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people seems to be getting sick of it, and thinks that enough is enough!
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User avatar #293 - douthit (07/04/2015) [-]
But then you must be advocating the complete ban of all guns. If you allow people to legally own anything at all, then every legal gun is one that could be stolen. Even if all guns were destroyed, criminals will MAKE guns. You're never gonna put that genie back in the bottle. Humans will never unlearn swords, or bows, or guns.
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User avatar #236 - douthit (07/04/2015) [-]
Most guns used in crimes are stolen.
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User avatar #284 - northleech (07/04/2015) [-]
Stolen from who? If there are gun laws in place you'd have to steal one from a fucking mob boss or a really serious criminal.
I don't know enough to have an educated opinion on gun laws, so i'm not for nor against, but it's common sense that if one was in place, it's not like every single smalltime thug would still have a gun.
User avatar #293 - douthit (07/04/2015) [-]
But then you must be advocating the complete ban of all guns. If you allow people to legally own anything at all, then every legal gun is one that could be stolen. Even if all guns were destroyed, criminals will MAKE guns. You're never gonna put that genie back in the bottle. Humans will never unlearn swords, or bows, or guns.
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#83 - Dogs are still pack animals, so the point still stands.  [+] (9 new replies) 07/01/2015 on Cesar Millan proper madman +5
User avatar #89 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
No dear, dogs are no longer pack animals. That's been bread out of them. They are social animals, not pack. There is a distinct difference.
#290 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
14,000 years tops is not nearly long enough to undo millions of years of evolution. You're clearly an idiot.
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#131 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
A pack is a social group of canines. Dogs are social animals that live in social groups. Dogs are pack animals.

The problem is you each have a different idea of what 'pack' means in relation to wolves.
Please go check out my two texts by search for "gatorgirl7563" to see what I wrote on it.
#101 - papagascoigne (07/01/2015) [-]
you were right for the most part, but wrong on that, dogs still have pack mentality. it has never been bred out. haven't you every seen stray dog packs?
User avatar #104 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
Who hasn't seen stray dogs? I reiterate, dogs are social animals. There is a massive difference between being social and haing a pack mentality. I'm not sure how many more times I have to say this before it sinks in
#289 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
I'd really like to know where you work, so that if I (well, anyone I know, since my dogs are always well-mannered) ever needed a "professional" trainer, I would know to avoid you.

Are you even licensed?
#106 - papagascoigne (07/01/2015) [-]
it wont sink in because its wrong. but go ahead and keep spouting it. its fun to watch
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#80 - Being dominated is in a pack animal's nature. Do you think eve…  [+] (30 new replies) 07/01/2015 on Cesar Millan proper madman +3
User avatar #82 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
Dogs aren't wolves. Dogs don't have the pack mentality their ancestors do. That's like saying we behave the same way chimps do. (inb4 joke about black people)
We've bred dogs over thousands and thousands of years, they've come much further than that.
If you are assertive, not dominant, that will work. A dog will respect you and follow you as a "leader", for want of a better term, because you train it properly. You reward it when it does good. You feed it, you give it a place to sleep, you keep it warm and you love it. Dominance over a dog is completely unnecessary.
Training in a positive way is key.
#220 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
people like you are the reason cesar has to rehabilitate dogs with actual training
#219 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
ok youre just retarded. you have just shown that you are absolutely NOT a professional dog trainer.
User avatar #94 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
>Dogs don't have the pack mentality their ancestors do

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm gonna have to disagree. If you're talking about the horribly inbred ones, like pugs, you have a point. However, non-retarded dogs still have a fairly strong pack instinct. That's why they form such strong bonds with their owners - the family is their pack. Also, stray dogs tend to form packs like wolves do. Around here, at least. As for the chimp thing, they wage wars, have slaves, commit acts of genocide, teach others their knowledge, different groups have their own little cultures and they fuck in order to get up the hierarchy. That's pretty damn human-like.
User avatar #96 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
No, I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. Dogs are highly social animals, hence the strong bond and enjoyment of being around other dogs. Their "pack" mentality has been bred out of them over thousands of years.

Chimps are catching us up, sure, but we, I'm sure you'll agree, are are more advanced in terms of society, language, etc.
User avatar #102 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
The only reason we're more advanced is because we developed sweat glands, so we don't have to pant in the heat. That meant less strain on our vocal cords and helped us develop the ability to speak. If they had that, we'd probably be waging a war with them right now. And could you explain the difference between a pack mentality and being really social? Because I'm not seeing it. A lot of dogs I know are aggressive towards anyone outside of their "family", which doesn't really seem very social to me.
User avatar #108 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
A pack mentality is what you see in wolves: they have leaders and followers, there is a hierarchy. There is a strict set of rules for packs. Alpha male/female, who remains so for life, all the way down to the bottom of the pack, the omega, who eats last, etc.
With dog "packs" you get with strays, there is rarely a true "alpha". You'll have assertive dogs who will mate with the most desireable females, but there is no hierarchy. there are no "rules" as it were with stray dogs. They will look out for each other, as "friends" do, eat together, play together, fight together. But again, there are no rules, no hierarchy. Some bitchin' dog can march up and challenge the most assrtive dog so he can have a go on the sexy lady dogs or get the juciest bite of thrown out steak, but again, this "position" is temporary. With packs of wolves, a challenge is rarely seen, if at all. If one is, it is often put into the dust quickly, then order is restored.
I hope that's managed to clear up some of the confusion.
#293 - katergator (07/03/2015) [-]
You may be a great dog trainer, but your knowledge about wolves is not so great. Your idea of wolves' pack life and pack mentality is very wrong. Please see my other posts on this topic of Caesar Milan, proper madman. (My posts are the ridiculously long ones, including two made before I made an account here.)
User avatar #110 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
So, basically it's Pack Mentality Lite.
User avatar #111 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
Oh dear.
No. No it isn't. Let me make it even simpler.
Pack = rules, hierarchy, leaders, followers
Stray dogs = no rules, no hierarchy, no real leaders, no real followers.
#279 - katergator (07/02/2015) [-]
Oooooookay. In the hopes of settling this pack/social/wolf/dog argument, here's my two cents:
When most people think "wolf pack", they think of a group of wolves living together, with an Alpha Male and Alpha Female ruling over everyone, some Beta wolves ruling as second in commands, a long list of wolves of middling rank, and an Omega wolf or two living at the bottom of this pyramid of hierarchy as the pack's furry punching bag. The Alpha pair rules by force -- dominating, bullying, beating up, & generally terrorizing all the other wolves to keep them in line. They are the strongest, toughest, & most vicious wolves in the pack and that is why they became the Alphas and how they stay in charge.
All the other wolves in the pack are constantly fighting amongst each other as they try to defeat the others so they can rise up in the social hierarchy of their pack, which will enable them to eat sooner at kills, walk closer to the front of the pack where the Alpha pair is when the pack travels, and generally have a better and more pleasant quality of life. The wolves are always always always fighting each other to attain a higher rank and gain more status, so pack-life can be brutal, violent, and short.
Is your mental image of a wolf pack similar to this? Well, sorry to disappoint you, but this description is... wrong, inaccurate, incorrect, dead wrong, untrue, false, erroneous, mistaken, unsound, fallacious, unreal, and fictitious.
I don't know how to make it any clearer.
Wolves do not live that way. Wolf packs do not function that way.
In fact, no group of animal social animals has EVER lived/functioned that way, except maybe human nobility living in the court of their king and who stabbed each other in the back with one hand even as they offer friendship with their other hand as they jockeyed for more power in Court and tried to curry favor with the King.

REAL wolves live together in groups that we humans call "packs". A "pack" is made up of a mom and dad wolf, who are the ones in charge. The rest of the pack consists of their children. This wolf family lives together for protection and works together cooperatively to have safer and easier hunting. They are a family who loves one another and will die protecting each other. Rank below the "alpha" pair, aka parents, is based on age, because with age comes skill and experience.
Yes. There are sometimes fights (or "domestic disputes", as my local cops call them) between the wolves when two simply can't come to an agreement peacefully and one loses his temper. Sometimes one of the kids disrespects mom/dad; it doesn't matter if the kid is grown -- if you live in their house, then you live by their rules. Sometimes a teenager gets a little too uppity/cocky/hormonal & needs to be reminded that s/he doesn't know better than its elders. For the most part, life in a pack is a life filled with peace, fun, family, and friendship. Everyday interactions among the wolves is based more on friendship than dominance. If two wolves don't get along, they just avoid one another so they don't get in a fight.

I will say it again: rank below the "alpha" pair, aka parents, is based on age & everyday interactions among the wolves is based more on friendship than dominance.
In fact, instead of thinking of a pack structure as a pyramid with a top wolf & bottom wolf & wolves in the middle being bossed around, you should imagine a pack's structure as a spiderweb with the parents in the center, then the oldest/wisest/most skilled/most-important-for-pack-survival wolves occupying the closest rings to the center & the less useful, less mature, younger wolves occupying the rings closest to the outside AND many tiny strands of webbing linking each wolf to all its packmates/family members with the thickness of the strand being based on the strength of the friendship relationship that exists between those two.

by gatorgirl7563 who had to become katergator because this website doesn't allow numbers in usernames
#282 - katergator (07/02/2015) [-]
The difference between wolf groups and stray dog groups is that there is no family relationship holding them together, no bond, no loyalty. They come together because their instincts tell them that they are social creatures and that living in a group is safer and more likely to result in easier hunting.
If I had to give it a dictionary definition, then I would say that a "pack", as in wolf pack, is "a group of genetically-related wolves living together for safety and hunting cooperatively together to survive."
If I had to give it a dictionary definition to the groups that stray dogs form, then I would say it is "a group of genetically-UNrelated dogs living together for safety and to improve their own individual quality of life, and hunting cooperatively together to survive."
The two definitions are close enough for me to feel comfortable saying that stray dogs live in "modified packs" or "non-standard packs".
Really the only difference is that the canines involved are not genetically related and so lack the strong bonds of loyalty. They are, in fact, coming together for the SAME reason that wolves live in pack in the first place: there's safety and power in numbers.
Even in the non-standard packs formed by stray and feral dogs, the hierarchy of the group is still not as violent and dominance-oriented as the inaccurate stereotype of the wolf pack. Yes, without the obvious leadership of parents, the pack structure is more violent and more fluid (more easily changed), and even more based on friendship. When two dogs argue, (Dog A: We're doing this my way. Dog B: No, MY way is better.) they fight. In human terms, these fights can range anywhere on the scale of seriousness from flipping a coin to dueling to the death, but realistically speaking, they still kill their 'pack'mates much less often than we humans murder our family members.

As for PET dogs, I'd say that they live in non-standard packs, too, though it’s still a pack. The dog lives cooperatively with you for safety and to ensure easier/safer acquisition of food; that's a non-standard pack. If you've had your dog since it was a pup, then you might as well call your arrangement a normal pack since that dog views you as its family, aka pack. I’m not saying your pet dog sees you as another dog. The reason dogs sometimes try to rule their human pack is simple: someone has to be in charge and the human owner, who stupidly chose never to learn the Dog language, accidentally told his pet either A) “I don’t want to be in charge,” or B) “You are in charge”.
User avatar #112 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
Yes, I get that, I was just trying to make a joke. Emphasis on the "trying" part. I'm not as stupid as I act.
User avatar #115 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
Phew. Sorry about that then, I've been dealing with idiots all day today. Forgive me for the assumption.
User avatar #116 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
Nah, it's OK. Happens all the time.
User avatar #121 - darksideofthebeast (07/01/2015) [-]
Psst, don't argue with him. He'll eventually just call you a nigger and not state any good information.
User avatar #122 - thechosentroll (07/01/2015) [-]
Nah, doesn't seem like that type. Also, I actually enjoy that.
User avatar #123 - darksideofthebeast (07/01/2015) [-]
Eh, fair enough. That's what he did to me.
Your post about your dog drinking gasoline and being tough was something I can agree with, however.
People just think you're supposed to treat dogs as your best friend.
While they are a great friend and companion, dominance and discipline is key.
Dogs are tough shits, I've seen what happens with dogs who get no dominance/discipline training. They can be nice, but they lack confidence and control over emotions.
User avatar #127 - thechosentroll (07/02/2015) [-]
Yeah, it was kind of important to teach mine some self-control, since it's preeeeeeeetty damn big. Also, my parents are vets and they took great care of it, so it's also somehow ripped, despite the fact that it doesn't get all that much exercise. If that 50kg pile of muscle decides to do something, you can't really stop it unless it wants to stop. I'd say I did a fairly good job, given how my parents were too busy to deal with it and I was 10 at the time. Then again, it could just be because she's really smart. She learned how to open doors and drawers just by watching. Also, when she had a period when she was drinking from the toilet she learned how to flush and pour herself some more. That dog's more perceptive that some people I know.
User avatar #130 - darksideofthebeast (07/02/2015) [-]
Yes, dogs certainly do mimic the actions of their masters/friends.
My dogs always did, especially the more attentive ones like my german shepherds.
And dogs certainly can handle discipline training, anyone who doesn't agree clearly hasn't seen a dog in war/police force. Those things are fierce and get put through some very vigorous training.
User avatar #83 - northleech (07/01/2015) [-]
Dogs are still pack animals, so the point still stands.
User avatar #89 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
No dear, dogs are no longer pack animals. That's been bread out of them. They are social animals, not pack. There is a distinct difference.
#290 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
14,000 years tops is not nearly long enough to undo millions of years of evolution. You're clearly an idiot.
#144 - Haentar (07/02/2015) [-]
#131 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
A pack is a social group of canines. Dogs are social animals that live in social groups. Dogs are pack animals.

The problem is you each have a different idea of what 'pack' means in relation to wolves.
Please go check out my two texts by search for "gatorgirl7563" to see what I wrote on it.
#101 - papagascoigne (07/01/2015) [-]
you were right for the most part, but wrong on that, dogs still have pack mentality. it has never been bred out. haven't you every seen stray dog packs?
User avatar #104 - BerryLicious (07/01/2015) [-]
Who hasn't seen stray dogs? I reiterate, dogs are social animals. There is a massive difference between being social and haing a pack mentality. I'm not sure how many more times I have to say this before it sinks in
#289 - anon (07/02/2015) [-]
I'd really like to know where you work, so that if I (well, anyone I know, since my dogs are always well-mannered) ever needed a "professional" trainer, I would know to avoid you.

Are you even licensed?
#106 - papagascoigne (07/01/2015) [-]
it wont sink in because its wrong. but go ahead and keep spouting it. its fun to watch
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#24 - pentol (06/30/2015) [-]
you forgot to add that /v/ kept making it more and more abstract, unrecognizable, and any 2x2 formation of anything will probably trigger anons to reply with "lossedit.png". pic related the most common and most minimalist abstraction is the:
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Furthermore, the reason this comic in particular got targeted was because it was an abrupt change from the lighthearted "jokes" about videogames, to a even shittier drama, totally not about his girlfriends miscarriage some years earlier.
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>>#24, jokexplain messed up, we are officially doomed
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#12 - anon (06/30/2015) [-]
So am I to understand that you're at a loss?
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