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#32 - gender ROLES are a social construct, not gender identity.  [+] (23 replies) 03/18/2015 on Doublethink +301
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#303 - greyhoundfd (03/19/2015) [-]
Gender is social, sex is biological.

This is an argument against SJWs, not for. If gender is a social construct, then it means that not behaving within the necessary parameters of a gender role is entirely expected and ordinary. It makes concepts like transgender nonexistent, because they're pretty obvious for what they are: whiny normal teenagers.
#124 - anon (03/19/2015) [-]
Gender roles is the prodct of our different biology. For instance the reason men go into engineering is because we want to make 6 figures a year to impress the ladies and we generally find STEM fields more interesting than women do.
#94 - anon (03/18/2015) [-]
"gender roles are a social construct"

Right thats like saying the Male Silver back Gorilla who protect his group is only doing it because there "society" said it is his role. No you dumb fuck the males evolved to be larger and stronger to fend off other organisms that kill there offspring and the females developed maternal instincts to actually give a damn if the offspring makes it to sexual reproduction. Now there are individuals who do not follow the genetic but that does not mean it is socially constructed.

Gorillas were an example humans do have a much more complicated society and no longer "require" this type of "genders roles" which means it is not the only way to conduct ourselves and it most defiantly does not mean they came from some patriarchy who did it only to spite women.

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#108 - partnerintroll (03/19/2015) [-]
to be fair, the male gorilla will exhibit the behavior it does because of its social relationship to its kin. There's a need and want to protect those in its family and the sexual dimorphism between males and females lends to the male gorillas being protectors, though it is an evolved trait, its still a part of their social interactions and thus constructed socially, and i doubt that queer theorists necessarily ignore that fact. Sexual dimorphism is a thing, you're right, but now that everyone is living comfortably and that women are just as capable as men are at doing tasks in modern society, evolution has to make way for social justice shower me in red thumbs
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#33 - captainprincess (03/18/2015) [-]
gender IDENTITY is a personal construct
gender is a fact of biology
#98 - anon (03/18/2015) [-]
Gender is a social construct, sex is biological. If you don't see yourself as the gender that you're supposed to be by sex, you have a distorted sexuality.
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#111 - captainprincess (03/19/2015) [-]
But if it's a social construct then what gender you see yourself as being is irrelevant
You are the sex you are

unless Gender is something more concrete
Like say, a synonym for one's sex
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#35 - alfibrakiz (03/18/2015) [-]
Gender is a social construct.
Sex is a biological fact. Look it up.
Gender is your social roles based on your sex
Sex is what sort of genitals you have.
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#164 - lolgonewrong (03/19/2015) [-]
Whichever was widely used first is the correct term
because i'm too lazy to use the new one
#39 - kulamia (03/18/2015) [-]
That shit was hypothesized by a man who main a young boy who went on to develop MASSIVE psychological problems and kill himself.

Got to go to work and will provide source later but going off about how gender and sex are different is a backwards ass way of thinking, originating from a pre-SJW who's work caused someone's life due to his lack of moral thinking. Not a great starting point.

Inb4 something about homosexuality, gender identity issues, or sexism.
-Gay people are that- just gay. Homosexuality is not a gender identity issue
-People with legitimate gender identity issues have that shit documented by a licensed Psychiatrist who can help them on their personal road to happiness friend of my GF had legit issues since HS and has slowly undergone surgeries/hormone replacement to get to what he wants to be- a woman. Not everyone can afford this but people saying "im the wrong gender, call me a wo/man or you're disrespecting me! is a moron
-Sexism, is a belief in a difference or superiority of a sex/gender. Again, sex and gender are NOT different. Got to go to work, will be back later with sources on that scumbag.
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#336 - ryander (03/19/2015) [-]
I want that sauce bro
#359 - kulamia (03/19/2015) [-]

It's shitty, but as any good college student would say- just read the citations at the bottom.

Might have to search for 'John Money(kinda of surprised I didn't remember that shitbag's name) boy experiment' or something.
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#370 - ryander (03/20/2015) [-]
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#326 - lateday (03/19/2015) [-]
Regardless of the truthfulness of compatibility between your gender identity and your biological sex, they both signify and describe different phenomena. That is enough to say they are not the same thing. Gender is broadly understood to be the aggregate of stereotypes, traits, behaviors and roles ascribed to a sex. While gender may include sex, they coexist and they have a very strict and close relationship. It is quite a show of lack of understanding to say they are not different.

Also, you are talking about John Money and the John/Joan case. He killed himself from various stressful situations in life, including the death of his twin brother, financial troubles, crippling depression, parental issues and a divorce.
#314 - anon (03/19/2015) [-]
"That **** was hypothesized by a man who main a young boy who went on to develop MASSIVE psychological problems and kill himself. " This does literally nothing to demerit the proposition, unless you're an absolute git.

Additionally, there is no way to say gender and sex are not the same thing when what he has just defined is exactly that. You can possible argue that there is some sort of interaction between the two, but that is not what you're doing, even though you might personally find that implied.

I'm trying to not be a tosser and start flaming you for all these juvenile mistakes, but this is arguing 101. It's exactly these kinds of mistakes that cause people to actually think anything in gamergate is well argued for.
#106 - partnerintroll (03/19/2015) [-]

This doesn't change the need for a distinction between your sexually dimorphic traits and your place in a society as deemed by these traits in language. Academia has generally shifted to acknowledge the distinction when engaging deep queer theory deliberations and one asshole on the internet isn't going to change the way it is discussed IRL.

It avoids ambiguity, and allows for good discussion over the influence one's gender has in the social-cultural space. Don't be a salty asshole just to be contrary

Gif unrelated
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#41 - oneko (03/18/2015) [-]
My personal road to happiness is taking a long time :'(
#43 - kulamia (03/18/2015) [-]
Don't look so glum friend, I am nearly finished with my BA- after 4 years. I don't know if I will even use it later on. But it's how we treat others around us and strive for happiness that really makes us enjoy the goal.

It might be a while before you feel happy with who you are, but it will make you all the more happy with yourself in the long run.
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#100 - pizzapastasaurous (03/18/2015) [-]
You think your BA is shit. Mine is in philosophy and psychology!
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#45 - oneko (03/18/2015) [-]
Thanks ^^
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#37 - captainprincess (03/18/2015) [-]
no your gender-roles are your gender-roles
sex and gender have been nigh-interchangable outside of the medical professions for ages and I'll be damned if some gender-idealogues are going to claim the rights to define that because they don't feel right
#64 - phonicghost (03/18/2015) [-]
Gender being used to refer to people is a new concept, only in use since the 70's I believe . Before that gender was a grammatical term used to describe nouns.

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#237 - luckyspirit (03/11/2015) [-]
The latter I'm familiar with. I try to drink water primarily, but lately I've been getting back into soda since I'm working at McDonald's and all. I need to get out of there because it's really killing any hope I have of dieting, though. Sadly I live in a town that has very little to offer in terms of employment and I have no real way of getting into a city or something to find better opportunities. At least for a while.