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Gimmie a straw and a paper clip and spawn me into a room with an elite military force, and I'll show you how I prepare a meal.

That meant nothing in particular, but hi! I'm new here. I'm gonna need a guide, so put on your helmet. I got a pair for the both of us.

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#204 - Now it's a battle for the last word. I shall win. 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
#203 - You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented befor…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
#201 - Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.  [+] (4 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems +1
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
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#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
#199 - Congrats, you're a retard. Since when did crime …  [+] (4 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
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#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
#198 - Well, I mean. Okay yeah, what the hell. 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
#196 - ... Youuu... may just have... Although I think …  [+] (2 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems +1
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
#194 - Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common …  [+] (6 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems +1
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#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
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#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
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#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
#192 - I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sort…  [+] (4 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
#190 - Prevention. Crime prevention. That's what this is about. What …  [+] (6 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
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#191 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So we're preventing a crime which has never happened, that hasn't happened yet, by arresting innocent people. 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Good, misrepresent my argument, that'll show me!
I have the radical idea that we only arrest people after they commit a crime. But you, you're far to smart for that: we have to arrest people before they commit a crime, if possible before they even leave the house. In fact, since all these crimes seem to be committed by men we should lock all the men up. From birth as well, to make sure they don't commit any crimes. Congrats, you're a feminist.
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#199 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Congrats, you're a retard.


Since when did crime prevention mean arresting anyone, dipshit? It's a concept as old as time, it's called THE LAW.

Can you imagine that for a second? A world where people followed laws? A world where people weren't trying to tear this social construct down, or any other social constructs that didn't make things illegal, but provided some form of common sense type guidelines for people to follow that further helped prevent crimes by setting certain standards, like, hmm, I dunno, bathroom signs?

You're trying way too hard to not sound like a keyboard warrior.
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
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#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
#187 - Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via …  [+] (8 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems +1
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#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
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#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
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#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
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#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
User avatar
#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
#186 - Yeah, uh huh, until the security guard then decides he wants y…  [+] (6 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
#189 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"We shouldnt have security guards in bathrooms because they might rape someone"
"We shouldnt have police officers in malls because they might steal things"
"We shouldnt have army men on the battlefield because they might kill their allies"
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes
That COULD happen
But humans COULD develop a new way to get rid of fecal matter in the next week, and bathrooms could become a thing of the past
Or a meteor COULD hit the earth and destroy everything
Just because things CAN happen doesnt mean we should assume that they will

Like if you eat food chances are that at some point in your life you will get a foodborne ilness
That doesnt mean you should STOP FUCKING EATING
DUMBASS
God damn
Its like talking to a wall
And a dumb wall, too

And no
There wasnt any reason to change bathroom laws
Things were fucking fine before
You remember all those transgender related bathroom rapes that stopped when the laws were changed?
Yeah
ME NEITHER
BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY
Someone pitched a fucking bitch about some tranny in a bathroom
And right wing media caught hold of it and blew it out of proportion which is about as rare as the fucking sun coming up
And now everyones loosing their minds because PEOPLE are doing THINGS that COULD BE USED TO HARM US
This stupid fucking worst case scenario fearmongering is why no one in the UK can buy a fucking kitchen knife without being arrested for possesion of a fucking WMD
Fucks sake
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#192 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sorta mostly a FUCKING JOKE YOU TWINK. Of course it's not a stupid idea to have a security guard. I mean, honestly the way things are going we'll probably need them now.

But it's all a sick joke. The biggest problem is allowing men or women into the bathroom of their choice. The constant tearing down of social construct. Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts? Or do they literally have to be torn asunder before the world is happy?

Also, all caps are kind of overused. You should probably stop.

#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
#181 - Because there's a goddamn REASON for them being arrested. They…  [+] (10 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
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#185 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So you mean to tell me that they couldn't just walk into the bathroom and do whatever they wanted with no consequence? But I thought letting transpeople into bathrooms would instantly allow that to happen?!

Depends what species of shark, the vast majority are afraid of humans.
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#187 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via bathroom signs will allow them to do whatever they want to? You're seriously missing the point--ah, wait, that's not a surprise. You're basically telling me it happens all the time, right? Yeah rapists just go willy nilly into any bathroom they want to rape, as long as it's a bathroom they're good, doesn't matter which one. Its not like the idea of a man being in a woman's bathroom will set off any alarms, nooo.

Or wait, that's right, we should just assume that every man in a woman's bathroom is transgender. Yeah, they make up fifty percent of the planets population, right? Right???
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#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
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#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
User avatar
#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
User avatar
#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
User avatar
#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
User avatar
#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
#180 - And by chance, what do you think is presumptuous about a man i…  [+] (8 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
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#184 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yes, he's "guilty" of that, though it's not a crime.

How about laws? How about we fucking lock people up when people break them, not before.

Yes, because in this universe we don't automatically assume someone's a criminal because they could be. BECAUSE ANYONE COULD BE.

Seriously, there's nothing for me to say, you defeated yourself.
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#190 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Prevention. Crime prevention. That's what this is about. What do you not get. This is utterly mind blowing. Why. Do you want crimes to happen?? Do you seriously just want to sit back and watch something happen and then go, "up, been watchin you for the last two hours, knew you were gonna do something, and ya did it. Let's send you to jail now, buddy."

How about let's NOT lock anyone in jail. How about let's prevent there being victims. How about that.

You keep setting yourself up on a pedestal just to fall right back the fuck off. Chill your tumblrite hormones for half a sec.
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#191 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So we're preventing a crime which has never happened, that hasn't happened yet, by arresting innocent people. 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Good, misrepresent my argument, that'll show me!
I have the radical idea that we only arrest people after they commit a crime. But you, you're far to smart for that: we have to arrest people before they commit a crime, if possible before they even leave the house. In fact, since all these crimes seem to be committed by men we should lock all the men up. From birth as well, to make sure they don't commit any crimes. Congrats, you're a feminist.
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#199 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Congrats, you're a retard.


Since when did crime prevention mean arresting anyone, dipshit? It's a concept as old as time, it's called THE LAW.

Can you imagine that for a second? A world where people followed laws? A world where people weren't trying to tear this social construct down, or any other social constructs that didn't make things illegal, but provided some form of common sense type guidelines for people to follow that further helped prevent crimes by setting certain standards, like, hmm, I dunno, bathroom signs?

You're trying way too hard to not sound like a keyboard warrior.
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
User avatar
#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
User avatar
#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
User avatar
#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
#178 - Aaaaand once again with the delusion. I've already given you r…  [+] (12 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems +1
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#179 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
You've given me reports of people being arrested... I want proof that they can get away with it. If they're getting arrested how is there a problem?

Ok, but are they attacking people?

>calls me delusional
>thinks rationality is "an ideology"
>thinks we should presume guilt

Society has fucking collapsed.
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#181 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because there's a goddamn REASON for them being arrested. They committed a CRIME. The whole idea is to PREVENT the crime so no one has to go to jail. How does this not register?

>"okay but are they attacking people"

Of fucking course you would say that. Gee, I dunno, if you went into a tank with a shark, what do you think would happen? Would you pet it and be best friends with it? Nah, they have to attack with the LASERS, yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Society has collapsed.
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#185 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So you mean to tell me that they couldn't just walk into the bathroom and do whatever they wanted with no consequence? But I thought letting transpeople into bathrooms would instantly allow that to happen?!

Depends what species of shark, the vast majority are afraid of humans.
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#187 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via bathroom signs will allow them to do whatever they want to? You're seriously missing the point--ah, wait, that's not a surprise. You're basically telling me it happens all the time, right? Yeah rapists just go willy nilly into any bathroom they want to rape, as long as it's a bathroom they're good, doesn't matter which one. Its not like the idea of a man being in a woman's bathroom will set off any alarms, nooo.

Or wait, that's right, we should just assume that every man in a woman's bathroom is transgender. Yeah, they make up fifty percent of the planets population, right? Right???
User avatar
#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
User avatar
#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
User avatar
#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
User avatar
#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
User avatar
#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
User avatar
#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
#177 - Works the other way around too, hotshot. Security compromised …  [+] (8 new replies) 05/18/2016 on non-tranny problems 0
#183 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit?"
No it doesnt
Because that is going to be the case no matter what
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a fucking gay rapist who wants my sweet twink asshole for themselves
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a cult of Lovecraftian madmen whos current objective is to cut my head off and sacrifice me to lord Pthmlthurp
Its how life is
Life is unsure and dangerous as all fuck
Get used to it
"Mama always said life is like a box of sweet twink assholes, you never know what youre gonna get until you bite into it"

If someone follows me into the bathroom with a creepy look, does it really matter what gender they are?

Okay lets say say that things go cray-cray and you can only go into the bathroom of your birth gender
Not only would that mean that you would still have people with penises going into the womens room because there are people who have had female-to-male surgeries
But it wont matter a bit whats illegal

Someone of a different gender follows you into a bathroom with a creepy look?
Well if you say "You cant be in here" and they leave then they probably werent going to fucking do anything in the first place
If they come into the bathroom with the intent to rape you then you are getting raped
Saying "YOU CANT DO THIS THIS IS ILLEGAL" wont change shit

You know what actually would stop rapes in bathrooms?
Security guards
Have a little stall just for a security guard, who just sits there all day
That way if someone starts getting raped he can step out and stop them
And trans people can use the bathrooms all they want
If people really cared about stopping bathroom rape they would be vying for security
But its not about bathroom rape
Its about "I dont want your kind with my kind"
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#186 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, uh huh, until the security guard then decides he wants your sweet twink asshole for himself.

I think the downfall of Target is speaking for itself. It's a principal set in people's minds. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the age old role of gender separation doesn't actually hinder the minds of potential criminals. If that's the case, what's the goddamn point of taking them down? Why is that so important? Because people want to actively fight "I don't want your kind with my kind?" The concept of gender seperation is WAY older than this recent spiel of "equality." It was made into this as another target of new wave bullshit attempting to tear down the world and reconstruct it in their image. Look at the social disrupt it's causing. If the bathroom laws didn't mean or do anything in the first place, there was no reason to change them other than to upset the world. Everyone had their equality. Even rapists, according to the arguments of modern day feminist and those in this thread. Now is a problem. Now it's making news. Why? Because people choose goddamn bathroom signs as identification.
#189 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"We shouldnt have security guards in bathrooms because they might rape someone"
"We shouldnt have police officers in malls because they might steal things"
"We shouldnt have army men on the battlefield because they might kill their allies"
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes
That COULD happen
But humans COULD develop a new way to get rid of fecal matter in the next week, and bathrooms could become a thing of the past
Or a meteor COULD hit the earth and destroy everything
Just because things CAN happen doesnt mean we should assume that they will

Like if you eat food chances are that at some point in your life you will get a foodborne ilness
That doesnt mean you should STOP FUCKING EATING
DUMBASS
God damn
Its like talking to a wall
And a dumb wall, too

And no
There wasnt any reason to change bathroom laws
Things were fucking fine before
You remember all those transgender related bathroom rapes that stopped when the laws were changed?
Yeah
ME NEITHER
BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY
Someone pitched a fucking bitch about some tranny in a bathroom
And right wing media caught hold of it and blew it out of proportion which is about as rare as the fucking sun coming up
And now everyones loosing their minds because PEOPLE are doing THINGS that COULD BE USED TO HARM US
This stupid fucking worst case scenario fearmongering is why no one in the UK can buy a fucking kitchen knife without being arrested for possesion of a fucking WMD
Fucks sake
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#192 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sorta mostly a FUCKING JOKE YOU TWINK. Of course it's not a stupid idea to have a security guard. I mean, honestly the way things are going we'll probably need them now.

But it's all a sick joke. The biggest problem is allowing men or women into the bathroom of their choice. The constant tearing down of social construct. Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts? Or do they literally have to be torn asunder before the world is happy?

Also, all caps are kind of overused. You should probably stop.

#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
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#174 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Right, so you're saying we should worry about something that has never happened? Beware laser sharks people, they'll kill you if you go outside. How do I know? Well it's never happened, but in my imagination it can happen, so obviously it does.

*your
'my ideology' is called rationality.
Lack of evidence is a reason not to believe a claim. I have as much evidence that unicorns exist as you have evidence for your claim: some people think so.
#178 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaaaand once again with the delusion. I've already given you reports on it happening, and you wailed that it needed to specifically be ones where the criminal got away with it, and THEN you wanted one of the criminal being convicted and THEN getting away with it. If I gave you evidence of laser sharks you'd ask for laser sharks with the Intel core i7 processors that fire at 60fps.

In fuckin fact:

www.wired.com/2012/05/wicked-lasers-shark/

There you go. A laser shark.

One simple fuckin Google search. And yet you want to sit around and bitch that if nothing happened before, it will never happen.

I'll keep you up to date on when they discover unicorns. Stay delusional.
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#179 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
You've given me reports of people being arrested... I want proof that they can get away with it. If they're getting arrested how is there a problem?

Ok, but are they attacking people?

>calls me delusional
>thinks rationality is "an ideology"
>thinks we should presume guilt

Society has fucking collapsed.
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#181 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because there's a goddamn REASON for them being arrested. They committed a CRIME. The whole idea is to PREVENT the crime so no one has to go to jail. How does this not register?

>"okay but are they attacking people"

Of fucking course you would say that. Gee, I dunno, if you went into a tank with a shark, what do you think would happen? Would you pet it and be best friends with it? Nah, they have to attack with the LASERS, yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Society has collapsed.
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#185 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So you mean to tell me that they couldn't just walk into the bathroom and do whatever they wanted with no consequence? But I thought letting transpeople into bathrooms would instantly allow that to happen?!

Depends what species of shark, the vast majority are afraid of humans.
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#187 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via bathroom signs will allow them to do whatever they want to? You're seriously missing the point--ah, wait, that's not a surprise. You're basically telling me it happens all the time, right? Yeah rapists just go willy nilly into any bathroom they want to rape, as long as it's a bathroom they're good, doesn't matter which one. Its not like the idea of a man being in a woman's bathroom will set off any alarms, nooo.

Or wait, that's right, we should just assume that every man in a woman's bathroom is transgender. Yeah, they make up fifty percent of the planets population, right? Right???
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#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
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#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
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#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
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#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
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#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
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#172 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
I don't even know why I'm bothering, once someone says "we should presume guilt" there's literally no point to debating them, clearly rational thought is beyond them.
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#180 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
And by chance, what do you think is presumptuous about a man in a woman's bathroom? He's guilty of being in a woman's bathroom as a man, is he not? What other measure do you take against potentially dangerous human beings that can lie other than presuming? This entire goddamn post in the original OP was about presuming someone was transgender for christsake. You think it's just better to assume the best than assume the worst? It's safer to assume the best rather than the worst? You can assume a crime before it happens, it's not morally incorrect to do that. And if you're wrong, whose hurt? The feelings of another person at worst. How villainous. In the meantime, they're going to continue to take the shit they initially went into the bathroom to take.
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#184 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yes, he's "guilty" of that, though it's not a crime.

How about laws? How about we fucking lock people up when people break them, not before.

Yes, because in this universe we don't automatically assume someone's a criminal because they could be. BECAUSE ANYONE COULD BE.

Seriously, there's nothing for me to say, you defeated yourself.
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#190 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Prevention. Crime prevention. That's what this is about. What do you not get. This is utterly mind blowing. Why. Do you want crimes to happen?? Do you seriously just want to sit back and watch something happen and then go, "up, been watchin you for the last two hours, knew you were gonna do something, and ya did it. Let's send you to jail now, buddy."

How about let's NOT lock anyone in jail. How about let's prevent there being victims. How about that.

You keep setting yourself up on a pedestal just to fall right back the fuck off. Chill your tumblrite hormones for half a sec.
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#191 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So we're preventing a crime which has never happened, that hasn't happened yet, by arresting innocent people. 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Good, misrepresent my argument, that'll show me!
I have the radical idea that we only arrest people after they commit a crime. But you, you're far to smart for that: we have to arrest people before they commit a crime, if possible before they even leave the house. In fact, since all these crimes seem to be committed by men we should lock all the men up. From birth as well, to make sure they don't commit any crimes. Congrats, you're a feminist.
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#199 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Congrats, you're a retard.


Since when did crime prevention mean arresting anyone, dipshit? It's a concept as old as time, it's called THE LAW.

Can you imagine that for a second? A world where people followed laws? A world where people weren't trying to tear this social construct down, or any other social constructs that didn't make things illegal, but provided some form of common sense type guidelines for people to follow that further helped prevent crimes by setting certain standards, like, hmm, I dunno, bathroom signs?

You're trying way too hard to not sound like a keyboard warrior.
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
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#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
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#171 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
No, you don't have any actual evidence for your claim so all that's left is to say I won't accept anything. The reason there's nothing out there is because it hasn't happened.

I get it, you have an ideology, and I understand that you need to keep going with it even when it's clearly fucking false. But come on, at least admit you have no evidence and do something else.

My 'argument' is me asking for a citation on the claim "allowing transpeople into bathrooms will allow perverts to take advantage"
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#173 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Nnnnnnooo, your argument is that it doesn't exist because it's never happened before. Don't play coy with me, you. The laws are new and currently actively being rallied against, of course nothing internationally newsworthy is going to happen just yet. You're own entire ideology is "until it happens, I don't believe it." Lack of evidence isn't evidence against or for. Doesn't work with religion, won't work here.
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#174 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Right, so you're saying we should worry about something that has never happened? Beware laser sharks people, they'll kill you if you go outside. How do I know? Well it's never happened, but in my imagination it can happen, so obviously it does.

*your
'my ideology' is called rationality.
Lack of evidence is a reason not to believe a claim. I have as much evidence that unicorns exist as you have evidence for your claim: some people think so.
#178 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaaaand once again with the delusion. I've already given you reports on it happening, and you wailed that it needed to specifically be ones where the criminal got away with it, and THEN you wanted one of the criminal being convicted and THEN getting away with it. If I gave you evidence of laser sharks you'd ask for laser sharks with the Intel core i7 processors that fire at 60fps.

In fuckin fact:

www.wired.com/2012/05/wicked-lasers-shark/

There you go. A laser shark.

One simple fuckin Google search. And yet you want to sit around and bitch that if nothing happened before, it will never happen.

I'll keep you up to date on when they discover unicorns. Stay delusional.
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#179 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
You've given me reports of people being arrested... I want proof that they can get away with it. If they're getting arrested how is there a problem?

Ok, but are they attacking people?

>calls me delusional
>thinks rationality is "an ideology"
>thinks we should presume guilt

Society has fucking collapsed.
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#181 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because there's a goddamn REASON for them being arrested. They committed a CRIME. The whole idea is to PREVENT the crime so no one has to go to jail. How does this not register?

>"okay but are they attacking people"

Of fucking course you would say that. Gee, I dunno, if you went into a tank with a shark, what do you think would happen? Would you pet it and be best friends with it? Nah, they have to attack with the LASERS, yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Society has collapsed.
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#185 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So you mean to tell me that they couldn't just walk into the bathroom and do whatever they wanted with no consequence? But I thought letting transpeople into bathrooms would instantly allow that to happen?!

Depends what species of shark, the vast majority are afraid of humans.
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#187 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via bathroom signs will allow them to do whatever they want to? You're seriously missing the point--ah, wait, that's not a surprise. You're basically telling me it happens all the time, right? Yeah rapists just go willy nilly into any bathroom they want to rape, as long as it's a bathroom they're good, doesn't matter which one. Its not like the idea of a man being in a woman's bathroom will set off any alarms, nooo.

Or wait, that's right, we should just assume that every man in a woman's bathroom is transgender. Yeah, they make up fifty percent of the planets population, right? Right???
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#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
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#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
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#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
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#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
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#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
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#167 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Fallacy of association; saying I'm from tumblr doesn't actually do anything but make you look like an idiot.

Why are you so intent on making all men suspected rapists? Are you a feminist?
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#170 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because that's my presumption of guilt for you. Reasonable suspicion lines up with your behavior and now, ho, looks like you're projecting too. I though gays and lesbians could also be potential rapists? Why am I all of a sudden targeting men? Rapists are rapists, no matter their gender, sex, or identity of whatever.
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#172 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
I don't even know why I'm bothering, once someone says "we should presume guilt" there's literally no point to debating them, clearly rational thought is beyond them.
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#180 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
And by chance, what do you think is presumptuous about a man in a woman's bathroom? He's guilty of being in a woman's bathroom as a man, is he not? What other measure do you take against potentially dangerous human beings that can lie other than presuming? This entire goddamn post in the original OP was about presuming someone was transgender for christsake. You think it's just better to assume the best than assume the worst? It's safer to assume the best rather than the worst? You can assume a crime before it happens, it's not morally incorrect to do that. And if you're wrong, whose hurt? The feelings of another person at worst. How villainous. In the meantime, they're going to continue to take the shit they initially went into the bathroom to take.
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#184 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yes, he's "guilty" of that, though it's not a crime.

How about laws? How about we fucking lock people up when people break them, not before.

Yes, because in this universe we don't automatically assume someone's a criminal because they could be. BECAUSE ANYONE COULD BE.

Seriously, there's nothing for me to say, you defeated yourself.
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#190 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Prevention. Crime prevention. That's what this is about. What do you not get. This is utterly mind blowing. Why. Do you want crimes to happen?? Do you seriously just want to sit back and watch something happen and then go, "up, been watchin you for the last two hours, knew you were gonna do something, and ya did it. Let's send you to jail now, buddy."

How about let's NOT lock anyone in jail. How about let's prevent there being victims. How about that.

You keep setting yourself up on a pedestal just to fall right back the fuck off. Chill your tumblrite hormones for half a sec.
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#191 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So we're preventing a crime which has never happened, that hasn't happened yet, by arresting innocent people. 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Good, misrepresent my argument, that'll show me!
I have the radical idea that we only arrest people after they commit a crime. But you, you're far to smart for that: we have to arrest people before they commit a crime, if possible before they even leave the house. In fact, since all these crimes seem to be committed by men we should lock all the men up. From birth as well, to make sure they don't commit any crimes. Congrats, you're a feminist.
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#199 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Congrats, you're a retard.


Since when did crime prevention mean arresting anyone, dipshit? It's a concept as old as time, it's called THE LAW.

Can you imagine that for a second? A world where people followed laws? A world where people weren't trying to tear this social construct down, or any other social constructs that didn't make things illegal, but provided some form of common sense type guidelines for people to follow that further helped prevent crimes by setting certain standards, like, hmm, I dunno, bathroom signs?

You're trying way too hard to not sound like a keyboard warrior.
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
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#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
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#169 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
So guys with vaginas can go in womens bathrooms but women with dicks cant go in the mens bathroom?
Because only men can rape, right?

Let me say it again:
>Woman with a penis
>Goes in womans bathroom
>There are only stalls
>Nothing happens

>Man with a vagina
>Goes in mens bathroom
>Has a vagina, has to sit down to pee
>Nothing happens

Child molesters and rapists already go in bathrooms
They have for fucking ever
And making laws to stop them wont help
in case you have forgotten
raping people is already illegal

And dont fucking say ITTL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM
How come whenever that argument is made in favor of banning guns, an object that isnt all that necessary to life, its fucking stupid
but when the same argument is made in favor of stopping people from using the bathroom
THE BATHROOM
THAT THEY ALREADY FUCKING USE
its fine?

The whole argument is that itll be for child molesters and perverts to get into the other bathroom but it wont
With todays hairstyles and beauty standards
ANYONE can throw on a dress and some lipstick
maybe a decent foundation
and walk into the opposite genders bathroom

Anyone who will sacrifice a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither, and will loose both.
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#177 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Works the other way around too, hotshot. Security compromised for Liberty doesn't balance the scales any more evenly. In fact, the security of a bathroom IS Liberty for most people.

Except I wasn't arguing for people who are already transgendered to not use the bathroom since--hey, guess what?? They've already been using the bathroom of their choice for years now! Just like pedophiles and rapists, huh. Oh hey! The OP already said that!

So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit? In case you don't quite make the connection to this, principles, like about how men and women have different dorms, different locker rooms, different bathrooms--keep a lot of things in check because it sticks in people's minds. Potential danger is publically lessened in people's minds. The mind of a dangerous person is hindered by laws. You want to act like every dangerous person on the planet is just so buck crazy that nothing will stop them? Be my guest. But when you're in a Target bathroom and someone else of the opposite gender follows you in with a creepy look, don't forget that you can't tell them to stop because they're just allowed to be there.
#183 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit?"
No it doesnt
Because that is going to be the case no matter what
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a fucking gay rapist who wants my sweet twink asshole for themselves
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a cult of Lovecraftian madmen whos current objective is to cut my head off and sacrifice me to lord Pthmlthurp
Its how life is
Life is unsure and dangerous as all fuck
Get used to it
"Mama always said life is like a box of sweet twink assholes, you never know what youre gonna get until you bite into it"

If someone follows me into the bathroom with a creepy look, does it really matter what gender they are?

Okay lets say say that things go cray-cray and you can only go into the bathroom of your birth gender
Not only would that mean that you would still have people with penises going into the womens room because there are people who have had female-to-male surgeries
But it wont matter a bit whats illegal

Someone of a different gender follows you into a bathroom with a creepy look?
Well if you say "You cant be in here" and they leave then they probably werent going to fucking do anything in the first place
If they come into the bathroom with the intent to rape you then you are getting raped
Saying "YOU CANT DO THIS THIS IS ILLEGAL" wont change shit

You know what actually would stop rapes in bathrooms?
Security guards
Have a little stall just for a security guard, who just sits there all day
That way if someone starts getting raped he can step out and stop them
And trans people can use the bathrooms all they want
If people really cared about stopping bathroom rape they would be vying for security
But its not about bathroom rape
Its about "I dont want your kind with my kind"
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#186 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, uh huh, until the security guard then decides he wants your sweet twink asshole for himself.

I think the downfall of Target is speaking for itself. It's a principal set in people's minds. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the age old role of gender separation doesn't actually hinder the minds of potential criminals. If that's the case, what's the goddamn point of taking them down? Why is that so important? Because people want to actively fight "I don't want your kind with my kind?" The concept of gender seperation is WAY older than this recent spiel of "equality." It was made into this as another target of new wave bullshit attempting to tear down the world and reconstruct it in their image. Look at the social disrupt it's causing. If the bathroom laws didn't mean or do anything in the first place, there was no reason to change them other than to upset the world. Everyone had their equality. Even rapists, according to the arguments of modern day feminist and those in this thread. Now is a problem. Now it's making news. Why? Because people choose goddamn bathroom signs as identification.
#189 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"We shouldnt have security guards in bathrooms because they might rape someone"
"We shouldnt have police officers in malls because they might steal things"
"We shouldnt have army men on the battlefield because they might kill their allies"
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes
That COULD happen
But humans COULD develop a new way to get rid of fecal matter in the next week, and bathrooms could become a thing of the past
Or a meteor COULD hit the earth and destroy everything
Just because things CAN happen doesnt mean we should assume that they will

Like if you eat food chances are that at some point in your life you will get a foodborne ilness
That doesnt mean you should STOP FUCKING EATING
DUMBASS
God damn
Its like talking to a wall
And a dumb wall, too

And no
There wasnt any reason to change bathroom laws
Things were fucking fine before
You remember all those transgender related bathroom rapes that stopped when the laws were changed?
Yeah
ME NEITHER
BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY
Someone pitched a fucking bitch about some tranny in a bathroom
And right wing media caught hold of it and blew it out of proportion which is about as rare as the fucking sun coming up
And now everyones loosing their minds because PEOPLE are doing THINGS that COULD BE USED TO HARM US
This stupid fucking worst case scenario fearmongering is why no one in the UK can buy a fucking kitchen knife without being arrested for possesion of a fucking WMD
Fucks sake
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#192 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sorta mostly a FUCKING JOKE YOU TWINK. Of course it's not a stupid idea to have a security guard. I mean, honestly the way things are going we'll probably need them now.

But it's all a sick joke. The biggest problem is allowing men or women into the bathroom of their choice. The constant tearing down of social construct. Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts? Or do they literally have to be torn asunder before the world is happy?

Also, all caps are kind of overused. You should probably stop.

#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
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#165 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
No... show me a time where the person wasn't charged. Show me someone using the defense "your honour my client is transgender".

You know how I can tell an article is bullshit? It uses the phrase "women and children". This is an emotional lever, and it immediately shows that the author has a weak argument. After all, if your evidence is solid why would you need to appeal to emotion?

I've skimmed the examples your source gives, and in EVERY SINGLE ONE the perp was arrested. Weird how they didn't use your 'get out of jail free card': "I'm transgender" to escape punishment...

Please stop, you're only making it worse.
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#168 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yknow, I might not be seeing this "emotional lever" since I'm not quite so emotional about it as you seem to be. But if you're quite this adamant on getting OJ Simpson level trial reports to argue against, you need to give up. I told you there's nothing out there, legit or not, that you're gonna bother believing, and you seem stuck on the idea that just because people can be convict for it after the fact that it automatically makes perpetuating the idea of its possibility safe. I gave you what I bothered giving enough of a fuck about to prove that it's not non-existant, that's all I was going for. If your entire argument is "prove my delusions wrong," then you're SOL buddy.
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#171 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
No, you don't have any actual evidence for your claim so all that's left is to say I won't accept anything. The reason there's nothing out there is because it hasn't happened.

I get it, you have an ideology, and I understand that you need to keep going with it even when it's clearly fucking false. But come on, at least admit you have no evidence and do something else.

My 'argument' is me asking for a citation on the claim "allowing transpeople into bathrooms will allow perverts to take advantage"
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#173 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Nnnnnnooo, your argument is that it doesn't exist because it's never happened before. Don't play coy with me, you. The laws are new and currently actively being rallied against, of course nothing internationally newsworthy is going to happen just yet. You're own entire ideology is "until it happens, I don't believe it." Lack of evidence isn't evidence against or for. Doesn't work with religion, won't work here.
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#174 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Right, so you're saying we should worry about something that has never happened? Beware laser sharks people, they'll kill you if you go outside. How do I know? Well it's never happened, but in my imagination it can happen, so obviously it does.

*your
'my ideology' is called rationality.
Lack of evidence is a reason not to believe a claim. I have as much evidence that unicorns exist as you have evidence for your claim: some people think so.
#178 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaaaand once again with the delusion. I've already given you reports on it happening, and you wailed that it needed to specifically be ones where the criminal got away with it, and THEN you wanted one of the criminal being convicted and THEN getting away with it. If I gave you evidence of laser sharks you'd ask for laser sharks with the Intel core i7 processors that fire at 60fps.

In fuckin fact:

www.wired.com/2012/05/wicked-lasers-shark/

There you go. A laser shark.

One simple fuckin Google search. And yet you want to sit around and bitch that if nothing happened before, it will never happen.

I'll keep you up to date on when they discover unicorns. Stay delusional.
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#179 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
You've given me reports of people being arrested... I want proof that they can get away with it. If they're getting arrested how is there a problem?

Ok, but are they attacking people?

>calls me delusional
>thinks rationality is "an ideology"
>thinks we should presume guilt

Society has fucking collapsed.
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#181 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because there's a goddamn REASON for them being arrested. They committed a CRIME. The whole idea is to PREVENT the crime so no one has to go to jail. How does this not register?

>"okay but are they attacking people"

Of fucking course you would say that. Gee, I dunno, if you went into a tank with a shark, what do you think would happen? Would you pet it and be best friends with it? Nah, they have to attack with the LASERS, yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Society has collapsed.
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#185 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So you mean to tell me that they couldn't just walk into the bathroom and do whatever they wanted with no consequence? But I thought letting transpeople into bathrooms would instantly allow that to happen?!

Depends what species of shark, the vast majority are afraid of humans.
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#187 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Oh is that your argument now? That transpeople acceptance via bathroom signs will allow them to do whatever they want to? You're seriously missing the point--ah, wait, that's not a surprise. You're basically telling me it happens all the time, right? Yeah rapists just go willy nilly into any bathroom they want to rape, as long as it's a bathroom they're good, doesn't matter which one. Its not like the idea of a man being in a woman's bathroom will set off any alarms, nooo.

Or wait, that's right, we should just assume that every man in a woman's bathroom is transgender. Yeah, they make up fifty percent of the planets population, right? Right???
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#188 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
If they're planning on raping someone I don't think a bathroom sign is going to deter them somehow.

Let me ask you something, why don't men go into women's bathrooms now? It's not illegal. It has never been illegal. So why don't they? The answer is that they want to shit in the mens' room. Now, this transman also wants to shit in the men's room. In fact they even have a penis. But because they were born a woman they HAVE to use the women's bathroom, otherwise they could be mistaken for a pervert...
Seriously, I cannot understand your perspective.

Is perving still illegal? Yes.
Can you use transgenderism to escape arrest? No.
Can you use it to escape sentence? No.
Does it increase criminal activity? No.
Does it do anything except let people shit? No.
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#194 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, well, see, that's the difference between you and common sense. Because it kinda sorta does. It's the differences between a woman being aware of a man and having her pepper spray at the ready and her just shrugging it off and turning her back to him because it's now considered "normal."

See, if social construct is important enough to make some kinda difference for transgenders, it's also important enough to cause damage when its previous idea is torn asunder. Protection is largely on the idea of principle and the fact that it helps people become more aware.
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#195 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>wants to treat all men as rapists
>berates me for not agreeing
>thinks it's common sense that men only want to rape women
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#201 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, it looks like you've run out of argument here. I think I'm done.
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#202 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>"we should assume guilt"
>"you've run out of argument"

You are actually a retard aren't you?
#207 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Crafty.

But your effort is in vain.
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#206 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
>>#204
No you won't, and you literally lost this entire argument. Just take whatever is left of your dignity and your tattered anus and go.
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#204 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Now it's a battle for the last word.


I shall win.
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#157 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
No
it isnt dumbass
This thing has a vagina
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#163 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Certainly sounds like you're against that man/woman going into the same bathroom as your daughter. Except I was making it a point not to let guys with dicks do that.

Keep using those trigger words.
#169 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
So guys with vaginas can go in womens bathrooms but women with dicks cant go in the mens bathroom?
Because only men can rape, right?

Let me say it again:
>Woman with a penis
>Goes in womans bathroom
>There are only stalls
>Nothing happens

>Man with a vagina
>Goes in mens bathroom
>Has a vagina, has to sit down to pee
>Nothing happens

Child molesters and rapists already go in bathrooms
They have for fucking ever
And making laws to stop them wont help
in case you have forgotten
raping people is already illegal

And dont fucking say ITTL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM
How come whenever that argument is made in favor of banning guns, an object that isnt all that necessary to life, its fucking stupid
but when the same argument is made in favor of stopping people from using the bathroom
THE BATHROOM
THAT THEY ALREADY FUCKING USE
its fine?

The whole argument is that itll be for child molesters and perverts to get into the other bathroom but it wont
With todays hairstyles and beauty standards
ANYONE can throw on a dress and some lipstick
maybe a decent foundation
and walk into the opposite genders bathroom

Anyone who will sacrifice a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither, and will loose both.
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#177 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Works the other way around too, hotshot. Security compromised for Liberty doesn't balance the scales any more evenly. In fact, the security of a bathroom IS Liberty for most people.

Except I wasn't arguing for people who are already transgendered to not use the bathroom since--hey, guess what?? They've already been using the bathroom of their choice for years now! Just like pedophiles and rapists, huh. Oh hey! The OP already said that!

So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit? In case you don't quite make the connection to this, principles, like about how men and women have different dorms, different locker rooms, different bathrooms--keep a lot of things in check because it sticks in people's minds. Potential danger is publically lessened in people's minds. The mind of a dangerous person is hindered by laws. You want to act like every dangerous person on the planet is just so buck crazy that nothing will stop them? Be my guest. But when you're in a Target bathroom and someone else of the opposite gender follows you in with a creepy look, don't forget that you can't tell them to stop because they're just allowed to be there.
#183 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit?"
No it doesnt
Because that is going to be the case no matter what
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a fucking gay rapist who wants my sweet twink asshole for themselves
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a cult of Lovecraftian madmen whos current objective is to cut my head off and sacrifice me to lord Pthmlthurp
Its how life is
Life is unsure and dangerous as all fuck
Get used to it
"Mama always said life is like a box of sweet twink assholes, you never know what youre gonna get until you bite into it"

If someone follows me into the bathroom with a creepy look, does it really matter what gender they are?

Okay lets say say that things go cray-cray and you can only go into the bathroom of your birth gender
Not only would that mean that you would still have people with penises going into the womens room because there are people who have had female-to-male surgeries
But it wont matter a bit whats illegal

Someone of a different gender follows you into a bathroom with a creepy look?
Well if you say "You cant be in here" and they leave then they probably werent going to fucking do anything in the first place
If they come into the bathroom with the intent to rape you then you are getting raped
Saying "YOU CANT DO THIS THIS IS ILLEGAL" wont change shit

You know what actually would stop rapes in bathrooms?
Security guards
Have a little stall just for a security guard, who just sits there all day
That way if someone starts getting raped he can step out and stop them
And trans people can use the bathrooms all they want
If people really cared about stopping bathroom rape they would be vying for security
But its not about bathroom rape
Its about "I dont want your kind with my kind"
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#186 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, uh huh, until the security guard then decides he wants your sweet twink asshole for himself.

I think the downfall of Target is speaking for itself. It's a principal set in people's minds. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the age old role of gender separation doesn't actually hinder the minds of potential criminals. If that's the case, what's the goddamn point of taking them down? Why is that so important? Because people want to actively fight "I don't want your kind with my kind?" The concept of gender seperation is WAY older than this recent spiel of "equality." It was made into this as another target of new wave bullshit attempting to tear down the world and reconstruct it in their image. Look at the social disrupt it's causing. If the bathroom laws didn't mean or do anything in the first place, there was no reason to change them other than to upset the world. Everyone had their equality. Even rapists, according to the arguments of modern day feminist and those in this thread. Now is a problem. Now it's making news. Why? Because people choose goddamn bathroom signs as identification.
#189 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"We shouldnt have security guards in bathrooms because they might rape someone"
"We shouldnt have police officers in malls because they might steal things"
"We shouldnt have army men on the battlefield because they might kill their allies"
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes
That COULD happen
But humans COULD develop a new way to get rid of fecal matter in the next week, and bathrooms could become a thing of the past
Or a meteor COULD hit the earth and destroy everything
Just because things CAN happen doesnt mean we should assume that they will

Like if you eat food chances are that at some point in your life you will get a foodborne ilness
That doesnt mean you should STOP FUCKING EATING
DUMBASS
God damn
Its like talking to a wall
And a dumb wall, too

And no
There wasnt any reason to change bathroom laws
Things were fucking fine before
You remember all those transgender related bathroom rapes that stopped when the laws were changed?
Yeah
ME NEITHER
BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY
Someone pitched a fucking bitch about some tranny in a bathroom
And right wing media caught hold of it and blew it out of proportion which is about as rare as the fucking sun coming up
And now everyones loosing their minds because PEOPLE are doing THINGS that COULD BE USED TO HARM US
This stupid fucking worst case scenario fearmongering is why no one in the UK can buy a fucking kitchen knife without being arrested for possesion of a fucking WMD
Fucks sake
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#192 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sorta mostly a FUCKING JOKE YOU TWINK. Of course it's not a stupid idea to have a security guard. I mean, honestly the way things are going we'll probably need them now.

But it's all a sick joke. The biggest problem is allowing men or women into the bathroom of their choice. The constant tearing down of social construct. Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts? Or do they literally have to be torn asunder before the world is happy?

Also, all caps are kind of overused. You should probably stop.

#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
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#156 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yes it fucking is you lunatic, I physically cannot believe that any sane person would think that's a sensible thing to say.

But fine, let's presume guilt. You're a fucking rapist. Obviously we need to presume you're guilty to protect people. Please turn yourself in to the authorities, after all you are a rapist. And a pedophile. And a serial killer. You need to be locked up, after all you're guilty.
See the problem? Try not being a retard in future.
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#166 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Cool, did I walk into the woman's bathroom? Cuz I'm a straight male. Where's the reason for suspicion? Am I being arrested, officer?

You really sound like you just came off tumblr.
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#167 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Fallacy of association; saying I'm from tumblr doesn't actually do anything but make you look like an idiot.

Why are you so intent on making all men suspected rapists? Are you a feminist?
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#170 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Because that's my presumption of guilt for you. Reasonable suspicion lines up with your behavior and now, ho, looks like you're projecting too. I though gays and lesbians could also be potential rapists? Why am I all of a sudden targeting men? Rapists are rapists, no matter their gender, sex, or identity of whatever.
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#172 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
I don't even know why I'm bothering, once someone says "we should presume guilt" there's literally no point to debating them, clearly rational thought is beyond them.
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#180 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
And by chance, what do you think is presumptuous about a man in a woman's bathroom? He's guilty of being in a woman's bathroom as a man, is he not? What other measure do you take against potentially dangerous human beings that can lie other than presuming? This entire goddamn post in the original OP was about presuming someone was transgender for christsake. You think it's just better to assume the best than assume the worst? It's safer to assume the best rather than the worst? You can assume a crime before it happens, it's not morally incorrect to do that. And if you're wrong, whose hurt? The feelings of another person at worst. How villainous. In the meantime, they're going to continue to take the shit they initially went into the bathroom to take.
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#184 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yes, he's "guilty" of that, though it's not a crime.

How about laws? How about we fucking lock people up when people break them, not before.

Yes, because in this universe we don't automatically assume someone's a criminal because they could be. BECAUSE ANYONE COULD BE.

Seriously, there's nothing for me to say, you defeated yourself.
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#190 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Prevention. Crime prevention. That's what this is about. What do you not get. This is utterly mind blowing. Why. Do you want crimes to happen?? Do you seriously just want to sit back and watch something happen and then go, "up, been watchin you for the last two hours, knew you were gonna do something, and ya did it. Let's send you to jail now, buddy."

How about let's NOT lock anyone in jail. How about let's prevent there being victims. How about that.

You keep setting yourself up on a pedestal just to fall right back the fuck off. Chill your tumblrite hormones for half a sec.
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#191 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
So we're preventing a crime which has never happened, that hasn't happened yet, by arresting innocent people. 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Good, misrepresent my argument, that'll show me!
I have the radical idea that we only arrest people after they commit a crime. But you, you're far to smart for that: we have to arrest people before they commit a crime, if possible before they even leave the house. In fact, since all these crimes seem to be committed by men we should lock all the men up. From birth as well, to make sure they don't commit any crimes. Congrats, you're a feminist.
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#199 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Congrats, you're a retard.


Since when did crime prevention mean arresting anyone, dipshit? It's a concept as old as time, it's called THE LAW.

Can you imagine that for a second? A world where people followed laws? A world where people weren't trying to tear this social construct down, or any other social constructs that didn't make things illegal, but provided some form of common sense type guidelines for people to follow that further helped prevent crimes by setting certain standards, like, hmm, I dunno, bathroom signs?

You're trying way too hard to not sound like a keyboard warrior.
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#200 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
But you admitted the crime has never happened... so why do we need to prevent it?

No actually, I'm sounding like a rational adult and you're sounding... well a little bit like a mental patient actually, but mostly like the person you're claiming I am. You want to end due process, you want to install a system of crime by association. Why? Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
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#203 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You're kidding, right? Why should the crime be prevented before it happens? Because, ya know, that's how you prevent crimes?

And for the thousandth time, do you want me to send you another article on the list of crimes that HAVE happened? I've got like three more, I'm just running down the front page of Google.
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#205 - platinumaltaria (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, and we need 24 hour surveillance of preschools to make sure that no genocide is happening there as well, right? It's never happened, but it's a crime so...

No, I want you to show that this change would make these criminal acts into legal acts, because otherwise they aren't doing anything.
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#208 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Aaa mmmmmm yyeaaaaahh, see. Convincing you of anything really isn't worth my time. Sorry fam.
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#151 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Wow
Real mature
"Are you wrong? Yes"

But whatever man
If you want this guy going in the same bathroom as your daughter, whatever
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#155 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
You sound like you have a clear cut concept of maturity.
In case you didn't notice, that's what I was arguing.
#157 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
No
it isnt dumbass
This thing has a vagina
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#163 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Certainly sounds like you're against that man/woman going into the same bathroom as your daughter. Except I was making it a point not to let guys with dicks do that.

Keep using those trigger words.
#169 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
So guys with vaginas can go in womens bathrooms but women with dicks cant go in the mens bathroom?
Because only men can rape, right?

Let me say it again:
>Woman with a penis
>Goes in womans bathroom
>There are only stalls
>Nothing happens

>Man with a vagina
>Goes in mens bathroom
>Has a vagina, has to sit down to pee
>Nothing happens

Child molesters and rapists already go in bathrooms
They have for fucking ever
And making laws to stop them wont help
in case you have forgotten
raping people is already illegal

And dont fucking say ITTL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM
How come whenever that argument is made in favor of banning guns, an object that isnt all that necessary to life, its fucking stupid
but when the same argument is made in favor of stopping people from using the bathroom
THE BATHROOM
THAT THEY ALREADY FUCKING USE
its fine?

The whole argument is that itll be for child molesters and perverts to get into the other bathroom but it wont
With todays hairstyles and beauty standards
ANYONE can throw on a dress and some lipstick
maybe a decent foundation
and walk into the opposite genders bathroom

Anyone who will sacrifice a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither, and will loose both.
User avatar
#177 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Works the other way around too, hotshot. Security compromised for Liberty doesn't balance the scales any more evenly. In fact, the security of a bathroom IS Liberty for most people.

Except I wasn't arguing for people who are already transgendered to not use the bathroom since--hey, guess what?? They've already been using the bathroom of their choice for years now! Just like pedophiles and rapists, huh. Oh hey! The OP already said that!

So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit? In case you don't quite make the connection to this, principles, like about how men and women have different dorms, different locker rooms, different bathrooms--keep a lot of things in check because it sticks in people's minds. Potential danger is publically lessened in people's minds. The mind of a dangerous person is hindered by laws. You want to act like every dangerous person on the planet is just so buck crazy that nothing will stop them? Be my guest. But when you're in a Target bathroom and someone else of the opposite gender follows you in with a creepy look, don't forget that you can't tell them to stop because they're just allowed to be there.
#183 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"So the entire idea that you can be comfortable around just about anybody in the bathroom and now know who they are or what their intention is doesn't disgruntle you one bit?"
No it doesnt
Because that is going to be the case no matter what
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a fucking gay rapist who wants my sweet twink asshole for themselves
Everyone else in the bathroom could be a cult of Lovecraftian madmen whos current objective is to cut my head off and sacrifice me to lord Pthmlthurp
Its how life is
Life is unsure and dangerous as all fuck
Get used to it
"Mama always said life is like a box of sweet twink assholes, you never know what youre gonna get until you bite into it"

If someone follows me into the bathroom with a creepy look, does it really matter what gender they are?

Okay lets say say that things go cray-cray and you can only go into the bathroom of your birth gender
Not only would that mean that you would still have people with penises going into the womens room because there are people who have had female-to-male surgeries
But it wont matter a bit whats illegal

Someone of a different gender follows you into a bathroom with a creepy look?
Well if you say "You cant be in here" and they leave then they probably werent going to fucking do anything in the first place
If they come into the bathroom with the intent to rape you then you are getting raped
Saying "YOU CANT DO THIS THIS IS ILLEGAL" wont change shit

You know what actually would stop rapes in bathrooms?
Security guards
Have a little stall just for a security guard, who just sits there all day
That way if someone starts getting raped he can step out and stop them
And trans people can use the bathrooms all they want
If people really cared about stopping bathroom rape they would be vying for security
But its not about bathroom rape
Its about "I dont want your kind with my kind"
User avatar
#186 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, uh huh, until the security guard then decides he wants your sweet twink asshole for himself.

I think the downfall of Target is speaking for itself. It's a principal set in people's minds. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the age old role of gender separation doesn't actually hinder the minds of potential criminals. If that's the case, what's the goddamn point of taking them down? Why is that so important? Because people want to actively fight "I don't want your kind with my kind?" The concept of gender seperation is WAY older than this recent spiel of "equality." It was made into this as another target of new wave bullshit attempting to tear down the world and reconstruct it in their image. Look at the social disrupt it's causing. If the bathroom laws didn't mean or do anything in the first place, there was no reason to change them other than to upset the world. Everyone had their equality. Even rapists, according to the arguments of modern day feminist and those in this thread. Now is a problem. Now it's making news. Why? Because people choose goddamn bathroom signs as identification.
#189 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
"We shouldnt have security guards in bathrooms because they might rape someone"
"We shouldnt have police officers in malls because they might steal things"
"We shouldnt have army men on the battlefield because they might kill their allies"
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes
That COULD happen
But humans COULD develop a new way to get rid of fecal matter in the next week, and bathrooms could become a thing of the past
Or a meteor COULD hit the earth and destroy everything
Just because things CAN happen doesnt mean we should assume that they will

Like if you eat food chances are that at some point in your life you will get a foodborne ilness
That doesnt mean you should STOP FUCKING EATING
DUMBASS
God damn
Its like talking to a wall
And a dumb wall, too

And no
There wasnt any reason to change bathroom laws
Things were fucking fine before
You remember all those transgender related bathroom rapes that stopped when the laws were changed?
Yeah
ME NEITHER
BECAUSE THERE WERENT ANY
Someone pitched a fucking bitch about some tranny in a bathroom
And right wing media caught hold of it and blew it out of proportion which is about as rare as the fucking sun coming up
And now everyones loosing their minds because PEOPLE are doing THINGS that COULD BE USED TO HARM US
This stupid fucking worst case scenario fearmongering is why no one in the UK can buy a fucking kitchen knife without being arrested for possesion of a fucking WMD
Fucks sake
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#192 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
I dunno if I made it clear there, but I mean it was kinda sorta mostly a FUCKING JOKE YOU TWINK. Of course it's not a stupid idea to have a security guard. I mean, honestly the way things are going we'll probably need them now.

But it's all a sick joke. The biggest problem is allowing men or women into the bathroom of their choice. The constant tearing down of social construct. Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts? Or do they literally have to be torn asunder before the world is happy?

Also, all caps are kind of overused. You should probably stop.

#193 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
>Transgendered? Fine. Pick the bathroom you identify with. Not transgendered? Then go where you belong. Is it so hard to keep these concepts?

I just spent the last half hour arguing with someone who shares my opinion didn't I?
#196 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
... Youuu... may just have...

Although I think there are some subtle differences between our opinions, finding sudden common ground is pretty fuckin funny.
#197 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
Well shit
Friends?
#198 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
Well, I mean.


Okay yeah, what the hell.
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#19 - hotseat (05/18/2016) [-]
You are the coolest person I have ever whole-heartedly called a dumbass
#20 to #19 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
And you're the coolest guy whose ever described their ass as sweet and twinky, that I've gotten into a debate with.   
   
I mean, I know a few sweet twink asses but you're the coolest.
And you're the coolest guy whose ever described their ass as sweet and twinky, that I've gotten into a debate with.

I mean, I know a few sweet twink asses but you're the coolest.
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#23 to #18 - ninjaspartan (05/18/2016) [-]
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#10 to #9 - ninjaspartan (06/23/2012) [-]
... Hello there.
#11 to #10 - TheShadowHog (06/23/2012) [-]
so why are people thumbing you down mindlessly?
#12 to #11 - ninjaspartan (06/23/2012) [-]
<_<

... This is a trick question, isn't it?
#13 to #12 - TheShadowHog (06/23/2012) [-]
a bunch of people are thumbing you down on that one cosplay post
#14 to #13 - ninjaspartan (06/23/2012) [-]
Yes they are. And you've read it?
#15 to #14 - TheShadowHog (06/23/2012) [-]
yeah are they idiots or something?
#17 to #15 - ninjaspartan (06/23/2012) [-]
Lol, and yes, they are idiots. Or twelve year olds who just hit puberty. Or both. Probably both.
#16 to #15 - ninjaspartan (06/23/2012) [-]
Lol, I'm gonna say you were the anon that agreed with me. Yeah, there's no better way to troll than by playing devils advocate. People get agitated so easily. XD Not that that wasn't my exact opinion. TITS MAN. TITS.
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#7 to #6 - ninjaspartan (01/07/2012) [-]
aight, k, thx bro ^_^
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-.-

Damn. Url's gone the moment you posted. Try again?