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#2 - *Der Titel  [+] (3 replies) 07/04/2016 on sieg heillahu akbar 0
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#13 - fatminion (07/04/2016) [-]
*auf den sogenannten Titelschen bin keine deutscher, entschuldige
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#3 - itssakamoto (07/04/2016) [-]
Der titty
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#8 - roflstorm (07/04/2016) [-]
Der titty
#6 - They havent been paid any money in months. So its not abou…  [+] (70 replies) 06/28/2016 on Brazilian Police Protest +46
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#208 - becauseoprahsaidso (06/28/2016) [-]
With all the videos coming from brazil, liveleak should become a sponsor. It feels like that's the right move.
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#7 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
And thats wrong, but so is letting the city you serve fall into anarchy.
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#47 - thenewgizmobox (06/28/2016) [-]
I hate to break it to you, but people need to eat, they can't protect the public if they're starving on the streets.
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#50 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
I hate to break it to you, but public service pay is less important than hundreds of people dying and living in anarchy.
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#9 - lolollo (06/28/2016) [-]
Do what youre saying is we need to crucify these people for bothering to learn a trade which is inherently necessary for society to continue to run and expecting that same society to compensate them for that service, but not the parts of that society which refuse to compensate them...

Seems a little backwards, considering the insinuation is that they wouldve been better off never learning the trade.
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#10 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Nope, I clearly said that the city should pay them. It is immoral to let a city fall into anarchy over money though.
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#11 - lolollo (06/28/2016) [-]
Right, so you would crucify them for expecting society to compensate them in some way for learning an inherently necessary skill.

Its almost like theyd have been better off not learning it at all.

Just as i said.
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#12 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, you're just being a dramatic cunt. I never said anything about crucifying them, I did say they should be paid by the city, I only said that abandoning your post when people can burn to death and get raped is immoral.

Fuck off please.
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#14 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
so is letting them and their families starve by not paying them. sure, the city SHOULD pay them, but as it stands, they don't, hence the strike. if we're gonna follow your logic, the city would just exploit the fact that emergency personnel is driven by a moral code to serve the city no matter what, and so the city would never pay them at all since the emergency personnel would still be providing services, reluctantly, but would still do it, which tbh i believe is partly what has been going on really. no one else would work for months on end without getting paid
#15 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Okay, you guys are right.

Clearly public service getting fucked out of pay is more important than people burning to death and getting gangraped.

I don't know what I was thinking.
#21 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
"Its ok to let police families starve to death"

If they don't do anything, nothing will change. They HAVE to strike, it's not their fault they've done their duty long enough without getting paid that they have gone above and beyond already.
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#27 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
"Its ok to let police families starve to death" (even though they probably aren't starving to death) vs "it's okay to stand by while peoples flesh melts off their bones and babies get ass raped because of pay disputes"

I think mine sounds more reasonable.
#20 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
You're contradicting yourself so hard here "they should get paid shouldn't be allowed to protest". They're not getting paid, so should they just do the work for free? I get that you're saying they should be paid, but that's just it. They haven't been payed a wage in months, so they shouldn't protest for pay?
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#23 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Nope, no contradiction in saying that two wrongs dont make a right.

I can condemn the city for not being fiscally responsible while also condemning those with the ability to help letting people die.

You can make the city pay in other ways besides striking, have every police officer and FF complain about it every single day in every single way they can without killing people, perhaps.
#41 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Then all the police and firemen should quit, so they can get jobs that do pay. Then no one is striking.
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#43 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
This is a comprise I can see, if they want to quit and move on, one by one over a period of time, I have no problem as that forces the city to hire more people who they will need to pay more or who can take less. It would also free up job space.

However every cop or every firefighter quitting on the same day will endanger lives in such a drastic way that it is morally reprehensible.
#74 - revelent (06/28/2016) [-]
You're assuming that they'll be able to find replacements. Good fucking luck finding any decent amount of people willing to work full time knowing they won't get paid for entire months.
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#75 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
#68 - nushroom (06/28/2016) [-]
and who would want to start in a job where they arent being payed?
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#71 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
A volunteer. Thats what they do.

You could do it like this, train ordinary citizens who will each contribute a minimum of 3 hours of downtime a day, that way their work schedule wont be effected. This doesn't include the retired and the young, who will be able to contribute far more.

Hire a bunch of these less skilled volunteers, 5 to every one former paid firefighter or policeman, train them, and then at least the public wont be completely fucked into anarchy.
#84 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
A volunteer in a place like Puerto Rico? That place is a crime hole so filled with shit that no one will do it for free.
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#16 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
"I don't know what I was thinking."

and that's the problem. you weren't
#17 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
Yes, I see now. The logical conclusion is obviously pay above all else.

Why does it matter if a baby burns to death while his father gets his head smashed in fighting off looters. The pay isn't there!

Remember this though if for whatever reason your public service goes on strike, it doesn't matter if they stand by while grandma gets skullfucked to death, the city treated them unfairly.
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#18 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
because when your family is starving to death your first thought is gonna be whether someone is being skullfucked or not
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#19 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, but the person getting skullfucked will think about it. I think the thousands of people living in anarchy will think about it as well.

Do me a favor, can you say that public service pay is more important than people in burning buildings and rape victims?

I just want you to type it out yourself. Maybe writing it out will make you realize how ridiculous your position is.
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#24 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
so you're saying the city should expect public emergency services for free while the families of those public servants can go fuck themselves. you talk as if those public servants aren't citizens part of the same system the civilians are. sure they're gonna provide public services and save others, but who's gonna save them? and who's gonna save your retarded ass once all public servants and their families starved to death?
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#26 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
I'm in public service, went without a paycheck for years doing hours upon hours of volunteer work, you're not gonna shame me kiddo.

Notice how you couldn't say it though? Because you know it's fucking stupid.

I on the other hand will say that, yes, thousands of people living in anarchy and possibly losing their lives is more important than everyone in public service and their families. Even if they're starving, but I doubt they are.

You can't say that pay is more important than rape victims and people burning to death because you know it's fucked. That settles the argument, basically.
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#28 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
"went without a paycheck for years doing hours upon hours of volunteer work"

well no shit you went without a paycheck if you did volunteer work you fucking dip. and if you're gonna put it that way that the city should expect public services for free regardless if the public servants are paid or not, no one's gonna take on such a responsibility without a way to maintain their families. everyone's gonna think about their own families first. i'm sure if you were a firefighter and your mother and another random stranger would be caught in a fire in the same room in a building, you're gonna go save the stranger first right? actually scratch that, considering your moronic argument, i'm sure you would
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#29 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]

Is public service pay more important than thousands of people burning in buildings and getting raped?

Yes or no please.
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#31 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
is everyone else in a city more important than your own family?

yes or no please.
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#32 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]

Is public service pay more important than thousands of people burning in buildings and getting raped?
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#102 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
we've been going in circles? really? bruh, i told you that like 20 replies ago
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#97 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
yes, i almost forgot you think it's rational and objectively moral to let your family starve as you already stated the lives of strangers are more important than your own family's
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#99 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, I said that the lives of hundreds of strangers is more important than my family getting paid by me.

I think I'll stop replying to you now, you're going in circles.
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#92 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
i APPARENTLY disagree? who doesn't?
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#94 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
People with any sort of rationality or objective morality.
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#85 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
you don't really get how this whole government system works, do you? society doesn't work based on one-side morality where public servants have to be public servants no matter what just because that is their title and they are morally obligated to serve the public. it's everyone's responsibility and moral duty to do their part and make sure the social infrastructure doesn't collapse. as is the responsibility of public servants to do their job, so is the government's responsibility to pay them for their services. it's as simple as that. but i guess you're gonna keep on making it more complicated than it is
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#90 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, in fact my position is as simple as it can get.

People in a position to help others should not let hundreds die over money. You apparently disagree.
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#79 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
a backup plan that's whose responsibility?
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#80 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
A combination of the government and the actual public service workers.
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#77 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
and whose fault is it that they let things get to this point?
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#78 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
The government, but now that we've reached that point it would be the fault of public service if they left the city to burn, especially without a backup plan.

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#73 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
sure let's train new volunteers in a month things that licensed professionals have learned in years and then let them loose around the city against armed and rioting civilians and without even paying them. because things will definitely not end up like the last time. or they could very well have and an endless supply of people they could train every month without ever paying anyone. that system will surely work just fine.
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#76 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
As opposed to the glorious system of letting everything go to shit with nobody to help at all while the public hates you and you're still not getting paid. Yeah, perfect.
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#67 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
because back up plans depend on the public servants themselves, and not the government employing them.
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#69 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
They actually depend on both, considering we're talking about the guys on the ground. If they would've gradually left, while training new volunteers, the public would've been better off than just letting the city fall into anarchy.
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#65 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
so the public is gonna hate my guts because i want to be able to provide for my family. got it
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#66 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, the public is gonna hate your guts for standing by while they burn with no way to save them and no backup plan to help them.
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#61 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
how am i letting thousands suffer by me striking? couldn't they just hire other people to do the job i'm striking for? oh wait no, because no one is gonna want to work for free
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#64 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
They could find replacements who could work for free, people do it, I did it, they could even train volunteers if they had enough time and then gradually you could move on.

However, just saying FUCK IT and going on strike leaves you with no replacement, the public in chaos, the city burning, all the while you're still not getting paid but now the public will hate your guts.
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#58 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
yes, because how dare i demand pay for a public service i provide for which i had to undertake years of my life to get an education in the matter
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#60 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
You can demand pay, you can quit and try to find work for another department, but letting thousands of people suffer over a pay dispute is immoral and the public will hate you for it, at which point you'll definitely never get paid.
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#56 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
loss of pay which would eventually result in my family starving, yes
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#57 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
If you choose to stay in that position and strike instead of gradually leaving so that the public isn't fucked, you are immoral.
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#53 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
ok i'm wrong in saying my family is more important than strangers.
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#55 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
You're wrong in saying that you'd be willing to let hundreds die because of loss of pay, yes.
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#46 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
i believe i already stated my stance in this entire thread. if i say yes you're gonna say i'm a moron like you did with the user down below, imposing your own stance over mine all over again, circling around the same argument over and over again as i already stated a couple of replies ago
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#51 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
So what if I call you a moron, you called me a moron and I still defended my stance. You can't defend your reasoning because, as I said, you know that you're wrong and don't want to admit it.
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#40 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
you believe strangers' lives are more important than your own family. there is no argument against that since your moral code has different priorities than most people
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#42 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
I believe that thousands of people suffering and dying are more important than my family getting paid by me, yes.

I have no shame in my position, you obviously have shame in yours. Unless you want to answer now.
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#38 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
because your loaded question is retarded and has no answer. ultimately it's all a matter that most people give a shit about their families more than about strangers, while you don't and regardless how much you bicker around this argument, we're just gonna go in circles around the same point
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#39 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
No, it's not a loaded question. People will burn to death and get raped if you had your way. Theres no other option. It does have an answer, and it's pretty obvious if you were intellectually honest.

If I wanted to dodge and biker around the argument I wouldn't have answered your actually loaded question with reservation. Thats because I actually believe I'm correct, you don't believe you're correct, you just want to be right.
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#36 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
your question and your stance on this matter is retarded. no one is gonna put other people's well being before their own families, except you. and it's only natural to care more about your own than people you don't know.
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#37 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
The question is more than fair. No firefighters means people and property will burn. No cops means rapists can rape and kill with impunity. These are not just possibilities, this will happen, especially in Brazil.

My stance is by far more logical than yours. Thousands of people in public service put public service before family everyday, it's part of the job. Many get divorced and end up losing custody while still never quitting.

But lets not get distracted. I answered your question as is, without any clarification.

You still cannot answer mine because you know you're wrong.
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#33 - Silver Quantum (06/28/2016) [-]
You're a moron. It's as simple as that. even if the city would burn to the ground, everyone is gonna think about the well being of their families, unlike you
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#34 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
I'm mature enough to realize that my immediate family not getting taken care of financially is less important than thousands of people possibly dying.

You are not. And you can't answer my question because you know your position is logically retarded.
#22 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Public service pay IS more important than people in burning buildings and rape victims.

Why? Self preservation. They have a right to protest their OWN families DIEING. Starving to DEATH before they worry about others. Every human has a right to take care of their own survival, as well as their familes, before others.
#25 - youregaylol (06/28/2016) [-]
>Public service pay IS more important than people in burning buildings and rape victims.

You're a moron. It's as simple as that. Even if their families were starving like african children, and I doubt they are at this point, thousands suffering is far, far worse.
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#13 - lolollo (06/28/2016) [-]
Right, so youre negatively judging them for expecting the city to pay them for their inherently necessary service. Youre trying to hide behind it with small asides of "the city should pay them", but if that were truly your perception on the matter, you wouldnt feel the need to question why it is they left their post. Youre trying to put the responsibility on them, as though theyre supposed to work for free, just to appease your incredibly misguided sense of morals. Its not immoral for them to leave their post because society has decided to give them the middle finger, its selfish of society to expect them to just deal with the crap they really shouldnt have to deal with; that no one should have to deal with.
#8 - anon (06/28/2016) [-]
Rio isn't a city, it's a giant cartel.
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