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#279 - I pretty much agree. my personal philosophy is "all youre…  [+] (1 reply) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#280 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I like the reverse Murphy's law.
"All things that will happen, can happen"
Anything that happens, is the only thing that could have happened.
#276 - but thats what spinoza was saying, that free will doesnt exist…  [+] (3 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#277 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Basically, you can reason to it from a hypothetical.

If I were to turn back time a few minutes, would you ever act differently than you did?
No, because all the factors that contributed to (and determined) your actions would be the same.
If my mind was at the same state, my knowledge was the same, I would always act in a particular way.

So I'd say choice is an illusion.
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#279 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
I pretty much agree. my personal philosophy is "all youre ever going to do is what youre doing right now."
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#280 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I like the reverse Murphy's law.
"All things that will happen, can happen"
Anything that happens, is the only thing that could have happened.
#274 - of course, why shoudl it matter that we have the "eye of …  [+] (2 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#275 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I don't know that there are animals with "higher self awareness" than humans. I don't even know what that means.
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#278 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
just speculation on the possibility, i doubt it too
#271 - exactly and what determines when the level of complexity of an…  [+] (5 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#273 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I'm not even at the point where I accept that people have free will.
So I have no idea
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#276 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
but thats what spinoza was saying, that free will doesnt exist. its only that point, that point that you ask yourself, "why am i eating?" that you can basically actively choose not to. thats what we consider free will. but yeah im pretty much with you on that. its all just a clusterfuck of information when it comes down to it.
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#277 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Basically, you can reason to it from a hypothetical.

If I were to turn back time a few minutes, would you ever act differently than you did?
No, because all the factors that contributed to (and determined) your actions would be the same.
If my mind was at the same state, my knowledge was the same, I would always act in a particular way.

So I'd say choice is an illusion.
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#279 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
I pretty much agree. my personal philosophy is "all youre ever going to do is what youre doing right now."
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#280 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I like the reverse Murphy's law.
"All things that will happen, can happen"
Anything that happens, is the only thing that could have happened.
#270 - arent the neural processes in dolphins brains agruably more co…  [+] (4 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#272 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Surpassing us in some brain functions are not a new thing, nor does it really matter.
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#274 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
of course, why shoudl it matter that we have the "eye of a hawk" when we can use our technologically superior brains to see further via something we made? or the "speed of a cheetah" im talking about self awereness that is higher than the level of humans, because thats truly all humans still need. weve surpassed animals every way that matters
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#275 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I don't know that there are animals with "higher self awareness" than humans. I don't even know what that means.
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#278 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
just speculation on the possibility, i doubt it too
#268 - theres chemical processes in animals brains, but at what point…  [+] (7 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#269 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I'd say it has to do with the complexity of the system, as well as the components in it.
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#271 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
exactly and what determines when the level of complexity of an organisms pathways has reached the point of being capable of free will? At what point does a fish wonder WHY he is hungry. the act of questioning why in itself is almost a determining factor in humanity, im beginning to think
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#273 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I'm not even at the point where I accept that people have free will.
So I have no idea
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#276 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
but thats what spinoza was saying, that free will doesnt exist. its only that point, that point that you ask yourself, "why am i eating?" that you can basically actively choose not to. thats what we consider free will. but yeah im pretty much with you on that. its all just a clusterfuck of information when it comes down to it.
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#277 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Basically, you can reason to it from a hypothetical.

If I were to turn back time a few minutes, would you ever act differently than you did?
No, because all the factors that contributed to (and determined) your actions would be the same.
If my mind was at the same state, my knowledge was the same, I would always act in a particular way.

So I'd say choice is an illusion.
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#279 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
I pretty much agree. my personal philosophy is "all youre ever going to do is what youre doing right now."
User avatar
#280 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I like the reverse Murphy's law.
"All things that will happen, can happen"
Anything that happens, is the only thing that could have happened.
#265 - Spinoza said something like, "free will as we know it doe…  [+] (14 replies) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#267 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Because of chemical processes in my brain?
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#270 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
arent the neural processes in dolphins brains agruably more complex than humans in ways? explaining why their communication skills are off the charts? i shuld research a little more but i feel like there are several albeit very few species than actually surpass humans in their brain functions
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#272 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Surpassing us in some brain functions are not a new thing, nor does it really matter.
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#274 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
of course, why shoudl it matter that we have the "eye of a hawk" when we can use our technologically superior brains to see further via something we made? or the "speed of a cheetah" im talking about self awereness that is higher than the level of humans, because thats truly all humans still need. weve surpassed animals every way that matters
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#275 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I don't know that there are animals with "higher self awareness" than humans. I don't even know what that means.
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#278 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
just speculation on the possibility, i doubt it too
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#268 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
theres chemical processes in animals brains, but at what point do they notice that theyre self aware? like the mirror test, apparently only like half of all monkeys can recognize themself in a mirror.
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#269 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I'd say it has to do with the complexity of the system, as well as the components in it.
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#271 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
exactly and what determines when the level of complexity of an organisms pathways has reached the point of being capable of free will? At what point does a fish wonder WHY he is hungry. the act of questioning why in itself is almost a determining factor in humanity, im beginning to think
User avatar
#273 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I'm not even at the point where I accept that people have free will.
So I have no idea
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#276 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
but thats what spinoza was saying, that free will doesnt exist. its only that point, that point that you ask yourself, "why am i eating?" that you can basically actively choose not to. thats what we consider free will. but yeah im pretty much with you on that. its all just a clusterfuck of information when it comes down to it.
User avatar
#277 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
Basically, you can reason to it from a hypothetical.

If I were to turn back time a few minutes, would you ever act differently than you did?
No, because all the factors that contributed to (and determined) your actions would be the same.
If my mind was at the same state, my knowledge was the same, I would always act in a particular way.

So I'd say choice is an illusion.
User avatar
#279 - metzgermeister (01/20/2016) [-]
I pretty much agree. my personal philosophy is "all youre ever going to do is what youre doing right now."
User avatar
#280 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
I like the reverse Murphy's law.
"All things that will happen, can happen"
Anything that happens, is the only thing that could have happened.
#264 - all i see right here is evidence that man, given the choice, w…  [+] (1 reply) 01/20/2016 on Oh my God 0
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#266 - testaburger (01/20/2016) [-]
We also had no idea that it was the wrong thing to do.
The whole fruit thing is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

Basically, adam and steve had no concept of right/wrong before eating the fruit.
Can hardly blame them for choosing the wrong thing when they were literally incapable of recognizing that it was wrong.
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