrong. It's a federal crime to purchase a handgun from beyond the boarders of your home state. And 99% of criminals can't pass a background check or even fill out the forms correctly in the first place. So they do one of three things:

1 - They steal a gun. This can be from an owner like my self, another gang member or rival that they killed, or from a cop (yes. It has happened. Twice in California I think).

2 - they purchase it illegally. This is done in any number of ways. The most popular is a straw purchase. They have someone buy the gun for them, then they give it to the criminal (super duper I legal because you're breaking 4 separate federal laws). They buy it from a black market arms dealer (who gets it by a combo of 1 or 2, erases the serial number, which is another federal crime, then resells it or it comes in from another country via mule. Check out underground Inc for a detailed version of this. It's disgusting.)

3 - they make it themselves. Zip guns have been made for so many years by gang membersince. They're hard to track, harder to find, and leave no paper trail.
User avatar
#137 - geofalke (09/25/2016) [-]
that still doesn't take into consideration that despite how "lax" the laws are, federal background checks are still mandatory for every single legal firearm vendor in the US, meaning the criminals who would go to those areas to purchase guns would still be turned away by legal vendors after a background check.

so again, it's not an issue with the laws themselves that are already in place, but rather those who circumnavigate the laws (criminals) to get their hands on firearms.

adding more restrictive legislation on legal vendors will in no way curtail criminal usage of firearms and would only lead to an even less law abiding citizens arming themselves for the sake of personal protection because the process would become even more of a hassle to go though than it already is.
#28 - There's a two stage recoil management system. The first is the…  [+] (1 reply) 08/17/2016 on Some powerful freedom. +12
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#33 - tonicwater (08/17/2016) [-]
also that muzzle brake directs gases rearward, pushing the rifle forward
#38 - Combat rifle in .45 cal, Hunting Rifle I call Elmer Fudd, and …  [+] (1 reply) 11/23/2015 on Fallout 4 customized... 0
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#40 - albeit (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, I have that 10mm that does 50% extra damage against synths. I missed out on an awesome .50 cal semi auto sniper. I looted it in the first quest for the Cabot house line after killing those raiders, then a bunch of raiders spawned around me including two legendaries and kicked my ass. I reloaded and went back through it but the gun wasnt there the second time.
#36 - if you pick the gunslinger perk (I think thats the one) pistol…  [+] (3 replies) 11/23/2015 on Fallout 4 customized... 0
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#37 - albeit (11/23/2015) [-]
Sweet, thats the one I'm working on getting maxed out next. I fucking love using the .44. I use that, combat rifle for medium range/bigger firefights, and the sniper of course.
#38 - notyaoming (11/23/2015) [-]
Combat rifle in .45 cal, Hunting Rifle I call Elmer Fudd, and a 10mm suppressed pistol I call The Rusty Trombone.

I love this game.
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#40 - albeit (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, I have that 10mm that does 50% extra damage against synths. I missed out on an awesome .50 cal semi auto sniper. I looted it in the first quest for the Cabot house line after killing those raiders, then a bunch of raiders spawned around me including two legendaries and kicked my ass. I reloaded and went back through it but the gun wasnt there the second time.