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#67 - *has  [+] (4 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed +2
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#79 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Has? Or are in service? I don't remember the exact number I heard when I was serving, but the air force has been dying off for a while now. Some are even considering assimilating it back into the army.
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#85 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's 2014 numbers, but I doubt there's been a 1500 aircraft swing in 2 years.

And that's the first I've heard of it.
#466 - terminalinfinity (12/02/2016) [-]
To be fair though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the USN had more aircraft. The Air Force wasn't really created to be the air wing at all. It was created to solve the dispute between the Navy and Army (Who operated the Air Force at the time) over who should have the Nuclear Weapons. If Nukes didn't come along, the Army, Navy and Marines would probably still have their own Air branches and therefore no need for any separate air force.
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#533 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
No it wouldn't, but he was just wrong so I called him out on it.

If I were to stay in for the full 20 I wouldn't be surprised if the AF was combined with another branch again, like the Navy possibly.

I know that eventually as we begin to have military capabilities in space, the Navy will most likely take over there instead of the USAF.
#66 - USAF has over 5500 aircraft. USN as under 4000.  [+] (23 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed +35
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#439 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Couldn't respond to the last one because there were too many, so I'm responding here.

Also, your text color is fucking horrible.

But yeah, dry heat but it's like 120 out. People who say they'd rather have 120 degrees and 0 humidity than 90 degrees and high humidity are fucking liars.
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#441 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I made it this way on purpose. I hope you feel inconvenienced.

I am personally one of those people. Only place I've been that was actually worse in terms of humidity was Camp Bullis north of San Antonio after a week of heavy rain.
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#445 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I have to highlight everything you say just to read it you asshole.

My parents live in San Antonio and I'd definitely rather live there. I went to basic in August, so I got the full brunt of the heat and humidity. Visited my parents there in June so I got it again. I'd rather take that any day. No matter which way you slice it, 120 degrees is just brutal.
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#459 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You went to basic last August?
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#619 - fadetometallica (12/03/2016) [-]
Nah, back in 2012
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#405 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Don't pay him much attention. I'm F-35 avionics (used to be A-10 avionics) in the Air Force. Navy aircraft maintainers have to wear helmets because they're all retards.
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#407 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You get to work on the new toys? Lucky you.

We only have the old KC130 refuelers out where I am.

I still hate all you maintainers though.
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#410 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Lemme guess, you're SecFo?
Everybody hates maintainers. We all hate each other. Hell, we all hate ourselves. And trust me, be happy you don't have fighters. We just have 35s and 16s here at Luke and they're loud as fuck. And I'd go work heavies any day. They break a hell of a lot less, especially for avionics. 35s are pretty cool though.
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#411 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yup, I chose it though unlike a lot of guys and I enjoy it.

I just hate you guys cuz you'll purposefully cross red lines all the time just to spite us, or not have your badges in the right places.
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#415 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I've thought about getting out and becoming a cop. Civilian cops make more than most people realize. I just fucking hate airplanes man.

Damn, not at a fighter base. I can't believe people actually do that shit. Dunno about heavies bases, but at a fighter base your ass gets tackled and arrested for breaking red.
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#421 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
And I can also confirm that civi cops do, in fact, make some serious bucks. Especially if your a single guy willing to do some overtime.
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#420 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Our base is extremely slow in terms of issues, even though we have 2 major MAJCOMs and an Intel HQ, so it's a lot more relaxed I guess.

I've heard of other bases where our security is insane and the slightest deviation will lead to that kind of stuff, that's usually nuke bases though.
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#424 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
You at MacDill?

I dunno, both bases I've been to they've been super strict about it. Last base was an A-10 base so we didn't even have 35s for them to ramp up security for or anything.
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#426 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm at Scott. Middle of nowhere, Illinois.
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#429 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, yeah. Good ol' Scott. I lived there before I shipped to basic (dad was AF too). I fucking hated it there. Went to Mascoutah High, it was horrible. Still have a lot of friends there. Tell you what though, I miss at least seeing green. I've been in Arizona for about four years now, it's all just brown.
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#433 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Really? I'm actually originally from the area, only about an hour or so north of Scott. I'm living in Belleville right now.

You at Luke?
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#435 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Mascoutah is just garbage. Or at least the school is. My Senior year there was the first year they had students in the new school building. They have nice facilities, I just hated the people. Don't think I would mind being stationed there, though.

Yep, Luke. And I was at Davis-Monthan before, down in Tucson. The Air Force really wants me in Arizona, I guess. It's hot as fuck here, but the winters are really nice (it's 55 degrees outside right now), and there's a lot to do in Phoenix.
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#437 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've only ever been around Flagstaff a couple years ago. I know a couple people that live there though, and I hear it's a dry but brutal heat.
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#67 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
*has
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#79 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Has? Or are in service? I don't remember the exact number I heard when I was serving, but the air force has been dying off for a while now. Some are even considering assimilating it back into the army.
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#85 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's 2014 numbers, but I doubt there's been a 1500 aircraft swing in 2 years.

And that's the first I've heard of it.
#466 - terminalinfinity (12/02/2016) [-]
To be fair though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the USN had more aircraft. The Air Force wasn't really created to be the air wing at all. It was created to solve the dispute between the Navy and Army (Who operated the Air Force at the time) over who should have the Nuclear Weapons. If Nukes didn't come along, the Army, Navy and Marines would probably still have their own Air branches and therefore no need for any separate air force.
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#533 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
No it wouldn't, but he was just wrong so I called him out on it.

If I were to stay in for the full 20 I wouldn't be surprised if the AF was combined with another branch again, like the Navy possibly.

I know that eventually as we begin to have military capabilities in space, the Navy will most likely take over there instead of the USAF.
#57 - That's true, though they did resort to guerrilla tactics quite…  [+] (3 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed 0
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#65 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Well, we tried helping their conventional government and their armies pick up the pieces after we cut down the amount of our troops we put in the sandbox, and that obviously didn't fucking work because when ISIS reared its ugly fucking maw they just turned and fucking ran. That's probably due to their shitty leadership that we tried in vain to fix, but I digress.

And we can't just wipe them all out, then more people will get pissed off and join their cause because we'll be even more demonized by their media....decisions, decisions...
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#70 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
We should have just maintained a semi-permanent presence there like we did in Europe and Japan after WW2.
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#75 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
We did, we just cut down the troops we had there and didn't send out so many presence patrols. Guess they got all uppity and started shooting shit now that not so many guys were out to hunt 'em down.
#55 - Not arguing that. You don't become a full General though "…  [+] (13 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed 0
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#69 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Adrenaline, Rip-Its, and maybe a pinch of luck I'm sure.
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#71 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've heard many a tale about Rip-its. I'll get to experience them next year most likely.
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#72 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Judging from a few of the squad leaders in my company, they will be your lifesource along with the gym and PROTEIN.
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#74 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Army I'm assuming then? And from what I've heard about Saudi Arabia there's not much else to do other than that.
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#76 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Correct, my good sir. And Saudi Arabia is most certainly where you will NOT be going, all things considered. Afganistan seems to be where the action is at for deployments from what I've been hearing through the grapevine.
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#80 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Saudi Arabia was what I was told as of last month. So we'll see.
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#82 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Huh. That's odd...
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#88 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm Air Force though, so we may have a different deployment situation than you guys. I couldn't tell ya, all I can say is what I've been told.
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#93 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, that explains it, I was thinking you were a ground asset. My bad m8.
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#96 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm on the ground, in the circumstances that I guard the airfield lol
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#107 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Touche.
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#98 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Kek, what sort of threats are there in Saudi Arabia? Fucking oil fields?
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#104 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Anywhere US aircraft go, we go. That includes a random airfield in the Indian Ocean where there aren't any people, and places like Greenland.
#45 - There's no doubt we could have taken the island, though only w…  [+] (20 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed 0
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#54 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
But here's the kicker, the Japanese fought using conventional tactics which, by now, we have utterly mastered, that ISIS could not hope to utilize against us.

Conventional as in standard uniforms, military organization, armor, etc.

So ISIS works with what they have, unconventional tactics. The same broad spectrum of tactics that lost us Vietnam. We've had plenty of time to learn and adapt in-between then and now, but the point still stands.
Comparing Japanese soldiers to ISIS 'warriors' is simply illogical, two totally different mindsets when it comes to combat.
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#57 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's true, though they did resort to guerrilla tactics quite often after we'd beaten them back conventionally.

There were both components involved in Vietnam though, with the NVA being a conventional army. The reason we didn't "win" in Vietnam was because we didn't start bombing the NVAs industrial centers and ports until the very end of the war, and when we started doing that a nearly decade long war only took 2 more weeks until they requested peace. We fought in Vietnam with our hands and feet tied together.

The problem with ISIS isn't even beating them, it's what to do after to ensure that if we leave, another group doesn't come in and take their place.
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#65 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Well, we tried helping their conventional government and their armies pick up the pieces after we cut down the amount of our troops we put in the sandbox, and that obviously didn't fucking work because when ISIS reared its ugly fucking maw they just turned and fucking ran. That's probably due to their shitty leadership that we tried in vain to fix, but I digress.

And we can't just wipe them all out, then more people will get pissed off and join their cause because we'll be even more demonized by their media....decisions, decisions...
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#70 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
We should have just maintained a semi-permanent presence there like we did in Europe and Japan after WW2.
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#75 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
We did, we just cut down the troops we had there and didn't send out so many presence patrols. Guess they got all uppity and started shooting shit now that not so many guys were out to hunt 'em down.
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#50 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah that's true. But someone with some sense decided to drop 2 bombs instead.

They don't, I'm just saying that Japan isn't the first nor last of that kind. It takes a little more that blind testosterone for nations as well as military's to survive.
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#55 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Not arguing that. You don't become a full General though "blind testosterone", though it does take nearly so to actually survive a combat zone.
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#69 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Adrenaline, Rip-Its, and maybe a pinch of luck I'm sure.
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#71 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've heard many a tale about Rip-its. I'll get to experience them next year most likely.
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#72 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Judging from a few of the squad leaders in my company, they will be your lifesource along with the gym and PROTEIN.
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#74 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Army I'm assuming then? And from what I've heard about Saudi Arabia there's not much else to do other than that.
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#76 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Correct, my good sir. And Saudi Arabia is most certainly where you will NOT be going, all things considered. Afganistan seems to be where the action is at for deployments from what I've been hearing through the grapevine.
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#80 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Saudi Arabia was what I was told as of last month. So we'll see.
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#82 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Huh. That's odd...
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#88 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm Air Force though, so we may have a different deployment situation than you guys. I couldn't tell ya, all I can say is what I've been told.
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#93 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, that explains it, I was thinking you were a ground asset. My bad m8.
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#96 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm on the ground, in the circumstances that I guard the airfield lol
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#107 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Touche.
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#98 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Kek, what sort of threats are there in Saudi Arabia? Fucking oil fields?
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#104 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Anywhere US aircraft go, we go. That includes a random airfield in the Indian Ocean where there aren't any people, and places like Greenland.
#40 - Well I can tell you that as an MP we've damn well heard of him plenty.  [+] (4 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed +23
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#222 - zombifier (12/02/2016) [-]
As a grunt, I can tell you I am shredding my DD-214 and reenlisting
#91 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Does MP stand for MarinePenguin?
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#94 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yes, everything in my life has been an incredibly well planned series of events that all fit together in an elaborate puzzle.
#95 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I'm sure more than one person will see this crowning achievement of your life. Congratulations, sir. Good job.
#39 - Any other nation would have surrendered by then. They weren't …  [+] (24 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed 0
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#42 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Oh, sitting in a plane. My bad
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#41 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
And we all know that every man woman and child in Japan would have fought to the death, despite how many troops we poured into it. So someone sitting in a bunker and turning a key did what all the troops in america couldn't. I think Isis prescribes to that same zealot idealism...
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#49 - sgtmajjohnson (12/02/2016) [-]
At the time, it was actually guys flying in bombers and manually dropping them. And yeah, the bombs were what prompted Japan to surrender, but only after the war had been long made unwinnable through conventional war. Besides, no one whose sane is going to be using nukes anymore, now that so many countries have them. We dropped the equivalent in tonnage of 20 atomic bombs during one 2-month engagement in Vietnam alone. Did we win in Vietnam? What good did all our bombs do us there?
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#45 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
There's no doubt we could have taken the island, though only with tremendous cost.

ISIS doesn't have nearly the same manpower and I would probably argue they don't even have the fervor. I wouldn't compare a Japanese soldier and their warrior code to that of Islam.
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#54 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
But here's the kicker, the Japanese fought using conventional tactics which, by now, we have utterly mastered, that ISIS could not hope to utilize against us.

Conventional as in standard uniforms, military organization, armor, etc.

So ISIS works with what they have, unconventional tactics. The same broad spectrum of tactics that lost us Vietnam. We've had plenty of time to learn and adapt in-between then and now, but the point still stands.
Comparing Japanese soldiers to ISIS 'warriors' is simply illogical, two totally different mindsets when it comes to combat.
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#57 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's true, though they did resort to guerrilla tactics quite often after we'd beaten them back conventionally.

There were both components involved in Vietnam though, with the NVA being a conventional army. The reason we didn't "win" in Vietnam was because we didn't start bombing the NVAs industrial centers and ports until the very end of the war, and when we started doing that a nearly decade long war only took 2 more weeks until they requested peace. We fought in Vietnam with our hands and feet tied together.

The problem with ISIS isn't even beating them, it's what to do after to ensure that if we leave, another group doesn't come in and take their place.
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#65 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Well, we tried helping their conventional government and their armies pick up the pieces after we cut down the amount of our troops we put in the sandbox, and that obviously didn't fucking work because when ISIS reared its ugly fucking maw they just turned and fucking ran. That's probably due to their shitty leadership that we tried in vain to fix, but I digress.

And we can't just wipe them all out, then more people will get pissed off and join their cause because we'll be even more demonized by their media....decisions, decisions...
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#70 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
We should have just maintained a semi-permanent presence there like we did in Europe and Japan after WW2.
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#75 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
We did, we just cut down the troops we had there and didn't send out so many presence patrols. Guess they got all uppity and started shooting shit now that not so many guys were out to hunt 'em down.
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#50 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah that's true. But someone with some sense decided to drop 2 bombs instead.

They don't, I'm just saying that Japan isn't the first nor last of that kind. It takes a little more that blind testosterone for nations as well as military's to survive.
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#55 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Not arguing that. You don't become a full General though "blind testosterone", though it does take nearly so to actually survive a combat zone.
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#69 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Adrenaline, Rip-Its, and maybe a pinch of luck I'm sure.
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#71 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've heard many a tale about Rip-its. I'll get to experience them next year most likely.
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#72 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Judging from a few of the squad leaders in my company, they will be your lifesource along with the gym and PROTEIN.
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#74 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Army I'm assuming then? And from what I've heard about Saudi Arabia there's not much else to do other than that.
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#76 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Correct, my good sir. And Saudi Arabia is most certainly where you will NOT be going, all things considered. Afganistan seems to be where the action is at for deployments from what I've been hearing through the grapevine.
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#80 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Saudi Arabia was what I was told as of last month. So we'll see.
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#82 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Huh. That's odd...
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#88 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm Air Force though, so we may have a different deployment situation than you guys. I couldn't tell ya, all I can say is what I've been told.
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#93 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, that explains it, I was thinking you were a ground asset. My bad m8.
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#96 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm on the ground, in the circumstances that I guard the airfield lol
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#107 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Touche.
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#98 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Kek, what sort of threats are there in Saudi Arabia? Fucking oil fields?
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#104 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Anywhere US aircraft go, we go. That includes a random airfield in the Indian Ocean where there aren't any people, and places like Greenland.
#36 - What was your job?  [+] (35 replies) 12/02/2016 on War... Has Changed +35
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#37 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Aircraft tech lol
#62 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Well know wonder. You were Chair Force.
#300 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Funny that everyone's mad at him for disparaging ONE serviceman, but it's cool for this asshole to disparage an entire force.
#448 - lunacyexport (12/02/2016) [-]
>one serviceman

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA



Mattis is the Service.
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#345 - toosexyforyou (12/02/2016) [-]
It's just a meme you dip
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#63 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Did you know the US Navy has more aircraft than the entirety of the air force..?
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#66 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
USAF has over 5500 aircraft. USN as under 4000.
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#439 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Couldn't respond to the last one because there were too many, so I'm responding here.

Also, your text color is fucking horrible.

But yeah, dry heat but it's like 120 out. People who say they'd rather have 120 degrees and 0 humidity than 90 degrees and high humidity are fucking liars.
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#441 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I made it this way on purpose. I hope you feel inconvenienced.

I am personally one of those people. Only place I've been that was actually worse in terms of humidity was Camp Bullis north of San Antonio after a week of heavy rain.
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#445 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I have to highlight everything you say just to read it you asshole.

My parents live in San Antonio and I'd definitely rather live there. I went to basic in August, so I got the full brunt of the heat and humidity. Visited my parents there in June so I got it again. I'd rather take that any day. No matter which way you slice it, 120 degrees is just brutal.
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#459 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You went to basic last August?
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#619 - fadetometallica (12/03/2016) [-]
Nah, back in 2012
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#405 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Don't pay him much attention. I'm F-35 avionics (used to be A-10 avionics) in the Air Force. Navy aircraft maintainers have to wear helmets because they're all retards.
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#407 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You get to work on the new toys? Lucky you.

We only have the old KC130 refuelers out where I am.

I still hate all you maintainers though.
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#410 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Lemme guess, you're SecFo?
Everybody hates maintainers. We all hate each other. Hell, we all hate ourselves. And trust me, be happy you don't have fighters. We just have 35s and 16s here at Luke and they're loud as fuck. And I'd go work heavies any day. They break a hell of a lot less, especially for avionics. 35s are pretty cool though.
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#411 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yup, I chose it though unlike a lot of guys and I enjoy it.

I just hate you guys cuz you'll purposefully cross red lines all the time just to spite us, or not have your badges in the right places.
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#415 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I've thought about getting out and becoming a cop. Civilian cops make more than most people realize. I just fucking hate airplanes man.

Damn, not at a fighter base. I can't believe people actually do that shit. Dunno about heavies bases, but at a fighter base your ass gets tackled and arrested for breaking red.
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#421 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
And I can also confirm that civi cops do, in fact, make some serious bucks. Especially if your a single guy willing to do some overtime.
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#420 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Our base is extremely slow in terms of issues, even though we have 2 major MAJCOMs and an Intel HQ, so it's a lot more relaxed I guess.

I've heard of other bases where our security is insane and the slightest deviation will lead to that kind of stuff, that's usually nuke bases though.
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#424 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
You at MacDill?

I dunno, both bases I've been to they've been super strict about it. Last base was an A-10 base so we didn't even have 35s for them to ramp up security for or anything.
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#426 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm at Scott. Middle of nowhere, Illinois.
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#429 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, yeah. Good ol' Scott. I lived there before I shipped to basic (dad was AF too). I fucking hated it there. Went to Mascoutah High, it was horrible. Still have a lot of friends there. Tell you what though, I miss at least seeing green. I've been in Arizona for about four years now, it's all just brown.
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#433 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Really? I'm actually originally from the area, only about an hour or so north of Scott. I'm living in Belleville right now.

You at Luke?
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#435 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Mascoutah is just garbage. Or at least the school is. My Senior year there was the first year they had students in the new school building. They have nice facilities, I just hated the people. Don't think I would mind being stationed there, though.

Yep, Luke. And I was at Davis-Monthan before, down in Tucson. The Air Force really wants me in Arizona, I guess. It's hot as fuck here, but the winters are really nice (it's 55 degrees outside right now), and there's a lot to do in Phoenix.
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#437 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've only ever been around Flagstaff a couple years ago. I know a couple people that live there though, and I hear it's a dry but brutal heat.
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#67 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
*has
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#79 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Has? Or are in service? I don't remember the exact number I heard when I was serving, but the air force has been dying off for a while now. Some are even considering assimilating it back into the army.
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#85 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's 2014 numbers, but I doubt there's been a 1500 aircraft swing in 2 years.

And that's the first I've heard of it.
#466 - terminalinfinity (12/02/2016) [-]
To be fair though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the USN had more aircraft. The Air Force wasn't really created to be the air wing at all. It was created to solve the dispute between the Navy and Army (Who operated the Air Force at the time) over who should have the Nuclear Weapons. If Nukes didn't come along, the Army, Navy and Marines would probably still have their own Air branches and therefore no need for any separate air force.
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#533 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
No it wouldn't, but he was just wrong so I called him out on it.

If I were to stay in for the full 20 I wouldn't be surprised if the AF was combined with another branch again, like the Navy possibly.

I know that eventually as we begin to have military capabilities in space, the Navy will most likely take over there instead of the USAF.
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#40 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I can tell you that as an MP we've damn well heard of him plenty.
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#222 - zombifier (12/02/2016) [-]
As a grunt, I can tell you I am shredding my DD-214 and reenlisting
#91 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Does MP stand for MarinePenguin?
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#94 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yes, everything in my life has been an incredibly well planned series of events that all fit together in an elaborate puzzle.
#95 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I'm sure more than one person will see this crowning achievement of your life. Congratulations, sir. Good job.
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#35 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Come again..?
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#44 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
A mainland invasion of Japan would have cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more lives of both American soldiers and Japanese soldiers/civilians.

The Atomic bombs were a sound choice at the time, but with most countries already armed with nuclear arms plus the restrictions of the SALT and SALT II treaties on nuclear arms, they simply aren't viable in this day and age.

The best we got is precision guided munitions and boots/vehicles on the ground to secure the area.
#604 - anon (12/03/2016) [-]
Most countries are NOT armed with nukes, just the ones that matter and a couple that don't
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#52 - sgtmajjohnson (12/02/2016) [-]
The number you're looking for is "millions." 29 million between all Allied and Japanese civilian and troop losses was considered a reasonable estimate by American officers at the time.

And yeah, you're right. He overestimates the usefulness of pure firepower in modern war.
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#56 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Well you know what they say. Peace through mutually assured destruction. Ever think about where all those world-domination mindsets went after the cold war ended..?
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#59 - sgtmajjohnson (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah, until you get some idiot who's fanatical enough to push the button in power, or some rogue state manages to find one of the many nukes the Soviets just "misplaced."

But either way, we need to win wars WITHOUT genociding whole populations and exposing ourselves to nukes. Our conflicts aren't just with other nuclear-armed powers; in fact, we have never fought a war with another nuclear states, and we've had 5(?) wars since the invention of the bomb.
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#61 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
"until you get some idiot who's fanatical enough to push the button in power" So you do understand my concern for warmongering.

Like I said, peace through mutually assured destruction. But yeah ground troops are a necessity. But just like with nukes, you want the one's with their fingers on the switches to be of VERY sound mind.
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#51 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
This was my comment #50, so I'm just gonna copy paste

Yeah that's true. But someone with some sense decided to drop 2 bombs instead.

They don't, I'm just saying that Japan isn't the first nor last of that kind. It takes a little more that blind testosterone for nations as well as military's to survive.
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#60 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Are you saying Mattis still doesn't have a sound tactical mindset?

He's definitely got more than 'blind testosterone' m8. I know what blind testosterone looks like, you should see some of the meatheads that I gotta work with...yoked mother fuckers, but they can be pretty fuckin' dumb sometimes. Plus, it takes more than just 'blind testosterone' to make it up that high in the ranks, you gotta have a sound fucking head on your shoulders and some brass fucking balls to do what needs to be done.
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#64 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Mmm, from what I've seen from my service... You just gotta know how to work the shaft and cup the balls. Having brass one's yourself doesn't seem to be part of the equation. Though they can help.
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#68 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
And what did you do in your time? Honestly curious.
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#73 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Mostly minded my own business and did my job. Crazy how the world and our military works huh..?
#77 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
I meant your job, I know you know what I meant.
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#90 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
You know what? You seem like the type to pick a fight no matter what I say. So what I did is none of your business?
#97 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Come oooon, tell me~
You know you want to.
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#46 - precision (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah man I guided those munitions, we're good.
#47 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
My nigga.
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#39 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Any other nation would have surrendered by then. They weren't even going to surrender then, until it took the unprecedented involvement of the Emperor to demand the war end. The alternative was an invasion of mainland Japan.
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#42 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Oh, sitting in a plane. My bad
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#41 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
And we all know that every man woman and child in Japan would have fought to the death, despite how many troops we poured into it. So someone sitting in a bunker and turning a key did what all the troops in america couldn't. I think Isis prescribes to that same zealot idealism...
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#49 - sgtmajjohnson (12/02/2016) [-]
At the time, it was actually guys flying in bombers and manually dropping them. And yeah, the bombs were what prompted Japan to surrender, but only after the war had been long made unwinnable through conventional war. Besides, no one whose sane is going to be using nukes anymore, now that so many countries have them. We dropped the equivalent in tonnage of 20 atomic bombs during one 2-month engagement in Vietnam alone. Did we win in Vietnam? What good did all our bombs do us there?
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#45 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
There's no doubt we could have taken the island, though only with tremendous cost.

ISIS doesn't have nearly the same manpower and I would probably argue they don't even have the fervor. I wouldn't compare a Japanese soldier and their warrior code to that of Islam.
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#54 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
But here's the kicker, the Japanese fought using conventional tactics which, by now, we have utterly mastered, that ISIS could not hope to utilize against us.

Conventional as in standard uniforms, military organization, armor, etc.

So ISIS works with what they have, unconventional tactics. The same broad spectrum of tactics that lost us Vietnam. We've had plenty of time to learn and adapt in-between then and now, but the point still stands.
Comparing Japanese soldiers to ISIS 'warriors' is simply illogical, two totally different mindsets when it comes to combat.
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#57 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's true, though they did resort to guerrilla tactics quite often after we'd beaten them back conventionally.

There were both components involved in Vietnam though, with the NVA being a conventional army. The reason we didn't "win" in Vietnam was because we didn't start bombing the NVAs industrial centers and ports until the very end of the war, and when we started doing that a nearly decade long war only took 2 more weeks until they requested peace. We fought in Vietnam with our hands and feet tied together.

The problem with ISIS isn't even beating them, it's what to do after to ensure that if we leave, another group doesn't come in and take their place.
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#65 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Well, we tried helping their conventional government and their armies pick up the pieces after we cut down the amount of our troops we put in the sandbox, and that obviously didn't fucking work because when ISIS reared its ugly fucking maw they just turned and fucking ran. That's probably due to their shitty leadership that we tried in vain to fix, but I digress.

And we can't just wipe them all out, then more people will get pissed off and join their cause because we'll be even more demonized by their media....decisions, decisions...
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#70 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
We should have just maintained a semi-permanent presence there like we did in Europe and Japan after WW2.
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#75 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
We did, we just cut down the troops we had there and didn't send out so many presence patrols. Guess they got all uppity and started shooting shit now that not so many guys were out to hunt 'em down.
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#50 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah that's true. But someone with some sense decided to drop 2 bombs instead.

They don't, I'm just saying that Japan isn't the first nor last of that kind. It takes a little more that blind testosterone for nations as well as military's to survive.
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#55 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Not arguing that. You don't become a full General though "blind testosterone", though it does take nearly so to actually survive a combat zone.
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#69 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Adrenaline, Rip-Its, and maybe a pinch of luck I'm sure.
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#71 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've heard many a tale about Rip-its. I'll get to experience them next year most likely.
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#72 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Judging from a few of the squad leaders in my company, they will be your lifesource along with the gym and PROTEIN.
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#74 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Army I'm assuming then? And from what I've heard about Saudi Arabia there's not much else to do other than that.
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#76 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Correct, my good sir. And Saudi Arabia is most certainly where you will NOT be going, all things considered. Afganistan seems to be where the action is at for deployments from what I've been hearing through the grapevine.
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#80 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Saudi Arabia was what I was told as of last month. So we'll see.
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#82 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Huh. That's odd...
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#88 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm Air Force though, so we may have a different deployment situation than you guys. I couldn't tell ya, all I can say is what I've been told.
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#93 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, that explains it, I was thinking you were a ground asset. My bad m8.
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#96 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm on the ground, in the circumstances that I guard the airfield lol
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#107 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Touche.
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#98 - DaCrazyOne (12/02/2016) [-]
Kek, what sort of threats are there in Saudi Arabia? Fucking oil fields?
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#104 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Anywhere US aircraft go, we go. That includes a random airfield in the Indian Ocean where there aren't any people, and places like Greenland.
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#384 - enlightednatzie (12/02/2016) [-]
And so is kim jong un to the north korean army.
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#532 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
One army is starving and forced to be there, the other is well equipped and entirely full of volunteers.
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#34 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
I've served in the military and only ever heard about him once.
#487 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Thank you for your service.
Not sarcastically.
If you served and are not a disgrace, thank you.
I do find it odd that you have not heard of Mattis more than once.
His reputation demands more respect that most presidents in recent history.
#506 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah idk man. I mean in the military they blow everything up for publicity anyway. You could trip on a rock and they'd make it out that you saved an entire platune from 50 landmines by finding and digging one up
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#182 - angelious (12/02/2016) [-]
mate i only served a week in finnish military and even i know exactly who this guy is.
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#507 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I'm sure you guys know about everybody in the american army. We must all look like the guys from the movie 300 to you.
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#510 - angelious (12/02/2016) [-]
no not really..i got respect for the marines. but other than that i hold my own culture and people in higher regard than you lot.


stop being salty.
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#511 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
I hold my own culture and people in higher regard than you, except for the marines. Lol k
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#513 - angelious (12/02/2016) [-]
thats not what i said :/


but whatever makes you feel slightly better about yourself for not knowing a shit about your own culture i suppose?
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#516 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
That's exactly what you said. Your mastery of the english language isn't making me feel any more like you aren't a fuckboi

Mattis is just some jackass in the military, which I served in. They pump him up now for publicity, but nobody will remember him 50 years from now unlike Patton.
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#193 - aldothenazi (12/02/2016) [-]
I serve in the weakest of armies, FJ-army and even I know who he is.
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#508 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
See comment 507
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#515 - aldothenazi (12/02/2016) [-]
Could've linked it though.
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#517 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Could've. Didn't.
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#518 - aldothenazi (12/02/2016) [-]
Why you promoting your own comment to me though?
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#519 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Why you promoting your own comment to me though?
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#520 - aldothenazi (12/02/2016) [-]
r u memeing me?
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#523 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
No
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#525 - aldothenazi (12/02/2016) [-]
No
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#36 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
What was your job?
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#37 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Aircraft tech lol
#62 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Well know wonder. You were Chair Force.
#300 - anon (12/02/2016) [-]
Funny that everyone's mad at him for disparaging ONE serviceman, but it's cool for this asshole to disparage an entire force.
#448 - lunacyexport (12/02/2016) [-]
>one serviceman

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

gasp


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA



Mattis is the Service.
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#345 - toosexyforyou (12/02/2016) [-]
It's just a meme you dip
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#63 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Did you know the US Navy has more aircraft than the entirety of the air force..?
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#66 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
USAF has over 5500 aircraft. USN as under 4000.
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#439 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Couldn't respond to the last one because there were too many, so I'm responding here.

Also, your text color is fucking horrible.

But yeah, dry heat but it's like 120 out. People who say they'd rather have 120 degrees and 0 humidity than 90 degrees and high humidity are fucking liars.
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#441 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I made it this way on purpose. I hope you feel inconvenienced.

I am personally one of those people. Only place I've been that was actually worse in terms of humidity was Camp Bullis north of San Antonio after a week of heavy rain.
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#445 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I have to highlight everything you say just to read it you asshole.

My parents live in San Antonio and I'd definitely rather live there. I went to basic in August, so I got the full brunt of the heat and humidity. Visited my parents there in June so I got it again. I'd rather take that any day. No matter which way you slice it, 120 degrees is just brutal.
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#459 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You went to basic last August?
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#619 - fadetometallica (12/03/2016) [-]
Nah, back in 2012
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#405 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Don't pay him much attention. I'm F-35 avionics (used to be A-10 avionics) in the Air Force. Navy aircraft maintainers have to wear helmets because they're all retards.
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#407 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
You get to work on the new toys? Lucky you.

We only have the old KC130 refuelers out where I am.

I still hate all you maintainers though.
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#410 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Lemme guess, you're SecFo?
Everybody hates maintainers. We all hate each other. Hell, we all hate ourselves. And trust me, be happy you don't have fighters. We just have 35s and 16s here at Luke and they're loud as fuck. And I'd go work heavies any day. They break a hell of a lot less, especially for avionics. 35s are pretty cool though.
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#411 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yup, I chose it though unlike a lot of guys and I enjoy it.

I just hate you guys cuz you'll purposefully cross red lines all the time just to spite us, or not have your badges in the right places.
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#415 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I've thought about getting out and becoming a cop. Civilian cops make more than most people realize. I just fucking hate airplanes man.

Damn, not at a fighter base. I can't believe people actually do that shit. Dunno about heavies bases, but at a fighter base your ass gets tackled and arrested for breaking red.
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#421 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
And I can also confirm that civi cops do, in fact, make some serious bucks. Especially if your a single guy willing to do some overtime.
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#420 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Our base is extremely slow in terms of issues, even though we have 2 major MAJCOMs and an Intel HQ, so it's a lot more relaxed I guess.

I've heard of other bases where our security is insane and the slightest deviation will lead to that kind of stuff, that's usually nuke bases though.
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#424 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
You at MacDill?

I dunno, both bases I've been to they've been super strict about it. Last base was an A-10 base so we didn't even have 35s for them to ramp up security for or anything.
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#426 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I'm at Scott. Middle of nowhere, Illinois.
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#429 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Ah, yeah. Good ol' Scott. I lived there before I shipped to basic (dad was AF too). I fucking hated it there. Went to Mascoutah High, it was horrible. Still have a lot of friends there. Tell you what though, I miss at least seeing green. I've been in Arizona for about four years now, it's all just brown.
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#433 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Really? I'm actually originally from the area, only about an hour or so north of Scott. I'm living in Belleville right now.

You at Luke?
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#435 - fadetometallica (12/02/2016) [-]
Mascoutah is just garbage. Or at least the school is. My Senior year there was the first year they had students in the new school building. They have nice facilities, I just hated the people. Don't think I would mind being stationed there, though.

Yep, Luke. And I was at Davis-Monthan before, down in Tucson. The Air Force really wants me in Arizona, I guess. It's hot as fuck here, but the winters are really nice (it's 55 degrees outside right now), and there's a lot to do in Phoenix.
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#437 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
I've only ever been around Flagstaff a couple years ago. I know a couple people that live there though, and I hear it's a dry but brutal heat.
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#67 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
*has
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#79 - fuunnokami (12/02/2016) [-]
Has? Or are in service? I don't remember the exact number I heard when I was serving, but the air force has been dying off for a while now. Some are even considering assimilating it back into the army.
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#85 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
That's 2014 numbers, but I doubt there's been a 1500 aircraft swing in 2 years.

And that's the first I've heard of it.
#466 - terminalinfinity (12/02/2016) [-]
To be fair though, it wouldn't be a big deal if the USN had more aircraft. The Air Force wasn't really created to be the air wing at all. It was created to solve the dispute between the Navy and Army (Who operated the Air Force at the time) over who should have the Nuclear Weapons. If Nukes didn't come along, the Army, Navy and Marines would probably still have their own Air branches and therefore no need for any separate air force.
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#533 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
No it wouldn't, but he was just wrong so I called him out on it.

If I were to stay in for the full 20 I wouldn't be surprised if the AF was combined with another branch again, like the Navy possibly.

I know that eventually as we begin to have military capabilities in space, the Navy will most likely take over there instead of the USAF.
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#40 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I can tell you that as an MP we've damn well heard of him plenty.
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#222 - zombifier (12/02/2016) [-]
As a grunt, I can tell you I am shredding my DD-214 and reenlisting
#91 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Does MP stand for MarinePenguin?
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#94 - marinepenguin (12/02/2016) [-]
Yes, everything in my life has been an incredibly well planned series of events that all fit together in an elaborate puzzle.
#95 - juffs (12/02/2016) [-]
Well I'm sure more than one person will see this crowning achievement of your life. Congratulations, sir. Good job.