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#152 - Yeah, historian... one which has writen over 20 Book about con…  [+] (1 reply) 09/07/2016 on veiled irony 0
#169 - raisinbeuponhim (09/08/2016) [-]
The shit that is going on in the middle east is based on recent event of the last 100 years.
Secondly writing books about something doesn't make things right , i mean that guy tells people that Al-Baghadi has no say in ISIS and that nothing in the middle east is about religion - for the latter ask any moslem from the middle east that question and he will tell you that. Otherwise i would like to know why there are so many conflict between shiits , kurds and sunnis or the other different subsects of Islam.

Ok , tell me this. The guys in ISIS have no problem killing their own leaders - we know this because they have done this a dozent times already. And we are talking about general levels here not some random dude guiding some 2-3 other dudes around.
How do the Amirs manage to hide themself among the others - and let's just take for the moment that the ex iraqi guys are truly not real muslims - without making themself suspicious of being a kuffar , or worse murtadin?
The only way how they can do that is by the saying "when in rome do as the romans do" , namely they have to behave like the people around them and say the right things and act in the right way - again otherwise they will loose their heads pretty fucking quick.
So now tell me this. How do you , or your doctor guy , know if they are acting? I mean was he among them and asked them this? From where does he draw his data from?
Because as far as it stands , unfortunatly for is , ISIS is acting pretty much according the Scriptures , primarily the Hadiths and the life of Abu Bakr , and this gains them a big load of sympathisers and force even the Saudis to once again support AQ.
Besides that. What is their endgoal then? As far as it stands ISIS does a pretty good job in radicalising people and making them Salafists themself , if this would continue -
Or better yet fuck it. Let's say ISIS manages to conquere the middle east. What then?
Then the Baat people , who aren't muslims , are completly surrounded by religouse zealots , Zealots who would view Al-Baghdadi and not them as the highest instance.
Or in other words , one wrong move from their part and , again , the radicals will tear them to streds.

Btw i would like you to show me any evidance that ISIS employs mercaninaries.

And even if the heads are thinking only about money .
As you said the people under them , for them it is about religion .
So you are infact contradicting your onw point here that nothing down there is about religion - what is it then?

Btw i would like to mention one thing. I have been looking into Islamic scriptures now for some few years , i have listened to the shit the preachers are saying , i have read a shittone of what the ISIS guys are writing on both twitter and on their own Telegraph , i have listened to the , oftenly , bullshit that the western "experts" are saying and i must admit this was the first time i ever heard about Hans Knecht.
Like srsly where does he take his credintials from?
#145 - Partly BS. Dr. Hans Krech, one of the tutors, said Al-Baghdadi…  [+] (3 replies) 09/07/2016 on veiled irony 0
#149 - raisinbeuponhim (09/07/2016) [-]
Isn't Hans Knecht a historian ? So what does he know?
And well yeah , we know that Abu Bakr runs the show because he is the fucking Caliph - the highest instance in the islamic world. Every faithfull Salafist who believes that he is the caliph and his caliphat is legit will follow his word by the letter because that is what a muslim is supposed to be doing.

Secondly ISIS is run by Ex iraqi politicians?
- No just no . Abu Bakr's Shura councils and therefor some of his amir's are ex-Iraqis Generals - not politicians but generals , that is also why they have been doing so great in a military sense of the way btw , but there are no actualll " politicians " in ISIS.

Wait what? Is ISIS or AQ not interested in a direct interepration of islam?
Because well ISIS is and they are immensly fundamentalist - that is what being a Salafist means. A Salafist believes that Islam has been best practiced by Mohammed , his followers and their children , and sometimes their grand children. And Salafist want to emulate them in every sense of the way - more importantly the first caliphat of Abu Bakr , the best friend of Mohammed.
That is why Al-Baghdadi delcared the Caliphate in the very same mosque where Abu Bakr himself declared the first caliphate and from that conquered the whole of the middle east - a thing we can see one by one from ISIS today.

AQ on the other hand , as ridiculess as it sounds , the moderate Jihadiis. Since they believe that they can bring Islam to the word through in direct means .
For example AQ accepts Shiit fighters , smokers , people who are drinking alcohol and does not enforce tax laws upon rich or highly influencual people , and also isn't as strict with the Shariah as other Salafist extremist.
ISIS on the other hand wipe people who drink , Kill smokers , kill Shiits and they are heavily enforcing tax laws upon everyone - all according to shariah.
Shit the fuckers have a kind off atomic takfiriism where they are declaring everyone who does not commit takfiri upon the murtadin (declaring someone not a muslims and apostahte muslim who needs to be killed ) as murtadins themselfs - and the people who are not doing it aswell. And do not doubt that these people have any hesitation in killing their own leaders if they are deemed not Islamic.

Next thing is . ISIS has no mercinarys period. Nextly , every not already converted Iraqi soldier is killed on the spot. And everybody who thinks that ISIS dislikes foreign soldiers is an idiot. Why? Because half of ISIS consists of Foreign soldiers and these guys are the most zealos of the bunch - hell they are making propaganda that they are getting so many foreign fighters - especialy US and European fighters to showcase that even the western people see them as legit.

All in all everything you have been saying , or better said that Hans Krech person ,looks just like the typical ISIS and Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam talk that we have heard now for more than a decade.
The question i would like to have answered is how people who aren't as religiouse , but educated instead as the many of the western fighters are , can blow themselfs up in a suicide bombing and overall fight in a war they have nothing to gain from.

And yes virtually everything in the middle east is about religion , that is the point. You do not have nationlists down there , you have religionists. That is why there is for example no nation called iraq. Because Iraq in truth are three nations where Sunnis , Kurds and Shiits are living seperate from each other.

And btw , the 30 years war was about religion.

But let me guess. Nothing in the middle east is about religion , nothing in the world was ever about religion and the people down there are killing each other just for the fuck off it.
You know , people like you are the reason why this is shit keeps happening. Why the Islamic reform movements down there are gaining no real track - because why change if the religion isn't at fault?
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#152 - mcegg (09/07/2016) [-]
Yeah, historian... one which has writen over 20 Book about conflicts in the islamic world... historic and recent. Because, you know, todays conflicts have their roots in history, uh?
And our Beloved Admin, glory to his name is the ultimate lifelong President of North Korea. Came with big plans for reforms and modernisation and managed to do... shit. Because the Label isnt neccesarily the same as the content (especialy here at FJ). Abu my be Caliph of Caliphs, Hieropant of Kingdom come or the fucking Godemporer of Mankind, if he hold no true power, as Dr. Krech mentioned, he is a sockpuppet, a figurehead. And if he wants to prove otherwise, he will get killed, because the people of power, the former Baath members, are the same that house him, clothe him, guard him and give ´good advices´. Thats no fucking Rocket Science.

Okay, to the other things: There is so much BS I don´t have the nerve to mention everything. I say IS is using mercernaries. You say they don´t. I say the heads think about money, the masses are concerned with religion. You say EVERYTHING in middle east is about religion. Okay, belive what you want. I think that i do know better now.

Oh, an the IS started as... never mind. Just sayin´ that IS and Islamic Terror and fundamentalism all spawned out of the same Hellhole. But the IS is becoming something other than many see him. Worse.
#169 - raisinbeuponhim (09/08/2016) [-]
The shit that is going on in the middle east is based on recent event of the last 100 years.
Secondly writing books about something doesn't make things right , i mean that guy tells people that Al-Baghadi has no say in ISIS and that nothing in the middle east is about religion - for the latter ask any moslem from the middle east that question and he will tell you that. Otherwise i would like to know why there are so many conflict between shiits , kurds and sunnis or the other different subsects of Islam.

Ok , tell me this. The guys in ISIS have no problem killing their own leaders - we know this because they have done this a dozent times already. And we are talking about general levels here not some random dude guiding some 2-3 other dudes around.
How do the Amirs manage to hide themself among the others - and let's just take for the moment that the ex iraqi guys are truly not real muslims - without making themself suspicious of being a kuffar , or worse murtadin?
The only way how they can do that is by the saying "when in rome do as the romans do" , namely they have to behave like the people around them and say the right things and act in the right way - again otherwise they will loose their heads pretty fucking quick.
So now tell me this. How do you , or your doctor guy , know if they are acting? I mean was he among them and asked them this? From where does he draw his data from?
Because as far as it stands , unfortunatly for is , ISIS is acting pretty much according the Scriptures , primarily the Hadiths and the life of Abu Bakr , and this gains them a big load of sympathisers and force even the Saudis to once again support AQ.
Besides that. What is their endgoal then? As far as it stands ISIS does a pretty good job in radicalising people and making them Salafists themself , if this would continue -
Or better yet fuck it. Let's say ISIS manages to conquere the middle east. What then?
Then the Baat people , who aren't muslims , are completly surrounded by religouse zealots , Zealots who would view Al-Baghdadi and not them as the highest instance.
Or in other words , one wrong move from their part and , again , the radicals will tear them to streds.

Btw i would like you to show me any evidance that ISIS employs mercaninaries.

And even if the heads are thinking only about money .
As you said the people under them , for them it is about religion .
So you are infact contradicting your onw point here that nothing down there is about religion - what is it then?

Btw i would like to mention one thing. I have been looking into Islamic scriptures now for some few years , i have listened to the shit the preachers are saying , i have read a shittone of what the ISIS guys are writing on both twitter and on their own Telegraph , i have listened to the , oftenly , bullshit that the western "experts" are saying and i must admit this was the first time i ever heard about Hans Knecht.
Like srsly where does he take his credintials from?
#31 - I had political education last week just about IS in Iraq with…  [+] (9 replies) 09/06/2016 on veiled irony +17
#124 - anon (09/07/2016) [-]
It's always run by the well educated who manipulate the stupid
#74 - raisinbeuponhim (09/06/2016) [-]
Partly true. Abu Bakr is the supreme leader - king and pope in one person .- At least he believes that.
Some guys of his Shura council are ex Iraqi generals yes - not the majority but they are.
Now this is the question here . It could actually be that they are not true muslims but this begs the question what their modus operandi is and where they got their massiv steel balls from , because they ISIS fighters are complete and utter zealots.
This means if the ISIS fighters themself would be suspecting that the Amirs are not true muslims they would be killed virtually instantly. - in short they are playing a extremly dangerous game.

But the next thing is. The way you are putting it makes it seem as if Sadam and his baath people weren't muslims at all - which is completly wrong.
It is true that for the most time Sadam himself was not all to religous - but for the last few years he became extremly fanatical in his believes and his tries to repent himself.
This can be nicely seen is his faith campaigns that created a litteral fucton of Salafist in Iraw where there where before orthodox or suffi muslims.
More importantly his people where , of course not everyone , also religouse , some more some less.

ISIS is run by nazis. Srsly stop that nazi bullshit if none here has any fucking idea what a nazi is.
IS ,or the fucking Sadam baath people for what matters , are truly nationalistic , in fact in the middle east only Turks , Egyptians and Lebanees could truly be considered having any form of nationalism. Not even Baath people where nationlistic , they wanted power for either themself or the other sunni moslems against the Shiits or Kurds and some even had other agenda,
Overall in the arabic region there are no true nationalist only religiounists ,
and Socialist are none of them.
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#145 - mcegg (09/07/2016) [-]
Partly BS. Dr. Hans Krech, one of the tutors, said Al-Baghdadi is just a representative with little to no actual power. And the IS is run by ex-Iraq politicians and high brass. thats one of the reasons Al-Quaida still has no bounds to the IS, because they are not really interrested in the fundamental interpretation of islam or a real Caliphat in the name of the prophet - that is for the foreign zealots fighting and dying for the IS. And the iraq leaders dont like them onebit, because they are unreliable and badly trained, instead prefering middle East mercenaries, often ex iraq soldiers that already served under them.
And they are, by hearth, not the zealot islam fundamentalists the Caliphat claims to be. The Baath-Party was national (how the fuck do you think iraq couldnt be nationalists? if you want to belive, you can pull out a noble heritage from literal anywhere), it was socialist and it was secular. Sadams "redemption" was an effort to unite the increasingly powerful fundamentalists behind him. If not toppeld by the US, this would have most likely led to his demise.
The Baath People just want power for themself - thanks captain obvious. That, of course, make them totally diffrent from Nazis. And if you think the middle east is all about religion you are just ignorant.
The middle east is a little like the 30-jears War in europe. Official its all about religion (catholics vs. evangelists)but behind the scenes its all power and money. And, for Kurds and jesides and the little man its just survival.
#149 - raisinbeuponhim (09/07/2016) [-]
Isn't Hans Knecht a historian ? So what does he know?
And well yeah , we know that Abu Bakr runs the show because he is the fucking Caliph - the highest instance in the islamic world. Every faithfull Salafist who believes that he is the caliph and his caliphat is legit will follow his word by the letter because that is what a muslim is supposed to be doing.

Secondly ISIS is run by Ex iraqi politicians?
- No just no . Abu Bakr's Shura councils and therefor some of his amir's are ex-Iraqis Generals - not politicians but generals , that is also why they have been doing so great in a military sense of the way btw , but there are no actualll " politicians " in ISIS.

Wait what? Is ISIS or AQ not interested in a direct interepration of islam?
Because well ISIS is and they are immensly fundamentalist - that is what being a Salafist means. A Salafist believes that Islam has been best practiced by Mohammed , his followers and their children , and sometimes their grand children. And Salafist want to emulate them in every sense of the way - more importantly the first caliphat of Abu Bakr , the best friend of Mohammed.
That is why Al-Baghdadi delcared the Caliphate in the very same mosque where Abu Bakr himself declared the first caliphate and from that conquered the whole of the middle east - a thing we can see one by one from ISIS today.

AQ on the other hand , as ridiculess as it sounds , the moderate Jihadiis. Since they believe that they can bring Islam to the word through in direct means .
For example AQ accepts Shiit fighters , smokers , people who are drinking alcohol and does not enforce tax laws upon rich or highly influencual people , and also isn't as strict with the Shariah as other Salafist extremist.
ISIS on the other hand wipe people who drink , Kill smokers , kill Shiits and they are heavily enforcing tax laws upon everyone - all according to shariah.
Shit the fuckers have a kind off atomic takfiriism where they are declaring everyone who does not commit takfiri upon the murtadin (declaring someone not a muslims and apostahte muslim who needs to be killed ) as murtadins themselfs - and the people who are not doing it aswell. And do not doubt that these people have any hesitation in killing their own leaders if they are deemed not Islamic.

Next thing is . ISIS has no mercinarys period. Nextly , every not already converted Iraqi soldier is killed on the spot. And everybody who thinks that ISIS dislikes foreign soldiers is an idiot. Why? Because half of ISIS consists of Foreign soldiers and these guys are the most zealos of the bunch - hell they are making propaganda that they are getting so many foreign fighters - especialy US and European fighters to showcase that even the western people see them as legit.

All in all everything you have been saying , or better said that Hans Krech person ,looks just like the typical ISIS and Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam talk that we have heard now for more than a decade.
The question i would like to have answered is how people who aren't as religiouse , but educated instead as the many of the western fighters are , can blow themselfs up in a suicide bombing and overall fight in a war they have nothing to gain from.

And yes virtually everything in the middle east is about religion , that is the point. You do not have nationlists down there , you have religionists. That is why there is for example no nation called iraq. Because Iraq in truth are three nations where Sunnis , Kurds and Shiits are living seperate from each other.

And btw , the 30 years war was about religion.

But let me guess. Nothing in the middle east is about religion , nothing in the world was ever about religion and the people down there are killing each other just for the fuck off it.
You know , people like you are the reason why this is shit keeps happening. Why the Islamic reform movements down there are gaining no real track - because why change if the religion isn't at fault?
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#152 - mcegg (09/07/2016) [-]
Yeah, historian... one which has writen over 20 Book about conflicts in the islamic world... historic and recent. Because, you know, todays conflicts have their roots in history, uh?
And our Beloved Admin, glory to his name is the ultimate lifelong President of North Korea. Came with big plans for reforms and modernisation and managed to do... shit. Because the Label isnt neccesarily the same as the content (especialy here at FJ). Abu my be Caliph of Caliphs, Hieropant of Kingdom come or the fucking Godemporer of Mankind, if he hold no true power, as Dr. Krech mentioned, he is a sockpuppet, a figurehead. And if he wants to prove otherwise, he will get killed, because the people of power, the former Baath members, are the same that house him, clothe him, guard him and give ´good advices´. Thats no fucking Rocket Science.

Okay, to the other things: There is so much BS I don´t have the nerve to mention everything. I say IS is using mercernaries. You say they don´t. I say the heads think about money, the masses are concerned with religion. You say EVERYTHING in middle east is about religion. Okay, belive what you want. I think that i do know better now.

Oh, an the IS started as... never mind. Just sayin´ that IS and Islamic Terror and fundamentalism all spawned out of the same Hellhole. But the IS is becoming something other than many see him. Worse.
#169 - raisinbeuponhim (09/08/2016) [-]
The shit that is going on in the middle east is based on recent event of the last 100 years.
Secondly writing books about something doesn't make things right , i mean that guy tells people that Al-Baghadi has no say in ISIS and that nothing in the middle east is about religion - for the latter ask any moslem from the middle east that question and he will tell you that. Otherwise i would like to know why there are so many conflict between shiits , kurds and sunnis or the other different subsects of Islam.

Ok , tell me this. The guys in ISIS have no problem killing their own leaders - we know this because they have done this a dozent times already. And we are talking about general levels here not some random dude guiding some 2-3 other dudes around.
How do the Amirs manage to hide themself among the others - and let's just take for the moment that the ex iraqi guys are truly not real muslims - without making themself suspicious of being a kuffar , or worse murtadin?
The only way how they can do that is by the saying "when in rome do as the romans do" , namely they have to behave like the people around them and say the right things and act in the right way - again otherwise they will loose their heads pretty fucking quick.
So now tell me this. How do you , or your doctor guy , know if they are acting? I mean was he among them and asked them this? From where does he draw his data from?
Because as far as it stands , unfortunatly for is , ISIS is acting pretty much according the Scriptures , primarily the Hadiths and the life of Abu Bakr , and this gains them a big load of sympathisers and force even the Saudis to once again support AQ.
Besides that. What is their endgoal then? As far as it stands ISIS does a pretty good job in radicalising people and making them Salafists themself , if this would continue -
Or better yet fuck it. Let's say ISIS manages to conquere the middle east. What then?
Then the Baat people , who aren't muslims , are completly surrounded by religouse zealots , Zealots who would view Al-Baghdadi and not them as the highest instance.
Or in other words , one wrong move from their part and , again , the radicals will tear them to streds.

Btw i would like you to show me any evidance that ISIS employs mercaninaries.

And even if the heads are thinking only about money .
As you said the people under them , for them it is about religion .
So you are infact contradicting your onw point here that nothing down there is about religion - what is it then?

Btw i would like to mention one thing. I have been looking into Islamic scriptures now for some few years , i have listened to the shit the preachers are saying , i have read a shittone of what the ISIS guys are writing on both twitter and on their own Telegraph , i have listened to the , oftenly , bullshit that the western "experts" are saying and i must admit this was the first time i ever heard about Hans Knecht.
Like srsly where does he take his credintials from?
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#62 - praemium (09/06/2016) [-]
We've known that since the so-called "Iraqi insurgence" during the war. But people kept blaming the coalition instead.
#104 - anon (09/07/2016) [-]
ISIS Leader ‘Al-Baghdadi’ Is A ‘Jewish Mossad Agent’ – French Report
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=126730
By wmw_admin on December 27, 2015

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called ”Caliph,” the head of ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant is, according to sources reputed to originate from Edward Snowden, an actor named Elliot Shimon, a Mossad trained operative.
In French

Simon Elliot (Elliot Shimon) aka Al-Baghdadi was born of two Jewish parents and is a Mossad agent.

We offer below three translations that want to assert that the Caliph Al-Baghdadi is a full Mossad agent and that he was born Jewish father and mother:

The real name of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is “Simon Elliott.”

The so-called “Elliot” was recruited by the Israeli Mossad and was trained in espionage and psychological warfare against Arab and Islamic societies.

This information was attributed to Edward Snowden and published by newspapers and other Web sites: the head of the “Islamic State” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has cooperated with the U.S. Secret Service, British and Israel to create an organization capable of attracting terrorist extremists from around the world.

Iranian intelligence discovered the true and full identity of the Emir Daash, which is known under the name Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi; his real name is Elliot Shimon. Its role in Mossad secret agent in the Zionist espionage. His false name: Ibrahim ibn Awad ibn Ibrahim Al Al Badri Arradoui Hoseini.

The plan: get into the military and civilian heart of the countries that are declared as a threat to Israel in order to destroy to facilitate thereafter, the takeover by the Zionist state on the entire area of the Middle East in order to establish Greater Israel.

Here are the borders of the Zionist project, the “Greater Israel” or “Eretz Israel” for short.
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#49 - applesdontpee (09/06/2016) [-]
I learned that from house of cards! I didn't know it was real
#7 - Basic physics. The more gunpowder a catridge carrys, the more …  [+] (5 replies) 08/01/2016 on Russian Sting Operation +2
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#10 - imadethistopost (08/02/2016) [-]
the fuck is a sniper cartridge?

also you are buttfucking wrong mate, more gunpowder doesn't mean more force, the barrel length is a much more important factor.

a 120 grain 22. lr out of a standard 18" can't piece a half inch of cast iron.

a 75 grain 44 mag will from 5" barrel.
#14 - anon (08/02/2016) [-]
120 grain .22 LR? WTF are you talking about?
#13 - mikethemerciless (08/02/2016) [-]
Wot, those calibers are vastly different fam
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#8 - enkmaster (08/01/2016) [-]
What i meant is that, as an avid shooter and hunter, a "sniper cartridge" isn't terminology that I've ever heard before. It seems entirely redundant.
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#9 - mcegg (08/01/2016) [-]
Well, then kbvskoolaid is right. It´s a cartridge for a ´snipper´, obviously.
#31 - As an Nonamerican I can only wonder what it must feel to be in…  [+] (1 reply) 07/08/2016 on HILLARY vs FBI SUPERCUT +3
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#34 - mytwocents (07/08/2016) [-]
i guess Clinton will win, because some may see her as the lesser evil andd Trump wont be like much among the "minorities".
of course clinton will fuck up the US. saudi arabia financed a large part of her campaign and they wont have done so just to stump Trump. Clinton will prolly sell a lot of murican asses.
imho, the arrogant US assholes kind deserve some time being kicked around, after they kicked around the rest of the world in the past. a period of working in a collapsing textile factory and work conditions similiar to Bangladesh would do good to them. maybe they learn, who knows?

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