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#9 - lolollo (06/28/2016) [-]
Do what youre saying is we need to crucify these people for bothering to learn a trade which is inherently necessary for society to continue to run and expecting that same society to compensate them for that service, but not the parts of that society which refuse to compensate them...
Seems a little backwards, considering the insinuation is that they wouldve been better off never learning the trade.
#14 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
so is letting them and their families starve by not paying them. sure, the city SHOULD pay them, but as it stands, they don't, hence the strike. if we're gonna follow your logic, the city would just exploit the fact that emergency personnel is driven by a moral code to serve the city no matter what, and so the city would never pay them at all since the emergency personnel would still be providing services, reluctantly, but would still do it, which tbh i believe is partly what has been going on really. no one else would work for months on end without getting paid
#21 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
"Its ok to let police families starve to death"
If they don't do anything, nothing will change. They HAVE to strike, it's not their fault they've done their duty long enough without getting paid that they have gone above and beyond already.
#20 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
You're contradicting yourself so hard here "they should get paid shouldn't be allowed to protest". They're not getting paid, so should they just do the work for free? I get that you're saying they should be paid, but that's just it. They haven't been payed a wage in months, so they shouldn't protest for pay?
#23 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Nope, no contradiction in saying that two wrongs dont make a right.
I can condemn the city for not being fiscally responsible while also condemning those with the ability to help letting people die.
You can make the city pay in other ways besides striking, have every police officer and FF complain about it every single day in every single way they can without killing people, perhaps.
#41 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Then all the police and firemen should quit, so they can get jobs that do pay. Then no one is striking.
#43 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
This is a comprise I can see, if they want to quit and move on, one by one over a period of time, I have no problem as that forces the city to hire more people who they will need to pay more or who can take less. It would also free up job space.
However every cop or every firefighter quitting on the same day will endanger lives in such a drastic way that it is morally reprehensible.
#71 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
A volunteer. Thats what they do.
You could do it like this, train ordinary citizens who will each contribute a minimum of 3 hours of downtime a day, that way their work schedule wont be effected. This doesn't include the retired and the young, who will be able to contribute far more.
Hire a bunch of these less skilled volunteers, 5 to every one former paid firefighter or policeman, train them, and then at least the public wont be completely fucked into anarchy.
#84 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
A volunteer in a place like Puerto Rico? That place is a crime hole so filled with shit that no one will do it for free.
#17 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Why does it matter if a baby burns to death while his father gets his head smashed in fighting off looters. The pay isn't there!
Remember this though if for whatever reason your public service goes on strike, it doesn't matter if they stand by while grandma gets skullfucked to death, the city treated them unfairly.
#19 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, but the person getting skullfucked will think about it. I think the thousands of people living in anarchy will think about it as well.
Do me a favor, can you say that public service pay is more important than people in burning buildings and rape victims?
I just want you to type it out yourself. Maybe writing it out will make you realize how ridiculous your position is.
#24 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
so you're saying the city should expect public emergency services for free while the families of those public servants can go fuck themselves. you talk as if those public servants aren't citizens part of the same system the civilians are. sure they're gonna provide public services and save others, but who's gonna save them? and who's gonna save your retarded ass once all public servants and their families starved to death?
#26 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
I'm in public service, went without a paycheck for years doing hours upon hours of volunteer work, you're not gonna shame me kiddo.
Notice how you couldn't say it though? Because you know it's fucking stupid.
I on the other hand will say that, yes, thousands of people living in anarchy and possibly losing their lives is more important than everyone in public service and their families. Even if they're starving, but I doubt they are.
You can't say that pay is more important than rape victims and people burning to death because you know it's fucked. That settles the argument, basically.
#28 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
"went without a paycheck for years doing hours upon hours of volunteer work"
well no shit you went without a paycheck if you did volunteer work you fucking dip. and if you're gonna put it that way that the city should expect public services for free regardless if the public servants are paid or not, no one's gonna take on such a responsibility without a way to maintain their families. everyone's gonna think about their own families first. i'm sure if you were a firefighter and your mother and another random stranger would be caught in a fire in the same room in a building, you're gonna go save the stranger first right? actually scratch that, considering your moronic argument, i'm sure you would
#85 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
you don't really get how this whole government system works, do you? society doesn't work based on one-side morality where public servants have to be public servants no matter what just because that is their title and they are morally obligated to serve the public. it's everyone's responsibility and moral duty to do their part and make sure the social infrastructure doesn't collapse. as is the responsibility of public servants to do their job, so is the government's responsibility to pay them for their services. it's as simple as that. but i guess you're gonna keep on making it more complicated than it is
#73 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
sure let's train new volunteers in a month things that licensed professionals have learned in years and then let them loose around the city against armed and rioting civilians and without even paying them. because things will definitely not end up like the last time. or they could very well have and an endless supply of people they could train every month without ever paying anyone. that system will surely work just fine.
#64 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
They could find replacements who could work for free, people do it, I did it, they could even train volunteers if they had enough time and then gradually you could move on.
However, just saying FUCK IT and going on strike leaves you with no replacement, the public in chaos, the city burning, all the while you're still not getting paid but now the public will hate your guts.
#46 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
i believe i already stated my stance in this entire thread. if i say yes you're gonna say i'm a moron like you did with the user down below, imposing your own stance over mine all over again, circling around the same argument over and over again as i already stated a couple of replies ago
#38 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
because your loaded question is retarded and has no answer. ultimately it's all a matter that most people give a shit about their families more than about strangers, while you don't and regardless how much you bicker around this argument, we're just gonna go in circles around the same point
#39 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, it's not a loaded question. People will burn to death and get raped if you had your way. Theres no other option. It does have an answer, and it's pretty obvious if you were intellectually honest.
If I wanted to dodge and biker around the argument I wouldn't have answered your actually loaded question with reservation. Thats because I actually believe I'm correct, you don't believe you're correct, you just want to be right.
#37 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
The question is more than fair. No firefighters means people and property will burn. No cops means rapists can rape and kill with impunity. These are not just possibilities, this will happen, especially in Brazil.
My stance is by far more logical than yours. Thousands of people in public service put public service before family everyday, it's part of the job. Many get divorced and end up losing custody while still never quitting.
But lets not get distracted. I answered your question as is, without any clarification.
You still cannot answer mine because you know you're wrong.
#22 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Public service pay IS more important than people in burning buildings and rape victims.
Why? Self preservation. They have a right to protest their OWN families DIEING. Starving to DEATH before they worry about others. Every human has a right to take care of their own survival, as well as their familes, before others.
#13 - lolollo (06/28/2016) [-]
Right, so youre negatively judging them for expecting the city to pay them for their inherently necessary service. Youre trying to hide behind it with small asides of "the city should pay them", but if that were truly your perception on the matter, you wouldnt feel the need to question why it is they left their post. Youre trying to put the responsibility on them, as though theyre supposed to work for free, just to appease your incredibly misguided sense of morals. Its not immoral for them to leave their post because society has decided to give them the middle finger, its selfish of society to expect them to just deal with the crap they really shouldnt have to deal with; that no one should have to deal with.
#8 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Rio isn't a city, it's a giant cartel.
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