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|#170 - Sadly, some are. Personally I don't give two ***** …||11/18/2014 on golly||0|
|#169 - **** that. Work to improve yourself and earn what… [+] (27 new replies)||11/18/2014 on golly||0|
#174 - krasnogvardiech (11/18/2014) [-]
... I thought you were referring to the list of shit in the content. My bad.
Still, the list you linked isn't anything more than the results of a quick survey. They worked for what they have, let them enjoy it. Not that's to say they ought to be given bullshit privileges like not being fined or arrested for any infractions they commit (parking tickets, breath testing, et cetera) but hell, they've got money which they earned.
#175 - afghanautopilot (11/18/2014) [-]
well are we talking about specific examples or just society in general. Because if we're talking about society as a whole I would argue that gender as a social construct - not biological sex except for cases of manual labour - has huge effects not so much on your productivity but the expectations strangers have to you and how that pushes you to a behavioural pattern that separates you from the other gender. I don't have the statistics hera right now and it's 4 a.m. in Gothenburg but at least here women have for a really long time been alienated from the academic world and are just now starting to get their share. There are still fields dominated by males like economics and engineering which often give high paid jobs. the reason women don't go to those subjects isn't because it's illegal, it's because the second they escape their mothers vagina they are told that those subjects are for guys. Tinkering with dirty shit is for men. Little girls should be clean and wear pink. that's where I think the real problem lies.
#176 - krasnogvardiech (11/18/2014) [-]
You're correct, that is bullshit. However, the fields are only dominated by men because very few women decide to go into them. The choice to enter said fields is still completely down to the individual.
Again, gender and behaviour patterns and social constructs have no place in the workforce. You need to work and do your job, and if you do so well then you're doing it right. Go above and beyond and you may get a raise. Do poorly and you will be inquired upon.
It boils down to the choice of the individual. And whether or not one would say "Fuck it, I'm doing this" or not.
#178 - krasnogvardiech (11/18/2014) [-]
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be. I state naught but my own thoughts.
I chose to get into engineering because it's a damn well-paying field. It's dirty, messy, hands-on and I personally love it. Hence why I haven't quit. But the underlying reason for it is to establish a career which I can then get into aviation via the engineering side of things. Because it's all well and good if I can fly a plane, better yet if I can fix it. But pilots are basically glorified truck drivers in terms of pay unless you're with a big airline. Engineers, on the other hand, are practically rolling in dosh in exchange for having a shit job sometimes. There's a whole lot of things I can list as to why I'm in my field, but in the end I can't really pick one. I'm just drawn to it, like a moth to a candle flame.
#180 - krasnogvardiech (11/18/2014) [-]
If I knew, don't you think I'd have stated it?
I've been drawn to the skies and the air since I moved halfway across the world, that's all I can say. Paragliding and parachuting's too short, nobody builds zeppelins anymore. Hence, aviation via piloting. And it's economically unsound to do that, thus I acquire funds and a backup via engineering. Therefore, I do work.
#198 - krasnogvardiech (11/19/2014) [-]
Fuck you and your insinuations. If you're going to construct a zeppelin, which is supposed to be quite a damn bit more long-lasting than an aeroplane, then you need to do it properly. This means no untrained immigrants and no faulty equipment.
Do it once, do it properly.
#200 - krasnogvardiech (11/19/2014) [-]
I don't know and frankly don't care. While steel isn't at all that expensive (in fact, pure iron is actually more expensive than finished-process steel) it will be expensive indeed to hire the facilities and equipment necessary.
Besides, zeppelins are slow. They're called airships for a reason. A modern cargo-hauler jet could get half the load there three times as fast and twice as cheaply, and that's a thing most trade/courier companies would prefer.
#201 - silverzepher (11/19/2014) [-]
that is why you make it a report in the sky, a get away from all if your problems in land, don't market it as a way Tu mine his, the problem is the building if the duo's, plus ask if the goods to run it. and the air rights you would have to negotiate writing countries
#181 - afghanautopilot (11/18/2014) [-]
My point is that certain people, situations and societal norms have probably affected your interests and passions in some way and some of those norms and situations are different depending on your gender. While growing up we constantly hear that some things are for girls and some are for guys. It can be as simple as colours or favourite foods. Those experiences are a part of what makes you to be you and we're making a mistake if we think that our previous experiences doesn't affect our decisions. We are not rational beings to that extent. Great book on the subject of subconcious thinking is Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow" or just read about some cognitive biases like the Fundamental Attribution Error or the Hindsight Bias. That's shit is awesome. A lot of the time we think we make rational decisions but what we're really doing is rationalizing an instinctive decision as we're making it. I would also like to recommend Dan Ariely's Predictably Irrational. Just skip the self help part of it. Do you see what I'm trying to say?
#182 - krasnogvardiech (11/18/2014) [-]
Yes, and it's because of that that I disagree.
We're all born blank slates, and we grow to be whatever. Back to my point, though, that circumstances do not and by all rights should not interfere with one's place within the workforce. Only effort and merit, supported by knowledge and wisdom, ought to decide those.
#183 - afghanautopilot (11/18/2014) [-]
But what you think should count and what acutally does happens to be opposites. Priming is well described in the psychological litterature and does not only apply to jobs and salaries but everyday- and lifedefining decisions across the board. You are sort of right to say that we are born as blank slates (there are studies which seems to show evidence of quite extensive prenatal priming) but th very essence of what I argue is that we in fact do not grow up to be "whatever" we do very much grow up to be what is expected of us by others which we in turn rationalize internally. That is of course a good thing because people are horrible and if we didn't take other peoples opinions into account civilazation would probably crash and burn, but the medal has it's backside - as we say in Sweden and Norway - and that backside is manifested through various social inequalities like the fact that it's not until recently that it has become acceptable for men to talk about their mental wellbeing or the fact that women are defined professionaly first by their gender and second by their abilities. you almost never hear someone say "Wow, you're good at math for a guy" because we expect guys to be good at math. If your bad at it you're just bad at math. No one will say "Oh well, boys shouldn't get involved in that anyway". Important fields have long been reserved for men, not through law but societal norms and we have to accept that and actively work to change that.
#185 - afghanautopilot (11/18/2014) [-]
But they evidently do not. Employers are also human beings and highly fallible. They may very well think that they don't give a flying fuck, but that's just not the case. As I have described we all give an army of flying fucks subconciously and then trick ourselves into believing that we've made a rational decision. This is why recruiters should ask job applicants to put their names last or on a separate sheet so that their name wouldn't affect their decision. Because trust me it does. And thats not just employers. I think it was Freakonomics Radio who did an episode on some sort of racist database ads.
#187 - afghanautopilot (11/18/2014) [-]
As far as I can tell you have yet to bring forward evidence that supports your stand on this except for our rational thinking and a very strict application of homo economicus, which I feel I have demonstrated - at least to some extent - that we cannot trust. I would very much like to continue the discussion - which have been remarkably civilized considering it's on the internet - so feel free to PM me or just reply here in the future. Sweet dreams!
#202 - krasnogvardiech (11/19/2014) [-]
I'm back. And while I am tired as balls and do still need to get up at 6 in the morning, I'll very carefully and easily break it down. And before you get on my ass about details, keep in mind that I am a broke-ass college grad working at a factory, I speak only my thoughts and my views, and while I could become infuriated, it would ultimately achieve nothing.
Your statement takes it for granted that X-gender people want to do work in Y area, based on Z social norms. What you overlook is that social norms aren't things formed quickly, or easily. The ones in place about within an individual in the modern Western-world society are the result of recurring choices throughout history, all originally started by a group of individuals. To put it simply, our ancestors began the trend, it was followed, and then we continue to do so and see the norm as acceptable because of familiarity and settledness. It is the norm because it's effective - it works. So we keep doing it.
But the recursive point, and the reason your stance is incorrect is that ultimately it is entirely the choice of the individual whether or not to take work in X subject. Speaking from an engineering perspective (and taking heed of the lack of engineers in the modern world, respective to the progress, development and the growth of our population) that if we could do anything to double the number of engineers then that would be fantastic. More hands on deck means more work can be done, and work done properly doesn't care what gender you are. One may equate this to agriculture, social work... basically all kinds of work, done anywhere.
The ultimate choice is one's individual right - the peoples' freedom of choice being a caveat of any democratic nation. If you are to give people of any sort free handouts, then you are creating a privileged higher class which automatically are allowed more freedom to operate economically based only on their being of that higher class.
#203 - krasnogvardiech (11/19/2014) [-]
From the creation of any privileged class the impact on the 'lesser' classes is that they're outed from opportunities to acquire work - in the worst case scenario, all the money might go towards paying off rent, and when they show up to an interview the boss will look down on the individual and would rather pick the one who had some money to spare.
The effect of this, of free handouts to X group within society, is that they're allowed higher status and given an in to any industry they so choose. And then the screening process loses a step - less productive individuals make it within any given industry. If you shorten or skew the base from which the industry intakes workers, then you change the industry; if the individual is less productive, the industry suffers.
From this, based on simple rationality and observation of cause and effect, the conclusion is as follows, from my perspective.
If members of X class are given special privilege, while being less productive than the whole, then if said privilege allows special ins to the industry, said industry will suffer; members of X class have the preference of intake.
Following this reason - and true productivity-based recruitment - you can indeed have a perfectly even distribution of race, religion, gender, et cetera within the workforce. I think you underestimate just how many people are out there. Note that I say 'can' because while it's possible, for the most part it's not exactly reachable. It may take a long, long time, but such a thing is possible. Just not practical - in such a time, you may have found many individuals more competent than employee A, but you decide to hire another based simply on his skin color. That is not reasonable. That is not efficient. That is not productivity-oriented thinking, the type of thinking that you need.
#204 - krasnogvardiech (11/19/2014) [-]
To sum it all up.
There should be no special privileges.
If you give special privilege to any group within the workforce, it skews the spread of the recruitment and thus lowers productivity.
Solution: Recruit based solely off individual productive endeavour. Many forget that a machine is made up of many, many parts.
Circumstantial factors are irrelevant when recruiting individuals.
To say otherwise is discrimination, by the very definition of the term.
Solution: Recruit based solely off individual productive-mindedness. If such a system had X group as the majority of their employees, then it just shows that X group are the harder workers, excluding individuals.
External influences have no place in the workforce.
Those that are directly dealing and are directly involved in the matter should be the ones addressing a problem. This is due to a better knowledge of the assets available at any given point to deal with any given issue.
Solution: Keep the operation (industry) free of political influence or outside pressure.
Now please, afghanautopilot, leave me the hell alone. I need to sleep, get up, and think about work and solely work, and resolving this issue is not going to help me in that.
#206 - afghanautopilot (11/19/2014) [-]
Hi again, I have a few questions for you if you find the time for further discussion.
For your second paragraph: Does tradition makes those norms fair? After all, isn’t fairness what we’re discussing?
In your third paragraph, what makes you think that anything you ever do is entirely your choice? Are we not to some extent products of the society we live in? Think about people’s favourite food for example. That is one thing which varies tremendously from culture to culture.
In your fourth paragraph, are you suggesting that we by giving unemployed people money are making them a privileged higher class? Would you say that inherited capital is an unfair handout?
What makes you think that employers recruitment is solely productivity based?
I agree with your idea that circumstantial factors should be irrelevant in recruiting I just don’t think that that’s the case today. Here in Sweden for example it’s especially difficult for immigrants from the Middle East to find a job because they are continuously judged by their name and looks before their skills are even taken into account. I couldn’t find a sciencepaper on it but there have been multiple tests where they have sent out the same job applications with different names to a series of companys and consistently the traditional Swedish named applicants are favoured.
Regarding your last paragraph I also would very much like for politics to not be a part of the economy at all, but I’m afraid that’s not the case and to not see that is a dangerous mistake if you ask me.
I hope you find time to answer
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#72 - cantfindausername (11/16/2014) [-]
I'm not siding with the feminists, but a lot of those bricks and wires were put there by men because women weren't really allowed to work there. For present day, I'm sure there are a few women in those departments - not a lot, but some.
No one should be shitting on anyone, like what that OP said. One side shouldn't be taking down the other because they did something. That'll just dig a deeper hole. We should all be trying to earn respect by being respectful to everyone. There are grey areas, but I won't get into that right now.
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#15 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
well to review your points
> marines have their own kit
> marines can move faster than most people can change their aim to shoot them
> marines are still unique just part of companies like militaries do
> marines use others as canon fodder while they charge
> marines have better guns
> valhallan - space wolves...still iceworlders
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