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#91 - angelious (04/03/2016) [-]
because you think that since he beats VASTLY WEAKER opponents with one punch, he will be able to defeat a VASTLY STRONGER OPPONENT with one punch?
and your reasoning for that is because he was created a joker character?
cant you see the stupidity in that?
its the same as me saying "well batman is the more popular hero,and he was made to be the type of character that goes againts stronger opponents and wins so dc comics wouldnt let him lose a fist fight againts saitama"
can you see the logic here? its stupid.
#107 - croabadrake (04/03/2016) [-]
That's the point though, he's supposed to be stronger than anyone. By quantifying a specific level of strength or power, you defeat the point of him as a character.
If you move him to another universe and consider someone stronger than him there, it's not Saitama you've moved there. As a joke, he's powerful enough to defeat anything or anyone in one punch, literally, no questions asked -- as has been pointed out, and you continue to ignore.
As much as I cringe to make the comparison, Saitama's like a living Chuck Norris joke. He wins, because.
#128 - angelious (04/04/2016) [-]
no it doesnt...the point of him is to be overpowered. and he is. in his own verse. when you compare him to people from other works of fictions. he doesnt stack up well.
and what the author makes the character for has little to do with the skill sets they have. otherwise are you going to claim that every single character that is done with the exact purpose of "being the strongest there is " is strongest there is? that logic is retarded.
#133 - croabadrake (04/04/2016) [-]
Still haven't given up the trolling, eh?
Again, you're straight-up ignoring what we're saying. Saitama is not a "serious" concept, he's a joke. He's less a person or superhero, more a concept personified into a character.
Have Superman fight 'someone stronger than him that will beat him', and he'll lose. Same for Batman, same for anyone else.
#137 - croabadrake (04/04/2016) [-]
Okay, imagine if you had a magic item in some fantasy setting that totally eradicated anything that touched it. It could be a sword, it could be a person, hell it could be a god, so naturally anyone that knows what it is and what it does stays away from it, because it will eradicate them with no question whatsoever, and there's no known way to resist it. The only reason it doesn't destroy the world when it rests on the ground, or the air it's touching, is because of plot holes or plot excuses just to make it work.
Saitama is this object as far as all these universes go. He's a thing with just one rule: don't fight him, or he will beat you (don't touch it, or you will be erased from existence). He's a thing that doesn't make sense, and was written with this in mind, which is why I say he's more like a concept than a person.
He's "I can beat you", not Saitama. He comes from a light-hearted universe built on comedy, which is why he's allowed to have this one overpowered rule about himself. If you put him in another universe and 'de-power' him to not have the rule, then you've essentially erased the fact that you've brought the One Punch Man to a different universe, since now he's just a guy named Saitama.
Take Superman to another universe, but take away virtually all of his superpowers. He loses to some three-times-the-size-of-him street thug, because he doesn't have his powers. "I can beat you" is Saitama's power, which is why any attempt to take him out of his world and put him up against 'serious' figures like Superman turns into a farce.
#144 - angelious (04/04/2016) [-]
attacking a supposed fallacy rather than adressing the point. not classy. but i suppose i should expect that from you by now
and? he isnt a serious concept but he has quantifiable feats. that makes him,like it says on the tin; quantifiable. he can be ranked, he can be placed on a ladder. he can be beat.
if he was something like pre rektgon beyonder,ca superman or valiant solar man of the atom, who are truly and utterly unquantifiable, then i would argue that you cant place them together since there cant be an answer.
but as it happens. saitama is just another flying brick. he has physical prowess and thats it. not even a huge physical prowess at that in the large scale of things. its enough to destroy the opponents in his world, who also are only continent level at best. but its not enough to beat someone who quite literally can reignite stars with his eyes.
what next, are you going to start arguing about power levels?
and the only reason im continuing this is because i am hoping that you arent as retarded as you claim to be and that there is atleast a little hope for you.
#142 - angelious (04/04/2016) [-]
yes it is. its the same power set,same skill set,same personality.
only thing that is removed are things that would stop the judgement from being fair.
aka stupidity like the writer not allowing their character to be defeated even when he is placed againts someone vastly superior.
or fans like you crying that their favourite hero isnt the strongest kid in the block.
the only joke here is your inability to understand a simple what if question.
and maybe that duping you got going on. but i dont judge.
#143 - croabadrake (04/04/2016) [-]
Attacking the arguer, not the argument, classy. Not sure what you mean by duping though
What you're describing is a joke without the punchline. He's not a serious concept, he's 'stronger than you' and you refuse to accept that. By this point you're just keeping the argument going for sake of arguing and wasting time, and I feel like we have enough purple lines on the left to justify that a full conversation has happened.
Believe what you will, I'm done trying to convince you. We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend.
#140 - angelious (04/04/2016) [-]
my reasoning is taking two respective characters, with all their skills and powers intact, and pit them againts each other.
no writers bias. no fan bias(something you are full of) no retarded " he was created to be like this so he is like this" claims
just two characters, all of their abilities. and see who is stronger.
now, we have a guy who by hype. is MAYBE capable of destroying a planet, and moving faster than light.barely. that is if you wank saitama to a godly level considering his best showing ("serious punch") was at continental level destruction.
then we have a guy whose punches hold more power than a supernova, and who can move at best around quadrillion times the speed of light.
i would have fathomed that even the most retarded person on the planet would know the answer on who would win this fight. but then you lot showed up.
#141 - croabadrake (04/04/2016) [-]
Take out the Writer's Bias and Fan's Bias, and it's no longer One Punch Man. That's why he's not serious, that's why he's the joke. The fight you're describing, is a joke because you're putting him up against the One Punch Man in an attempt at a serious situation. It becomes a meta-joke.
#138 - angelious (04/04/2016) [-]
except saitama doesnt HAVE THAT.
saitama is just strong. physically. strong.
he doesnt have reality warping, he doesnt have magical items that boost his strength.
he is just. physically strong. he comes from a "light hearted universe built on comedy" where he is just so overbearingly PHYSICALLY stronger than everybody else he has met.
but guess what. nobody saitama has met,nothing saitama has done. comes even close to compare to some of the REAL heavy hitters in fiction.
your entire argument is basically "i decided that saitama, despite never showcasing any supernatural ability outside of physical prowess, has reality warping powers, despite the manga showcasing that all his powers are mundane based. because he is from a comedy"
do you also think squirrel girl is invincible? or brit?monica from monicas gang? lucky luke? or just about every character in fiction that are made out to be "invincible" in their own universe?
your whole reasoning is just stupidity given physical form.
#139 - croabadrake (04/04/2016) [-]
And your whole reasoning is built on taking a joke character seriously. It's not that he has the power, I didn't mean that literally as you seem to have taken it. It's like an unspoken rule because, again, that's the point of him. He's overwhelmingly physically powerful as an excuse for the point of his character.