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#142161 - This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potentia…  [+] (8 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#119785 - I guess that depends on your definition of degenerate.  [+] (1 new reply) 06/18/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#119786 - alimais (06/18/2016) [-]
References to the old romans
#142159 - Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even rea…  [+] (10 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#142155 - I wouldn't call them sadistic.  [+] (12 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142156 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Malaria, AIDS, war, cancer, parasites, famine, rape. All of which were done at the whim of such a being...
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#142159 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even realize that we are self aware, if that's even the case? To them we could be nothing more than a character on a screen, how sadistic do we get when playing sim games?
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#119782 - Pussy Riot does this stuff all the time to be controversial, b… 06/18/2016 on Politics - politics news,... +1
#142153 - Well I was speaking generally I'm terms of the overall populat…  [+] (14 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142154 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
I would ask why the fuck they're such sadistic assholes...
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#142155 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
I wouldn't call them sadistic.
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#142156 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Malaria, AIDS, war, cancer, parasites, famine, rape. All of which were done at the whim of such a being...
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#142159 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even realize that we are self aware, if that's even the case? To them we could be nothing more than a character on a screen, how sadistic do we get when playing sim games?
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#142151 - People deny facts all the time. Studies have even shown that w…  [+] (16 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142152 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I ain't no people.
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#142153 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I was speaking generally I'm terms of the overall population, not you specifically.

Personally I would think it was super neat.
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#142154 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
I would ask why the fuck they're such sadistic assholes...
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#142155 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
I wouldn't call them sadistic.
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#142156 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Malaria, AIDS, war, cancer, parasites, famine, rape. All of which were done at the whim of such a being...
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#142159 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even realize that we are self aware, if that's even the case? To them we could be nothing more than a character on a screen, how sadistic do we get when playing sim games?
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#142149 - There's a difference between being presented with factual info…  [+] (18 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142150 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Not really, denying fact only really happens when it comes into conflict with belief.
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#142151 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
People deny facts all the time. Studies have even shown that when presented with facts that go against their own opinions they usually become even MORE set in their opinions.

It's called the Backfire effect, and the more deeply the person believes it the worse the effect is. So you think that someone who has their entire reality questioned would simply accept it and shrug it off? I don't think so.
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#142152 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I ain't no people.
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#142153 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I was speaking generally I'm terms of the overall population, not you specifically.

Personally I would think it was super neat.
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#142154 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
I would ask why the fuck they're such sadistic assholes...
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#142155 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
I wouldn't call them sadistic.
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#142156 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Malaria, AIDS, war, cancer, parasites, famine, rape. All of which were done at the whim of such a being...
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#142159 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even realize that we are self aware, if that's even the case? To them we could be nothing more than a character on a screen, how sadistic do we get when playing sim games?
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
#142145 - Would you ever believe that we were inhabiting some sort of co…  [+] (35 new replies) 06/18/2016 on Religion Board 0
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#142232 - doordude (06/19/2016) [-]
I've thought about it before and if something crazy happened that defied my understanding of reality (like every other human being disappearing in an instant) my first assumption would be that my senses either were or currently are being manipulated, with no logical way of being able to tell for sure which reality, either before or after everyone disappeared (if any) is real. Of course it's always possible that the universe just works that way and I might just be ignorant of the mechanics, but my first guess would be that I'm living in either a simulation or that my senses are being altered like in the matrix. I don't make a distinction for the "realness" for artificial intelligence and biological intelligence so assuming I knew I was a computer simulation I wouldn't value my life any less (not that I value it that much anyways). If anyone is trying to use our understanding of this universes law of physics as a way to determine if a simulated world is possible, it's important to also recognize that the world "above reality" simulating our world may have completely different physics.
#142231 - sixmillionjuice (06/19/2016) [-]
If we're being simulated then we must be in a computer. Now assuming the computer is not the mind of God the computer must exist inside of a universe, and that universe must have been created by an all powerful, and all knowing being just like our universe would have if it was not in a simulation.
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#142269 - marinepenguin (06/19/2016) [-]
That is a lot of assumptions
#142273 - sixmillionjuice (06/19/2016) [-]
Not really. It's only one assumption.
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#142222 - dehumanizer (06/19/2016) [-]
Litteraly no reason to not go full GTA.
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#142187 - zlane (06/18/2016) [-]
i am open to the idea. some people interpret quantum events as evidence for a virtual world. quantum entanglement, for instance, would make perfect sense in a virtual reality since all points would be equidistant with respect to their simulation. but rather than computer simulation you could look at this as evidence for reality being made of a mental substance; everything could exist as a part of God's mind, which is a very interesting idea.
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#142184 - whitechino (06/18/2016) [-]
They're certain clues in religion and the universe that points to that.
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#142172 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
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I don't think you know what an infinite number is.
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#142175 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
But so far we've calculated pi to like the 5 trillionth decimal. The problem with that idea is that you could say that the end of Pi is just beyond what we've calculated, no matter how powerful our ability to store and calculate these numbers get. Plus that wouldn't garuntee the theory is incorrect.
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#142176 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
That's just it; there is no end of pi. If we were to encounter one that would prove we weren't in a real universe.
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#142177 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
I doubt we would, assuming the beings are constantly ahead of us in terms of tech and they are "updating" our Universe so to speak.

But if we were to find the end of Pi, that would be quite the addition to that idea.
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#142178 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well if we're in a simulation with that level of complexity what does it matter anyway?
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#142180 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
It would matter because we aren't real in a sense. People would feel as though we were less human, for some it would be an absolute existential crisis. What's our meaning if we're simply some alien beings plaything?

I think it would be interesting, because it kind of combines religion with our scientific understandings.
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#142173 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
No I think we're confusing each other meanings. I'm saying a computer can do calculations using infinity. I think youre saying that a computer can't render a number with an infinite string of numbers, which would be true. I was just misunderstanding what you're saying.
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#142174 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well yeah it can use the number, but that's not the same as knowing what the number is.
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#142148 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
>If there was ever some sort of concrete proof
Well yes that is how the thing do.
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#142149 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
There's a difference between being presented with factual information and accepting it.

This would especially be true with factual evidence that pointed towards our existence being nothing more than some alien game of "The Sims".
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#142150 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Not really, denying fact only really happens when it comes into conflict with belief.
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#142151 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
People deny facts all the time. Studies have even shown that when presented with facts that go against their own opinions they usually become even MORE set in their opinions.

It's called the Backfire effect, and the more deeply the person believes it the worse the effect is. So you think that someone who has their entire reality questioned would simply accept it and shrug it off? I don't think so.
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#142152 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I ain't no people.
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#142153 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Well I was speaking generally I'm terms of the overall population, not you specifically.

Personally I would think it was super neat.
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#142154 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
I would ask why the fuck they're such sadistic assholes...
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#142155 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
I wouldn't call them sadistic.
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#142156 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Malaria, AIDS, war, cancer, parasites, famine, rape. All of which were done at the whim of such a being...
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#142159 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Would they see us as actual beings though? Would they even realize that we are self aware, if that's even the case? To them we could be nothing more than a character on a screen, how sadistic do we get when playing sim games?
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#142160 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
How should I know it's your hypothetical scenario!
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#142161 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
This isn't a situation I just made up. It's an actual potential theory.

You just have to be able to have basic analytical and deductive skills to look into the possibilities deeper.
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#142162 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Well there would be many ways to test this, such as finding an end to an infinite string like pi.
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#142163 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Why would infinity be unable to exist in a simulated environment?
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#142165 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Because data storage is finite. Computing an infinite series is impossible by definition.
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#142166 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
While it's true that you can't store an infinite amount of data, you can compute a number that has an infinite set of numbers contained within it.

Equations involving infinite numbers are actually fairly common, especially when involving calculus.
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#142168 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Indeed, but if one were to try and calculate the value of one such number they would fall short inside a simulation, because a simulation is limited by the programmer, and the information they put in. Of course no one can know all the digits of pi, so a programmer would have to simplify and only enter a finite string, which we could then discover.
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#142169 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
You're implying that the programmer would have to know all the digits of pi, which isn't true.
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#142170 - platinumaltaria (06/18/2016) [-]
Yes it is, that's how infinite numbers work.
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#142171 - marinepenguin (06/18/2016) [-]
Computers have no problem calculating an infinite string of numbers..
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