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#124195 - Silencing bigots only means that you are allowing the goalpost…  [+] (21 new replies) 08/12/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#124197 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
I don't buy into that kinda black or white rhetoric
You'd much rather live in Britain than you would Saudi Arabia

Also, it's worth keeping in mind that Europe isn't one single country (even though EU wish it was). There are different laws for free speech everywhere.

That being said I much prefer Europe over America. I don't believe in the right to carry arms, and I don't believe inciting to violence is regarded as free speech any more than you believe threats are.
Besides, pretty much the only people insiting to violence is radical muslims and nothing please me more than seing them thrown in jail for it.

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#124200 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
If you refuse the right for people to carry weapons, all you're doing is disarming the common man. Taking guns out of the equation doesn't lower violent crime, rape, murders, sexual assaults, etc. Usually the opposite occurs.
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#124203 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
Good. That is exactly what I want. The common man should never be trusted with firearms.

We have a much lower crime rate than the US. Granted this isn't necessarily related to firearms being reserved for police and military, but as it sits I see no reason for trusting the "common man" with lethal firearms. A killswitch is not a human right.
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#124221 - lotengo (08/12/2016) [-]
the US is 60% white.
Thanks to you guys Europe will soon be in the same place, I bet our crime rate will skyrocket past that of the US, especially violent crimes like assault and rape
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#124222 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
I'm all for a strict immigration policy
I don't see why you blame me for watering out the indigenous population
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#124204 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
A firearm isn't a "kill switch". It isn't any better at taking a life than a knife, or a bomb. It may he more efficient or it may kill at longer ranges, but it doesn't kill any more easily. Even as a cop, we're trained that a knife, baton, tazer, vehicle, pan, or even fists in many cases, are just as lethal as firearms and can be a prerequisite for lethal for the. Also, even in the United States, far more crimes are prevented and lives saved than are taken away by firearms.
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#124206 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
It's a lot better at taking a life than a knife. It makes spree killing A skilled martial artist can easily disable a knife assailant. Nobody can do shit when being mowed down by assault rifles.

Guess what, bombs are illegal as well.

You see the difference beween a knife or a fist and a firearm is that firearm is literally made to kill. Knives and fists are tools and unless you're going to mutilate the entire population they have to stay as a necessity.

"Rocks can be used to kill people therefore I need a missile"
Do you see the fallacy?

I believe it's to late for the United States, too many firearms is already in circulation. I don't really see the problem. You can have your wild west over there while we have a stricter society over here. In the end we're both happy with the legislations where we live.



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#124215 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
They can fire back if they have weapons too. Most european's and generally people with zero firearms experience generally have a false idea of a weapons capabilities and how efficient they really are. The problem is that disarming the common man doesn't take guns out of the equation, it disarms those who would potentially be able to defend themselves against someone else with a weapon. More guns don't equal more crime, more murders, or more violence.

Gun deaths still occur in areas where they are illegal, and bombs are still built fairly easily and used while being illegal. Something being illegal doesn't mean it gets eliminated from use.

-"Rocks can be used to kill people therefore I need a missile"
Do you see the fallacy? -
No because that's completely misrepresenting the entire argument. No one is saying everyone needs a missile. I only see your fallacy of inflating my argument to seem ridiculous and less agreeable.

I don't have a problem with Europeans not having firearms, it's not your culture and I understand that. I have a problem with people pointing at Europe and fetishizing what your policies are, and claiming we should follow suit.
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#124223 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
I want the same thing as you
People fetishize your politics as well and call for Europeans to legalise carrying arms (Crowder did this)

Why can't we let Europe be Europe and America be America?
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#124224 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
Crowder was Canadian and is an American citizen now. So thats a bit different.

Canada is going to have to swing some sort of way.
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#124225 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
I don't know that much about Canada
Seems like a nice place
It doesn't mean he should recommend the American system for Europe though. From what I've seen he jas a lack of understanding when it comes to European politics.

Either way we both want to and are living our own way so I guess we're good

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#124207 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
It makes spree killing easier*
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#124199 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
You either have the freedom to do as you say or please, with the only exception being that you aren't Infringing upon another rights. If you aren't free, you're in a cage, and some cages are just bigger than others.

Also, inciting violence, otherwise known as a call to action, is illegal in the United States. If you tell someone to kill another person and they actually do it, it will make you an accessory to murder. If you yell fire in a theater and there is no fire, you are liable for injuries or damages that occur and will be tried.

Saying that all Muslims are murderers and evil, or that all blacks are stupid, may be bigoted and considered "hate speech" in some places, but it's still an opinion they have a right to hold and voice. But once you begin to give threats, that's when the law becomes involved.
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#124202 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
As I said there are varying degrees of freedom
Theres a lot of room between America and North Korea
Again, I don't buy into this black and white fallacy

Didn't know. I believe youregaylol told me it was legal there along with hate speech.
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#124205 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
I'm not saying its black and white.
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#124208 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
You sure seem to imply it
To you it's either your system or no freedom

That is by definition black or white rhetoric
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#124213 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
I never said it was the US system that was the ideal system. By no means are we absolutely free here in the US. You could almost argue that absolute freedom would only be able to occur in a system of anarchy.
#124265 - anon (08/13/2016) [-]
Absolute freedom would need to have a society that is a system of anarchy, but at that point, people would feel no restraints, and the entire society would turn into a shithole.
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#124214 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
You basically said that you are either a free society or not so that's what I interpreted it as

And yes I agree. Absolute freedom wouldn't be a society at all
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#124217 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
Having our freedoms restricted to the most minor point while maintaining society should be the goal in my opinion. That would mean maintaining a smaller level of governance, you don't need restrictions in terms of law or government.
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#124198 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
inciting*
#124194 - It'll all work out I think, out of the other tenants I've met,… 08/12/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#124193 - Honestly out of all my neighbors they're the only ones who hav… 08/12/2016 on Politics - politics news,... +2
#124187 - So I just recently moved into an apartment by myself, and I fo…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/12/2016 on Politics - politics news,... +6
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#124238 - philliyoMLB (08/13/2016) [-]
Yeah fuck Missouri, why are you in that shithole?
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#124246 - marinepenguin (08/13/2016) [-]
I'm still in Illinois. But I'm in the St. Louis area for school/military.
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#124192 - akkere (08/12/2016) [-]
Damn dude, I'm sorry to hear you've got to deal with such sacks of shit.
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#124194 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
It'll all work out I think, out of the other tenants I've met, they're the only ones who have given me any issue for being military/police.
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#124189 - whoozy (08/12/2016) [-]
What is happening in America that creates these lawless communities?
Here in Europe it's usually big concentrations of immigrants that causes this, but in America it seems like it happens with american citizens as well. Especially the black communities.
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#124239 - philliyoMLB (08/13/2016) [-]
Because the new generation of black people don't have any actual racism to deal with while the older ones did. So they just find something to bitch about when they can't find success, it's very typical. Then Successful black people don't care about their communities, they just take the money and run. So really all you hear it from are poor misguided black people is all.
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#124226 - pebar (08/12/2016) [-]
People being taught from an early age the no matter how hard they try, THE MAN will always be out to get them.
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#124193 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
Honestly out of all my neighbors they're the only ones who have given me any sort of problems.

They're also the only black family.

I'm just a firm believer that there's an issue with the black culture and that the government has destroyed the black family, creating a 1-2 punch of poverty and crime.
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#124149 - We shall see. 08/11/2016 on Politics - politics news,... +2
#124147 - Russia is pretty powerful but I think people overestimate thei…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/11/2016 on Politics - politics news,... -1
#124162 - figatron (08/11/2016) [-]
they're bullies. They pick on the weak because they can but have little economic capacity to sustain a major war.
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#124151 - shekelnator (08/11/2016) [-]
Russia isnt the country you are thinking. havent you seen the war in syria? all their moves are tactical ans strategical and all your shithole plans are failing and your tax dollars to arm terrorists is flushed to the void
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#124300 - cognosceteipsum (08/14/2016) [-]
*cough* Нохчий *cough*
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#124165 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
Russia did pretty great in Afghanistan huh?
#124133 - Russia is conducting war games along the Ukrainian border, and…  [+] (16 new replies) 08/11/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#124166 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
I wonder how the rest of the world would react to full blown war. There was enough backlash over Crimea which at least was technically legal. A full blown invasion though would require some heavy political wrangling.
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#124196 - marinepenguin (08/12/2016) [-]
I think "technically legal is going a bit far. If crimes was technically legal, Germany's invasion of Poland was also "technically legal".

But I think you're right, Russia was already hurt by some sanctions from the Ukraine/Crimea incidents. A full blown war would have some serious backlash.
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#124167 - thumbfortrump (08/11/2016) [-]
How on earth was Crimea technically legal.
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#124168 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
Because there was a "referendum" that "real" "Crimeans" "voted" in.
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#124169 - thumbfortrump (08/11/2016) [-]
It was completely and totally illegal. Acquisition of territory through conquest has been considered illegal since WW2 by practically every country in the world.

Self-determination is recognised but only in very specific situations, and never ever while occupied by another state.
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#124170 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
The point is the pretext was there. If confronted Putin can simply claim he was enforcing the Crimeans right to privacy. Anyone who talks to loud about it gets polonium in their tea.
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#124171 - thumbfortrump (08/11/2016) [-]
Yeah, but it is extremely rare in international law that states can legally invade a country with the purpose of protecting the citizens of that particular state. The whole thing has been a complete farce. I think I could be a lot more Russia-friendly if it wasn't for the fact that they don't have any respect for borders.

It is a strange hypocrisy or naivety in the right wing camp that we speak against muh globalist imperialist and muh government-controlled media, but keep throwing ourselves in the arms of Putin.
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#124172 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
The US has already interfered more in a Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya just in recent history. It's completely different but if it Putin wanted to argue that he'd have a case. To justify any sanctions or military action we'd need something more overt.
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#124135 - thumbfortrump (08/11/2016) [-]
I doubt the Baltics will do anything without the US sanctioning it.
Honestly if Russia attacks they'll steamroll Ukraine. They'd also have to come up with some retarded pretext, but that hasn't stopped them before.

Historically, August is also the perfect movement to conduct stuff like this. Government offices are somewhat empty in August because of vacations. The Berlin wall was build in August 1961. Czechoslovakia was invaded in August 1968. Moscow coup was in August 1991. And most importantly, Georgia was invaded in Augsut 2008.

And speaking of 2008, we were having a presidential election, and the world's focus was on the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. The exact same circumstances as now.
I'll bet my hat this August is one for the history books.
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#124149 - marinepenguin (08/11/2016) [-]
We shall see.
#124134 - shekelnator (08/11/2016) [-]
>implying hohols and other shitty Baltic nations who support them will do anything. they barely can feed their asses and the result of the war with Russia is them sent to rot in Siberia
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#124147 - marinepenguin (08/11/2016) [-]
Russia is pretty powerful but I think people overestimate their capabilities.
#124162 - figatron (08/11/2016) [-]
they're bullies. They pick on the weak because they can but have little economic capacity to sustain a major war.
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#124151 - shekelnator (08/11/2016) [-]
Russia isnt the country you are thinking. havent you seen the war in syria? all their moves are tactical ans strategical and all your shithole plans are failing and your tax dollars to arm terrorists is flushed to the void
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#124300 - cognosceteipsum (08/14/2016) [-]
*cough* Нохчий *cough*
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#124165 - theism (08/11/2016) [-]
Russia did pretty great in Afghanistan huh?
#124119 - While that's true, that's not what I'm saying. I'm s… 08/11/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#124110 - It falls apart when people claim its whites vs all minorities.…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/10/2016 on Politics - politics news,... -1
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#124117 - redandgreen (08/11/2016) [-]
That in itself is a racist view though. If a person doesn't think their own race can be racist, that's racism.

I think people of any race can be racist toward people of any other race.
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#124119 - marinepenguin (08/11/2016) [-]
While that's true, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that if someone makes the claim that whites systematically try to suppress minorities because they're racist, why are Asians performing so well so often? Jew's do as well but people generally consider them white.