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#122851 - Yeah yeah, muh moderate rebels and whatnot. Blame th…  [+] (10 new replies) 14 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#122853 - shekelnator (14 hours ago) [-]
dindu nufffin

stop acting like a nigger and accept responsibility for letting your government do shit
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#122854 - marinepenguin (14 hours ago) [-]
I didn't want them to do that. I was against intervention in Syria from the beginning. I didn't vote for Obama, nor did I ever support Clinton, I'm also not voting for Clinton this fall.

What do you want me to do, personally, that I'm not doing already, that would cause any large change in what's happening?

I can't "take responsibility" for something I never endorsed or supporter in the first place.
#122855 - shekelnator (13 hours ago) [-]
oh you can take responsibility for not protesting against it. your government are a bunch of coward fools. and some of your people are ignorant treacherous maniacs

the only responsibility you guy have to take the burden is allowing them to do what they want without any sort of protest or civil. now enjoy your country supporting the same people who blew up your towers. who killed your soldiers. and who massacre your people.

Or simply you people go rush in the white house like a human beings who want to be great humans. but i doubt this will happen since 50% of your population need to be nuked from the corruption status they are in.

the most fucked thing about you guys is even letting these terrorists and who funds them live between you like normal people. how do you even sleep and not worrying they might go on killing spree in the next day? If you people really bother against terrorism you would have took arms against them and not allowing them to have a seat of power in your country.
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#122856 - marinepenguin (13 hours ago) [-]
There are more forms of protest than assembly and through signs and shouts. You can boycott, vote, and denounce among many other things.

And yeah, storming the white house sounds like a horrible idea. That would be a coup, and Because that would set a precedent for violence every time the government does something wrong.

And while we've immigrated a number of Somalis and Syrians, I personally have never met one. I'm more afraid of getting shot when I'm in downtown St. Louis than seeing a Muslim shoot some place up. And voting against Clinton would greatly reduce that anyways.
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#122857 - shekelnator (13 hours ago) [-]
1- that never work.

2- you guys really need to change your government. by a coup or civil war or a rebellion. your country has crossed the red line of not being being suspicious of supporting terrorism but a terrorist head quarter itself.

3-no not the rapefugees. but the politicians and who supports them and who they support. Barack Hussein Obama, John Kerry Al-Baghdadi, Hillary Mahmoud clinton and more.
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#122861 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
It's worked before, change through peaceful processes is always the option before violence. A bloody regime change very rarely turns out to be an improvement.

There will always be bad politicians. All you can do is create a system that makes an individual politician unable to do a large amount of damage.
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#122862 - shekelnator (12 hours ago) [-]
we are living in a different world now. what you say has worked before but not for now. things changed and corrupted politicians are more powerful and resilient and secured on their position.

this is not the 1500AD.
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#122864 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
That's verifiably incorrect. Living in the democratic nations that we do, we have far more power as individuals than we ever have throughout history.

Kings and dictators could crush rebellions with Force. Presidents and Senate's have a much harder time when they're power stems directly from the people.
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#122871 - shekelnator (11 hours ago) [-]
do you think they care about democracy? you need to remove that imaginary word from your mind. there is no democracy. they dont care if you walked ill. they wont care if your mother is murdered.

so dont play democratic games. the only way to remove corruptions by cleaning it.
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#122865 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
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#122848 - News articles have been removing the Ali from, David Ali Sonbo… 15 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#122846 - I don't see fascism as a solution. It's just an understandable… 16 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#122845 - Wow, you got crazy quick.  [+] (12 new replies) 16 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#122849 - shekelnator (14 hours ago) [-]
he is right ya know. we all know US is a terrorist association :^)
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#122851 - marinepenguin (14 hours ago) [-]
Yeah yeah, muh moderate rebels and whatnot.

Blame that on our former secretary Clinton and the Obama administration.
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#122853 - shekelnator (14 hours ago) [-]
dindu nufffin

stop acting like a nigger and accept responsibility for letting your government do shit
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#122854 - marinepenguin (14 hours ago) [-]
I didn't want them to do that. I was against intervention in Syria from the beginning. I didn't vote for Obama, nor did I ever support Clinton, I'm also not voting for Clinton this fall.

What do you want me to do, personally, that I'm not doing already, that would cause any large change in what's happening?

I can't "take responsibility" for something I never endorsed or supporter in the first place.
#122855 - shekelnator (13 hours ago) [-]
oh you can take responsibility for not protesting against it. your government are a bunch of coward fools. and some of your people are ignorant treacherous maniacs

the only responsibility you guy have to take the burden is allowing them to do what they want without any sort of protest or civil. now enjoy your country supporting the same people who blew up your towers. who killed your soldiers. and who massacre your people.

Or simply you people go rush in the white house like a human beings who want to be great humans. but i doubt this will happen since 50% of your population need to be nuked from the corruption status they are in.

the most fucked thing about you guys is even letting these terrorists and who funds them live between you like normal people. how do you even sleep and not worrying they might go on killing spree in the next day? If you people really bother against terrorism you would have took arms against them and not allowing them to have a seat of power in your country.
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#122856 - marinepenguin (13 hours ago) [-]
There are more forms of protest than assembly and through signs and shouts. You can boycott, vote, and denounce among many other things.

And yeah, storming the white house sounds like a horrible idea. That would be a coup, and Because that would set a precedent for violence every time the government does something wrong.

And while we've immigrated a number of Somalis and Syrians, I personally have never met one. I'm more afraid of getting shot when I'm in downtown St. Louis than seeing a Muslim shoot some place up. And voting against Clinton would greatly reduce that anyways.
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#122857 - shekelnator (13 hours ago) [-]
1- that never work.

2- you guys really need to change your government. by a coup or civil war or a rebellion. your country has crossed the red line of not being being suspicious of supporting terrorism but a terrorist head quarter itself.

3-no not the rapefugees. but the politicians and who supports them and who they support. Barack Hussein Obama, John Kerry Al-Baghdadi, Hillary Mahmoud clinton and more.
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#122861 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
It's worked before, change through peaceful processes is always the option before violence. A bloody regime change very rarely turns out to be an improvement.

There will always be bad politicians. All you can do is create a system that makes an individual politician unable to do a large amount of damage.
User avatar
#122862 - shekelnator (12 hours ago) [-]
we are living in a different world now. what you say has worked before but not for now. things changed and corrupted politicians are more powerful and resilient and secured on their position.

this is not the 1500AD.
User avatar
#122864 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
That's verifiably incorrect. Living in the democratic nations that we do, we have far more power as individuals than we ever have throughout history.

Kings and dictators could crush rebellions with Force. Presidents and Senate's have a much harder time when they're power stems directly from the people.
User avatar
#122871 - shekelnator (11 hours ago) [-]
do you think they care about democracy? you need to remove that imaginary word from your mind. there is no democracy. they dont care if you walked ill. they wont care if your mother is murdered.

so dont play democratic games. the only way to remove corruptions by cleaning it.
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#122865 - marinepenguin (12 hours ago) [-]
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#122844 - Trump has already had a couple assassination attempts on him. … 16 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... +1
#122843 - "We've been over this before though..... " &g… 16 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#47256 - Not often.  [+] (1 new reply) 07/23/2016 on Fitness - muscle and... 0
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#47258 - cptmongtard (07/23/2016) [-]
Oh how different our cultures are
#235 - >Training with sidearm I'm a military cop and we work …  [+] (1 new reply) 07/23/2016 on "why are people mad and... +4
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#297 - useroftheLOLZ (07/23/2016) [-]
If it's hard to point out the discrepancies between the level of standard among police academies, then the standards need to be seriously reformed. The fact that there's half a dozen different ways to become a cop, creating half a dozen different types of quality is a clear sign something is wrong and we've become to lax. It shouldn't come down to issues of manning, budgets and leadership, not when the Police are expected to keep civil order.

Not when we've got incidents like what happened in Orlando where because the police who arrived at the shooting were complete and utter idiots and decided to get into a firefight with the shooter, the FBI must now conduct an investigation to see if there were any casualties that were tied to Police misconduct, because any idiot can tell that the numbers don't add up considering the time frame, number of shots he took inside and outside of the club and what the Corner has discovered with certain bodies having been pumped full of lead.

And working with guns over the years as well as getting engineering schooling, I can tell when a machine has been well maintained and when it's barely, if ever, used. You look at places that sell police buyback firearms and its the same story, everywhere. "Like new, never used, shows holster wear, never fired, dropped once." It's fucking appalling, especially when this guy was supposedly SWAT, was aiming for the stationary Tard and ended up shooting the Wrangler 5 feet away from him. Police should be extensively trained in ACADEMY, not when they get out. The amount of time spent teaching cops to draw while wearing a retention holster shouldn't be greater than that spent teaching them to keep their booger picker off the fucking trigger.

And a couple hundred times over the course of a couple months isn't good enough. I've been putting 250-400 rounds of 9mm through my Beretta on my monthly trip to the range. Shooting is a skill that you either use or lose. The fact that we've got cops coming out of the academy being tested in a 80 shot test that's easier to pass than half of the country's CCW's testing requirements, is a serious issue.

And referencing your previous point on budgets, manpower and the like, if your servicing an area of around a million, then wouldn't you expect that your department would have better training.

And here, were was the oversight? Why wasn't someone reporting up the chain, "Hey, we're being trained to kill people with less than lethal tactics through improper training and arming."?

And in this, not every department can afford something like this, but the military has honed it down to an art and is able to teach the bare basics in 3 months flat, to about a hundred thousand people a year, and has been doing it since the 1950's when the United State's bootcamp training doctrine started taking the steps to refine it's training process into an art. I'd much rather see a slower process of training taking place. Not one where you get a 2 year degree, go to academy for 4 months, get slapped on the ass and thrown into duty. One where police never really stop getting renewal training I find far more preferential. If we have Teachers getting renewal schooling, why not cops? Something more than just requalification.

Your experience is different than mine obviously, considering you work in a densely populated area.

Mine is in Wisconsin and of the guys I know who are going through accademy, one is doing it in southern Wisconsin, two are doing Northern, and one is going towards the East, near the bigger cities. Hell, I worked a guy who worked in the Milwaukee Sheriff's department for 10 years, one of the worst cities in the state and he gave the same sort of response, that during his time, many guys were not ready.

There needs to be a reform that standardizes training, in addition to an increase in the quality of training.
#165 - Except maybe the ultra downeys thing. I'll give you that one . 07/23/2016 on "why are people mad and... 0
#164 - That's, like, all false. All of it.  [+] (8 new replies) 07/23/2016 on "why are people mad and... +38
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#180 - useroftheLOLZ (07/23/2016) [-]
>Training with sidearm
I have a seven year old Beretta 92fs, police buy back. When I bought it, it was in pristine condition. It needed zero work, the finishing in the slide rails was pristine as well and the Barrel's rifling was brand. Fucking. New. All it shows of is holster wear.

>Non lethal detainment and improper restraint detainment
policelink.monster.com/training/articles/2271-a-lack-of-in-service-training-may-lead-to-liability
Here you go boyo

Oh and this is quite funny as well
scholarworks.law.ubalt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1810&context=lf

Cops literally being trained to use batons improperly, to use killing strikes in order to "detain" someone

>In the moment training
Is literally biological. When your body enters fight or flight mode, blood is drawn to your core while adrenaline is poured into your limbs. This results in the loss of sensation in your hands and fingers, which contributes to the "Itchy trigger finger" dilemma that caused the cop to shot the dude on the ground. He literally didn't know why he pulled the trigger, because he was afraid and wasn't properly trained to deal with heat and was DEFINITELY improperly trained with his sidearm because his finger should have been on the trigger in the first damn place.

The military teaches you how to deal with this by spending hours at the range, doing drills in all sorts of situations.

>Dealing with retards
Its all over the news fuckboi.

And how do I know most of this? Because I work with 4 different guys, all going through the police academy who've all said the same thing consistently, their training is in serious need of reform because there are things that they are not being taught. Once is almost finished and told me yesterday when we were talking about this shit, he's graduating in 4 months and none of his instructors have talked about restraining someone outside of when they're moving around, with their hands behind their back.

He's literally got to take a course from another company who actually does suplimental police training because there are things he doesn't know, but is seriously afraid he'll fuck up on because it wasn't taught to him well enough to get a firm understanding. Things like safe grapples, how to measure less than lethal force, more in depth training on the usage of tasers, and a shit ton more training with his Glock because while he's familiar with it, he was a noguns before becoming a cop and has put less than 300 rounds down range.
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#235 - marinepenguin (07/23/2016) [-]
>Training with sidearm
I'm a military cop and we work with civilian cops constantly. Every police department and academy is different, so it's hard to point out one specific group and say "all police operate at this level of standards", it depends on their manning, budgets, leadership, community and numerous other variables. We compare training, train together, and just bullshit together so we know each others rules and capabilities fairly well. Personally I was issued a brand new sidearm and within the couple months I've had it I've fired it a few hundred times and the police I've worked with fire at the range at least twice a month when they've got extra ammunition. These weapons are also expertly maintained and even after years of use they're still perfectly functioning regardless of outside wear and tear.

>Non lethal detainment and improper restraint detainment
Personally we train with police every other Wednesday and cuffing/detainment/apprehension procedures are the backbone basics that we touch on every time. Never had any incidents on a base with 39,000 people and in an area with over a million.

>Oh and this is quite funny as well
That was literally the exact opposite of how I was trained and how I've been trained to use a baton, and again, we train in conjunction with local police forces.


>In the moment training
We have a "video game" that is a simulation of thousands of various scenarios that change upon your response to the specific situation. We PT beforehand, then strap a tazer to our belt, while going through these scenarios. If we do something wrong, break the law, misuse Force, or get shot, we get 10k volts to the ass. That game is the closest thing you can get to training within a real life situation, outside of an actual event.

>Dealing with retards
I already gave you that one, I have received absolutely zero training on special needs individual. I also don't trust television news networks on any sort of topic.

"And how do I know most of this? Because I work with 4 different guys, all going through the police academy who've all said the same thing consistently, their training is in serious need of reform because there are things that they are not being taught. Once is almost finished and told me yesterday when we were talking about this shit, he's graduating in 4 months and none of his instructors have talked about restraining someone outside of when they're moving around, with their hands behind their back.

He's literally got to take a course from another company who actually does suplimental police training because there are things he doesn't know, but is seriously afraid he'll fuck up on because it wasn't taught to him well enough to get a firm understanding. Things like safe grapples, how to measure less than lethal force, more in depth training on the usage of tasers, and a shit ton more training with his Glock because while he's familiar with it, he was a noguns before becoming a cop and has put less than 300 rounds down range."

That's your personal experience just as I've shared mine. That academy and it's appalling departments do seem like they need some serious work in terms of training and administration. It would be interesting to know the area and how much of an issue crime and other statistics may be effected if the training is truly that under par.

But that description does not follow with my own personal experiences or the experiences of Amy police officer I've ever had the conversation with.
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#297 - useroftheLOLZ (07/23/2016) [-]
If it's hard to point out the discrepancies between the level of standard among police academies, then the standards need to be seriously reformed. The fact that there's half a dozen different ways to become a cop, creating half a dozen different types of quality is a clear sign something is wrong and we've become to lax. It shouldn't come down to issues of manning, budgets and leadership, not when the Police are expected to keep civil order.

Not when we've got incidents like what happened in Orlando where because the police who arrived at the shooting were complete and utter idiots and decided to get into a firefight with the shooter, the FBI must now conduct an investigation to see if there were any casualties that were tied to Police misconduct, because any idiot can tell that the numbers don't add up considering the time frame, number of shots he took inside and outside of the club and what the Corner has discovered with certain bodies having been pumped full of lead.

And working with guns over the years as well as getting engineering schooling, I can tell when a machine has been well maintained and when it's barely, if ever, used. You look at places that sell police buyback firearms and its the same story, everywhere. "Like new, never used, shows holster wear, never fired, dropped once." It's fucking appalling, especially when this guy was supposedly SWAT, was aiming for the stationary Tard and ended up shooting the Wrangler 5 feet away from him. Police should be extensively trained in ACADEMY, not when they get out. The amount of time spent teaching cops to draw while wearing a retention holster shouldn't be greater than that spent teaching them to keep their booger picker off the fucking trigger.

And a couple hundred times over the course of a couple months isn't good enough. I've been putting 250-400 rounds of 9mm through my Beretta on my monthly trip to the range. Shooting is a skill that you either use or lose. The fact that we've got cops coming out of the academy being tested in a 80 shot test that's easier to pass than half of the country's CCW's testing requirements, is a serious issue.

And referencing your previous point on budgets, manpower and the like, if your servicing an area of around a million, then wouldn't you expect that your department would have better training.

And here, were was the oversight? Why wasn't someone reporting up the chain, "Hey, we're being trained to kill people with less than lethal tactics through improper training and arming."?

And in this, not every department can afford something like this, but the military has honed it down to an art and is able to teach the bare basics in 3 months flat, to about a hundred thousand people a year, and has been doing it since the 1950's when the United State's bootcamp training doctrine started taking the steps to refine it's training process into an art. I'd much rather see a slower process of training taking place. Not one where you get a 2 year degree, go to academy for 4 months, get slapped on the ass and thrown into duty. One where police never really stop getting renewal training I find far more preferential. If we have Teachers getting renewal schooling, why not cops? Something more than just requalification.

Your experience is different than mine obviously, considering you work in a densely populated area.

Mine is in Wisconsin and of the guys I know who are going through accademy, one is doing it in southern Wisconsin, two are doing Northern, and one is going towards the East, near the bigger cities. Hell, I worked a guy who worked in the Milwaukee Sheriff's department for 10 years, one of the worst cities in the state and he gave the same sort of response, that during his time, many guys were not ready.

There needs to be a reform that standardizes training, in addition to an increase in the quality of training.
#198 - anon (07/23/2016) [-]
Now I only skimmed the 2nd article, but from what I can tell it is talking about a specific place, not a universal mistraining of police officers. All it does is start off by detailing the many ways it is illegal to mistrain then it says "hey they are doing this in Baltimore."
#206 - anon (07/23/2016) [-]
An opinion. Albeit one by someone qualified to make theirs known, but an opinion nonetheless. I don't doubt there is a need for reform in the training method. But I do doubt to an extreme level that the current training method is wrong. I expect the current training method works just fine purely as a method to train police officers but is unable to withstand all the extra requirements put into police these days.
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#217 - useroftheLOLZ (07/23/2016) [-]
We have a man who knows the system better than 99.999% of the population saying there needs to be a serious reform, but that's an opinion?

So when Interpol tells the world, "Hey, don't start letting immigrant Muslims into the West, willy nilly because that's inviting ISIS into the front door, handing them a loaded gun and saying, 'well I'm going to go take a deep nap on the couch, my daughters are upstairs in their unlocked rooms, have fun stranger"?

I talk to people who are going through the system RIGHT NOW, every day. They've all said the same thing, that they feel extremely unprepared for what they're expected to do.

If we have shit like this going on, with Cops and Police top Brass saying the system is inadequate, then stop playing retard and start listening. There is no extra requirements and I have no idea what the issue you're taking is.

Cops don't need more or extra training to be more effective?

Cops aren't prepared because that sure as shit is fucking wrong.

That the fucking Police are wrong and you're right despite them saying that things are not how they should be?
#208 - anon (07/23/2016) [-]
Which is to say the current training method is fine, but there is always a better one.