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User avatar #152 - thirdjess (04/12/2015) [-]
Absolutely they do. And I 100% agree that these hypermasculine characters should be toned down. Though I would like to point out, there is a difference in being buff and being naked.

The thing is, these hypermasculine men are designed to portray power, to make male players feel good and strong. Because according to the fucked up masculine binary, men don't feel weak so therefore if we right a hypermasculine character they'll definitely not feel insecure in comparison.

The male characters are sexualised to make the men feel good
The female characters are sexualised to make the men feel good
User avatar #255 - darrenblackfox (04/12/2015) [-]
>The male characters are sexualised to make the men feel good

Yeah, because I play these games and my reaction is "yeah I totally relate to this pile of muscle and power". No. I sit here and think "I could never be this, but if I wanted to be anywhere near this I could put the work and effort into it." And that's the most positive thing you can get from it.

Me playing games as powerful characters does shit for my personal self-esteem. You know why? BECAUSE THE CHARACTER IS BUILT FOR STORY. Yes, you're supposed to relate to a character on some level, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna play as some chubby fucker who'd get killed in five seconds. Now, there are games, as have been pointed out, that over-sexualized both female and male characters. Any that make me uncomfortable or that I disagree with? I don't play. Period.

The point of a target audience is to not have to be so damn politically correct that you lose every audience because no one wants to buy that. You want some games with female leads that you support? Support those, instead of wasting your time taking down games that already exist with someone else in mind. I get that this post was claiming that this particular character isn't sexist (which, in my opinion, it isn't. Sexualized, maybe, but not sexist) but so many people complain about the bad instead of supporting the good.

Focusing only on the bad brings the bad to the surface, but you leave the good behind. Support the good things and they will get a voice. Just focusing on that which you disagree with only kills the voice of those who liked it. Then no one gets a voice.

I'm out.
User avatar #289 - thirdjess (04/12/2015) [-]
Jesus fucking christ I am so tired of people talking to me on here with the assumption that I'm a Sarkeesian Sheep and that I actually want games like GTA to be removed from stores.

Apparently you hadn't guessed from my use of the words 'fucked up', that whole section was sarcasm. Men, according to masculinity, are never weak. Never sad. Never insecure. But obviously real living men are because they're humans with emotions. They target these games not at the individual but at massive stereotypes and most of the time these stereotypes are damaging to people.
User avatar #190 - kanadetenshi (04/12/2015) [-]
Now you're just enforcing gender role assumptions and heterosexism.
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User avatar #178 - monkee (04/12/2015) [-]
I do agree that there is a disparity in certain game designs - look at body armour design in numerous RPGs etc. One of the reasons I loved Skyrim, as my character didn't look like a stripper on an LSD trip.

One thing I do not understand however, is the lack of consideration given towards females sexualising men across different medias. In many advertisements 'macho men' are used to sell products to women on the same levels as women are used to appeal to men. Sex sells, there is no question about that. The difference being, objectifying men is socially acceptable, whilst objectifying women is increasingly protested. Wanting ownership of ones body is admirable and I fully support diversity in the media (although it will never happen unless it sells). Unfortunately, social rules in many developed societies sexualise our gentials and are unlikely to change, which is why a topless woman or uncovered penis in Britian is scandalous, but an everyday occurrence in certain traditional cultures. I feel like this has become a topic for anthropologists instead of gender theorists, and subsequently has been largely ignored. Fighting against hypersexualisation is fighting against a societies ideas of sexuality, and what constitutes it. It is not tied down to one form of media, but across a culture.

My main concern in any gender movement is equality in coverage and research. From what research I have read and social theories I have discussed, there is a massive disparity in research between female and male body discrimination. My local feminist society denounced me as a gender traitor for asking my previous question, so I don't see the mainstream feminist movement tackling this issue very soon.
User avatar #153 - thirdjess (04/12/2015) [-]

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#7 - thebestofmurder (01/29/2013) [-]
Sorry if I came off as a callous prick. It wasn't my intention. I'm just tired of hearing people say such things about something I hold dear. I come here to say sorry, I meant nothing cruel or mean by it. I meant a challenge to the "ignorant" atheists.
Sorry if I came off as a callous prick. It wasn't my intention. I'm just tired of hearing people say such things about something I hold dear. I come here to say sorry, I meant nothing cruel or mean by it. I meant a challenge to the "ignorant" atheists.
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