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#164 - i said races are different, that doesnt mean one is superior, …  [+] (1 new reply) 6 hours ago on How liberals react to... +2
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#165 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Evidently they do not have the same opportunities otherwise the results would be the same; for instance black people are far more likely to be in a gang than their poverty-stricken counterparts from other races, which might explain why they choose stabbing each other over moving up in the world.

I never said you had to respect them?

You can't force freedom on people. I'm not a globalist. It's like you're hellbent on calling me what I'm not, no idea why that might be.

A democracy is the only system which can express the will of the people, so yes. And literally no one is anti-democracy, because everyone wants their voice heard.
The middle east can quite easily keep allah and have democracy, simply instate sharia law democratically...
By eradicating religion, it's worn a bit thin now.
Please can you write one illegible paragraph without misrepresentation, it's boring to refute everything you say.

Not really, if we don't trade with them then their resources don't exist from our perspective. Oil isn't nearly as important as people seem to think, particularly when it's been supplanted in every conceivable way.

No it really isn't. "Did you know that your ideology says X" oddly enough no, because it doesn't.
Communism and socialism have nothing to do with liberalism... You know that telling me what I think doesn't work, right? Now, maybe in your delusion you've mistaken me for someone completely different, but sadly I have no interest in arguing to defend views I don't hold.
#161 - no i clearly said that black CULTURE is the main problem, alth…  [+] (3 new replies) 6 hours ago on How liberals react to... +2
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#163 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Then why bring them up, eh? To lord your racial superiority, or merely as a passing remark?

>black culture is black
In other news, water is wet.
Whilst we're painting everyone with a broad brush, why aren't you complaining about the japanese culture of committing ritual suicide, or the central arabian culture of constructing large fortified cities.

It is objectively the case that poor people have fewer opportunities thrown their way than rich poeple. Nothing racial here.
"Muh quotas" I don't agree with them either, but they clearly aren't having an effect.

It's not an either or situation, you can drop one thing and keep another. In fact it's enshrined in your constitution that you have to allow others to practice their culture, so aside from tearing down democracy and instating your new world order what do you plan to do about it?

And how many westerners move to the middle east? I think it's fewer.

The whole world doesn't have running fucking water, an issue I consider far more pressing than muh vagina. There's no point getting women the vote if they're going to die of thirst all the same. muh appeal to bigger issues can slurp on this dick. Women in the middle east can fight for their own rights, I have no desire to force my ideology on them. I will, however, facilitate the creation of democracies via an international effort to combat dictators around the world, including the ones selling us oil.

Don't care what they sell, I'm pretty sure life's going to suck when every industrialised nation in the world gives two shits about you starving. They can keep their oil, and we'll keep the money that runs their shitty governments.
Because the west is currently run by bureaucratic idiots.
Oil has always been finite, this way it will simply be more finite. Maybe we'll finally get around to fixing the climate instead of jerking off into a barrel of black gold.
Is it morally right to fund people who kill children? Nope, but the west sees nothing wrong with doing it anyway, so let's ease off the "moral" train for a second.

I don't want a global government... that's literally the most orwellian thing you could get.
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#164 - mrwalkerfour (6 hours ago) [-]
i said races are different, that doesnt mean one is superior, thats alt right

you were the one who said it wasnt...so yeah, im not complaining about japanese culture because its not really part of the discussion, would you like to also discuss the grievences of the french farm industry in the EU? its called staying on subject

yes they do have less, but as ive stated when we look at those below the poverty line we see more whites, hispanics, and other minorites moving out of poverty than we see blacks, despite the fact that blacks are no more suffering from poverty than hispanics, asians, midd easterns are. they all have the same oppertunities yet blacks still fail to improve.

im not american the consittutuin does not apply to me. and frankly no, i do not respect cultures that are barbaric. i do not support cultures that throw gays off of buildings, i do not support cultures that consider pedophilia an art form (theres japan for you) I do not tolerate cultures that are, in all respect, shit.

so you wouldnt enforce womens rights globally? so this globalist government would fully endorse the mistreatment of women under its rule? female genital mutilation would be a okay in this globalist world? you know you liberals really have some great ideas. globalism soudns great!
hey, you know that governments can do more than one thing at a time right? you can solve the fresh water issue AND work on womens rights at the same time. its not exactly efficient if you only did one thing at a time.

wait wait wait. hold up. you DONT want to force your ideologies on people, but you will ENFORCE democracies? what if they dont want democracy? will you go against their wishes, democracy is an ideology, a great one yes, but still an ideology that not everyone agrees with, especially the middle east which believes that only Allah and his law should hold power. how would you combat religious born ideology? would you tell Muslims to forget their belief system? GOOD LUCK MAN im sure that'll work out fine. so now liberals are forcing ideologies on muslims, wow man liberalism is just plain foolproof

we will stop relying on oil once we find alternative fuels that can sustain an evergrowing population. but until then natiosn like saudi arabia pretty much have us by the balls. its unfortunate i admit but frankly your only option as this new superstate is to either take over saudi arabias oil fields by force, dangerous considering they are essentially the islamic capital of the world. thats alot of angry muslims, look how they took the iraq war to heart? now your taking mecca? holy hell

you realise globalism is the end goal of liberalism, to have one world united under one banner and one government in power thats literally globalism. communism and socialism are meant to be a precursor to this, the idea was the whole world would adopt socialism, then communism, then the world would unite under globalism. sounds great until you realise its fucking stupid as fuck and would never work. all power of nations devolved to one superstate. liberals think it sounds great, they usually like to quote john lennon a man who regularly beat his wife and called his son a mistake to his face and his song imagine. they see globalism as everyone running in a field happy holding hands, but the only problem with that is this little thing called fucking reality.



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#165 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Evidently they do not have the same opportunities otherwise the results would be the same; for instance black people are far more likely to be in a gang than their poverty-stricken counterparts from other races, which might explain why they choose stabbing each other over moving up in the world.

I never said you had to respect them?

You can't force freedom on people. I'm not a globalist. It's like you're hellbent on calling me what I'm not, no idea why that might be.

A democracy is the only system which can express the will of the people, so yes. And literally no one is anti-democracy, because everyone wants their voice heard.
The middle east can quite easily keep allah and have democracy, simply instate sharia law democratically...
By eradicating religion, it's worn a bit thin now.
Please can you write one illegible paragraph without misrepresentation, it's boring to refute everything you say.

Not really, if we don't trade with them then their resources don't exist from our perspective. Oil isn't nearly as important as people seem to think, particularly when it's been supplanted in every conceivable way.

No it really isn't. "Did you know that your ideology says X" oddly enough no, because it doesn't.
Communism and socialism have nothing to do with liberalism... You know that telling me what I think doesn't work, right? Now, maybe in your delusion you've mistaken me for someone completely different, but sadly I have no interest in arguing to defend views I don't hold.
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#82 - the alt right is 75% edgy teens trying to be part of the group…  [+] (18 new replies) 11 hours ago on How liberals react to... +4
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#84 - platinumaltaria (11 hours ago) [-]
Irrelevant, we can't presume that everyone is insincere.

Let me guess, it's because people with higher melanin content in their skin are actually [insert alt. right rhetoric here]. It can't be that that statistic is wrong...

The "culture" thing isn't exclusive to black people though, it's about people living in low income areas. It just so happens that these areas have a lot of black people.
The problem is that everyone wants this to be a race issue, when in fact it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with poverty. Which is obvious, which would be more motivating to you, your skin colour or being able to feed your family.

No, their poverty is due to their lack of upward mobility; this is observed around the world regardless of race, and is due to the way we cluster people based on income. There are "rich areas" and "poor areas", and of the two one has far more opportunities.

Citation needed.

No, multiculturalism requires integration... keeping the cultures separate is isolationism.

Every ideology has the potential to be used for evil. Just wait till we get a centrist hitler.
Women already have rights? As for the rest of the world, nukes aren't nearly as powerful a motivator as trade embargoes.
No because I'm not a commie.
You simply don't trade with the people who don't follow your rules. Since the western world all agrees that's us of the trading table unless you sort yourself out, something tells me they'll want to do it.

Maybe you think so, but I do not.
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#161 - mrwalkerfour (6 hours ago) [-]
no i clearly said that black CULTURE is the main problem, although i do believe there are genetic differences between blacks, whites, latin, i do not think these genetic differences play any large part in the cause of the US black communities extreme fondness for crime.

black culture is almost entirely black, yes their are whites who take up their culture, but its almost 99% black. and no this culture is not "poverty culture" black culture is a very distinct culture from others, in fact blacks tend to take pride in it, because they see it as their music, their fashion, their ideals, their lives. frankly most would find it offenseive that you say its not exclusively theirs. whties who pick up their culture are rarely accepted into their community.

blacks dont have oppertunity? you can literally get a palce at a university for free if your black due to equal opportunity laws,. regardless of whether you deserve it, you can get a job for being black due to diversity laws forcing companies to employ at least one black person. there are more charities, programmes catering to the black community than to impoverished white areas. the president himself spoke out about black poverty but never said a word about the poor white people.

multiculturalism and integration are too conlifctive they cant work. you want people to celebrate and maintain their personal traditions, language, way of living. but at the same time you want them to change their ideas to that of their adoptive country, speak the common language, adopt the traditions of the adoptive nation. sorry but thats like trying to put together globalism and nationalism.

islolationism is keeping cultures and people seperate, i personally dont mind movement of people (so long as its controlled and secure) but once people move from one cultural area to a different one they should be aware that they are making a decision to adopt not only the country as their home, but also the traditions, and culture, they will be expected to speak the local dialect, be respectful of the nations holidays and celebrations, and in time adopt our way of life.

this goes both ways, id expect a westerner moving to the middle east to adopt their way of life aswell


yes we have womens rights in the west, but if we are talking about a world nation, the whole world does not have womens rights, how would you force these rights on parts of the world who simply reject the idea that women and men are equal? a trade embargo wont change a persons mind on women.

a trade embargo on saudi arabia? haha good luck, they are the main supplier of oil and gas to half the world, nations who rely on saudi arabia will not agree on a trade embargo when their country is grinding to a halt why do you think the western world tolerates the saudis and the shit theyve done such as involvement in 9/11 and supplying of arms to ISIS, their slavery and their stoning of gays and women. unless you convice what was the united states and what was russia to now supply their oil the world to leviate the lack of saudi supply. and wait, we dont actually have enough reserves to supply the whole world, how would you personally supply the world with enough fuel to keep the world going? would you ration the whole world so we all get a little? induce poverty in the developed world, industry would grind to a crawl.
or would you sacrifice areas to poverty such as africa? would that be morally right?

also how would a global government be elected? does everyone in the world get 1 vote? we're talking billions of people there's gonna be at least 30,000 candidates every region in the world will have its own favourite, how will that work?
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#163 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Then why bring them up, eh? To lord your racial superiority, or merely as a passing remark?

>black culture is black
In other news, water is wet.
Whilst we're painting everyone with a broad brush, why aren't you complaining about the japanese culture of committing ritual suicide, or the central arabian culture of constructing large fortified cities.

It is objectively the case that poor people have fewer opportunities thrown their way than rich poeple. Nothing racial here.
"Muh quotas" I don't agree with them either, but they clearly aren't having an effect.

It's not an either or situation, you can drop one thing and keep another. In fact it's enshrined in your constitution that you have to allow others to practice their culture, so aside from tearing down democracy and instating your new world order what do you plan to do about it?

And how many westerners move to the middle east? I think it's fewer.

The whole world doesn't have running fucking water, an issue I consider far more pressing than muh vagina. There's no point getting women the vote if they're going to die of thirst all the same. muh appeal to bigger issues can slurp on this dick. Women in the middle east can fight for their own rights, I have no desire to force my ideology on them. I will, however, facilitate the creation of democracies via an international effort to combat dictators around the world, including the ones selling us oil.

Don't care what they sell, I'm pretty sure life's going to suck when every industrialised nation in the world gives two shits about you starving. They can keep their oil, and we'll keep the money that runs their shitty governments.
Because the west is currently run by bureaucratic idiots.
Oil has always been finite, this way it will simply be more finite. Maybe we'll finally get around to fixing the climate instead of jerking off into a barrel of black gold.
Is it morally right to fund people who kill children? Nope, but the west sees nothing wrong with doing it anyway, so let's ease off the "moral" train for a second.

I don't want a global government... that's literally the most orwellian thing you could get.
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#164 - mrwalkerfour (6 hours ago) [-]
i said races are different, that doesnt mean one is superior, thats alt right

you were the one who said it wasnt...so yeah, im not complaining about japanese culture because its not really part of the discussion, would you like to also discuss the grievences of the french farm industry in the EU? its called staying on subject

yes they do have less, but as ive stated when we look at those below the poverty line we see more whites, hispanics, and other minorites moving out of poverty than we see blacks, despite the fact that blacks are no more suffering from poverty than hispanics, asians, midd easterns are. they all have the same oppertunities yet blacks still fail to improve.

im not american the consittutuin does not apply to me. and frankly no, i do not respect cultures that are barbaric. i do not support cultures that throw gays off of buildings, i do not support cultures that consider pedophilia an art form (theres japan for you) I do not tolerate cultures that are, in all respect, shit.

so you wouldnt enforce womens rights globally? so this globalist government would fully endorse the mistreatment of women under its rule? female genital mutilation would be a okay in this globalist world? you know you liberals really have some great ideas. globalism soudns great!
hey, you know that governments can do more than one thing at a time right? you can solve the fresh water issue AND work on womens rights at the same time. its not exactly efficient if you only did one thing at a time.

wait wait wait. hold up. you DONT want to force your ideologies on people, but you will ENFORCE democracies? what if they dont want democracy? will you go against their wishes, democracy is an ideology, a great one yes, but still an ideology that not everyone agrees with, especially the middle east which believes that only Allah and his law should hold power. how would you combat religious born ideology? would you tell Muslims to forget their belief system? GOOD LUCK MAN im sure that'll work out fine. so now liberals are forcing ideologies on muslims, wow man liberalism is just plain foolproof

we will stop relying on oil once we find alternative fuels that can sustain an evergrowing population. but until then natiosn like saudi arabia pretty much have us by the balls. its unfortunate i admit but frankly your only option as this new superstate is to either take over saudi arabias oil fields by force, dangerous considering they are essentially the islamic capital of the world. thats alot of angry muslims, look how they took the iraq war to heart? now your taking mecca? holy hell

you realise globalism is the end goal of liberalism, to have one world united under one banner and one government in power thats literally globalism. communism and socialism are meant to be a precursor to this, the idea was the whole world would adopt socialism, then communism, then the world would unite under globalism. sounds great until you realise its fucking stupid as fuck and would never work. all power of nations devolved to one superstate. liberals think it sounds great, they usually like to quote john lennon a man who regularly beat his wife and called his son a mistake to his face and his song imagine. they see globalism as everyone running in a field happy holding hands, but the only problem with that is this little thing called fucking reality.



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#165 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Evidently they do not have the same opportunities otherwise the results would be the same; for instance black people are far more likely to be in a gang than their poverty-stricken counterparts from other races, which might explain why they choose stabbing each other over moving up in the world.

I never said you had to respect them?

You can't force freedom on people. I'm not a globalist. It's like you're hellbent on calling me what I'm not, no idea why that might be.

A democracy is the only system which can express the will of the people, so yes. And literally no one is anti-democracy, because everyone wants their voice heard.
The middle east can quite easily keep allah and have democracy, simply instate sharia law democratically...
By eradicating religion, it's worn a bit thin now.
Please can you write one illegible paragraph without misrepresentation, it's boring to refute everything you say.

Not really, if we don't trade with them then their resources don't exist from our perspective. Oil isn't nearly as important as people seem to think, particularly when it's been supplanted in every conceivable way.

No it really isn't. "Did you know that your ideology says X" oddly enough no, because it doesn't.
Communism and socialism have nothing to do with liberalism... You know that telling me what I think doesn't work, right? Now, maybe in your delusion you've mistaken me for someone completely different, but sadly I have no interest in arguing to defend views I don't hold.
#145 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
Do you by chance have a degree in sociology? Your opinions that you consider facts align with the dogmas of sociology, like the idea that race is a social construct. It is nothing short of offensive that sociology is considered a social "science". It is closer to religion than science as it directly contradicts known scientific facts such as the existence of general intelligence, the heritability of intelligence, biological differences between races (beyond skin color) etc etc, and replaces these facts with dogmas that support a false world view. There is no room for critical thinking when your research starts with objectively false assumptions.
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#146 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
No.
Race is not a social construct what the fuck are you talking about?

We get it, you don't agree with sociology... luckily that's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
#138 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
If you think racial differences begin and end with skin color then you have no knowledge of biology or evolutionary theory. The idea that a single organ (skin) would adapt to different environments while every other organ (including the brain) would not, defies logic given you have a basic understanding of evolution. There are obvious physical genetic differences between races, including size and musculature. The brain is not exempt from evolution.
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#141 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
The differences in skin colour are due to the environments people live in. Pale people in the north where light is in short supply, black skin in the south where a tan protects you from the oh so deadly radiation.

Can you please provide an explanation as to why intelligence would vary between races? Preferably without me needing a tin-foil hat.
#152 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
The explanation relies on your acceptance of certain scientific facts.

1. There exists a general intelligence, meaning some people's brains are more capable of storing and processing information than other people. This has been accurately and repeatedly measured, and exists in a normal distribution which is perfectly expected given that most natural phenomena exhibit a normal distribution.

2. Intelligence is heritable. The degree of heritability is controversial, but the idea that are brains are blank slates is preposterous. A large amount of our behavior is hard wired in our genetic code.

3. Evolutionary differences between races beyond skin color. Some groups of people are shorter. Some are taller. They have different blood types. Sickle cell anemia is more common among people of African descent because it provides protection against malaria. There are environmental differences beyond the amount of sunlight a region gets, and humans have evolved many physical differences to better survive in these different conditions.

So, are some races smarter than others? YES, this is scientific fact. How much is genetic is controversial, and is up for debate.

My opinion is that given the existence of general intelligence and the large genetic physical differences between racial groups, it seems impossible or at least highly improbable that different racial groups would have exactly the same average intelligence.
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#154 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
I accept all scientific facts >_> they're facts. wut

1. Yes, some people are smarter than others...

2. I do not agree that intelligence is heritable, oddly it seems that the smartest people among us frequently sure stupid children. This is because intelligence by and large leads to wealth, and wealth leads to stupidity.
Some behaviour is hardwired, but intelligence is not behaviour.

3. Yes indeed, there are many things that differ between races. And all of them have one thing in common: a reason.

4. Citation needed. All differences can easily be accounted for for education, which is a far more logical explanation than "muh skin colour".

Let's think about this for a second, can we devise a reason that intelligence would need to be different based on your environment? No. Intelligence is always better to have more of, therefore all humans have increased in intelligence going forward in time at the same rate. Which means that all races are of equal intelligence. The common theory cited by racists is that the races further from africa are more intelligent, from blacks to whites to asians, right? However based on our understanding of how humans migrated this should logically make native americans super-geniuses, with the south american natives being god-like in comparison. Oddly they still decided to sacrifice humans to make it rain... weird that.
#159 - anon (7 hours ago) [-]
Many good points, but you are simply wrong on point 2. It is fact, and a crux of the argument. No amount of explanation can force you to accept it, so agree to disagree I suppose, though I would encourage you to read up on the topic, you may be surprised.

Your last point is reasonable, but I would argue that some environments reward intelligence more than others. If food and other survival needs are abundant, intelligence is less important, but I admit this is conjecture on my part.
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#160 - platinumaltaria (7 hours ago) [-]
Explanation is not required, evidence is, something sorely lacking from all your claims. "Educate yourself" does not constitute an argument either.

If your idea of "abundance breeds stupidity" is correct then black people should be the most intelligent. Africa lacks civilisation precisely because there's fuck all resources there.
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#119 - containlettersonly (9 hours ago) [-]
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#120 - platinumaltaria (9 hours ago) [-]
>stefan molyneux
>honest
Pick one. But seriously interesting conversation.
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#123 - containlettersonly (9 hours ago) [-]
Didn't read the spoiler until i already responded.
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#122 - platinumaltaria (9 hours ago) [-]
I was joking, relax.

Also no, questioning a compulsive liar's honesty is completely fair.
#65 - the fact isn't used to disprove that whites were racist. …  [+] (1 new reply) 11 hours ago on How liberals react to... +5
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#158 - talldumbdork (7 hours ago) [-]
Hitler Avatar has a point
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#64 - platinumaltaria (11 hours ago) [-]
Clearly you've never encountered the alt. right. To them facts are just part of the jewish conspiracy.

Actually the word 'disproportionate' is inaccurate in this instance, they commit exactly the amount of crimes you would expect from a group of people so poor overall.

You mean progressives not liberals. Learn words, it helps make your arguments more credible.

Conservatives never say anything like that because they have a mouth full of jesus' dick. It's a joke

liberalism is based on a feeling the majority of liberals are young, have no real world experience, think that going to university and getting a degree makes them smart. who think that people who think that older people with more experience in the real world than them are stupid and ignorant.
That there's a strawman son, it doesn't even apply to progressives.

It's a perfectly realistic idea, the issue is that it's not what most people want. Most people want to enforce their ideology on everyone else. Ironically the progressives want to force their ideology of acceptance on everyone else...
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#82 - mrwalkerfour (11 hours ago) [-]
the alt right is 75% edgy teens trying to be part of the group on /pol/ very few are actually believers of that stuff. its mostly a joke, a teens attempt to be edgy

actually poor whites commit way less crime than poor blacks. in fact their are more whites in poverty right now than their are blacks overall. yet despite this blacks are committing more crime still.
and we see more whites, hispanics, and other monority races moving out of poverty than we do blacks, blacks tend to stay in poverty.


again this is a complex issue, one too complex for a thread comment, but I believe alot of black poverty and why it hasnt improved is based on their culture, a self destroying culture that promotes thug attitudes, and treats "gangsta's" as role models, a culture that tells black they shouldnt "act white" which basically means "try hard at school, keep away from drugs and crime and try to be successful".
the fact that the culture demonizes the police (which is now at an all time high thanks to BLM) so the police instead of being invited into the community to help the black community they are now shunned and rejected. because the media fills their heads with images of every single black person shot by cops regardless of circumstances they have gained a hatred for cops. cops cant improve a community which openly wants to kill them given the chance.

obviously some of their poverty is due to their history, but to say their poverty is entirely the fault of how whites treated their grandfathers is insulting to the many many whites who are to this day trying to make a difference in black communities

considering the average age of liberals is 25. the average time in post high school education is 4 years. my view of liberals as mainly young degree level educated people isn't farfetched.

i assume the last part was about globalism. its not a perfectly reasonable idea its a bad idea. globalism would work if everyone in the world shared the same ideals, beliefs, and wanted the same things. but they dont. and to dream of a world where everyone was the same, no race, no religions, no cultures but one, is entirely against multiculturalism, a foundation of the liberal agenda.

it sounds good the same way communism sounds good, or socialism. but every time those are put into practice its a nightmare. because those ideas rely on all people agreeing to it and following it. when do expect the whole world to agree on how a global government should work? when will the whole world agree on the laws that should exist for the world? i assume as a liberal youll want womens rights yes? how do you plan on persuading most of the middle east and africa to agree on that? what about fuel? will your global government dish out oil and natural gas evenly? tear up trade deals and force oil rich areas to share? how will you force them? why would they agree?

itd be easy to enforce all those things through tyranical dictatorship of course, a global dictatorship that enforces the new world order through power of arms. at which point i think globalism can be hung up as another ideal that is not compatible with human behaviour

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#84 - platinumaltaria (11 hours ago) [-]
Irrelevant, we can't presume that everyone is insincere.

Let me guess, it's because people with higher melanin content in their skin are actually [insert alt. right rhetoric here]. It can't be that that statistic is wrong...

The "culture" thing isn't exclusive to black people though, it's about people living in low income areas. It just so happens that these areas have a lot of black people.
The problem is that everyone wants this to be a race issue, when in fact it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with poverty. Which is obvious, which would be more motivating to you, your skin colour or being able to feed your family.

No, their poverty is due to their lack of upward mobility; this is observed around the world regardless of race, and is due to the way we cluster people based on income. There are "rich areas" and "poor areas", and of the two one has far more opportunities.

Citation needed.

No, multiculturalism requires integration... keeping the cultures separate is isolationism.

Every ideology has the potential to be used for evil. Just wait till we get a centrist hitler.
Women already have rights? As for the rest of the world, nukes aren't nearly as powerful a motivator as trade embargoes.
No because I'm not a commie.
You simply don't trade with the people who don't follow your rules. Since the western world all agrees that's us of the trading table unless you sort yourself out, something tells me they'll want to do it.

Maybe you think so, but I do not.
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#161 - mrwalkerfour (6 hours ago) [-]
no i clearly said that black CULTURE is the main problem, although i do believe there are genetic differences between blacks, whites, latin, i do not think these genetic differences play any large part in the cause of the US black communities extreme fondness for crime.

black culture is almost entirely black, yes their are whites who take up their culture, but its almost 99% black. and no this culture is not "poverty culture" black culture is a very distinct culture from others, in fact blacks tend to take pride in it, because they see it as their music, their fashion, their ideals, their lives. frankly most would find it offenseive that you say its not exclusively theirs. whties who pick up their culture are rarely accepted into their community.

blacks dont have oppertunity? you can literally get a palce at a university for free if your black due to equal opportunity laws,. regardless of whether you deserve it, you can get a job for being black due to diversity laws forcing companies to employ at least one black person. there are more charities, programmes catering to the black community than to impoverished white areas. the president himself spoke out about black poverty but never said a word about the poor white people.

multiculturalism and integration are too conlifctive they cant work. you want people to celebrate and maintain their personal traditions, language, way of living. but at the same time you want them to change their ideas to that of their adoptive country, speak the common language, adopt the traditions of the adoptive nation. sorry but thats like trying to put together globalism and nationalism.

islolationism is keeping cultures and people seperate, i personally dont mind movement of people (so long as its controlled and secure) but once people move from one cultural area to a different one they should be aware that they are making a decision to adopt not only the country as their home, but also the traditions, and culture, they will be expected to speak the local dialect, be respectful of the nations holidays and celebrations, and in time adopt our way of life.

this goes both ways, id expect a westerner moving to the middle east to adopt their way of life aswell


yes we have womens rights in the west, but if we are talking about a world nation, the whole world does not have womens rights, how would you force these rights on parts of the world who simply reject the idea that women and men are equal? a trade embargo wont change a persons mind on women.

a trade embargo on saudi arabia? haha good luck, they are the main supplier of oil and gas to half the world, nations who rely on saudi arabia will not agree on a trade embargo when their country is grinding to a halt why do you think the western world tolerates the saudis and the shit theyve done such as involvement in 9/11 and supplying of arms to ISIS, their slavery and their stoning of gays and women. unless you convice what was the united states and what was russia to now supply their oil the world to leviate the lack of saudi supply. and wait, we dont actually have enough reserves to supply the whole world, how would you personally supply the world with enough fuel to keep the world going? would you ration the whole world so we all get a little? induce poverty in the developed world, industry would grind to a crawl.
or would you sacrifice areas to poverty such as africa? would that be morally right?

also how would a global government be elected? does everyone in the world get 1 vote? we're talking billions of people there's gonna be at least 30,000 candidates every region in the world will have its own favourite, how will that work?
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#163 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Then why bring them up, eh? To lord your racial superiority, or merely as a passing remark?

>black culture is black
In other news, water is wet.
Whilst we're painting everyone with a broad brush, why aren't you complaining about the japanese culture of committing ritual suicide, or the central arabian culture of constructing large fortified cities.

It is objectively the case that poor people have fewer opportunities thrown their way than rich poeple. Nothing racial here.
"Muh quotas" I don't agree with them either, but they clearly aren't having an effect.

It's not an either or situation, you can drop one thing and keep another. In fact it's enshrined in your constitution that you have to allow others to practice their culture, so aside from tearing down democracy and instating your new world order what do you plan to do about it?

And how many westerners move to the middle east? I think it's fewer.

The whole world doesn't have running fucking water, an issue I consider far more pressing than muh vagina. There's no point getting women the vote if they're going to die of thirst all the same. muh appeal to bigger issues can slurp on this dick. Women in the middle east can fight for their own rights, I have no desire to force my ideology on them. I will, however, facilitate the creation of democracies via an international effort to combat dictators around the world, including the ones selling us oil.

Don't care what they sell, I'm pretty sure life's going to suck when every industrialised nation in the world gives two shits about you starving. They can keep their oil, and we'll keep the money that runs their shitty governments.
Because the west is currently run by bureaucratic idiots.
Oil has always been finite, this way it will simply be more finite. Maybe we'll finally get around to fixing the climate instead of jerking off into a barrel of black gold.
Is it morally right to fund people who kill children? Nope, but the west sees nothing wrong with doing it anyway, so let's ease off the "moral" train for a second.

I don't want a global government... that's literally the most orwellian thing you could get.
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#164 - mrwalkerfour (6 hours ago) [-]
i said races are different, that doesnt mean one is superior, thats alt right

you were the one who said it wasnt...so yeah, im not complaining about japanese culture because its not really part of the discussion, would you like to also discuss the grievences of the french farm industry in the EU? its called staying on subject

yes they do have less, but as ive stated when we look at those below the poverty line we see more whites, hispanics, and other minorites moving out of poverty than we see blacks, despite the fact that blacks are no more suffering from poverty than hispanics, asians, midd easterns are. they all have the same oppertunities yet blacks still fail to improve.

im not american the consittutuin does not apply to me. and frankly no, i do not respect cultures that are barbaric. i do not support cultures that throw gays off of buildings, i do not support cultures that consider pedophilia an art form (theres japan for you) I do not tolerate cultures that are, in all respect, shit.

so you wouldnt enforce womens rights globally? so this globalist government would fully endorse the mistreatment of women under its rule? female genital mutilation would be a okay in this globalist world? you know you liberals really have some great ideas. globalism soudns great!
hey, you know that governments can do more than one thing at a time right? you can solve the fresh water issue AND work on womens rights at the same time. its not exactly efficient if you only did one thing at a time.

wait wait wait. hold up. you DONT want to force your ideologies on people, but you will ENFORCE democracies? what if they dont want democracy? will you go against their wishes, democracy is an ideology, a great one yes, but still an ideology that not everyone agrees with, especially the middle east which believes that only Allah and his law should hold power. how would you combat religious born ideology? would you tell Muslims to forget their belief system? GOOD LUCK MAN im sure that'll work out fine. so now liberals are forcing ideologies on muslims, wow man liberalism is just plain foolproof

we will stop relying on oil once we find alternative fuels that can sustain an evergrowing population. but until then natiosn like saudi arabia pretty much have us by the balls. its unfortunate i admit but frankly your only option as this new superstate is to either take over saudi arabias oil fields by force, dangerous considering they are essentially the islamic capital of the world. thats alot of angry muslims, look how they took the iraq war to heart? now your taking mecca? holy hell

you realise globalism is the end goal of liberalism, to have one world united under one banner and one government in power thats literally globalism. communism and socialism are meant to be a precursor to this, the idea was the whole world would adopt socialism, then communism, then the world would unite under globalism. sounds great until you realise its fucking stupid as fuck and would never work. all power of nations devolved to one superstate. liberals think it sounds great, they usually like to quote john lennon a man who regularly beat his wife and called his son a mistake to his face and his song imagine. they see globalism as everyone running in a field happy holding hands, but the only problem with that is this little thing called fucking reality.



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#165 - platinumaltaria (6 hours ago) [-]
Evidently they do not have the same opportunities otherwise the results would be the same; for instance black people are far more likely to be in a gang than their poverty-stricken counterparts from other races, which might explain why they choose stabbing each other over moving up in the world.

I never said you had to respect them?

You can't force freedom on people. I'm not a globalist. It's like you're hellbent on calling me what I'm not, no idea why that might be.

A democracy is the only system which can express the will of the people, so yes. And literally no one is anti-democracy, because everyone wants their voice heard.
The middle east can quite easily keep allah and have democracy, simply instate sharia law democratically...
By eradicating religion, it's worn a bit thin now.
Please can you write one illegible paragraph without misrepresentation, it's boring to refute everything you say.

Not really, if we don't trade with them then their resources don't exist from our perspective. Oil isn't nearly as important as people seem to think, particularly when it's been supplanted in every conceivable way.

No it really isn't. "Did you know that your ideology says X" oddly enough no, because it doesn't.
Communism and socialism have nothing to do with liberalism... You know that telling me what I think doesn't work, right? Now, maybe in your delusion you've mistaken me for someone completely different, but sadly I have no interest in arguing to defend views I don't hold.
#145 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
Do you by chance have a degree in sociology? Your opinions that you consider facts align with the dogmas of sociology, like the idea that race is a social construct. It is nothing short of offensive that sociology is considered a social "science". It is closer to religion than science as it directly contradicts known scientific facts such as the existence of general intelligence, the heritability of intelligence, biological differences between races (beyond skin color) etc etc, and replaces these facts with dogmas that support a false world view. There is no room for critical thinking when your research starts with objectively false assumptions.
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#146 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
No.
Race is not a social construct what the fuck are you talking about?

We get it, you don't agree with sociology... luckily that's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
#138 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
If you think racial differences begin and end with skin color then you have no knowledge of biology or evolutionary theory. The idea that a single organ (skin) would adapt to different environments while every other organ (including the brain) would not, defies logic given you have a basic understanding of evolution. There are obvious physical genetic differences between races, including size and musculature. The brain is not exempt from evolution.
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#141 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
The differences in skin colour are due to the environments people live in. Pale people in the north where light is in short supply, black skin in the south where a tan protects you from the oh so deadly radiation.

Can you please provide an explanation as to why intelligence would vary between races? Preferably without me needing a tin-foil hat.
#152 - anon (8 hours ago) [-]
The explanation relies on your acceptance of certain scientific facts.

1. There exists a general intelligence, meaning some people's brains are more capable of storing and processing information than other people. This has been accurately and repeatedly measured, and exists in a normal distribution which is perfectly expected given that most natural phenomena exhibit a normal distribution.

2. Intelligence is heritable. The degree of heritability is controversial, but the idea that are brains are blank slates is preposterous. A large amount of our behavior is hard wired in our genetic code.

3. Evolutionary differences between races beyond skin color. Some groups of people are shorter. Some are taller. They have different blood types. Sickle cell anemia is more common among people of African descent because it provides protection against malaria. There are environmental differences beyond the amount of sunlight a region gets, and humans have evolved many physical differences to better survive in these different conditions.

So, are some races smarter than others? YES, this is scientific fact. How much is genetic is controversial, and is up for debate.

My opinion is that given the existence of general intelligence and the large genetic physical differences between racial groups, it seems impossible or at least highly improbable that different racial groups would have exactly the same average intelligence.
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#154 - platinumaltaria (8 hours ago) [-]
I accept all scientific facts >_> they're facts. wut

1. Yes, some people are smarter than others...

2. I do not agree that intelligence is heritable, oddly it seems that the smartest people among us frequently sure stupid children. This is because intelligence by and large leads to wealth, and wealth leads to stupidity.
Some behaviour is hardwired, but intelligence is not behaviour.

3. Yes indeed, there are many things that differ between races. And all of them have one thing in common: a reason.

4. Citation needed. All differences can easily be accounted for for education, which is a far more logical explanation than "muh skin colour".

Let's think about this for a second, can we devise a reason that intelligence would need to be different based on your environment? No. Intelligence is always better to have more of, therefore all humans have increased in intelligence going forward in time at the same rate. Which means that all races are of equal intelligence. The common theory cited by racists is that the races further from africa are more intelligent, from blacks to whites to asians, right? However based on our understanding of how humans migrated this should logically make native americans super-geniuses, with the south american natives being god-like in comparison. Oddly they still decided to sacrifice humans to make it rain... weird that.
#159 - anon (7 hours ago) [-]
Many good points, but you are simply wrong on point 2. It is fact, and a crux of the argument. No amount of explanation can force you to accept it, so agree to disagree I suppose, though I would encourage you to read up on the topic, you may be surprised.

Your last point is reasonable, but I would argue that some environments reward intelligence more than others. If food and other survival needs are abundant, intelligence is less important, but I admit this is conjecture on my part.
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#160 - platinumaltaria (7 hours ago) [-]
Explanation is not required, evidence is, something sorely lacking from all your claims. "Educate yourself" does not constitute an argument either.

If your idea of "abundance breeds stupidity" is correct then black people should be the most intelligent. Africa lacks civilisation precisely because there's fuck all resources there.
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#119 - containlettersonly (9 hours ago) [-]
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#120 - platinumaltaria (9 hours ago) [-]
>stefan molyneux
>honest
Pick one. But seriously interesting conversation.
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#123 - containlettersonly (9 hours ago) [-]
Didn't read the spoiler until i already responded.
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#122 - platinumaltaria (9 hours ago) [-]
I was joking, relax.

Also no, questioning a compulsive liar's honesty is completely fair.